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Hello,

I apoligize for the thread before this as now Ive been told something completely different.

This PC will be geared towards SolidWorks Simulation 2012 and running simulations.

Lets work with this build and work up staying near budget:

(I cant switch to Xeon because we already have four Dell 8GB 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM Unbuffered DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) modules for a total of 32GB of RAM and using quad channel. I believe there are no Xeon that work with non ECC RAM):

Intel Core i7-4770K 278.10?

Seasonic X650W SemiFANLESS 147.50?

Samsung 840 Pro SSD Series 256GB 194.30?

Asus DRW-24F1ST 14.80?

Corsair Obsidian Series 650D 153.90 ?

The reason I removed the Asrock Z87 OC Formula is because it does not support quad channel.

The case looks kinda "small" though....Maybe a larger Coolmaster would be better and keep everything a bit cooler? Also, please no lights: I doubt that is going to be accepted in the office....

Im willing to change/modify the Intel processor because it would be easier to overclock and the motherboard who has functions to make it overclock a lot easier and safer.

788,60 ?

All I am missing is a quad channel motherboard made with overclocking in mind, a professional workstation graphics card and cooling (lets O/C on air and be done with it).

Thank you

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Hello,

 

I apoligize if the following post might sound rude as I wrote down all the components for the PC I needed and Firefox crashed on me losing everything.

For motherboard, Im looking at the Asus P9X79 Deluxe (322?), ASUS SABERTOOTH X79 (288?), or ASUS X79-DELUXE (331?). All three of these look like good boards and all support quad channeling.

For case, Im liking the NZXT H630 (134?). Good silent case for a serious workspace. Silent and also ready for water cooling.

For the cooler, Im into the Noctua NH-D14 (68?). I have Noctua at home and very silent.

For the video card, Ive recieved a email from someone willing to help and he recommended (as a regular Solidworks Simulation workstation) a Quadro K2000 (382?)

Since the motherboard (and almost all) use LGA 2011, now Ill have to change processor. The Intel Core i7-3930K (508?) looks good.

So we are down to (without motherboard):

Intel Core i7-3930K 508?

Seasonic X650W SemiFANLESS 147.50?

Samsung 840 Pro SSD Series 256GB 194.30?

Asus DRW-24F1ST 14.80?

NZXT H630 134?

Noctua NH-D14 68?

Quadro K2000 382?

1448.60 ?

Looks good? Compatibility issues? Which motherboard?

Thanks

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Hello,

Xi Computer have sent me two configurations. Personally, I like the typical one a lot....only thing I see wrong is 4 cores but I imagine if I exclude the RAM (or set it min) I can problably go 6 cores.

Here are the three configs:

Mine:

Intel Core i7-3930K 6 cores 508?

Seasonic X650W SemiFANLESS 147.50?

Samsung 840 Pro SSD Series 256GB 194.30?

Asus DRW-24F1ST 14.80?

NZXT H630 134?

Noctua NH-D14 68?

Quadro K2000 382?

ASUS SABERTOOTH X79 287,99 ?

Arctic Silver 5 3.5gr 7,25 ?

1743,84 ? (excluding shipping and these are prices from different stores)

Typical:

SAVE QUOTE

PART# DESCRIPTION

PRICE

00013 XiR MTowerT PCIe Workstation (Base Configuration) $1,079.00

01859 IntelR CoreT i7-4770K @ 4.1GHz Silent Air Cooling w/12cm Fan 8MB

Shared L3 Cache DMI 2.0 Quad-Core 4th Gen. 22nm w/Artic SilverR 5 Thermal

Compound $299.00

02260 16GB DDR3 1866MHz CorsairR Vengeance Heatspread (Z87 or X79 MoBo

only) $199.00

04471 NVIDIAR QuadroR K2000 2GB DDR5 KeplerT Architecture PCIe 16x 2.0-1x

DVI-DL-2xDP-1x Stereo-Dual Head-3D Pro Support-DX11-OGL 4.3- Shad.M 5.0

$399.00

05015 No Monitor (credit) ($100.00)

03183 250GB Solid State Drive SamsungR 840 EVOT SATA 6Gb/s 540/520MB/s

Seq.R/W <.3ms seek Shock Resistant 1500G. $159.00

32129 Optional 1TB 7200RPM SATA Gb/s SeagateR BarracudaT 64MB Cache NCQ

ST1000DM003 $89.00

17012 HDD Std Ctrl. accordingly to Motherboard and HDD Type Selected

Incl. w/ Base

23011 SATA/SAS bay module accordingly to case selected, May require add'l

controller to support SAS drives. Incl. w/ Base

06061 DVD+RW/DL/+R-R/CD-RW Double Media 4.7/8.5GB 18x $29.00

09007 On-Board sound accordingly to motherboard specifications

Incl. w/ Base

12001 On-Board Network port(s) accordingly to motherboard specifications

Incl. w/ Base

13001 LogitechR Corded Black Windows Keyboard Incl. w/ Base

14010 LogitechR Corded 2+ Wheel Mouse Black Optical Incl. w/ Base

16084 Genuine MicrosoftR WindowsR 7 Professional Edition 64Bit on DVD

(32Bit & XP Pro downgrade avail. on request) $59.00

35022 McAfeeR VirusScanR Plus Anti-virus/Anti-Spyware/Firewall/Web Site

Safety Rating one year w/media OEM (WSL) Incl. w/ Base

35025 Mouse Pad & Balsa Glider w/ Xi logo. (Assorted, design may vary).

Incl. w/ Base

20090 Resource Media - contains Diagnostic links & Drivers Incl. w/

Base

20091 @Xi Computer User's Guide Manual (PDF) Incl. w/ Base

22287 ASUSR Z87-PRO IntelR Z87 Express C.S-2xPCIe 3.0/2.0x16-1xPCIe

2.0x16(x4)-4xPCIe 2.0x1-Dual Ch.DDR3 2800(OC)/1333-1xGb LAN-WiFi GO!-BT- 6xSATA6Gbs-2xSATA6Gbs RAID 0/1/5/10-HD Audio-8CH-8x/6xUSB

2.0/3.0-DVI-HDMI-DP1.2-SLI&CFX Supp. $79.00

44041 720W 12cm Silent Fan- +12V Rails- ATX12V / EPS12V PSU (or otherwise

superseded by embedded Case/PS) Incl. w/ Base

27148 XiR MTowerT CM-HAF 922 High Ventilation 2x20cm+1x12cm Quiet Fans

-Front & Side Grid-2x FrontUSB+eSATA- 5x 5 1/4" 5x 3 1/2" $49.00

18001 Standard Xi Warranty w/Express Advance Parts Replacement, One Year

on System, Mfg. on Monitor Incl. w/ Base

47002 NEMA 5-15P to C13 Wall Plug, 125 Volt, 16AWG, 5 Feet. Standard

Computer AC power Cord Incl. w/ Base

Total Delivered (shipping included):

$2,643.42 (1950,34 ?)

Hi end:

PRICE

00013 XiR MTowerT PCIe Workstation (Base Configuration) $1,079.00

01859 IntelR CoreT i7-4770K @ 4.1GHz Silent Air Cooling w/12cm Fan 8MB

Shared L3 Cache DMI 2.0 Quad-Core 4th Gen. 22nm w/Artic SilverR 5 Thermal

Compound $299.00

02262 32GB DDR3 1866MHz CorsairR Vengeance Heatspread 4x 8GB (Z87 or X79

MoBo only) $439.00

04472 NVIDIAR QuadroR K4000 3GB DDR5 KeplerT Architecture PCIe 16x 2.0-1x

DVI-DL-2xDP-1x Stereo-Dual Head-3D Pro Support-DX11-OGL 4.3- Shad.M 5.0

$729.00

05015 No Monitor (credit) ($100.00)

03182 500GB Solid State Drive SamsungR 840 EVOT SATA 6Gb/s 540/520MB/s

Seq.R/W <.3ms seek Shock Resistant 1500G. $329.00

32129 Optional 1TB 7200RPM SATA Gb/s SeagateR BarracudaT 64MB Cache NCQ

ST1000DM003 $89.00

17012 HDD Std Ctrl. accordingly to Motherboard and HDD Type Selected

Incl. w/ Base

23011 SATA/SAS bay module accordingly to case selected, May require add'l

controller to support SAS drives. Incl. w/ Base

06061 DVD+RW/DL/+R-R/CD-RW Double Media 4.7/8.5GB 18x $29.00

09007 On-Board sound accordingly to motherboard specifications

Incl. w/ Base

12001 On-Board Network port(s) accordingly to motherboard specifications

Incl. w/ Base

13001 LogitechR Corded Black Windows Keyboard Incl. w/ Base

14010 LogitechR Corded 2+ Wheel Mouse Black Optical Incl. w/ Base

16084 Genuine MicrosoftR WindowsR 7 Professional Edition 64Bit on DVD

(32Bit & XP Pro downgrade avail. on request) $59.00

35022 McAfeeR VirusScanR Plus Anti-virus/Anti-Spyware/Firewall/Web Site

Safety Rating one year w/media OEM (WSL) Incl. w/ Base

35025 Mouse Pad & Balsa Glider w/ Xi logo. (Assorted, design may vary).

Incl. w/ Base

20090 Resource Media - contains Diagnostic links & Drivers Incl. w/

Base

20091 @Xi Computer User's Guide Manual (PDF) Incl. w/ Base

22287 ASUSR Z87-PRO IntelR Z87 Express C.S-2xPCIe 3.0/2.0x16-1xPCIe

2.0x16(x4)-4xPCIe 2.0x1-Dual Ch.DDR3 2800(OC)/1333-1xGb LAN-WiFi GO!-BT- 6xSATA6Gbs-2xSATA6Gbs RAID 0/1/5/10-HD Audio-8CH-8x/6xUSB

2.0/3.0-DVI-HDMI-DP1.2-SLI&CFX Supp. $79.00

44041 720W 12cm Silent Fan- +12V Rails- ATX12V / EPS12V PSU (or otherwise

superseded by embedded Case/PS) Incl. w/ Base

27148 XiR MTowerT CM-HAF 922 High Ventilation 2x20cm+1x12cm Quiet Fans

-Front & Side Grid-2x FrontUSB+eSATA- 5x 5 1/4" 5x 3 1/2" $49.00

18001 Standard Xi Warranty w/Express Advance Parts Replacement, One Year

on System, Mfg. on Monitor Incl. w/ Base

47002 NEMA 5-15P to C13 Wall Plug, 125 Volt, 16AWG, 5 Feet. Standard

Computer AC power Cord Incl. w/ Base

Total Delivered (shipping included):

$3,331.62 (2457.75 ?)

I highly recommend the typical build just because of the warranty (even if it is across the ocean).

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It really comes down to your budget

 

do you want to spend up to $2k or happy to spend over $3k?

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Hello,

It really comes down to your budget

 

do you want to spend up to $2k or happy to spend over $3k?

Lets keep it to $2k (People changing their damn mind too often better to keep it low)

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Not to burst any bubbles but you aren't going to be able to push a 4770K too far on air.  If you do not delid the chip, don't expect anything above 4.5Ghz  (you may get a bit more but not likely as a rule).  The voltage normally required to go beyond 4.5ish pretty much dictates a better cooling scenario. The other issue is that it appears some chips will OC and some won't regardless of volts so you may land up with a chip that does 4.2GHz and that's it regardless of volts.

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Z87 only supports dual channel RAM. As you found out if quad channel RAM is a requirement, you'll have to go X79.

 

There's very little price difference between the i7-3930K and the i7-4930K (Sandy Bridge vs Ivy Bridge), so you might want to go for the latter. Although the former has a better reputation for overclocking, so that's a tough decision to weigh I guess.

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Hello,

Not to burst any bubbles but you aren't going to be able to push a 4770K too far on air.  If you do not delid the chip, don't expect anything above 4.5Ghz  (you may get a bit more but not likely as a rule).  The voltage normally required to go beyond 4.5ish pretty much dictates a better cooling scenario. The other issue is that it appears some chips will OC and some won't regardless of volts so you may land up with a chip that does 4.2GHz and that's it regardless of volts.

I think all of those systems with the 4770K are preoverclocked at 4.1Ghz

 

 

going along with the last post

 

why do u want to stick to air?

 

why not use a closed loop water cool?

 

like this?

 

http://www.corsair.com/hydro-series-h80-high-performance-liquid-cpu-cooler.html

Simplity. Too much changing of mind so lets keep nice and simple.

 

 

Z87 only supports dual channel RAM. As you found out if quad channel RAM is a requirement, you'll have to go X79.

 

There's very little price difference between the i7-3930K and the i7-4930K (Sandy Bridge vs Ivy Bridge), so you might want to go for the latter. Although the former has a better reputation for overclocking, so that's a tough decision to weigh I guess.

Ah, something I didnt take in account for. Thanks :)

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As you can see, I have more to choose from and there are a couple of X79s in there....

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fwiw, the Corsair closed loop coolers are just as easy (or difficult) to install as a regular HSF. You'll get cooler temps and better overclocks.

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Hello,

fwiw, the Corsair closed loop coolers are just as easy (or difficult) to install as a regular HSF. You'll get cooler temps and better overclocks.

Just read 2 horror stories on a Corsair closed loop cooler. If it was my PC I would say "what the hell" but since it isnt, I cant risk it...

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I run a Corsair H80i, it's easy as peasy. You have nothing to worry about, as long as you don't order it from eBay or have it modded.

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Hello,

I run a Corsair H80i, it's easy as peasy. You have nothing to worry about, as long as you don't order it from eBay or have it modded.

I was looking at that case you have (CoolerMaster HAF 922) but discarded it because of the lights.

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You can turn off the lights, both the top (older model) and the front bottom. Lights are no problem.

 

And also, unless you are in a dark room, you won't notice the lights.

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Hello,

You can turn off the lights, both the top (older model) and the front bottom. Lights are no problem.

 

And also, unless you are in a dark room, you won't notice the lights.

I didnt mention it in the first post because this is a split from another thread, but this is for a office.

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I also recommend a Corsair Hydro cooler.  I've had the H50 for years, and it's been nothing but great.  I had my i7 up to 4.5GHz with no problems.  I don't see how anybody would have horror stories about them.  It's a very very simple system that mounts just as easy as any other cooler.  It's smaller, quieter, and runs cooler than air, so it's a no-brainer.  Overclocking isn't going to give you any earth shattering gains anyway.  The CPU is the most overpowered component in a PC by a very very long margin.  The only thing you'll really gain is a benchmark score, but that equates to nothing useful.

 

Also, in my opinion, spending that much money for quad channel RAM is a complete waste of money.  You'll see very very little difference in real-world performance.  You'd be much better off buying 16 or 32GB of dual channel and applying a slight overclock.  Honestly, you'll save yourself hundreds of dollars by going that route.

 

http://www.legitreviews.com/ddr3-memory-performance-analysis-on-intel-x79_1779/3

 

The Quadro and i7 are the important parts since you'll be doing solid modeling.  I have a Quadro in my laptop, and it's a beast.

You don't need to go crazy on a motherboard, RAM, and case.  Just get something simple that fits your needs.  Put as much money as you can into the GPU, and everything else really doesn't matter.  The more you spend, the more you're probably wasting.  Just my $0.02.

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Question here...

 

If solidworks does not write to the HDD while processing why are you bothering with the SSD?

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Hello,

I also recommend a Corsair Hydro cooler.  I've had the H50 for years, and it's been nothing but great.  I had my i7 up to 4.5GHz with no problems.  I don't see how anybody would have horror stories about them.

Well, horror stories are posted before good stories on the internet so.....  :/


  

Also, in my opinion, spending that much money for quad channel RAM is a complete waste of money.  You'll see very very little difference in real-world performance.  You'd be much better off buying 16 or 32GB of dual channel and applying a slight overclock.  Honestly, you'll save yourself hundreds of dollars by going that route.
 
http://www.legitreviews.com/ddr3-memory-performance-analysis-on-intel-x79_1779/3

I already have the RAM and I thought to myself that quad channeling it is the best way to go (since I have 4 modules of the same size)
 
 

The Quadro and i7 are the important parts since you'll be doing solid modeling.  I have a Quadro in my laptop, and it's a beast.
You don't need to go crazy on a motherboard, RAM, and case.  Just get something simple that fits your needs.  Put as much money as you can into the GPU, and everything else really doesn't matter.  The more you spend, the more you're probably wasting.  Just my $0.02.

The Quadro actually isnt too important in simulation. Since there will be modeling, we do need a professional one but going extreme isnt needed.
 
 

Question here...
 
If solidworks does not write to the HDD while processing why are you bothering with the SSD?

Well, generally speaking, all programs load, open, etc and the OS starts quicker so....its for that purpose, nothing else. I doubt my coworker will want anything is not a SSD...


Thank you for all your opinions. He was sick yesterday so Ill ask him today about those 3 configs and see what he thinks....

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The Quadro actually isnt too important in simulation. Since there will be modeling, we do need a professional one but going extreme isnt needed.

That's actually not true.  Quadro cards are optimized for OpenGL performance, which is heavily used in CAD and solid modeling programs.  The laptop I was provided in engineering school has a Quadro, and it can run an extremely high resolution and power through large solid models with no stutter at all.  A regular GPU will struggle with these tasks.  It's a pretty old laptop now, so it's impressive what those cards are capable of.  The previous laptop I was given had an ATI FireGL in it, but the Quadro is a much better choice, imo.

 

If there's any component in the build that will give you the biggest benefits for solid modeling, it's absolutely the GPU.

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That's actually not true.  Quadro cards are optimized for OpenGL performance, which is heavily used in CAD and solid modeling programs.  The laptop I was provided in engineering school has a Quadro, and it can run an extremely high resolution and power through large solid models with no stutter at all.  A regular GPU will struggle with these tasks.  It's a pretty old laptop now, so it's impressive what those cards are capable of.  The previous laptop I was given had an ATI FireGL in it, but the Quadro is a much better choice, imo.

 

If there's any component in the build that will give you the biggest benefits for solid modeling, it's absolutely the GPU.

Theres a confusing term here which needs to be cleared up: Simulation and modeling.

Of course since models are going to be simulated you need a good graphics card but the models we make are not complex at all. We do a lot more than simulation than models complex figures...

In a normal modeling program, you are completely correct about the GPU being the most important. But in this case, no.

Talk about beating a dead horse: Now he is sick so I cant comment with him any of the builds.

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Theres a confusing term here which needs to be cleared up: Simulation and modeling.

Of course since models are going to be simulated you need a good graphics card but the models we make are not complex at all. We do a lot more than simulation than models complex figures...

In a normal modeling program, you are completely correct about the GPU being the most important. But in this case, no.

Talk about beating a dead horse: Now he is sick so I cant comment with him any of the builds.

Ah ok.  I saw that you mentioned SolidWorks, so I assumed you'd be doing, at worst case, complex modeling or FEA, etc etc.

But yeah if you won't be doing super complex modeling or sims, you can probably get away without a Quadro.

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Hello,

Ah ok.  I saw that you mentioned SolidWorks, so I assumed you'd be doing, at worst case, complex modeling or FEA, etc etc.

But yeah if you won't be doing super complex modeling or sims, you can probably get away without a Quadro.

Yes, I apoligize as maybe I havent stated clear that it is only for simulation...

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Hello,

I think I got the final build ready (thanks to you and my coworker, Im goign Cosiar Hydro like you guys mentioned):

Intel Core i7-4820k LGA 2011 288.36 ?

Seasonic 520W Fanless SS-520FL2 164?

Samsung 840 Pro SSD Series 256GB 194.30?

Asus DRW-24F1ST 14.80?

NZXT H630 134?

Corsair Hydro Series H110 107?

NVIDIA Quadro K2000 2 GB 382,02 ?

MSI X79 Big Bang XPower II 341,09 ?

Arctic Silver 5 3.5gr 7,25 ?

1632,80?

That MSI has NASTY overclocking features. A 3960X with 3.3 Ghz (3.9 Ghz) was OCd to 5.0 Ghz on the board.

I only have doubts about the PSU. I know Seasonic is great but is 520W enough? Also, I imagine the kit of DDR3 RAM, SNP66GKYC/8GB, should be compatible.

Besides that (and if Im not missing anything stupid from the build :p ), this build looks solid and more than enough.

Should I go for it and buy it?

Thank you.

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520W might be cutting it. I'd rather get a Corsair TX650 or TX750

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i agree with Mindovermaster.

 

especially if you plan on overclocking you don't want to change undercutting yourself on the PSU. it's always good practice to give yourself a good amount of headroom with the PSU

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