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#16 Elessar

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Posted 07 April 2013 - 11:19

The Metro UI should only be an option when someone has a touchscreen-enabled device/monitor. Otherwise the Desktop UI is what should automatically load. The Start screen in Windows 8 is useless to me and the UI itself is an extreme waste of space (big blocky "tiles").


#17 Dot Matrix

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Posted 07 April 2013 - 11:31

You don't actually know Microsoft's plans, so don't talk as if anything is set in stone. I wouldn't be at all surprised to see the Start Menu return in Windows 9. The opening poster's point is a good one and plenty of us would like to see it happen.


If the Start Menu isn't coming back in Windows 8.1, it certainly isn't coming back in Windows 9.

The Metro UI should only be an option when someone has a touchscreen-enabled device/monitor. Otherwise the Desktop UI is what should automatically load.


That would be quite a poor UX, as it's fairly clear in Windows 8.1 that Microsoft wants to move forward with the Metro UI/UX. I personally expect little development on the desktop going forward. There would be many consumers that would be missing out on the latest features, and not even know about it. Give it a few years, and touchscreens will be the norm.


Metro is the new norm, you can see it in every design coming out of Redmond. Expect it to be around for a bit.
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#18 TheExperiment

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Posted 07 April 2013 - 11:36

That would be quite a poor UX, as it's fairly clear in Windows 8.1 that Microsoft wants to move forward with the Metro UI/UX. I personally expect little development on the desktop going forward. There would be many consumers that would be missing out on the latest features, and not even know about it. Give it a few years, and touchscreens will be the norm.

Err, not on desktops. Cripes I'm three feet away from my monitor, I'm not going to reach just to pick an option. I could get a Logitech T650 but I don't see the point since I have no issues with the SS on kb+m.

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Posted 07 April 2013 - 11:44

I respect your choice but many of us prefer the non-metro UI for practical reasons. Metro UI has proven to be an annoyance to those who enjoy working out of the box. Now with Metro rumored as being the only choice we will have in Windows Blue, I can imagine that Microsoft is basically telling its userbase: "If you don't like this, f-off".


The desktop won't be removed in Windows Blue, as it's merely an update to Windows 8 - core features cannot simply be removed. Even in Windows 9 we won't see the desktop disappear because that would seriously damage Microsoft's position in the market place, though it may become more Metro-fied. There are many issues with the implementation of Metro in Windows 8 but they can be addressed - the entire Start Screen doesn't have to be thrown away.

People seem to forget that the Start Menu was actually terrible. especially since Vista constrained it to a tiny fraction of the screen. As someone with a 30" 2560x1600 monitor it was horrible: it didn't make use of the available real-estate; menus were truncated; icons were small; the included Windows applications dominated the most valuable part of menu (the top); the most-used space was unpredictable, as icons would appear and disappear without any user control. It was horribly outdated and didn't do what the user needed it to. Now the Start Screen definitely has its issues but it's a better starting point.

Ubuntu is finally beginning to be supported by AAA tech companies such as Valve, AMD and Dell.


Yeah, but without gaming it's irrelevant. Valve might be able to change that with Steam but that remains to be seen and will take the best part of a decade.

Windows is trying to create a unified platform but will fail so miserably. I hope they see this because the day those arrogant executives get laid-off, they will remember how they thought they could tell us what to do, just like Apple (watch them die a slow death).


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#20 Dot Matrix

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Posted 07 April 2013 - 11:50

You don't actually know Microsoft's plans, so don't talk as if anything is set in stone. I wouldn't be at all surprised to see the Start Menu return in Windows 9. The opening poster's point is a good one and plenty of us would like to see it happen.


You're also forgetting some of Microsoft's most powerful tools still remain on the desktop. Office and Visual Studio, among others. The desktop will still be present in Windows 9, just as it is in Windows 8.


Err, not on desktops. Cripes I'm three feet away from my monitor, I'm not going to reach just to pick an option. I could get a Logitech T650 but I don't see the point since I have no issues with the SS on kb+m.


I think that trend will disappear with time. As the kids of today become older, they're going to expect to be able to interact with their devices, like they do now with their parent's cell phones and tablets. It'll become impossible to sit x feet away from your screens anymore. Like it or not, this kind of interactivity is unavoidable as these kids grow older, and re-shape the market trends, and even develop new devices themselves, based on their childhood experiences.

Personally, I run two non touch monitors on my main machine, and even they're just a reach away.

#21 TheExperiment

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Posted 07 April 2013 - 12:00

I think that trend will disappear with time. As the kids of today become older, they're going to expect to be able to interact with their devices, like they do now with their parent's cell phones and tablets. Like it or not, this kind of interactivity is unavoidable as these kids grow older, and re-shape the market trends, and even develop new devices themselves, based on their childhood experiences.

I agree that change is inevitable, but if we're talking short term I don't see the traditional setup going away for at least three years. Even when you can fit a work/gaming machine into a tablet you'd still want a decent screen and kb+m for it for any heavy usage. Probably better speakers too heh.

Tech will keep shrinking, but usage patterns tend to change slowly.

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Posted 07 April 2013 - 12:09

Awkward moment when 99% "classic UI" is still in Windows 8 so I don't really see the point?

I don't agree with 99% but a true power user who knows windows well will know how to work around issues like no start menu. I agree that the start screen is not the start menu, but it wasn't intended to be. Learn your windows combination keys, many of them have been unchanged from version to version. Learn your basic commands to bring up control panel items, many of them have not changed from version to version.

Winkey + tab switches between metro apps

Winkey + r brings up the run prompt

Winkey + f brings up search

Ctrl + alt + esc brings up task manager

Winkey + l locks your computer

There are many more, this is just a short list of my commonly used shortcuts that take less time than clicking through menus to bring things up.

Get to the run prompt and type in control to get to the control panel

Ctrl + f4 in a metro app closes the metro app.

I could go on quite a bit.

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Posted 07 April 2013 - 12:09

I think that trend will disappear with time. As the kids of today become older, they're going to expect to be able to interact with their devices, like they do now with their parent's cell phones and tablets. It'll become impossible to sit x feet away from your screens anymore. Like it or not, this kind of interactivity is unavoidable as these kids grow older, and re-shape the market trends, and even develop new devices themselves, based on their childhood experiences.

Personally, I run two non touch monitors on my main machine, and even they're just a reach away.


So you are expecting people to sit within an easy arms reach away from their monitors? Optometrist love the idea. Big difference between smart phones/tablets and 22-27 inch monitors.

#24 Dot Matrix

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Posted 07 April 2013 - 12:09

I agree that change is inevitable, but if we're talking short term I don't see the traditional setup going away for at least three years. Even when you can fit a work/gaming machine into a tablet you'd still want a decent screen and kb+m for it for any heavy usage. Probably better speakers too heh.

Tech will keep shrinking, but usage patterns tend to change slowly.


Agreed, it certainly isn't going to disappear overnight, but the shift is already beginning. Consumers are moving to new devices in droves, leaving behind many traditional setups that were common 10-15 years ago.

#25 Dot Matrix

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Posted 07 April 2013 - 12:21

So you are expecting people to sit within an easy arms reach away from their monitors? Optometrist love the idea. Big difference between smart phones/tablets and 22-27 inch monitors.


Many people already do that. Why do you think this is a new thing?

#26 n_K

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Posted 07 April 2013 - 12:28

Whether you like it or not, metro isn't going anywhere. I think you're forgetting something too, MS controls the support for windows, soon it will be ending for vista and 7, what do you think people are going to do once support ends and security flaws go unpatched, what do you think BUSINESSES will do when security flaws go unpatched?
They could do much worse than remove the start menu, and due to support and legacy capabilities, a business cannot just switch to mac or linux and have their specialist software work, so they'll be forced to upgrade to the news windows.

I don't really care for choosing between the start menu or start screen, I can use either.

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Posted 07 April 2013 - 12:33

Many people already do that. Why do you think this is a new thing?


Many people what....sit within an arms reach of their monitors while working? Got a source for that...aside from your own method? Guess you think the viewing distances are the same for 4in and 24in screens? Both at work and at home I am not within an arms reach of my monitors.

Touch screen does have its place in healthcare (where I primarily work)...for things like vitals/patient notes. However, things requiring longer notes (like radiology diagnosis) .... though dictaphones are getting better (though radiologist still need to go in a change misinterpreted words).

#28 Detection

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Posted 07 April 2013 - 12:36

MS controls the support for windows, soon it will be ending for vista and 7


?? XP is still receiving updates, Vista and 7 are not going to be dropped any time soon

#29 68k

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Posted 07 April 2013 - 12:41

I don't care that much about Windows 9 as long as Windows 7 is still supported, and that Start8 (life saver) is updated to work on Windows 8.1 and 9.

Microsoft only now take in positive feedback for using in advertising.

Another major UI change would be a big mistake. Windows is great as it is (7 for desktop users, 8 for tablets). How much more can you refine an OS? I hope Microsoft don't go down the GNOME 3 path. Leave them (Windows 7 and 8) as they are for a decade or so, or longer. They get the job done. I don't see the need for Windows 9 (Windows 8.1 - yes). OS-wide speech-to-text (that doesn't require an internet connection) would be nice though.

#30 Buttus

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Posted 07 April 2013 - 12:43

I still don't see why they can't just put both on there and make everyone happy....