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[alwaysonacoffebreak]

Firstly let me start off, the following will be purely my opinion. It's well known some people will not like those and have different opinions to mine which I'm glad to listen to and have a civil discussion, if you can't manage to keep it civil keep it to yourself please.

I'll start off with myself. I know I engage on some pointless "fights" on this site sometimes even though it's not worth my time nor all the braincells that die in the crossfire but somehow "arguing" with people seems to be built into me and sometimes I just can't walk away, I'll try to improve myself on this.
I also am an fanboy, AMD's mostly but to the limit that I acknowledge to myself that Intel products are better in some things and AMD products to have their own good sides, I couldn't tell about Nvidia vs AMD since I don't follow that topic too closely and try to keep myself away from those discussions.
I really don't care for all the MS/Google/Apple fights going on lately but I do care when people spread obvious fud with nothing to back their claims up and that's when I usually get involved and say something. Recently the fines that companies keep getting from EU/US etc. I'm fine with those as well since there are laws what regulate or when a company itself decides not to follow what they promised to do (MS Ballot screen?) but insane fines like 700m for that, nah I really am not fine with that since for me it seems like bs. Now enough of me.

The site in general - I love it. Since I'm in direct contact with IPB myself everyday maybe that makes it easier for me to navigate and do things but I think overall you guys have done a hell of a good job, I'm actually jealous
Moderators are doing a great job keeping things under control, sure sometimes it lacks speed in doing things but it can never be 100% as we would want/wish/imagine. I have nothing to complain about and could keep on praising right?

Now to the writers. More and more I see people complaining on John's pieces, let it go already, the headlines (Slam is the most "hated" word lately for some reasons) must be attractive for new people on this site and "search engine friendly" - by that I mean he does a good job predicting what regular people could search on google. I actually like his pieces, they are easy to read and have no grudge with the headlines.

Brad and Tim - God damn guys. Your reviews are actually one of the best I've seen when it comes to details and the layout, +1 for sure. While I'm not really interested on the unboxing videos myself I guess there are people out there who enjoy those things. If these keep coming I'm sure to come back for a long time

Max-Slater - Well..I don't know how to say this so it won't come out wrong and sure as hell don't take this as an offense, I'm not trying to offend no one. There was a long discussion about Nokia vs Apple piece you wrote here (I think it was about the "faults reported" or something similar) but for me it seemed like you were a bit biased towards one than the other. That's just my opinion, maybe it was me who was biased? Who knows..

Other writers - Good job I really can't follow all the "big names" around here but haven't really seen anything wrong with articles, maybe a typo here and there but those will be fixed asap anyway.

Members.. Oh this will be a big topic to cover. They are "from wall to wall". Some just seem to be here to bash everything related MS the other to bash everything Google and then there's Apple who's hated by both of them and loved by others. Kinda weird. Like one person said on a yesterdays piece "Buy what you want and fits you and shut up about it" - this couldn't have been said any better. If you really have something smart to add or discuss about why another product is better sure, but at the moment it seems like it's just "Meh my Android is better than WP just because MOAAAR COOORES!" Really? Give it a rest already, who cares? If you like it just because of the cores I think you're not fit to have those discussions. To be frank, I can't afford to switch phones every year so I usually pick one that I like the best at that moment and what suits the best for my needs, that's how I got stuck with an L800 and actually I'm fine with it but it could be better, also my workplace gave me an GS2 which also could be better here and there but if you got suggestions what could be made better should that be directed to the company making the phone/os not on a public forum where they might not see those "suggestions" in the first place?
All I'm trying to say with this is I wish there was more civilized discussion instead of this fanboy wars from both sides but that won't happen any time soon, I know it's a endless circle.
Then the trolls - meh, give up already and take your childish "jokes" somewhere where they belong, like kindergarten or something. "Trolling" is not an art as you might think, it's stupid. Once again this is my opinion.

This is one of those TL;DR threads but oh well

If somethings comes to mind and this doesn't get deleted I'll add things later on But since then I hope we can all get along and have a normal discussion for once

[DKAngel]

tl;dr lol

[tiagosilva29]

Haters gonna hate.

[+sanke1]

Wow that was a bit random but loved reading through your observations which are mostly correct.

[alwaysonacoffebreak]

It mostly is random. I had this idea for a week now but didn't really have the time nor didn't know how to put it all

[SMELTN]

was worried when I seen the topic, but very good post.

[DirtyLarry]

SMELTN, on 23 March 2013 - 12:52, said:

was worried when I seen the topic, but very good post.

Its your turn in SSG2!!

And I like to think the news writing team started becoming what it now is today back in the days I was on the news team and wrote my hard hitting exposes about the seedy underworld of console gaming.

In all seriousness though, I do not think people really appreciate how hard the news writers do work, and how for many of the writers, Neowin is one of the first online outlets to give them a chance to do their writing. A lot of time is put in as a news writer, it is why I only lasted a few months myself when I gave it a shot, so I have nothing but respect for anyone who puts themselves out there like they do. Especially online where hate is much more prevalent then praise.

In regards to the members and the fanboys and the lack of civil discussion, being here for almost 10 years now, I realize that is just the nature of an online community. Again, I feel it is much easier, and much more appealing for whatever reason, for people to express themselves in a negative way rather than a positive one. And although the site seems to go through some phases were the members seem to be more hostile towards each other then at other times, for the most part the members have been the members and have been the same the entire 10 years I have been here. Only thing that has really changed is my own taste, and my own way of treating people, so I think as one gets older, you have less of a tolerance for petty comments and trolls, but they have always existed. Always will. It is how things are.

[alwaysonacoffebreak]

Nice post DirtyLarry

You're right on the trolls part, they will always exist but I guess I'm in the time period where they irritate the most, not all of them and not always but sometimes the stuff that comes out from their mouth is just..I rather not say

Also on the writers part, I guess John has grown a thick skin to himself since he never seems to be bothered by people "calling him out" that's one admirable skill.

[theyarecomingforyou]

alwaysonacoffebreak, on 23 March 2013 - 11:07, said:

Firstly let me start off, the following will be purely my opinion. It's well known some people will not like those and have different opinions to mine which I'm glad to listen to and have a civil discussion, if you can't manage to keep it civil keep it to yourself please.

Telling people who can't "keep it civil" not to post here is asking for trouble - it's confrontational and isn't going to elicit the sort of response you're after. You'd do better to not to mention it at all and simply report any posts that break the community rules to the moderators.

alwaysonacoffebreak, on 23 March 2013 - 11:07, said:

Recently the fines that companies keep getting from EU/US etc. I'm fine with those as well since there are laws what regulate or when a company itself decides not to follow what they promised to do (MS Ballot screen?) but insane fines like 700m for that, nah I really am not fine with that since for me it seems like bs.

Calling the fines "insane" and "bs" isn't conducive to a mature discussion, as it's again confrontational and is dismissive of other people's opinions. There is merit to both sides of the issue. Of course people will be divided on such a subject but you dismissing the other side out-of-hand is not helpful.

alwaysonacoffebreak, on 23 March 2013 - 11:07, said:

Now to the writers. More and more I see people complaining on John's pieces, let it go already, the headlines (Slam is the most "hated" word lately for some reasons) must be attractive for new people on this site and "search engine friendly" - by that I mean he does a good job predicting what regular people could search on google. I actually like his pieces, they are easy to read and have no grudge with the headlines.

Creating sensationalist headlines in order to generate advertising revenue might make for a financially successful website but it reflects poorly on journalistic integrity, something many people consider important. Some titles have been incredibly misleading and some writers have very noticeable biases. That doesn't mean they're not interesting or informative articles but if people dislike something then they should be free to express that, just as you're free to disagree with them.

alwaysonacoffebreak, on 23 March 2013 - 11:07, said:

Like one person said on a yesterdays piece "Buy what you want and fits you and shut up about it" - this couldn't have been said any better.

Technology enthusiasts tend to get excited about technology and they like to express that and discuss it on tech oriented sites like Neowin. You can't expect people who care passionately about something to simply keep it to themselves. In fact advertisers rely on people passionate about their products to build brands, to get people excited about upcoming launches and to tell their friends and family. To expect people on a tech site not to talk about what they like and dislike about tech / tech companies is rather... bizarre. However, that's not to say that there aren't some users who take things too far - even the best of us take things too far on occasion.

Anyway, you made some interesting points. I don't agree with most of them but I still respect that you took the time to express them.

[+McKay]

Tl;Dr

He thinks I'm awesome.

[alwaysonacoffebreak]

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as it's again confrontational and is dismissive of other people's opinions

That's exactly why I stated in the first post that this topic is purely my opinion and I'm not forcing it onto no one. Also the part that you quoted was an example from a very big picture. I'm always up for discussion about these things in topics where they belong

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Telling people who can't "keep it civil" not to post here is asking for trouble

I personally don't think it's asking for trouble. This part of a sentence "keep it civil" shouldn't even be said in the first place but since lately some topics are getting way out of hand I just mentioned it.

About creating headlines, I think we have different opinions on that mostly. If I understand correctly it is about ad revenue (like you said) and as far as I know writers are somehow "Paid" on that revenue alone. No revenue, no writers, no site/forum. Don't really think that's better than a few sensationalist headlines.

But I appreciate your feedback

Yeah, McKay, you're awesome

[+remixedcat]

I just think people are too hostile to the lovers but they are more accepting of haters.

Just like how it's more acceptable in society to blow people's brains out with an SMG but if you show a tit it's the worst thing ever.

[+McKay]

remixedcat, on 23 March 2013 - 13:26, said:

I just think people are too hostile to the lovers but they are more accepting of haters.

Just like how it's more acceptable in society to blow people's brains out with an SMG but if you show a tit it's the worst thing ever.

If women want to show their boobs, personally I'm going to be very supporting of that.

[alwaysonacoffebreak]

theyarecomingforyou, on 23 March 2013 - 13:17, said:

Technology enthusiasts tend to get excited about technology and they like to express that and discuss it on tech oriented sites like Neowin. You can't expect people who care passionately about something to simply keep it to themselves. In fact advertisers rely on people passionate about their products to build brands, to get people excited about upcoming launches and to tell their friends and family. To expect people on a tech site not to talk about what they like and dislike about tech / tech companies is rather... bizarre. However, that's not to say that there aren't some users who take things too far - even the best of us take things too far on occasion.

Anyway, you made some interesting points. I don't agree with most of them but I still respect that you took the time to express them.

Also about this part, I never said (or at least didn't mean to say) that people shouldn't express what they like/dislike about a company but I think it should stick to rational boundaries still. Lately it's become more like "I love this company so all others must be **** " which I really don't think is rational. Or maybe I'm just falling into topics like those.

[theyarecomingforyou]

alwaysonacoffebreak, on 23 March 2013 - 13:24, said:

I personally don't think it's asking for trouble. This part of a sentence "keep it civil" shouldn't even be said in the first place but since lately some topics are getting way out of hand I just mentioned it.

Anyone who can't keep it civil isn't going to look at that statement and honour it, which makes it pointless even stating it. In fact it's counter-productive, as it's likely to antagonise them.

alwaysonacoffebreak, on 23 March 2013 - 13:24, said:

About creating headlines, I think we have different opinions on that mostly. If I understand correctly it is about ad revenue (like you said) and as far as I know writers are somehow "Paid" on that revenue alone. No revenue, no writers, no site/forum. Don't really think that's better than a few sensationalist headlines.

A minority of articles on the site are sensationalist and/or misleading and it's those that people have a problem with. They aren't needed for the site and they give it a bad reputation. There's a difference between writing a creative title and creating a deliberately sensationalist or misleading one. Standards and integrity shouldn't fly out the window when there's money to be made.

alwaysonacoffebreak, on 23 March 2013 - 13:32, said:

Also about this part, I never said (or at least didn't mean to say) that people shouldn't express what they like/dislike about a company but I think it should stick to rational boundaries still. Lately it's become more like "I love this company so all others must be **** " which I really don't think is rational. Or maybe I'm just falling into topics like those.

It's simply best to ignore them. If people aren't rational then you're not going to get anywhere trying to correct to them or explaining why you disagree. Fortunately there is an ignore list for people like that.