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#31 +techbeck

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Posted 12 April 2013 - 15:02

That would be cool...doubt a version for Android will be released. Dont really care either way


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Posted 12 April 2013 - 15:13

just as good?...only if you hate yourself. :p


I use LibreOffice on a regular basis and really like it. It may not have all of the features of Microsoft Office, but it has everything that I need. I have yet to run into a feature I wanted to use that Microsoft Office has and LibreOffice does not. The biggest "problem" with LibreOffice is its poor support of Microsoft Office's file formats, which is only relevant because so many people use Microsoft Office exclusively. If the tables were reversed and LibreOffice had much larger marketshare than Microsoft Office, then Microsoft Office would have the same "problem". Its ODF support is horrendous, despite that fact that anyone can get the official specifications. It's not that LibreOffice is drastically worse, it's merely a compatibility problem. However, I acknowledge reality; that's why I use Microsoft Office when necessary for compatibility.

#33 HawkMan

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Posted 12 April 2013 - 16:10

But for people who work in offices with office apps day in and day out. while Libre may do the job. MS OFfice allows them to do the job far more effective. more effective means oney saved and more happy employees.

I can get to work on a moped. but it'd take me nearly an hour instead of 15-20 minutes. and I wouldn't be very happy in -30C in winter...

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Posted 12 April 2013 - 16:16

I du no, I'm seeing more governments moving back to windows from windows after trying Linux the last couple of years.

this. initially folks confused open source with free. then whey they realized they had to spend a lot of money to get it to work as they wanted it.. they moved back to MS products, mostly because it was easier and cheaper to find devs for development and Ops.

Linux works for web but on the client side nothing beats windows.

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Posted 12 April 2013 - 16:34

True that. IIRC City of Munich was the most publicized and they have switched back wasting millions on the Linux side.


Some people use that as an example of a failed migration to Linux, which is weird because the migration has actually been quite a success. I guess some didn't really read anything beyond the news about the initial difficulties back in 2006.
Not only they didn't switch back but they saved over €11 million so far.

http://www.computerw...-linux-success/
http://www.zdnet.com...ich-7000010918/
http://www.itworld.c...over-11-million

#36 hmmz

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Posted 12 April 2013 - 16:36

Pffft LibreOffice, just as good and free and it's been on Linux for years.

LOL

And GIMP is just as good as Photoshop, right? :laugh:

#37 Javik

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Posted 12 April 2013 - 16:43

Given that this would make it easier for those of us that are unhappy with the direction Windows is taking to switch I'd be surprised if it goes anywhere.

#38 Mindovermaster

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Posted 12 April 2013 - 16:52

LOL

And GIMP is just as good as Photoshop, right? :laugh:


Actually, it is. Just like you had to learn photoshop, you have to learn Gimp. Same for MS Office and Liber/OpenOffice

#39 HawkMan

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Posted 12 April 2013 - 16:59

Some people use that as an example of a failed migration to Linux, which is weird because the migration has actually been quite a success. I guess some didn't really read anything beyond the news about the initial difficulties back in 2006.
Not only they didn't switch back but they saved over €11 million so far.

http://www.computerw...-linux-success/
http://www.zdnet.com...ich-7000010918/
http://www.itworld.c...over-11-million


So I wonder, if all those emplpyees would have been able to work more effectively with MS Office and thus be able to put in one more week of effective work each year per employee, how much money that would have added up to over the same period. of course we'll never know since they never bothered to measure the effectiveness and happiness of their employees on the different systems. The date they switched means they've never even tried 2007 or 2010, much less 2013.

Actually, it is. Just like you had to learn photoshop, you have to learn Gimp. Same for MS Office and Liber/OpenOffice


And that STILL doesn't make The GIMP as good as photoshop. just like Blender isn't as good as... well ANY of the big commercial 3D suites.
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st of the GIMP and Blender defenders are diehard FOSS evangelists who will spend 3 times as long to learn the software, and twice as long to make almost the same result just to prove that "it's just as good". This is why no serious graphics business uses GIMP and Blender except for fan evangelist projects like 3D Blender Foundation and their Big Buck Bunny.

#40 ichi

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Posted 12 April 2013 - 17:05

So I wonder, if all those emplpyees would have been able to work more effectively with MS Office and thus be able to put in one more week of effective work each year per employee, how much money that would have added up to over the same period. of course we'll never know since they never bothered to measure the effectiveness and happiness of their employees on the different systems. The date they switched means they've never even tried 2007 or 2010, much less 2013.


According Christian Ude the number of complains to help desk has actually decreased since they switched, so I guess they are doing fine.

The point anyway is that using Munich as an example of a failed Linux deployment (as it's often done) is utterly wrong.

#41 Mindovermaster

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Posted 12 April 2013 - 17:05

And that STILL doesn't make The GIMP as good as photoshop. just like Blender isn't as good as... well ANY of the big commercial 3D suites.
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So, it's not perfect. The whole Linux world isn't perfect. It's not a workaround for large corporations, but it is just fine for a novice person.

#42 Javik

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Posted 12 April 2013 - 17:07

For 98% of ordinary people GIMP would fit their needs just as well as Photoshop. Apart from people working in specialised industries, most normal people do not need all of the advanced stuff that Photoshop offers.

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Posted 12 April 2013 - 17:09

On Windows, GIMP has nothing on Paint.Net

#44 hmmz

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Posted 12 April 2013 - 17:26

On Windows, GIMP has nothing on Paint.Net

Now that's as silly as saying Photoshop has nothing on GIMP.

#45 HawkMan

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Posted 12 April 2013 - 17:31

So, it's not perfect. The whole Linux world isn't perfect. It's not a workaround for large corporations, but it is just fine for a novice person.

I thought you just argued that the GIMP was just as good as photoshop....

For 98% of ordinary people GIMP would fit their needs just as well as Photoshop. Apart from people working in specialised industries, most normal people do not need all of the advanced stuff that Photoshop offers.


Most normal people who use Photohop use the LE edition, or the full version illegally and they could just as well use the LE edition. the LE edition is far beyond The GIMP in usability, and thus worth the cost for these people.

According Christian Ude the number of complains to help desk has actually decreased since they switched, so I guess they are doing fine.

The point anyway is that using Munich as an example of a failed Linux deployment (as it's often done) is utterly wrong.


Help desk calls doesn't measure usability and efficiency.