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Oh dear, of the three I thought Sony would be the first to implement something like this, if Sony doesn't have it then its game over before the battle has even begun. How can you justify having everything behind a Gold subscription paywall as well as not allowing second hand games.

If Sony does implement something like this then I've just saved myself
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always online? wtf
so what happens if you dont have internet? you cant play anything? not even offline?
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If you have no internet you have a

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[quote name='Guth' timestamp='1360157259' post='595504842']
always online? wtf
so what happens if you dont have internet? you cant play anything? not even offline?
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I would suspect you need online to register each game, then afterwards that game can be played offline on that console only. It would be absolute suicide to not have some sort of offline mode in todays world.

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i simply cannot believe that MS (and possibly Sony) are going to kill the 2nd-hand market
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Still sucks though, I used to like trading in games I never played anymore for a new one.
I guess if you can afford a console you can afford internet but its not the point some people cant get broadband which this would probably need.

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[quote name='Jdawg683' timestamp='1360157406' post='595504850']
i simply cannot believe that MS (and possibly Sony) are going to kill the 2nd-hand market
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It's all about greed, they feel they should have a share of the second hand market, the only way to do this is to introduce game passes like online passes are this generation.

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While I'm sort of miffed at the "always online" thing, I would say that a large majority (I'd guess somewhere in the 90%+ range) have internet. So that won't be a problem.

However, I do have a HUGE issue with no second-hand games. That literally just squashed any thought I had of buying the next console.
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Doesn't surprise me, they've been looking to kill the second hand market for a long time but I actually think it will back fire and just increase piracy. I am sure they are both hoping their new systems are as resistant to hacking as the ps3 was for so long but I somehow doubt it.
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[color=#000000][font=verdana, geneva, lucida,]"Microsoft

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**********ers! buying second hand games is something essencial... when ur friend get that game no one has and borrows you, its amazing (was)... this is really stupid.. seems like they dont have a lot of money already and need to rip us off even more. scumbags.

for the always online, its also stupid... even just for register the game (you should be able to skip registration and register when you feel like)

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I am ok with the no 2nd hand game thing. I don't buy used games for a few reasons. I used to work for gamestop so I know how the trade in scam works and how some customer trade ins can be extremely disgusting to take in due to roaches and other grime. Also if there is a game I want buying it first hand means the developer gets the money.

What I do see happening with this is game prices will have to drop and the quality of games will have to go up. We will have very little shovel ware in the future.

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[quote name='SSSikora' timestamp='1360158140' post='595504876']
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I've never brought a second hand game or sold one, so it won't affect me personally, but I can understand why some may be annoyed.
The internet thing is annoying, quite often I can't play PC games which have the always connected DRM thing, so if the new consoles are like that it will be a shame as well.

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[quote name='SSSikora' timestamp='1360158140' post='595504876']
[color=#000000][font=verdana, geneva, lucida,]"Microsoft

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[quote name='Audioboxer' timestamp='1360158343' post='595504892']
It says later
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I saw that and it didn't sound to certain to me...

Oh well as others have said I don't buy or sell used games so this doesn't affect me much. I too understand how others would be upset though.

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I really hope the requirement of an Internet connection (and the activation code) only applies to multiplayer games. The more I learn about the next-gen Xbox, the less excited I am.
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No second hand market?

I STRONGLY doubt it.

I would be strongly surprised if they did such a thing. People would jump ship in a heartbeat, and/or they would find a way to hack the Xbox in order to play games. Microsoft would bend in the end.

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[quote name='MidTxWRX' timestamp='1360160288' post='595504984']
No second hand market?

I STRONGLY doubt it.

I would be strongly surprised if they did such a thing. People would jump ship in a heartbeat, and/or they would find a way to hack the Xbox in order to play games. Microsoft would bend in the end.
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I disagree with it too but I fear Microsoft will get away with it. And it might even encourage Sony to follow suit. Even with no second-hand game market, the next-gen Xbox will still be successful. The average console gamer will be happy to buy "the next best thing".

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There is a simple way for the 2nd hand market blow to be softened and Steam has showed it: Sales. BIG Sales. Every game I've bought on Steam is "1st hand" and I've never paid more than 15 EUR for one...if they go for the approach described in the article, there is no way that every game will still always cost between 40-60 bucks.

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[quote name='MidTxWRX' timestamp='1360160288' post='595504984']
No second hand market?

I STRONGLY doubt it.

I would be strongly surprised if they did such a thing. People would jump ship in a heartbeat, and/or they would find a way to hack the Xbox in order to play games. Microsoft would bend in the end.
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It's the way the industry is heading, they've sewn the seeds by testing online passes this generation, there wasn't too much opposition now they are going full on with game passes.

[quote name='lecter' timestamp='1360160917' post='595505018']
There is a simple way for the 2nd hand market blow to be softened and Steam has showed it: Sales. BIG Sales. Every game I've bought on Steam is "1st hand" and I've never paid more than 15 EUR for one...if they go for the approach described in the article, there is no way that every game will still always cost between 40-60 bucks.
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That will never happen, there's a reason why console games are more expensive, they have to pay Sony and Microsoft for the privilige of releasing the game on their consoles. That's why they are

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If they don't allow 2nd hand games they should cap the prices of games at

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[quote name='thealexweb' timestamp='1360161662' post='595505044']
If they don't allow 2nd hand games they should cap the prices of games at

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Sweet, can't wait.

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I don't own an Xbox, but if any console had to be always online it would be a deal breaker for me.

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