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#1 zeroomegazx

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Posted 01 May 2013 - 16:56

I am very confused with all the news on Windows 8.1. I am mainly concerned with whether 8.1 will be a *service pack* like update that we don't have to pay for or will it be like 98SE was... Personally I can't see Microsoft having the balls to put out another new version of Windows 1 year after 8 was released. Does anyone know which way its going to fall?


#2 TheExperiment

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Posted 01 May 2013 - 16:59

I am very confused with all the news on Windows 8.1. I am mainly concerned with whether 8.1 will be a *service pack* like update that we don't have to pay for or will it be like 98SE was... Personally I can't see Microsoft having the balls to put out another new version of Windows 1 year after 8 was released. Does anyone know which way its going to fall?

Windows Blue (8.1) is a free update. It could be a new product as far as the retailers and OEMs are concerned (I don't know) but everyone who has 8 is covered.

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Posted 01 May 2013 - 16:59

According to Paul thurrrott it is going to be a big update! It would make zero sense if Microsoft released 8.1 as a new os and Windows 8 users would have to pay for it and upgrade their pcs again!

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Posted 01 May 2013 - 17:01

Windows Blue (8.1) is a free update. It could be a new product as far as the retailers and OEMs are concerned (I don't know) but everyone who has 8 is covered.

Traditionally MS don't slipstream Service Packs into retail releases.

It'll be interesting to see if they do this time around.

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Posted 01 May 2013 - 17:03

It's going to be a big update to try to fix some things people hate about windows 8. Windows 9 will "Hopefully" be MUCH better. Though I'm not holding my breath. I hope metro (Modern UI) isn't the death of Microsoft.

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Posted 01 May 2013 - 17:11

A lot of existing windows 8 customers would be angry if Microsoft released 8.1 as a another paid os. That would be very greedy if Microsoft did that. It would not just suck if Microsoft did this, it would really really suck. Paul Thurrott said that Windows 8.1 will be a enriched update.

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Posted 01 May 2013 - 17:12

@zeroomegazx: You probably missed a bit on W8 news. MS is moving into the area of Apple, with yearly updates of the OS. So the 'old' way of releasing a new OS every 3 year or so, with service packs inbetween is going away.

If this 8.1 update is a free update or not, nobody knows yet. Any speculation on this is just plain silly. We'll see it when it is officialy released.
Personally I don't mind paying some money for it, but I can imagen a lot of you will go the "Hell... it;s broken now, so Im not gonna pay for the fixes"........

And Warwagon: MS is a HUGE company with different subsets that make a TON of money. Also, companies are only now slowly moving from XP to W7, maybe some to W8. A sudden death of MS isn't possible.
Oh... they had great financial numbers despite all the negative stuff floatng on the web. Just sayng....

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Posted 01 May 2013 - 17:12

Traditionally MS don't slipstream Service Packs into retail releases.

It'll be interesting to see if they do this time around.

I could see either way. I'm not actually expecting the retail package to change, but if the reception to 8 is slower than expected they might. OEM builds I could definately see changing to 8.1 though.

#9 articuno1au

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Posted 01 May 2013 - 17:15

Depends on how you look at it.

Most people don't ever pay for their OS directly. Those of us that did got in at the $40 price point. I personally wouldn't mind another $20 to upgrade. That having been said, I'd really rather not pay for an SP :\

I could see either way. I'm not actually expecting the retail package to change, but if the reception to 8 is slower than expected they might. OEM builds I could definately see changing to 8.1 though.

OEMs definitely will include it. It's part of the EOEM licensing contract.

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Posted 01 May 2013 - 17:18

Isn't it possible it could be a $29 update or something rather cheap, similar to Mac OS X? I would like it to be free, but I don't actually expect it to be.

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Posted 01 May 2013 - 17:19

@zeroomegazx: You probably missed a bit on W8 news. MS is moving into the area of Apple, with yearly updates of the OS. So the 'old' way of releasing a new OS every 3 year or so, with service packs inbetween is going away.

If this 8.1 update is a free update or not, nobody knows yet. Any speculation on this is just plain silly. We'll see it when it is officialy released.
Personally I don't mind paying some money for it, but I can imagen a lot of you will go the "Hell... it;s broken now, so Im not gonna pay for the fixes"........

And Warwagon: MS is a HUGE company with different subsets that make a TON of money. Also, companies are only now slowly moving from XP to W7, maybe some to W8. A sudden death of MS isn't possible.
Oh... they had great financial numbers despite all the negative stuff floatng on the web. Just sayng....

By 8.1 being a full new os, that means the possibility of backing up files and reinstallling programs again. That would be crazy if ms did this

#12 TheExperiment

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Posted 01 May 2013 - 17:19

Depends on how you look at it.

Most people don't ever pay for their OS directly. Those of us that did got in at the $40 price point.

I gotta say I put 8 on some older hardware (Turion 2 laptop with a 4250) and it is much better. The OS getting much more efficient could be causing problems with hardware sales.

I won't hesitate to put it on the other machines in my house when I have the cash.

#13 articuno1au

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Posted 01 May 2013 - 17:24

Seven was the same >.<

8 is only marginally better in that regard.

This is what amuses me about the people comparing 7->8. When 7 was released, there were no OS's from MS capable of handling multi-CPU systems well with all of the technological advances that had come through. People were using 10+ year old operating systems on hardware that was a million miles more advanced. Once 7 came out, it was as fast as XP, but made better use of the hardware. It's a no brainer update (which explains all the idiots still running XP ftr).

With 8, there is no mandate to upgrade. 7 is still a great OS. It still does what people want it to do. The main area of growth in 8 in my experience is in the enthusiast and gaming markets. Steams hardware data reflects this. The Windows 8 uptake rate in their numbers is mind boggling.

Either way, 8->8.1 will be an inplace update. There's no question it will be a new OS. The only question is will it be a sold update or a free update.

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Posted 01 May 2013 - 17:25

How ****ed off would you be if you had a device with Windows 8 installed and they released 8.1 as a new OS like 7 was to Vista. I thinks there would be line of people ready to throttle Balmer.

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Posted 01 May 2013 - 17:27

How ****ed off would you be if you had a device with Windows 8 installed and they released 8.1 as a new OS like 7 was to Vista. I thinks there would be line of people ready to throttle Balmer.

Windows 3.1 was a paid update to Windows 3.0. Even Windows 98 SE wasn't a free update. 8.1 might be a minor update, but I wouldn't be shocked at all if Microsoft charged money for it. I don't think they will, or it will be priced very cheaply, but Microsoft is not a charity.