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Microsoft will shut down the Xbox Entertainment Studios, ending an ambitious foray into original video programming.
 
The Santa Monica studio, with its estimated 200 employees, will be shuttered as Microsoft focuses on strengthening its core videogame business. The move is part of Microsoft

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Phil is all about the games nuff said.

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I'm glad they're finishing up the Halo stuff, but I wasn't particularly excited about anything else they had lined up.

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Looks like they may have shut too much of their entertainment down! Xbox Music and Video on Windows PC's and phones is down!   /sarcasm

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So much for that then...

 

Seems a few pundits online believe the lukewarm reaction to Sony's announcements at E3 were the final nail in the coffin.

 

I'm all for putting that money towards new IP (not splinters of existing IP), but it looks like MS need to rethink their TV strat.

 

 

 

The forums and front page can post the same news. Discussions are usually more in depth here for starters.

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They of course don't need their own studio for any  of the planned stuff. In fact contracting may not be just cheaper, but also give better quality

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As much as I am a Xbox fan, all this flip flopping is getting a bit long in the tooth.

The Xbox has just about gotten away from everything I loved about it.

I don't need 2 like consoles.

May 2013, was everything I wanted... Without ever experiencing it, I knew that was the way I wanted it...

The Xbox One has almost NO differentiating factors to sell itself... Never thought I would say that...

As annoying as Mattrick was, he was actually right. People should of just bought or stuck with the 360.

All people really want is a 360 with a spruced up graphics card?
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Ah the old TV TV TV joke, never gets old......


Anyway, I'm disappointed that it was not working for them. Since they are abandoning those plans, it leaves Sony with a clear advantage. As they roll out their TV-like service for the ps4, MS will have nothing to counter it. Of course, most that post around here have little interest in such content on either console, but there is actually a large group of consumers that do and will make use of such a service from Sony.

We will see if MS has other ideas for shoring up the entertainment side of things going forward.

Of course getting more gaming content because of this would be nice, but I have my doubts that it will change many minds.


As much as I am a Xbox fan, all this flip flopping is getting a bit long in the tooth.

The Xbox has just about gotten away from everything I loved about it.



Don't waste your time typing things like this. Honestly, your in a minority group that wants or likes those types of features online. Most posting here have no interest and very much want what you describe. They, at best, tolerate non-gaming features and if they own an X1, barely use the thing at all beyond the rare game that they want. They want something that plays better games and that is it. The online community has spoken, and MS has listened. You can't really blame MS for actually doing what people ask them to do.

Every step MS has taken can be traced back to negative feedback.

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As much as I am a Xbox fan, all this flip flopping is getting a bit long in the tooth.

The Xbox has just about gotten away from everything I loved about it.

I don't need 2 like consoles.

May 2013, was everything I wanted... Without ever experiencing it, I knew that was the way I wanted it...

The Xbox One has almost NO differentiating factors to sell itself... Never thought I would say that...

As annoying as Mattrick was, he was actually right. People should of just bought or stuck with the 360.

All people really want is a 360 with a spruced up graphics card?

 

Agree and disagree with you. I don't believe we need that many differentiating factors - better performance and graphics to me are 90% of what constitutes progress, and in performance i also include the much faster UI, faster downloads, improved controller, and many other factors. However, MS are all over the place and as you said this flip flopping is indeed too much. Now that it's at the cost of people's jobs, it's no longer even amusing anymore.

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Agree and disagree with you. I don't believe we need that many differentiating factors - better performance and graphics to me are 90% of what constitutes progress, and in performance i also include the much faster UI, faster downloads, improved controller, and many other factors. However, MS are all over the place and as you said this flip flopping is indeed too much. Now that it's at the cost of people's jobs, it's no longer even amusing anymore.


Again, this is what the internet demanded. They demanded that MS stop the 'silly' interest in non-gaming content.

So shutting down this studio makes perfect sense. Why keep these people around if there is no demand for the content.

I find it funny how people get upset with MS for being 'all over the place' or 'flip flopping' when almost every step is a step most around here and elsewhere said must be done. No pats on the back for MS following through.

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Again, this is what the internet demanded. They demanded that MS stop the 'silly' interest in non-gaming content.

So shutting down this studio makes perfect sense. Why keep these people around if there is no demand for the content.

I find it funny how people get upset with MS for being 'all over the place' or 'flip flopping' when almost every step is a step most around here and elsewhere said must be done. No pats on the back for MS following through.

 

There's surely middle ground between their vision and accommodating the demands of the user base that don't involve disrupting the lives of hundreds of employees!

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Again, this is what the internet demanded. They demanded that MS stop the 'silly' interest in non-gaming content.

So shutting down this studio makes perfect sense. Why keep these people around if there is no demand for the content.

I find it funny how people get upset with MS for being 'all over the place' or 'flip flopping' when almost every step is a step most around here and elsewhere said must be done. No pats on the back for MS following through.


What I find funny is how easily you seem to roll over to common interest lately rather than thinking for yourself.

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they just recently opened new stores too. Does this affect MSFT stores? or is this strictly internal?

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As much as I am a Xbox fan, all this flip flopping is getting a bit long in the tooth.

The Xbox has just about gotten away from everything I loved about it.

I don't need 2 like consoles.

May 2013, was everything I wanted... Without ever experiencing it, I knew that was the way I wanted it...

The Xbox One has almost NO differentiating factors to sell itself... Never thought I would say that...

As annoying as Mattrick was, he was actually right. People should of just bought or stuck with the 360.

All people really want is a 360 with a spruced up graphics card?

Sums up my thoughts quite nicely. I loved your comment about May 2013 in particular.

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As much as I am a Xbox fan, all this flip flopping is getting a bit long in the tooth.

The Xbox has just about gotten away from everything I loved about it.

I don't need 2 like consoles.

May 2013, was everything I wanted... Without ever experiencing it, I knew that was the way I wanted it...

The Xbox One has almost NO differentiating factors to sell itself... Never thought I would say that...

As annoying as Mattrick was, he was actually right. People should of just bought or stuck with the 360.

All people really want is a 360 with a spruced up graphics card?

 

I've been saying for a while that we should bring back modular consoles.  The Sega Dreamcast, SNES, Nintendo Gamecube, Nintendo 64, Sega Genesis, even some earlier models of the PS1, all had the capability for add-on hardware via a port or something they had put in them.  None of them were really fleshed out as much as they could have been, but I don't see why we can't make consoles user upgrade-able.  Need more RAM?  Put in this expansion card, like the old N64 had.  Been 2 or 3 years since launch and games need more powerful graphics hardware?  Just plug and play this piece of the console and kablamo!

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in ancient era, game console are modular & upgradeable (albeit limited), ask The MSX.

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None of the shows they announced/launched so far had appealed me (besides the Halo stuff). I didn't care for the Every street united, I don't care for the upcoming Atari documentary.

 

If Xbox had to cut fluff, this was the right place to bring down the axe.

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Ah the old TV TV TV joke, never gets old......Anyway, I'm disappointed that it was not working for them. Since they are abandoning those plans, it leaves Sony with a clear advantage. As they roll out their TV-like service for the ps4, MS will have nothing to counter it. Of course, most that post around here have little interest in such content on either console, but there is actually a large group of consumers that do and will make use of such a service from Sony.We will see if MS has other ideas for shoring up the entertainment side of things going forward.Of course getting more gaming content because of this would be nice, but I have my doubts that it will change many minds.Don't waste your time typing things like this. Honestly, your in a minority group that wants or likes those types of features online. Most posting here have no interest and very much want what you describe. They, at best, tolerate non-gaming features and if they own an X1, barely use the thing at all beyond the rare game that they want. They want something that plays better games and that is it. The online community has spoken, and MS has listened. You can't really blame MS for actually doing what people ask them to do.Every step MS has taken can be traced back to negative feedback.


I'm not a big Apple fan. But the one thing I loved about Steve Jobs, he didn't let people detour him. No matter how much bigger and better the competition was getting, he continued to stick to his guns.

I've never saw a company that was terrified to try different things. It's almost like MS are scared to breath without getting permission first.

You know that one thing that's a given on a video game consoles? Games. Games are a given. Does the One look like it's going to be starving for new games?. Nope. I do remember hearing the words "$1-billion budget for games alone".

I paid $500 for a box that was suppose to be my one stop shop for anything I wanted or needed without "I have other devices for that"

That was the whole point. Why would I want a bunch of devices if there is one device that can do everything in one shot.

I love my Roku,mbut I wouldn't need it on the same tv as my One. So now the Roku resides in the living room instead of the man cave.
I love my 360, and have a ton of games for it. It has now been shifted to a different room. My bedroom now has a ps3.

The One allows me (and I'm sure tons of other people) to move devices to other parts of the house.

And here's the really funny part, Amazon Fire Tv has some "like qualities" of the Xbox One with voice search.
Rumor has it that, Roku may be heading down that path. And Apple may push Siri along that path as well.

And as much as I don't want to drag competing consoles into this. It's doin the same thing. Only difference is talking about it less.
And watch it take off for them and be a success and MS will once again stand there and look stupid, as they try and play catch up again.

MS could of kept all these different features, all they had to do was not talk about them.

If all people want to hear about is games, then talk about games only. Then when the features release, let people know that it's released. That's all. Don't make it bigger than life. Just subtly release it and subtly announce it.
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There's surely middle ground between their vision and accommodating the demands of the user base that don't involve disrupting the lives of hundreds of employees!

 

I'm not sure, do you have a suggestion?

I suggest you red up on what the group was doing. Apparently, they had been doing a poor job all around behind the scenes. There were management issues, lack of success talking to content providers, lack of a coherent plan, etc. It did not sound good.


 

What I find funny is how easily you seem to roll over to common interest lately rather than thinking for yourself.



I haven't been sharing my personal feelings on it, so how am I not thinking for myself?

I was pointing out that people should no longer be shocked when MS takes steps to modify their plans based on feedback. I haven't mentioned if I'm a fan of the changes or not since its irrelevant. MS choices reflect the community's reaction. Its pretty simple.

For the record, I am very interested in non gaming content and that experience on the X1. I'm also interested in using Kinect. But defending those things or getting all upset as they get rolled back got tiresome a while back. Here and elsewhere, the majority are on the other side.
 
 

I'm not a big Apple fan. But the one thing I loved about Steve Jobs, he didn't let people detour him. No matter how much bigger and better the competition was getting, he continued to stick to his guns.

I've never saw a company that was terrified to try different things. It's almost like MS are scared to breath without getting permission first.


MS does not have fan base that Apple does to allow them to stick to their guns.

MS did get terrified. When you see the backlash that was given to them pre-launch, your darn right they were terrified. So since then, MS decided to change plans to best clean up the issues. Basically, that means a returned focus on games.
 

You know that one thing that's a given on a video game consoles? Games. Games are a given. Does the One look like it's going to be starving for new games?. Nope. I do remember hearing the words "$1-billion budget for games alone".

I paid $500 for a box that was suppose to be my one stop shop for anything I wanted or needed without "I have other devices for that"

That was the whole point. Why would I want a bunch of devices if there is one device that can do everything in one shot.

I love my Roku,mbut I wouldn't need it on the same tv as my One. So now the Roku resides in the living room instead of the man cave.
I love my 360, and have a ton of games for it. It has now been shifted to a different room. My bedroom now has a ps3.

The One allows me (and I'm sure tons of other people) to move devices to other parts of the house.

And here's the really funny part, Amazon Fire Tv has some "like qualities" of the Xbox One with voice search.
Rumor has it that, Roku may be heading down that path. And Apple may push Siri along that path as well.

And as much as I don't want to drag competing consoles into this. It's doin the same thing. Only difference is talking about it less.
And watch it take off for them and be a success and MS will once again stand there and look stupid, as they try and play catch up again.

MS could of kept all these different features, all they had to do was not talk about them.

If all people want to hear about is games, then talk about games only. Then when the features release, let people know that it's released. That's all. Don't make it bigger than life. Just subtly release it and subtly announce it.



I agree with you since I use the console in the same way, but again, MS catered to other users, not us.

I'm not so sure that simply not talking about features would have resulted in less backlash. It would not have changed Kinect's fate. Plus, it would have been a waste for MS if few even knew features existed.

MS just messed up some pr at the beginning and this is their punishment.


Oh and keep in mind that ending the original programming does not mean an end to more non gaming content. Phil mentioned that in this announcement. They are still pursuing entertainment apps and third party content.

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I'm not sure, do you have a suggestion?

I suggest you red up on what the group was doing. Apparently, they had been doing a poor job all around behind the scenes. There were management issues, lack of success talking to content providers, lack of a coherent plan, etc. It did not sound good.
 

 

That could well be and won't be a faker by saying I suddenly think MS should become a TV producer...MSNBC is quite enough :|

My only point is that apparently letting the whole team go is rash and drastic. Maybe they weren't let go, maybe they were re-assigned, I don't know. But as someone who knows the uncertainty of gainful employment in this day and age, I can relate. Especially since MS were so keen on TV production until literally a few days ago.

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That could well be and won't be a faker by saying I suddenly think MS should become a TV producer...MSNBC is quite enough :|
My only point is that apparently letting the whole team go is rash and drastic. Maybe they weren't let go, maybe they were re-assigned, I don't know. But as someone who knows the uncertainty of gainful employment in this day and age, I can relate. Especially since MS were so keen on TV production until literally a few days ago.


It is certainly not fun to have to abandon a project that you believed in and it really sucks to affect so many people in the process, but sometimes situations warrant change.

I'm just someone on the outside, a consumer. All I know is that MS was getting into an area I was excited to see them work in: original content

Unfortunately, I have no clue about the inner workings of the group, so I'm not qualified to tell them what they should have done. The news about the issues brewing did not sound promising though. If MS could not get enough content creators on board, then the project was doomed to failure.

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Here are the previously 'Committed Projects' from Xbox Entertainment Studios (Xbox Originals)

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And you'll notice like I commented before. Most of those are made by third party studios for MS and not in their tiny 200 man basement studio.

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And you'll notice like I commented before. Most of those are made by third party studios for MS and not in their tiny 200 man basement studio.

 

while this is true.  I'm sure getting a helping hand from Microsoft's XES could have resulted in better film quality.  MS does have the deep pockets to get better cameras, better actors and such.

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