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#61 mps69

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Posted 03 December 2013 - 11:04

According to Spiegel.de (article in German) Nico Hülkenberg signed a multi-year deal with Force India. Sergio Perez is to join him, while Adrian Sutil is off to Sauber.

 

Confirmation to follow soon I'd imagine.

 

Looks like Paul De Resta is going to lose out in the great seat shuffle this year, real shame.




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Posted 03 December 2013 - 15:12



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Posted 03 December 2013 - 19:42

^^

So Taki was right for once! :p

 

Such a shame for Paul Di Resta though; it looks like Adrian Sutil's being kept on, so unless Paul gets the other Sauber seat, he'll probably be out of F1 next year. :/ If it happens, I reckon he'll probably go for a second DTM title then. Or maybe he'll follow Mark Webber into the WEC...



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Posted 04 December 2013 - 16:38

The race calendar's been revised for 2014...

 

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So no New Jersey, no Mexico, Korea's dropped, and Abu Dhabi's now the final race. ######ing hell, Bernie.  :/



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Posted 04 December 2013 - 16:41

I was just posting that! :laugh:

 

What a terrible way to end 2014 with Abu Dhabi. If everything came down to the final race. Think how boring it would be.

Get pole, you've pretty much won it. I suppose they got a bit of extra cash to have Abu Dhabi as the final race.

 

I don't think we'll see the New Jersey race happen.



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Posted 06 December 2013 - 23:56

The race calendar has now been confirmed and no further changes should, in theory, be made.
 
http://www.fia.com/n...sport-council-3

16/03 AUS Grand Prix of Australia
30/03 MYS Grand Prix of Malaysia
06/04 BHR Grand Prix of Bahrain
20/04 CHN Grand Prix of China
11/05 ESP Grand Prix of Spain
25/05 MCO Grand Prix of Monaco
08/06 CAN Grand Prix of Canada
22/06 AUT Grand Prix of Austria
06/07 GBR Grand Prix of Great Britain
20/07 DEU Grand Prix of Germany
27/07 HUN Grand Prix of Hungary
24/08 BEL Grand Prix of Belgium
07/09 ITA Grand Prix of Italy
21/09 SGP Grand Prix of Singapore
05/10 JPN Grand Prix of Japan
12/10 RUS Grand Prix of Russia
02/11 USA Grand Prix of USA (Austin)
09/11 BRA Grand Prix of Brazil
23/11 ARE Grand Prix of Abu Dhabi

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Posted 09 December 2013 - 19:44

Double points for final race of season.



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Posted 09 December 2013 - 19:52

Not sure how to feel about that, but what I do like is this.

 

 

 

Drivers will be asked to choose their race number, between 2 and 99, for the duration of their career in the FIA Formula One World Championship. Number 1 will be reserved for the current World Champion, should he choose to use it.

If more than one driver choses the same number, priority will be given to the driver who finished highest in the previous year’s championship.

 

Source: http://www.fia.com/f...ulation-changes



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Posted 09 December 2013 - 19:52

Permanent number for drivers now too. http://www.autosport...t.php/id/111796

 

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Posted 09 December 2013 - 19:59

I can live with the permanent numbers - the older ones among us will remember the numbering system up until the mid-90s, which was basically permanent.

 

But double points for the final race? What is this I don't even...



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Posted 09 December 2013 - 20:12

Isn't there another series (Formula EE i think) that allow viewers to vote on the driver to get a boost for the next race?

This double points thing reminds me of that. If a teams dominates through out the season. Then they deserve to win.

Not lose out because of the double points rule.

 

While watching Vettel win every race was boring. Red Bull has the best car and did the best job and deserved to win.



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Posted 09 December 2013 - 20:16

Driving in the middle of the desert with mile-wide run off areas is twice as challenging as Monaco (Y)



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Posted 09 December 2013 - 20:34

Isn't there another series (Formula EE i think) that allow viewers to vote on the driver to get a boost for the next race?

Yep, Formula E. They're using the "Push-to-Pass" system like in IndyCar and the ill-fated A1GP, only they're also allowing fans to vote via Twitter to give one of the drivers an extra "Push-to-Pass" for each race. Pretty big downer to what has the potential to be a good series. On the bright side though, no DRS. :p



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Posted 10 December 2013 - 15:28

The rule should be double point on the first few races. It would actually give a chance to middle team who developed a great car during winter put can't follow the development pace of the big team.



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Posted 10 December 2013 - 19:00

Someone over at F1 Fanatic went through every single season of F1 to see what would have happened if the double points final race rule were in effect...

 

 

1950: No change, champion Farina won the last race

 
1951: No change, champion Fangio won the last race,
 
1952: No change, champion Ascari won the last race
 
1953: Fangio would be champion instead of Ascari. Even though Ascari would still have scored more points over the season (46.5 vs 29.5+8= 37.5) The rule of the time of only the top results from each half of the season counting would mean Fangio would lead Ascari 36 to 34.5 due to winning the last race
 
1954: No change, Hawthorn won the last race, but this would not make up his deficit to Fangio, he would displace Gonzalez as the runner up though.
 
1955: No change, champion Fangio won the last race
 
1956: Moss would be champion over Fangio having won the last race, the score would be 35 Moss to 30 Fangio, instead of 27 Moss to 30 Fangio .Both had to discard points due to the rules, actual scores were 28 Moss vs 33 Fangio. Fangio would have had to ditch his second place at the last race if you count discarding his worst result as discarding his worst finish. If you say discarding his worst result would mean discarding the least points he would discard a victory, losing 8 but gaing 12 due to his double scoring second place at the last race. Still leaving him runner up at 35 to 34
 
1957: No change, Moss won the last race but this would not be enough to catch Fangio
 
1958: Moss would displace Hawthorn as champion having won the last race. The score would be Moss 49 vs Hawthorn 48 (55 for hawthorn before discarding points)
 
1959: No change, Bruce Mclaren won the last race but ended up only 6th in the standings Tony brooks would equal Jack Brabhams score of 31, but Brabham would still take the title on countback, having one more 3d place
 
1960: No change, Moss won the last race, but didn’t contest the full season
 
1961: No change, Innes Ireland won the last race but was only 6th in the standings, the top 3 either didn’t start the last race or retired. Dan gurny would be 3d over Moss
 
1962: No change champion Hill won the last race Bruce Mclaren would beat Clark to second instead of being 3d
 
1963: No change champion Clark won the last race
 
1964: No change, Dan Gurney won the last race but was only 6th in the standings
 
1965: No change, Richie Ginther won the last race but was only 7th in the standings, the top 3 all retired
 
1966: No change, Surtees won the last race, but it would not be enough to promote him from second to first over Brabham even if Jack would not also pick up double points for finishinh second
 
1967: No change, Jim Clark won the last race, But Hulme and Brabham finished 3d and 2nd respectivly leaving the standings unaltered
 
1968: No change champion Hill won the last race
 
1969: No change, Hulme won the last race but was only 6th in the standings, runner up Ickx would not overtake Stewart even though he was second and Stewart only 4th in the final race
 
1970: Jacky Icks won the last race, this would have given him the championship at the expence of deceased Jochen Rindt
 
1971: No change Cevert won the last race, he would have overtaken Ronnie Peterson as runner up, but could not threaten Stewart
 
1972: No change, Jackie Stewart won the last race, but double points would still leave him well behind Fittipaldi
 
1973: No change, Peterson won the last race, promoting him to second over Fittipaldi, butt Stewart still takes the crown
 
1974: No change, Carlos Reutermann won the last race but was only 6th in the standings
 
1975: No change champion Lauda won the last race
 
1976: No change, Mario Andretti won the last race but was only 6th in the standings, champion hunt finished 3d, enough to give him the title
 
1977: No change, Hunt won the last race but was only 5th in the standings
 
1978: No change, Gilles Villeneuve won the last race but was only 9th in the standings
 
1979: Giles Villeneuve would be champion over Schekter having won the last race by 56 over 51
points instad of 51-47 to scheckter ( 60-53 before discarding points) This is because Sheckter retired from the last race and scored no points
 
1980: No change champion Jones won the last race
 
1981: Alan Jones would win his second title at the expence of Piquet, beating him 55-52 instead of losing 50-46 (reuterman split the two at 49 promoting Jones from 3d to 1st with this rule)
 
1982: No change, Alboreto won the last race but was only 8th in the standings. Watson would move up to second in the championship from 3d with 45, but Rosberg would still take the title with 46
 
1983: No change, Patrese won the last race but was only 8th in the standings. Piquet finished 3d, his closest rivals retired
 
1984: Alain prost would win the last race and take the championship from Lauda 80.5 vs 78 (originally 72 vs 71.5 for Lauda)
 
1985: No change, Rosberg won the last race, the top 2 retired, but rosberg would remain 3d in the championship
 
1986: No change champion Prost won the last race, Piquet would beat Mansell to second in the standings having finished the last race as runner up with Mansell retiring
 
1987: No change, Berger won the last race but was only 5th in the standings, the top 3 didn’t score
 
1988: No change, Prost and Senna would both have 96 points. But Senna would still win the title having one more win then Prost
 
1989: No change, top 2 both retired, Boutsen won but was not in championship contention at 5th in the standings
 
1990: No change Piquet won the last race but would remain third, Prost would go from 71 to 75, but still lose to Senna at 78
 
1991: No Change, champion Senna won the last race, runner up Mansell was second
 
1992: No change, Mansell would still be champion by an enormous margin, but Berger winning the last race would have promoted from 5th to 3d and Schumacher would be promoted from 3d to runner up
 
1993: No change, Prost would remain champion over Senna by 105 to 82 instead of 99 over 73
 
1994: No change, championship contenders Hill and Schumacher both retired
 
1995: No change, Hill won the last race after Schumacher retired but was way to far behind
 
1996: No change, champion Hill won the last race
 
1997: No change, Villeneuve was third, but schumacher retired,winner and runner up Hakinnen and Coultard were not in the top of the standings
 
1998: No change, champion Hakkinen won the last race
 
1999: No change, champion Hakkinen won the last race
 
2000: No change, champion Schumacher won the last race
 
2001: No change, champion Schumacher won the last race
 
2002: No change, champion Schumacher won the last race
 
2003: Raikonnen would beat Schumacher to the title with 99 to 94
 
2004: No change, Monyoya won but was only 5th in the standings
 
2005: No change, champion Alonso won the last race
 
2006: No change, champion Alonso was 2nd in the last race, challenger schumacher only 4th, winner Massa was too far behind
 
2007: No change, champion Raikonnen won the last race
 
2008: As already stated, Massa would beat Hamilton to the title
 
2009: No change, champion Vettel won the last race, but champion Button was 3d and too far ahead
 
2010: No change, champion Vettel won the last race, Hamilton would be promoted to 3d over Webber
 
2011: No change, champion Vettel won the last and no changes in the top 3
 
2012: Alonso would be champion over Vettel with 296 over 289 instead of losing 281 to 278, Button would be 3d instead of 5th having won the final race
 
2013: No change, champion Vettel won the last race

 

 

TL;DR version...

 

  • Juan Manuel Fangio would lose the 1956 but gain the 1953 title, so still a 5-time champion.
  • Alberto Ascari would only have one title instead of two
  • Mike Hawthorn wouldn't be a champion
  • Stirling Moss would be a double champion
  • Jacky Ickx would be a champion instead of Jochen Rindt
  • Gilles Villeneuve would be a champion instead of Jody Scheckter
  • Alan Jones would be a double champion
  • Nelson Piquet would be a double champion instead of triple
  • Niki Lauda would be a double champion instead of triple
  • Alain Prost would be a 5-time champion instead of 4
  • Schumacher would be a 6-time champion instead of 7
  • Kimi Raikkonen would be a double champion
  • Fernando Alonso would be a triple champion
  • Felipe Massa would be a champion instead of Lewis Hamilton
  • Sebastian Vettel would be a triple world champion instead of quadruple.