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How does app pinning make things harder to open? There's nothing flawed with the Start Screen - it works the same as the Start Menu in Windows' past. Pin your shortcut > Click to open. Done.

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Dot, you keep saying that, but it does not work the same way as the start menu. If it did, it would be much more organized instead of having every shortcut any program has ever installed displayed at once. The Start Menu is much more organized by putting things in sub folders.

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Dot, you keep saying that, but it does not work the same way as the start menu. If it did, it would be much more organized instead of having every shortcut any program has ever installed displayed at once. The Start Menu is much more organized by putting things in sub folders.

You say that like you can't organize the damn thing. Or did Windows 8 make you forget how to right click?

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Great article! I'm always on the NY Times but I had not come across that.

I've said it in another thread, but live tiles (i.e. WIDGETS) were a great concept but poorly executed.

Mac - regular desktop (with enhanced functionality/interactivity), seperate dashboard with widgets

iOS - just icons, no widgets

Windows - regular desktop, seperate environment with live tiles (but severely lacking in design and customization)

Windows Phone - live tiles with more customization

Android - icons and widgets

IMO, Android executes the best. Icons and widgets in the same environment, plus live wallpapers which make me happy. :)

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You say that like you can't organize the damn thing. Or did Windows 8 make you forget how to right click?

Right....providing proof that the start screen is not the same as the start menu means I do not know how to organize it?

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Right....providing proof that the start screen is not the same as the start menu means I do not know how to organize it?

How is it not the same? The Start Screen organizes apps the same way the Start Menu did. Apps you install gets a tile on the front page, and the rest get a section in the "All Apps" menu.

Now, if you go around installing all the junk, then yes, you have a messy screen, but you do that on Windows 7, you'll still have a messy Start Menu... Unless all of the sudden sub folders upon sub folders and sub sub sub folders is OK with you.

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Ummm....No, it is way more organized in Windows 7. There are sub folders, with some folders in there. And maybe some items are a third level deep. That is way more organized than having them all in your face all the time.

It is called being organized. Why the hell do doctors need to have each patient file in their own folder if all of the sudden, being organized is soooooooooo horrible?

So you are saying, it is better for me to have hundreds of papers for my financial, insurance, and personal accounts, bills and notifications just floating around? It is not better to put them in their own separate folders then take out just that folder if I need something from my health insurance?

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Ummm....No, it is way more organized in Windows 7. There are sub folders, with some folders in there. And maybe some items are a third level deep. That is way more organized than having them all in your face all the time.

It is called being organized. Why the hell do doctors need to have each patient file in their own folder if all of the sudden, being organized is soooooooooo horrible?

So you are saying, it is better for me to have hundreds of papers for my financial, insurance, and personal accounts, bills and notifications just floating around? It is not better to put them in their own separate folders then take out just that folder if I need something from my health insurance?

Hello, McFly, I'm talking the Start Screen. Apps. Not Explorer and files.

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Hello, McFly, I'm talking the Start Screen. Apps. Not Explorer and files.

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Me too. If I need to run a program maybe a few times a year at most (like the visual studio command prompt or some other tool provided by programs), why should it be shown every single time I go to all apps? With the start menu, it was much more organized where I can simply expand the Tools sub-folder when I need to.

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Me too. If I need to run a program maybe a few times a year at most (like the visual studio command prompt or some other tool provided by programs), why should it be shown every single time I go to all apps? With the start menu, it was much more organized where I can simply expand the Tools sub-folder when I need to.

That's what "All Apps" does. Hence "All" and "Apps".

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Me too. If I need to run a program maybe a few times a year at most (like the visual studio command prompt or some other tool provided by programs), why should it be shown every single time I go to all apps? With the start menu, it was much more organized where I can simply expand the Tools sub-folder when I need to.

which is an extra click, when what we were complaining about was too many clicks, so ... =\

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*Sigh

Please....

Windows Key + X will solve all of his problems. OR right click the LEFT CORNER.

Most of the flame comes from not knowing that shortcut.

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Right....providing proof that the start screen is not the same as the start menu means I do not know how to organize it?

You have to remember that Dot wrote a ****ty article on that, which got linked to the front page, so he is still under the delusion that it had merit and that its 'proven' that SS is better, IN ALL WAYS, to the SM.

The concept is flawed. Its never been about 'the Start Menu', but about the dual UI's ****ty integration with each other and the uselessness of 'browsing' the Start Screen/All Apps leading to more searches etc as noted.

Its simply black or white now. You either pin everything you possibly need, or you search for it (while dorking search for desktop users, ie no Spotlight). The other two access roads of the SM have been closed so you'd have to be delusional to think that its 'the same' as the old from an organizational perspective.

I think he was also referring to touch so a bit more difficult to Win+X. Hard to right click (click/hold) a hidden icon, no?

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so all of a sudden these tech gurus don't know anything. going to control panel takes the same amount of steps as if there were a start menu. right click bottom left and click control panel. really,if someone was really lost,theyd go to a search engine and type how to open control panel windows 8. one minute later,they know how it works and they'll remember it. or are most computer users so ****in dumb that they don't know how to use a search engine? do they know what a browser is and how to use it? maybe Microsoft should scrap office completely and just keep wordpad because office is too complicated. I mean wordpad lets you write stuff and its so simple.

ill tell you why they write this junk. they have no legitimate problems so they pick some feature or whatever and spin it and spin it to make negativity.

how the hell does he come to the conclusion that windows 8 sales are low? I know this guy to be one of apples biggest fanboys,maybe someone should tell him that windows 8 has surpassed any version of mac os in users in only 2 months.

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how the hell does he come to the conclusion that windows 8 sales are low? I know this guy to be one of apples biggest fanboys,maybe someone should tell him that windows 8 has surpassed any version of mac os in users in only 2 months.

Do you have a source for this? Everything I've read shows Mac between 9 or 10% and Windows 8 sitting at 4 or 5% in terms of usage. "Sales" doesn't mean anything if it isn't being used, wait, I take that back. If a products sells like crazy but then doesn't get used isn't that worse? I think I'd rather have everyone who buys my product use it, rather than buy it and discard it, sure my accountant won't care but I think I would.

I don't care either way, I used W8 on 3 machines and now they all have W7 back on them, the desktop went back since you can't change the font and everything else just seemed to follow. My four year old, had me put W7 back on "her" desktop yesterday, I know it's probably to make her desktop look like mine, but still, I had to laugh.

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Do you have a source for this? Everything I've read shows Mac between 9 or 10% and Windows 8 sitting at 4 or 5% in terms of usage. "Sales" doesn't mean anything if it isn't being used, wait, I take that back. If a products sells like crazy but then doesn't get used isn't that worse? I think I'd rather have everyone who buys my product use it, rather than buy it and discard it, sure my accountant won't care but I think I would.

I don't care either way, I used W8 on 3 machines and now they all have W7 back on them, the desktop went back since you can't change the font and everything else just seemed to follow. My four year old, had me put W7 back on "her" desktop yesterday, I know it's probably to make her desktop look like mine, but still, I had to laugh.

Windows 8 has surpassed OS X Mountain Lion in market share

http://www.neowin.ne...in-market-share

Windows 8 close behind Windows XP in latest Steam hardware survey

http://www.neowin.ne...hardware-survey

Windows 8 overtake Android web presence in less than 10 days

http://microsoft-new...s-than-10-days/

Go look at some stats on statcounter. ios,which people seem to think is pretty popular,accounts for %3.82 of all operating systems. Windows 8 in a few months in is already near that,and will pass it in about a month,if it hasn't already.

I don't know where some of these folks get off saying low sales.

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Nope, you're right the places I was using was listing ALL Mac as one, and all of them combined were accounting for that 9-10% range.

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Extremely bewildering how someone "deep, deep, into Windows 8" and considered a pioneering tech journalist ignores the most basic tenet of the Start screen - pinning and deep pinning. Every one of those examples he offers can be pinned and in doing so becomes much easier than the Start Menu, where you could never pin deep elements.

One thing I do agree with though is that at least on a large screen, there's no reason why it should separate Files, Settings and Apps. IINM, the DP had them combined. Ideally, I would like it to be a true unified search where it returns results from not only those three but also all apps.

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Can you clarify what you mean by deep pinning? If its simply about 'pin everything', then why didn't MS pin it by default, as they had in the past? Its clearly still used.

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Can you clarify what you mean by deep pinning? If its simply about 'pin everything', then why didn't MS pin it by default, as they had in the past? Its clearly still used.

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go to any folder or app on your filesystem and right click>"Pin to start"

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I guess I considered it pinning within the Metro app space, though that makes sense, Explorer is an app. I'm just not sure how that really challenges the OT's point. It was never that it couldn't be done, (as he did mention the X menu and pinning etc) but that in his opinion, it was, "not simple, obvious, or quick."

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I guess I considered it pinning within the Metro app space, though that makes sense, Explorer is an app. I'm just not sure how that really challenges the OT's point. It was never that it couldn't be done, (as he did mention the X menu and pinning etc) but that in his opinion, it was, "not simple, obvious, or quick."

I suppose it wasn't on XP / 7 either then. When you install a program in Windows 8, anything that would have been installed to the Start Menu gets pinned to the start screen.

Was voice-to-text ever easy to find? It sounds like the only real complaint here is if you're searching for something and you don't know if it's an application or a file or a setting, which seems to be a larger user issue, and one that is prevalent on all of the major OSs.

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Browsing is worse and is compounded by a search that is less efficient was his main thrust. I'll wager he would say that was more discoverable in XP/7 (and hence simpler, obvious, and quick by default) since it was a visible target (or in the case of search, visually unified results) where now it is not.

It really is as simple as that.

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