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Like with most people know. Last week was a big deal for gay rights with DOMA and Prob 8 striking down. With the gays being happy for this the opposed view see it different. They say that the real reason they opposed it is because of the kids, unnaturally and people will get married to other animals or polygamous(common type of marriage a long time ago). The truth behind most of it is that the bible says that a man can't lay with an other man. That's pretty much it. Everything else they bring up is stuff that is pretty up untrue. There is also the unknown that people are scared of to but religious pretty much it.((

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Most people I know object to the use of the word marriage.

 

If you named it anything else, a large chunk of people would be ok with it..

 

Also, nice generalisations there..

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Scared of the unknown? Come on it's 2013, who is homophobic now days?

 

Am I gay? No. But who am I or anyone else to say who can and cannot get married?

 

As for the Bible, if it stated to jump off a bridge, would you? (Not directed to OP, just a question to think to yourselves to who ever reads this)

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yeah like 'civil union'.

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What's funny is California voted for Obama,  yet... Prop 8 passed?  Explain that.

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What happen to the separation between church and state? They will probably refine the law saying that only 2 human beings can get married. Which will exclude Animals and polygamy.

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Stop. Just stop.

 

I have nothing against gays nor them marrying each other  but this day-to-day propaganda about it is really getting too much already. Yay! You got your rights. Now shut the hell up already and go get married.

 

People who are opposed to it have different views on things, big deal, live with it, not everyone is like you or as tolerant as you.

 

I'm sorry if I offend someone by saying this but this is how I feel about it.

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@alwaysonacoffebreak

 

I got your point, but put yourself in to our shoes and you hopefully you can see the importance this is too us. Everyone wants to be treated equally. Also the fight isn't over. :-(

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Don't get me wrong, I'd say the same thing to the people who are against you getting married, to get over it, it's none of their business. Nor is it mine.

 

Just I'd like gays to turn it down a notch, I understand you have to prove a point but does it really mean you have to do it day in day out in the media? There are better ways.

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Scared of the unknown? Come on it's 2013, who is homophobic now days?

 

Am I gay? No. But who am I or anyone else to say who can and cannot get married?

 

As for the Bible, if it stated to jump off a bridge, would you? (Not directed to OP, just a question to think to yourselves to who ever reads this)

Russia, Uganda, Nigeria....

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As a non-practicing Catholic, I've never had an issue with gay marriage or rights and neither has any priest I've known.  I do have a problem with the attitude that I receive occasionally (as a straight man) from same sex couples.  It happens fairly infrequently and usually from women, but it comes off as arrogance.  I totally support equal rights and freedoms, I just get tired of the occasional lack of social etiquette and reciprocation of respect.   

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What I'd love is for someone to tell me whose rights are being taken away if there was same sex marriage - not adoption, IVF treatment etc. but marriage as a stand alone issue.

 

Btw, for those opposing same sex marriage, you have a right to your opinion but you don't have a right for your opinion to be left unchallenged. If your opinion is based on a solid ground then you should welcome the subject so then you can debate based on the merits of your case.

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 The truth behind most of it is that the bible says that a man can't lay with an other man. That's pretty much it. Everything else they bring up is stuff that is pretty up untrue. There is also the unknown that people are scared of to but religious pretty much it.((

 

That's not what it says actually. If you properly translate what it says you get that for a man to lay with another men (= human being) instead of his own, so if he were to commit adultery.

 

In general what the bible speaks of does in no way imply that homosexuality is abnormal nor does it say it is sinful anywhere. It is the 'modern' interpretation of it that makes that claim. If you translate what is written to the time it was written in it has a completely different meaning. In the time the Bible was written it was quite normal for humans to have sexual relations of the same sex. It was also normal for older men to marry and have sex with girls around 12-13. Does that mean that people in those days were paedophiles?

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Don't get me wrong, I'd say the same thing to the people who are against you getting married, to get over it, it's none of their business. Nor is it mine.

 

Just I'd like gays to turn it down a notch, I understand you have to prove a point but does it really mean you have to do it day in day out in the media? There are better ways.

 

When a group of people are oppressed as much as homosexuals still are in America sometimes you have to do that to get your point across. Once they have those rights then things will return to normal. Europe isn't all that homophobic any more so sometimes it's hard for us to appreciate how bad it can be but I certainly wouldn't want to be a gay person in the states if I lived outside of New York. Things are changing though, soon you'll be able to go back to your bubble they will be able to go back to theirs and it won't be an issue any more but social progression always takes time.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_OIv-EaojA
This, And they have a perverted definition of "religious freedom" called "religious liberty" which means the right for christians to force their religious views onto everyone else through state and federal law

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Russia, Uganda, Nigeria....

 

Okay, they don't live in the United States of America, so they don't have a say in what our country does allow and doesn't allow.

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The apocalypse hasn't started yet.  Still waiting!  All because gays wanted to get married...

 

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What was the point of this post.  You are simply projecting your belief of what motivated these people onto them.

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the bible says that a man can't lay with an other man. ***Unless he be stonned.... 

 

 

 

 

they just need to get really high before they can shag, and also it says nothing about a man marrying another man? just says he cant lay with him ... can just shag against the wall... or learn to be a sword swallow-er...

people who have a problem with homosexuality because its unnatural obviously cant see half of the wildlife that humps the same sex  ...being gay is just natural selection... also its good for those children who need to be adopted.... (against two men having a child together in a lab though ) but they can still adopt and make good parents :D (or one can be the bio dad i guess)

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Like with most people know. Last week was a big deal for gay rights with DOMA and Prob 8 striking down. With the gays being happy for this the opposed view see it different. They say that the real reason they opposed it is because of the kids, unnaturally and people will get married to other animals or polygamous(common type of marriage a long time ago). The truth behind most of it is that the bible says that a man can't lay with an other man. That's pretty much it. Everything else they bring up is stuff that is pretty up untrue. There is also the unknown that people are scared of to but religious pretty much it.((

>Implying those against are always religious - false

>Implying marriage is a religious institution or construct - false

>Implying being homosexual is normal. It might be "naturally occurring" but it's clearly a deviation for the norm.

 

And let's be clear. None of this is about "rights". It's about money and taxation.

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What's funny is California voted for Obama,  yet... Prop 8 passed?  Explain that.

 

Prop 8 was bankrolled by the Mormons and conservative evangelicals. It's ironic the Mormons' involvement given that their preferred form of marriage (polygyny) is illegal, so they too have suffered discrimination on marriage issues.

 

Prop 8 had 52% of the vote in 2008. Now the feeling in California is 58% in favour of gay marriage. People are changing their views fast. Bitter old people are dying off in droves and young people are demanding tolerance.

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I honestly think that most of the people that oppose gay marriage just oppose it because they are trying to fit in or follow what someone else has told them to believe rather than coming up with their own feelings.

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And let's be clear. None of this is about "rights". It's about money and taxation.

Yeah because if your partner has a medical issue while your traveling outside states where your marriage is regonised you can totally make medical decisions based on your "just friends" relationship

 

What is it with fiscal conservatives ? Would you sell out the civil rights act if it would save you a few bucks on your taxes ?

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When a group of people are oppressed as much as homosexuals still are in America sometimes you have to do that to get your point across. Once they have those rights then things will return to normal. Europe isn't all that homophobic any more so sometimes it's hard for us to appreciate how bad it can be but I certainly wouldn't want to be a gay person in the states if I lived outside of New York. Things are changing though, soon you'll be able to go back to your bubble they will be able to go back to theirs and it won't be an issue any more but social progression always takes time.

That is excuse-making (and a lot of my fellow Blacks are JUST as guilty, and use a similar excuse).  Bad behavior is bad behavior - don't make excuses for it.

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I'm not a pro-gay but everyone has the right to make choices. Freedom all the way !

 

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