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Remember when Microsoft was teasing that developers might be able to run Windows 8 games on the Xbox One due to the similarities in their interfaces? Well it turns out that it

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Kinda makes Steambox pointless :laugh:

This was pretty expected imo. I dunno how it'll play out but it could have a pretty big impact.

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I was thinking so small about the Xbox One...

Xbox One (powered by Azure), is Grand Central Station, for Microsoft.

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Important point is by Windows 8, they mean metro. Although, this is still excellent but a given considering the announcements around it.

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Kinda makes Steambox pointless :laugh:

This was pretty expected imo. I dunno how it'll play out but it could have a pretty big impact.

 

Except I'm pretty sure the article is referencing metro apps/games and not traditional games.   :rolleyes:

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Except I'm pretty sure the article is referencing metro apps/games and not traditional games.   :rolleyes:

Steambox could be said to reference Linux apps/games and not traditional games.

 

So...your point?

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Except I'm pretty sure the article is referencing metro apps/games and not traditional games.   :rolleyes:

 

So what?

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Really good news but not surprising.  What I want to know is if you buy a digital copy of a game, whether or not you can move it between PC and X1 without having to repurchase.  That would be a really good incentive to move away from discs.

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Good for smaller titles.

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Steambox could be said to reference Linux apps/games and not traditional games.

 

So...your point?

 

That's an intellectually dishonest comparison and you know it.

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Really good news but not surprising.  What I want to know is if you buy a digital copy of a game, whether or not you can move it between PC and X1 without having to repurchase.  That would be a really good incentive to move away from discs.


they are unifying the wp and windows store, so I don't see why this would not be included. the goal is to unify everything. one app runs on all windows devices.

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Does this along with the fact that their using the X86 architecture mean we will get homemade Tower "Xbox Ones"? I mean sure they probably couldn't play online, but this system is sounding easier to emulate by the day.

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The whole Steambox thing and MS' goal to unify devices under the same core got me thinking about a possibility.

 

MS' end game for the xbox brand may be the same as Valve's push with its SteamOS:  Move away from xbox tied to a single box built by MS and instead an Xbox OS that could be used on boxes made by other oems and perhaps integrated into Windows on the pc side as a gaming focused OS.  Or they could continue building a stand alone system, but would bring pc gaming into the mix by integrating into desktop Windows systems.

 

I mean think about the X1, its already able to seamlessly run Windows 8 and the Xbox OS thanks to Hyper V.  To the user, its as if the X1 is just a single system, when in fact its two.

 

What if you took this idea and moved it over to the pc.  All it would take would be MS building the Xbox OS into Windows along with the Hyper V bits and suddenly any desktop pc can be a console (i.e. a system focused on getting the most performance for gaming).  Like Linux, the Xbox OS would be very lightweight and would maximize hardware usage.

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Except I'm pretty sure the article is referencing metro apps/games and not traditional games.   :rolleyes:

Metro apps can be full blown DirectX games. What's your point?
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That's an intellectually dishonest comparison and you know it.

I should know these things I know, shouldn't I?

 

If only I did.

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I was thinking so small about the Xbox One...

Xbox One (powered by Azure), is Grand Central Station, for Microsoft.

I want to believe, too. Really, look at my sig. I make Windows Phone apps, I'm an MS fanboy.

 

But look at the track record, especially when it comes to their new "metro" stuff.

 

Windows Phone 7 was a beta test, plain and simple.

Windows Phone 8 is lacking features. Big time.

Windows Metro UI was released half-baked.

WinRT apps (even 1st party ones) are buggy and prone to crashing.

Surface gen 1 has piss poor performance.

 

I'm fairly certain that everyone who's been following Microsoft knows that the xbox one runs the new Windows runtime (WinRT) and could therefore run any WinRT app - assuming correct input. But saying it "can" is not the same as saying it "does". I've been burned too many times in the past year or two by Microsoft, and I'm not about to get an xbox one on faith alone.

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I want to believe, too. Really, look at my sig. I make Windows Phone apps, I'm an MS fanboy.
 
But look at the track record, especially when it comes to their new "metro" stuff.
 
Windows Phone 7 was a beta test, plain and simple.
Windows Phone 8 is lacking features. Big time.
Windows Metro UI was released half-baked.
WinRT apps (even 1st party ones) are buggy and prone to crashing.
Surface gen 1 has **** poor performance.
 
I'm fairly certain that everyone who's been following Microsoft knows that the xbox one runs the new Windows runtime (WinRT) and could therefore run any WinRT app - assuming correct input. But saying it "can" is not the same as saying it "does". I've been burned too many times in the past year or two by Microsoft, and I'm not about to get an xbox one on faith alone.

you will always get "burned" when investing in v1 products. look at how primitive the xbox360 was when released to where it is today. you cant manufacture maturity because maturity depends on time. the best part of being an early adopter is that you are there from the beginning, and when this thing that you've supported since day 1 becomes this gigantic unstoppable ****in beast, it is priceless and worth everything you've put into it.

 

or you can just go invest in a mature platform and bore yourself to death.

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Xbox One Can Run Windows 8 Games Using Almost the Same Code

and, assuming you're using High Spec PC:
if theres wrapper for win 8.x to play xb1 games with no or little modification ...

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So what?

 

So Windows 8 games are nothing more than glorified mobile games.  Steambox very much still has a purpose.  

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The difference between win32 games and Xbox games is already just a button click on compile in VS, it's going to be even less now. So while thisis primarily about modern apps, it's very valid and already is valid for regular games.

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This is not a surprise, not with how they strongly hinted at things back at BUILD around the XB1.   Is it for metro apps/games, sure, probably, but they also have the ID program and that should, unless I'm wrong, also allow for developers to make more native Xbox games.  

 

And Steambox might have a purpose, in a niche corner of an already niche market.    But most if not all of those games it's going to let you run you'll also get on XB1 or PS4 because unless it's some exclusive first party title (in which case it'll be on one or the other console only) most if not all games are multiplatform now.  

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So Windows 8 games are nothing more than glorified mobile games. Steambox very much still has a purpose.


They don't have to be though, and steambox is going to sell to a niche market at best, so said purpose is moot.

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So Windows 8 games are nothing more than glorified mobile games.  Steambox very much still has a purpose.  

 

 

Metro does not restrict game developers to just creating mobile type games.  It just so happens that is what they have focused on so far.  I would expect that to change if they opened up the option for game devs to create games that also worked on the X1 that way.

 

I don't think we need to throw the Steambox into this.  Valve is creating its own gaming platform, sort of like its own console.  It can certainly still have a market and a purpose as a competitor to what MS and Sony are doing.

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you will always get "burned" when investing in v1 products. look at how primitive the xbox360 was when released to where it is today. you cant manufacture maturity because maturity depends on time. the best part of being an early adopter is that you are there from the beginning, and when this thing that you've supported since day 1 becomes this gigantic unstoppable ****in beast, it is priceless and worth everything you've put into it.

 

or you can just go invest in a mature platform and bore yourself to death.

 

Right, so the xbox 360 was a downgrade from the original xbox? They seem to have fixed any issues with the 360 before moving on to the xbox one.

 

I've been waiting a year for a usable xbox music experience, and even when it's usable it probably won't compare to Zune. If the surface RT 2 is between 100% and 400% faster than the RT 1, I don't have high hopes that Microsoft can fix the issues with software. And that's everything Microsoft has released lately. The 360 has been out for years, the shelf life of a phone or tablet is a year or 2, 3 if you push it.

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iPad 2 was released in March 2011. Still for sale and will be a good selling tablet for the foreseeable future. So that's approaching 3. Years, without pushing it.

Don't confuse tablets with a quality OS with craplets that are laggy when you buy them and get worse with every update.

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