BinaryData Posted July 6, 2015 Share Posted July 6, 2015 Well, here I am again, asking for advice. I'm looking for a "temporary" SSD, something small, less than $150. My current WD Raptor Drive is starting to fail. According to Stablebit, it is. I've had it less than a year, and it's an enterprise level drive, that's been ran pretty much non-stop for the time I've had it. I'm not up to date on SSD, I don't know which is best. I've been told the Samsung EVO series is decent, but I don't know. I have an older system, LGA775 is my CPU Socket. Before anyone tells me to upgrade, that's what I'm doing. I'm buying a temporary HDD so I can continue using my PC while I buy my parts for my new system. This current drive will be moved to the new system, and this one will have an old SATA 3Gb/s drive shoved in it. Drive: SSD Capacity: 128GB+ Cost: ~$125 or less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T3X4S Posted July 6, 2015 Share Posted July 6, 2015 just get a crucial mx series 128 GB - it will cost about $100 on amazon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BinaryData Posted July 6, 2015 Author Share Posted July 6, 2015 just get a crucial mx series 128 GB - it will cost about $100 on amazon Funny you say that, I was just looking at it on NewEgg. I'll be ordering the HDD on Friday, after I get paid, along with 4GB more of RAM for this junker. T3X4S 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notuptome2004 Posted July 6, 2015 Share Posted July 6, 2015 why not save money build a whole new system and i would also reocmmend you look at the samsung evo series as you can get a 512mb SSD samsung ev0 850 for less then $180 on amazon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duoi Veteran Posted July 6, 2015 Veteran Share Posted July 6, 2015 Special on Amazon right now http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00OAJ5N6I 120 GB is ~$60 250 GB is ~$100 500 GB is ~$160 Inertia, T3X4S and goretsky 3 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T3X4S Posted July 6, 2015 Share Posted July 6, 2015 those samsung drives on amazon are dirt cheap ! Dont know if you have SATA3 ports, if you dont - you may not see those great speeds, but you will still see a big improvement over an old raptor drive. do what duoi posted - cant beat that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BinaryData Posted July 6, 2015 Author Share Posted July 6, 2015 why not save money build a whole new system and i would also reocmmend you look at the samsung evo series as you can get a 512mb SSD samsung ev0 850 for less then $180 on amazon You seem to have missed something I stated earlier in my original post. I am going to be building a new system, I just can't outright drop 2 - 3k on it. I'm smart, and buy my parts over time. I've scored a lot of great deals. I built my buddies rig for $2,000, if I had gone out and bought all of it at once, it would've been over $3,000. those samsung drives on amazon are dirt cheap ! Dont know if you have SATA3 ports, if you dont - you may not see those great speeds, but you will still see a big improvement over an old raptor drive. do what duoi posted - cant beat that Alright. I'll check out Amazon. Once I make my car payment, I'll order it. I'll probably grab the 120GB drive. Out of a 280GB Raptor Drive, I'm using 122GB of Space. A lot of that can be conserved by adding it to a spare drive. This will be the final drive I buy, Intel PCI-E 3.0. At that point, I'll be content and will finish building my ESXi Server. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sinetheo Posted July 6, 2015 Share Posted July 6, 2015 Well, here I am again, asking for advice. I'm looking for a "temporary" SSD, something small, less than $150. My current WD Raptor Drive is starting to fail. According to Stablebit, it is. I've had it less than a year, and it's an enterprise level drive, that's been ran pretty much non-stop for the time I've had it. I'm not up to date on SSD, I don't know which is best. I've been told the Samsung EVO series is decent, but I don't know. I have an older system, LGA775 is my CPU Socket. Before anyone tells me to upgrade, that's what I'm doing. I'm buying a temporary HDD so I can continue using my PC while I buy my parts for my new system. This current drive will be moved to the new system, and this one will have an old SATA 3Gb/s drive shoved in it. Drive: SSD Capacity: 128GB+ Cost: ~$125 or less. DO NOT GET an evo. They all have a defect which slow down and even pause for a few seconds before a copy. THis is due to a write amplification bug and volatage leaks in the cell. Go google it? Also Samsung drives do not support TRIM properly in Linux which will corrupt data over time. If it is a WIndows Server look at another mechanical disk if the boss is soo cheap. In reality ask him how much is your time worth and is $250 for a Samsung pro really that much to ask if something goes down? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notuptome2004 Posted July 6, 2015 Share Posted July 6, 2015 DO NOT GET an evo. They all have a defect which slow down and even pause for a few seconds before a copy. THis is due to a write amplification bug and volatage leaks in the cell. Go google it? Also Samsung drives do not support TRIM properly in Linux which will corrupt data over time. If it is a WIndows Server look at another mechanical disk if the boss is soo cheap. In reality ask him how much is your time worth and is $250 for a Samsung pro really that much to ask if something goes down? they have fixed that issue a friend of mine has a couple of them and dont have that issue xendrome 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notuptome2004 Posted July 6, 2015 Share Posted July 6, 2015 You seem to have missed something I stated earlier in my original post. I am going to be building a new system, I just can't outright drop 2 - 3k on it. I'm smart, and buy my parts over time. I've scored a lot of great deals. I built my buddies rig for $2,000, if I had gone out and bought all of it at once, it would've been over $3,000. Alright. I'll check out Amazon. Once I make my car payment, I'll order it. I'll probably grab the 120GB drive. Out of a 280GB Raptor Drive, I'm using 122GB of Space. A lot of that can be conserved by adding it to a spare drive. This will be the final drive I buy, Intel PCI-E 3.0. At that point, I'll be content and will finish building my ESXi Server. Why do you think you need flop down 3 grand on a PC you dont you can build a fairly high end intel system core i7 and stuff for around $1500 or less with monitor and a good GTX 970 card or maby 2 of them but the fact you assume you need to flop down 3 grand is insane like someone else siad unless your doing insane 3D modeling you dont need that . but yea and dont forget that Windows 10 will be rolling out on july 29th and is Free so thats less money ya have to spend Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xendrome Posted July 6, 2015 Share Posted July 6, 2015 just get a crucial mx series 128 GB - it will cost about $100 on amazon Yuck, 250GB Samsung 850 EVO $98 - http://amzn.com/B00OAJ412U DO NOT GET an evo. They all have a defect which slow down and even pause for a few seconds before a copy. THis is due to a write amplification bug and volatage leaks in the cell. Go google it? 850 EVO doesn't have this, and 840 was patch in firmware Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mando Posted July 18, 2015 Share Posted July 18, 2015 DO NOT GET an evo. They all have a defect which slow down and even pause for a few seconds before a copy. THis is due to a write amplification bug and volatage leaks in the cell. Go google it? Also Samsung drives do not support TRIM properly in Linux which will corrupt data over time. If it is a WIndows Server look at another mechanical disk if the boss is soo cheap. In reality ask him how much is your time worth and is $250 for a Samsung pro really that much to ask if something goes down? Mate get your head out of 2014 samsung fixed that at least 2 firmware revisions ago on 840s AND 850s and read his first post buddy. Its his home desktop hes enquiring about . I have 3 840s in my games rig (1 win/apps) 1 for steam n one for origin, i also have a crucial m4 in my laptop n the evos are much quicker so bang for buck the samsungs win everytime. To op a sata3 ssd on sata2 will hit 250mb r/ws so will still be a good boost over any traditional drive that will do 150mb r/ws if your lucky. Oh and to boot, no need to get arsey when people reply to try and help, it aint big or clever to type ### instead of swearing, your a big boy now. If you dont want replies like that you should have put usage of your rig in the post or dont ask for advice! Were only trying to help YOU Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Warwagon MVC Posted July 18, 2015 MVC Share Posted July 18, 2015 I'm all for go big or go home when building a PC. Last PC build I did was a i7 920 back in 2008, where I spent $1,500. Still runs great today. Almost 7 years later. Odom 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mando Posted July 18, 2015 Share Posted July 18, 2015 I'm all for go big or go home when building a PC. Last PC build I did was a i7 920 back in 2008, where I spent $1,500. Still runs great today. Almost 7 years later. Yep aint that the truth, built a z68 based 2600k 2+years back and its still barely breaking a sweat in all the latest games with an aging sc 660ti itll be new gpu before a chip & mobo just aint worth the Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BinaryData Posted July 19, 2015 Author Share Posted July 19, 2015 Mate get your head out of 2014 samsung fixed that at least 2 firmware revisions ago on 840s AND 850s and read his first post buddy. Its his home desktop hes enquiring about . I have 3 840s in my games rig (1 win/apps) 1 for steam n one for origin, i also have a crucial m4 in my laptop n the evos are much quicker so bang for buck the samsungs win everytime. To op a sata3 ssd on sata2 will hit 250mb r/ws so will still be a good boost over any traditional drive that will do 150mb r/ws if your lucky. Oh and to boot, no need to get arsey when people reply to try and help, it aint big or clever to type ### instead of swearing, your a big boy now. If you dont want replies like that you should have put usage of your rig in the post or dont ask for advice! Were only trying to help YOU I'm not sure if you were talking to me or not. But I love my new HDD. My initial transfers were insane, but the problem is the small storage. I'm going to un-install Adobe creative Cloud and move it to another drive. I'm all for go big or go home when building a PC. Last PC build I did was a i7 920 back in 2008, where I spent $1,500. Still runs great today. Almost 7 years later. Boo yah! Yep aint that the truth, built a z68 based 2600k 2+years back and its still barely breaking a sweat in all the latest games with an aging sc 660ti itll be new gpu before a chip & mobo just aint worth the Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dragon2611 Posted July 19, 2015 Share Posted July 19, 2015 Well, here I am again, asking for advice. I'm looking for a "temporary" SSD, something small, less than $150. My current WD Raptor Drive is starting to fail. According to Stablebit, it is. I've had it less than a year, and it's an enterprise level drive, that's been ran pretty much non-stop for the time I've had it. Hope the WD is still under warranty even for 24/7 use 1year is pretty poor I've seen desktop drives abused and shoved in servers last longer than that. As for the SSD I'd say get whatever is cheapest and from a reputable brand/supplier, Yes drive X might have faster write speeds than drive Y but even the lower spec drives these days have such decent performance that unless you're constantly generating large datasets the performance difference is not going to be that noticable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noir Angel Posted July 19, 2015 Share Posted July 19, 2015 Also Samsung drives do not support TRIM properly in Linux which will corrupt data over time. If it is a WIndows Server look at another mechanical disk if the boss is soo cheap. In reality ask him how much is your time worth and is $250 for a Samsung pro really that much to ask if something goes down? Uhm no. Firstly, the Linux kernel supports TRIM and has done for a while. Not all distributions support it so it's worth doing your homework first, but to say that Linux doesn't support it is flat out misinformation. Secondly, the lack of TRIM does absolutely not cause data corruption. As you may or may not know, files that are deleted from most modern file systems are not overwritten, the entries are just marked empty in the file allocation table so the data can be overwritten. What TRIM basically does is that, unlike on mechanical drives, flash cells have to have any data that is on them erased before new data can be written to them. TRIM basically tells the drive to erase those flash cells when it is idle so that it doesn't have to be done as you're writing data to them. Lack of TRIM can lead to a performance hit but it will absolutely not corrupt data. And most modern SSDs will have junk collection built into their firmware, so even if the OS you're using doesn't have TRIM built in, the drive should be able to handle it for you. Giving people good information is fine. Filling their heads with distorted misinformation is certainly not. Get your own house in order first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sinetheo Posted July 19, 2015 Share Posted July 19, 2015 Uhm no. Firstly, the Linux kernel supports TRIM and has done for a while. Not all distributions support it so it's worth doing your homework first, but to say that Linux doesn't support it is flat out misinformation. Secondly, the lack of TRIM does absolutely not cause data corruption. As you may or may not know, files that are deleted from most modern file systems are not overwritten, the entries are just marked empty in the file allocation table so the data can be overwritten. What TRIM basically does is that, unlike on mechanical drives, flash cells have to have any data that is on them erased before new data can be written to them. TRIM basically tells the drive to erase those flash cells when it is idle so that it doesn't have to be done as you're writing data to them. Lack of TRIM can lead to a performance hit but it will absolutely not corrupt data. And most modern SSDs will have junk collection built into their firmware, so even if the OS you're using doesn't have TRIM built in, the drive should be able to handle it for you. Giving people good information is fine. Filling their heads with distorted misinformation is certainly not. Get your own house in order first. Not true No misinformation http://linux.slashdot.org/story/15/06/16/201217/trim-and-linux-tread-cautiously-and-keep-backups-handy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noir Angel Posted July 19, 2015 Share Posted July 19, 2015 That article suggests the exact opposite of what you're saying, the person making that claim suggests that it was a malformed TRIM command causing the problem, if the drive had not had TRIM this error would not have happened. I'd suggest reading your sources a bit more thoroughly next time. And a failure like this could be caused on any file system, a drive misinterpreting a TRIM command smells of a bug with the drive's firmware, not a problem with the OS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BinaryData Posted July 20, 2015 Author Share Posted July 20, 2015 Not true No misinformation http://linux.slashdot.org/story/15/06/16/201217/trim-and-linux-tread-cautiously-and-keep-backups-handy That article suggests the exact opposite of what you're saying, the person making that claim suggests that it was a malformed TRIM command causing the problem, if the drive had not had TRIM this error would not have happened. I'd suggest reading your sources a bit more thoroughly next time. And a failure like this could be caused on any file system, a drive misinterpreting a TRIM command smells of a bug with the drive's firmware, not a problem with the OS. But I do like the information you're giving. I'm not up to speed on Linux anymore, so this is beneficial to me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThaCrip Posted July 20, 2015 Share Posted July 20, 2015 i got a Samsung SSD 850 EVO installed back on May 17th and it works great. i only got SATA II on my motherboard and according to the benchmarks it does around... 285MB/s read 270MB/s write 52k random read IOPS 48k random write IOPS just make sure AHCI is turned on, on your motherboard otherwise performance drops quite a bit... 215MB/s read 232MB/s write 8.5k random read IOPS 15k random write IOPS p.s. i have written 0.49TB (about 490GB) to the drive so far according to the Samsung Magician software. To op a sata3 ssd on sata2 will hit 250mb r/ws so will still be a good boost over any traditional drive that will do 150mb r/ws if your lucky. from what i have read when it comes to general program and windows loading up there is basically no difference between SATA II and SATA III. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sc302 Veteran Posted July 20, 2015 Veteran Share Posted July 20, 2015 Cleaned. Please stay on topic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farmeunit Posted July 20, 2015 Share Posted July 20, 2015 Samsung has much better software then the Crucial line, but I really like the crucial drives for speed and stability, as well. I did have an 840 Pro 128GB and just replaced with an 850 EVO 250GB. I'm liking it so far. More of a side-grade than an upgrade of course, My speeds are actually a little higher using Turbo-cache, but IOPS are a little slower. Just after basic tests. Still wicked fast. I bought an MX200 at the same time because I needed one for work and put that in existing machine with existing OS. It slower machine with different hardware and OS/software, so can't really compare directly. They were almost the same price for the same capacity, so that's why I got them both. After doing some reading, I chose the 850 EVO for home and have been happy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
betam4x Posted July 22, 2015 Share Posted July 22, 2015 +1 on the 850 EVO. Do yourself a favor and spring an extra $20 to get the 500 gb version. I'm running an 840 EVO (500 gb) and it's been wonderful. Samsung makes some of the best SSDs on the market. Make sure you get the 500 gb version. It is something that will work well with your current system while being usable in the new system you mention you are planning to build. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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