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#1 vetJohn Callaham

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Posted 03 April 2014 - 02:08

So the Start menu will officially be returning to the desktop in a future update for Windows 8.1..what do you guys think about this development? Is Microsoft doing the right thing in bringing back a feature that's been highly requested by many users or do you feel that the company should just let the Start menu go?

 

http://www.neowin.ne...g-to-windows-81




#2 The_Observer

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Posted 03 April 2014 - 02:11

how long before they bring back Windows XP!



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Posted 03 April 2014 - 02:13

Oh yeah, definitely the right move, and it's done in a way that should make most people happy. IMO it's the perfect fusion of desktop functionality (MFU and jumplists) and modern apps/live tiles on the fully customizable right pane.  It takes the old menu and re-imagines it in a way that makes sense and is still highly functional for users of traditional PC's without touch.



#4 Lord Method Man

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Posted 03 April 2014 - 02:15

Clearly this is a topic that hasn't seen enough discussion on Neowin.



#5 Dot Matrix

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Posted 03 April 2014 - 02:19

They should have never brought back ancient 2001 functionality. It should have been based off the live tiles alone.



#6 PGHammer

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Posted 03 April 2014 - 02:20

Clearly this is a topic that hasn't seen enough discussion on Neowin.

It's kissing up - I understand why they did it; however, I wish they didn't have to.

 

This particular feature I will avoid/avoid/avoid - and it's not because I'm a fan of touch-screens, either.



#7 articuno1au

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Posted 03 April 2014 - 02:24

I think it's a mistake.

 

Windows 8 has done really well in retail. Most of the complaints seem to center around there being no desktop anymore.. I'm not kidding, that's what most consumers complain about with it. Once shown and explained why the start screen is the way it is and its benefits, people take to it like a duck to water.

 

The only change I would have made would be a desktop setting that made the desktop versions of the apps the default for PC's. i.e. No XBox Video/Music for opening your files, WMP instead. This addresses the most common returning customer complaint.

 

I legitimately dislike that MS have backpedaled after wearing the brunt of all the annoyance from people for so long. Very derpy..



#8 Dot Matrix

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Posted 03 April 2014 - 02:26

This proves that Microsoft isn't going to get anywhere, in making changes to the OS. Half of this code dates back to the 90's... Why are we still trying to hold onto it? Times have changed, operating systems have changed, it's more than time to let some of this backwards functionality go.

 

Windows is a mess of code, registries, and other assorted outdated paradigms. Metro was that clean break to start over.



#9 PGHammer

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Posted 03 April 2014 - 02:35

I think it's a mistake.

 

Windows 8 has done really well in retail. Most of the complaints seem to center around there being no desktop anymore.. I'm not kidding, that's what most consumers complain about with it. Once shown and explained why the start screen is the way it is and its benefits, people take to it like a duck to water.

 

The only change I would have made would be a desktop setting that made the desktop versions of the apps the default for PC's. i.e. No XBox Video/Music for opening your files, WMP instead. This addresses the most common returning customer complaint.

 

I legitimately dislike that MS have backpedaled after wearing the brunt of all the annoyance from people for so long. Very derpy..

 

That is what FUD (in this case, mostly misplaced FEAR) has done.

 

Not one of the critics has come up with any evidence that applications (desktop applications) rely on the Start menu - none at all. As opposed to Start menu shortcuts, we have StartScreen (or AppScreen) shortcuts instead.  Need to add a shortcut (from either one) to the Taskbar (Taskbar pinning ala 7)?  You can do that rather easily - from either screen.  Once my primary applications have been pinned, I find myself not needing to visit the AppScreen much.

 

The complainers didn't like their gravy train being derailed.



#10 brianshapiro

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Posted 03 April 2014 - 02:38

I think it's a mistake.

 

I'm happy and all that the people who were complaining get to like their machines better...

 

I, personally, just don't think it was a problem that really needed to be solved. The criticism always seemed just to be armchair criticism.



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Posted 03 April 2014 - 02:43

They should have never brought back ancient 2001 functionality. It should have been based off the live tiles alone.

Jumplists and start search didn't exist in 2001 so try again.  And for what it's worth MFU is actually quite usable and has been shown to improve workflow, so think what you want about it but it's a good move.



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Posted 03 April 2014 - 02:46

I prefer a hidden Start menu over 101 screaming screen tiles/icons. ;)

 

At least Microsoft should give the individual user the choice.



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Posted 03 April 2014 - 02:46

This proves that Microsoft isn't going to get anywhere, in making changes to the OS. Half of this code dates back to the 90's... Why are we still trying to hold onto it? Times have changed, operating systems have changed, it's more than time to let some of this backwards functionality go.

 

Windows is a mess of code, registries, and other assorted outdated paradigms. Metro was that clean break to start over.

I really beg to differ with this, they are getting somewhere.  They are FINALLY building a unified OS that has a dynamic user experience that is dictated by the type of hardware you are using.  It's one Windows for everyone with a UI that is adjusted specifically for the type of device it is running on.  There is absolutely nothing wrong with this approach and IMO it's what they should have done with Windows 8 in the first place.



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Posted 03 April 2014 - 03:23

I really beg to differ with this, they are getting somewhere.  They are FINALLY building a unified OS that has a dynamic user experience that is dictated by the type of hardware you are using.  It's one Windows for everyone with a UI that is adjusted specifically for the type of device it is running on.  There is absolutely nothing wrong with this approach and IMO it's what they should have done with Windows 8 in the first place.

Chris123NT, it's really not any more "unified" than it has ever been.  What was added was a kiss-up for the pointing-device-centric - nothing more.

ModernUI is still around, and so is the Windows (app) Store - expect both to still be complained about.

 

The Start menu's return is not in this update, but in a future update; worse, all THAT does is screw over third-party software that did the same thing (such as ClassicShell and Start8).

 

I use neither one (or any other third-party "bringback"), because, as a keyboard-centric (not pointing-device-centric) user, I have no respect or love whatever for the Start menu, and I'm not putting it back with Update 2, either (if at all avoidable).  Why screw over third parties?



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Posted 03 April 2014 - 03:37

I use neither one (or any other third-party "bringback"), because, as a keyboard-centric (not pointing-device-centric) user, I have no respect or love whatever for the Start menu, and I'm not putting it back with Update 2, either (if at all avoidable).  Why screw over third parties?

you doing it wrong,

after you press "WinKey" you can immediately press keyboard's keys for search, as added bonus: you can still view your other works as it wont be obscured by screen full of tiles.