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Broken menus, wonky mouse controls, single figure framerates
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I like some of his points but really don't care about most of them.

I mean, yes, GfWL is not that great, but otherwise? He picks the worst examples he can find but doesn't even mention that they're not that common.

And mentioning high res textures without mentioning dx11 support is just sad.

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I agree with the list too. It's a damn shame when developers don't even bother with the basics. One thing to add to that list is DX11 support. A lot of PC gamers have DX11-compatible video cards. Why not take advantage of it? Or at least anything beyond DX9 (e.g. DX10/10.1).
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Deranged is a bit obsessed with DX11.

Adding DX11 features to a game is a major undertaking. This post was about getting the basics right and making ports decent. You don't need to add DX11 to make a port decent.
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I agree with him in places, there needs to be a balance, let PC versions have optional extras that can be enabled if your PC can handle them. What annoys me with certain people who bitch about games is the Elitist PC Gamer who has an insane Rig that can run anything bitches that games dont stress his PC. They want games to be so advanced without realizing that it'd cost an insane amount to develop that game and it'd only run on maybe 10% of PCs.

The first Crysis made such a horrible loss they had no choice but to develop the 2nd one for consoles too.

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[quote name='Wakers' timestamp='1359901077' post='595498474']
Deranged is a bit obsessed with DX11.

Adding DX11 features to a game is a major undertaking. This post was about getting the basics right and making ports decent. You don't need to add DX11 to make a port decent.
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And yet very little of that screamed 'THIS IS A HUGE DEAL THAT DESERVES OUTRAGE' to me. It screamed more 'we're a bunch of whiners.'

If you're not going to use PC tech that's been available for four years OR the stuff that's been available for seven, why bother making a game for the PC in the first place? Keep it on the consoles.

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What sort of attitude is that?

If you went with that idea there would be no games released on PC. Even PC exclusive games don't utilise every single feature available.
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The good sort, obviously.

I'm not sure where you're going with that. Am I personally on a crusade to make every developer stop making PC games? No. I'd just prefer them to focus on quality over useless crap like these articles would suggest is a huge deal.

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The developers care. They're human, they want to be proud of a project they've released on whatever platform it may be.
But the money's just not there for the executives, and you cannot blame them. Consoles, aside from being high on sales, are also secure sales. That means reduced piracy,

Ask yourself as an executive, [i]not as a gamer[/i], why would you put effort into implementing your own matchmaking services and servers, custom options and aspect ratios, new textures and maps, new content maybe, testing out new button mappings and hundreds of different hardware configurations, finding new publishers. Most likely, you're just releasing a PC version because you used a PC to develop the game and you have a beta lying around somewhere.
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[quote name='billyea' timestamp='1359904323' post='595498582']
The developers care. They're human, they want to be proud of a project they've released on whatever platform it may be.
But the money's just not there for the executives, and you cannot blame them. Consoles, aside from being high on sales, are also secure sales. That means reduced piracy,

Ask yourself as an executive, [i]not as a gamer[/i], why would you put effort into implementing your own matchmaking services and servers, custom options and aspect ratios, new textures and maps, new content maybe, testing out new button mappings and hundreds of different hardware configurations, finding new publishers. Most likely, you're just releasing a PC version because you used a PC to develop the game and you have a beta lying around somewhere.
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this is the problem, its a shame but its the truth.
Money is just not in it for developers on PC. NONE of my friends play on PC, yet every single one of them has atleast one console and loads of games. Thats the exact reason I bought a console too, was to play with friends. (i sold it eventually but that's off topic)
I'd love it if PC games utilised the hardware and capabilities but until the consoles bump it up, that wont happen. Hopefully when the next gen consoles come out then the PC games and ports will improve too.

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[quote name='billyea' timestamp='1359904323' post='595498582']
Ask yourself as an executive[/quote]
As soon as I become an executive I'll do that.

Instead I'll ask myself as a gamer what games I feel like spending money on and do that. Halfassed PC games do not qualify.

I'll note that every major publisher except Zenimax and Sony does have DX11 games out there, so the transition is well underway and I have few complaints left.

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[quote name='Deranged' timestamp='1359904882' post='595498596']
As soon as I become an executive I'll do that.

Instead I'll ask myself as a gamer what games I feel like spending money on and do that. Halfassed PC games do not qualify.

I'll note that every major publisher except Zenimax and Sony do have DX11 games out there, so the transition is well underway and I have few complaints left.
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I just enjoy the game instead of clawing at my face and screaming at the ceiling "OHHH IF ONLY THIS TREE HAD ADVANCED DX11 TESSELLATION!"
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[quote name='Deranged' timestamp='1359904176' post='595498572']
The good sort, obviously.

I'm not sure where you're going with that. Am I personally on a crusade to make every developer stop making PC games? No. I'd just prefer them to focus on quality over useless crap like these articles would suggest is a huge deal.
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No but you do trash every game that doesn't use certain DX11 features, regardless of how well they perform and / or look.

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[quote name='McKay' timestamp='1359905122' post='595498604']
I just enjoy the game instead of clawing at my face and screaming at the ceiling "OHHH IF ONLY THIS TREE HAD ADVANCED DX11 TESSELLATION!"
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Cool. I just don't play it unless someone buys it for me.
[quote name='Wakers' timestamp='1359905247' post='595498610']
No but you do trash every game that doesn't use certain DX11 features, regardless of how well they perform and / or look.
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Which features would that be? I've never demanded everything use tessellation.

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I've seen you in the GW2 thread whining about the lack of DX11 for sure. Several other threads although I can't remember specifically what games.

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[quote name='Wakers' timestamp='1359905582' post='595498620']
I've seen you in the GW2 thread whining about the lack of DX11 for sure. Several other threads although I can't remember specifically what games.
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No, you've seen me in the GW2 thread stating that I wouldn't buy the game until they added it, which I'm told they're working on.

And the other would be Dishonored. I might've mentioned Borderlands 2 but I didn't care about the game that much anyway. (Both of which I got for Christmas since they were half off.)

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Which is kind of my point.

Your experience in GW2 won't be dramatically altered in any way, shape or form if they add DX11 features. I think that would apply to the other games as well. Of all the things that those 3 games need to be improved, DX11 is right at the bottom of the list.

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[quote name='Guth' timestamp='1359904545' post='595498586']Money is just not in it for developers on PC. NONE of my friends play on PC, yet every single one of them has atleast one console and loads of games. Thats the exact reason I bought a console too, was to play with friends.[/quote]

Anecdotal evidence is anecdotal. Most of the people I know game on PC; a couple of girls I know have a Wii but that's about it. The point is there's enough money in PC gaming for decent ports, as evidenced by the number of decent ports we do get. Games with bad ports tends to attract a huge amount of very negative criticism, like GTA4. Those with proper ports tends to receive a huge amount of positive recognition, like Dishonored, Borderlands 2 and Far Cry 3. Bad PC ports increase the hostility directed at a game and can negatively influence sales on console.

The amount of effort put into a port shows how much developers and publishers care about their audience. I'm not interested in supporting publishers that don't respect the PC as a platform.
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Exactly, DirectX 11 didn't suddenly make AvP3 a good game, nor did it make Crysis 2 any better. There were just extremely subtle differences. You seem to be artificially limiting yourself from a tonne of games over a trifling matter.

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Also, bad PC ports lead to increase in piracy, as does the use of aggressive DRM.
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[quote name='Wakers' timestamp='1359906107' post='595498630']
Which is kind of my point.

Your experience in GW2 won't be dramatically altered in any way, shape or form if they add DX11 features. I think that would apply to the other games as well. Of all the things that those 3 games need to be improved, DX11 is right at the bottom of the list.
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So buy them. I disagree, so I didn't buy them. And the world continues to turn.

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[quote name='McKay' timestamp='1359906319' post='595498640']
Exactly, DirectX 11 didn't suddenly make AvP3 a good game, nor did it make Crysis 2 any better. There were just extremely subtle differences. You seem to be artificially limiting yourself from a tonne of games over a trifling matter.
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In a lot of games, using DX11 comes down to personal preference - some games look absolutely garbage with DX11, far too much bloom and lighting effects are applied.

[quote name='Deranged' timestamp='1359906374' post='595498644']
So buy them. I disagree, so I didn't buy them. And the world continues to turn.
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So if a game came out that was like the second coming of your favourite game ever, it was really well received by critics and players a like, it had unique innovations and amazing gameplay with a great story - but no DX11, would you still not buy it?

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[quote name='McKay' timestamp='1359901637' post='595498484']The first Crysis made such a horrible loss they had no choice but to develop the 2nd one for consoles too.[/quote]

That's because the game was hugely delayed, wasn't very good and was horribly optimised. Even four years later I get framerate drops with a Core i7 @ 4.6GHz and GTX680 SLI setup, which is just ridiculous.

[quote name='McKay' timestamp='1359906319' post='595498640']DirectX 11 didn't suddenly make AvP3 a good game, nor did it make Crysis 2 any better. There were just extremely subtle differences. You seem to be artificially limiting yourself from a tonne of games over a trifling matter.[/quote]

Graphical improvements can't make up for a bad game but they can improve a good game. The DX11 features in Crysis 2 were certainly worthwhile, the tessellation especially. The point is more that the lack of such features indicates a poor port, which can mean other issues (like poor performance, bugs, etc). There really is no excuse not to include DX11 features nowadays - the lack of DX11 support certainly isn't a deal breaker (The Witcher 2 and Borderlands 2 were awesome) but it does make it less likely I'll buy a game and can diminish the experience.

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[quote name='theyarecomingforyou' timestamp='1359906841' post='595498654']
That's because the game was hugely delayed, wasn't very good and was horribly optimised. Even four years later I get framerate drops with a Core i7 @ 4.6GHz and GTX680 SLI setup, which is just ridiculous.
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Im sure the fact that it could only run on a paltry number of systems was a major factor, why plough all that cash into a game so that it can only run on a tiny number of PCs? Not every PC gamer has a liquid-cooled Extreme-overclocked i7 with SSDs and Crossfire Video cards.

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Menu fluidness and lack of allowing use of full mouse rather than having to switch to keyboard to press enter or F or whatever is a big no-no for me. And plentiful of options is necessary too.

Keybinds also. Needs to support binding 2 things per entry. Needs to allow me to bind any and all keys including mouse buttons. (Looking at dead space 1 here, yes lets allow you to rebind keys but god forbid I want to put attack on keyboard and movement on mouse, which I only play this way) If you really want to know my fps game setup I can really post it but its way different from the norm as I cannot stand playing using WASD and mouse for attack.

GFWL can suck it.

I generally play games in dx9 mode anyway so the textures aren't really an issue.

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