goretsky Supervisor Posted July 25, 2015 Supervisor Share Posted July 25, 2015 Hello, Incorrect. Not all APIs and functions are available on all versions of Windows. If you want your software to support a wide range of Windows versions, you need to develop and test for each version. Regards, Aryeh Goretsky Fragmentation is a false construct in most senses, especially with Windows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian M. Veteran Posted July 25, 2015 Veteran Share Posted July 25, 2015 The catch is don't expect an upgrade like Win 3.1 to 95/XP to 7 was. Expect something more around 98 to ME (as you'd already know). Regardless, Microsoft would really like you to use it. That's good though, IMO. I eventually managed to convince my parents to let me upgrade them from XP to 7, but I would never have dared upgrade them to 8. I can imagine the conversation now - "So how do I shut this thing down? Well, hover your mouse over the bottom right corner of the screen, click settings... etc". Windows 10 seems, to me at least, to be Windows 8 with the sense of Windows 7. They've removed the nonsense, making it much more usable (especially for non-geeks) and to me it's just way more easier to use. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arachno 1D Posted July 25, 2015 Share Posted July 25, 2015 Theres already an official response in another thread covering thishttps://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1265630-will-microsoft-offer-us-free-isos-for-every-version-of-windows-10-corehomeproenterprise/page-4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
::Gomez:: Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 Fragmentation is a false construct in most senses, especially with Windows. Totally agree with you. Microsoft loses money giving support to lots of versions. the more people that uses win10 will reduce support costs and security issues. I also think that they changed the way they earn money. Now they must be targeted to apps and not the OS. like apple did 6 years ago with the apple store. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adrynalyne Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 (edited) Hello, Incorrect. Not all APIs and functions are available on all versions of Windows. If you want your software to support a wide range of Windows versions, you need to develop and test for each version. Regards, Aryeh Goretsky You are welcome to your opinion. There are many avenues to which you can develop for all SUPPORTED versions of Windows, with the exception of WinRT applications. Fragmentation or not, you still have to test these things regardless. Same thing with Android. If a developer decides not to take those avenues and whine about fragmentation, that is on them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Audioboxer Subscriber² Posted July 29, 2015 Subscriber² Share Posted July 29, 2015 Don't think there will be any catch for traditional Windows users. What MS do with their store and apps is another question, but that can all be ignored. Any sort of service subscription for an app, Office or Gaming (Xbox integration), again, can all be ignored. The only disastrous thing they could do is put the actual OS behind a subscription. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scar Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 Windows 10 being free is good and all, but I can't help but feel like there's a catch somewhere. Maybe MS will do something a few years down the line, for example: "Opps you can't get this app because you didn't pay for Windows 10" or something like that. Does anyone else feel this way? Microsoft isn't cheap to do something like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adrynalyne Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 (edited) Microsoft isn't cheap to do something like that. Oops, misread. Ignore me. Edited July 29, 2015 by adrynalyne oops Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mando Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 the catch is you have to let go of WMC OP take off your tinfoil hat buddy Ms are doing this to simplify and unify support. why else do you think its free to hoem users but businesses need to pay for the upgrade its to kill off older Oses that just wont die! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Audioboxer Subscriber² Posted July 29, 2015 Subscriber² Share Posted July 29, 2015 (edited) Microsoft isn't cheap to do something like that. If you can try to subscription solitaire (at very worse you'd expect a one off fee...) then anything can be done.... Edited July 29, 2015 by Audioboxer Jose_49 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mortiferr Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 Actually, there are ads on windows 10 that you have to pay to be removed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dinggus Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 Windows 10 being free is good and all, but I can't help but feel like there's a catch somewhere. Maybe MS will do something a few years down the line, for example: "Opps you can't get this app because you didn't pay for Windows 10" or something like that. Does anyone else feel this way? No, because I also use OSX and the last few versions have been free. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goretsky Supervisor Posted July 31, 2015 Supervisor Share Posted July 31, 2015 Hello,I wish it were solely my opinion. However, it is a fact. I should probably point out that my employer develops kernel mode drivers, some of which make use of protected APIs. It suspect it is quite different if you are developing user mode applications, though.Regards,Aryeh Goretsky You are welcome to your opinion. There are many avenues to which you can develop for all SUPPORTED versions of Windows, with the exception of WinRT applications. Fragmentation or not, you still have to test these things regardless. Same thing with Android. If a developer decides not to take those avenues and whine about fragmentation, that is on them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pikey Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 The main catch will be the increase of 'revenue streams' , more ads to you and me , especially if you use the store! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Neo Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 Windows 10 being free is good and all, but I can't help but feel like there's a catch somewhere. Maybe MS will do something a few years down the line, for example: "Opps you can't get this app because you didn't pay for Windows 10" or something like that. Does anyone else feel this way? The catch is you can never transfer your "freely" obtained Windows 10 license to a new PC. So essentially all Microsoft is doing is postponing the moment you have to get a new license from now to later. In my case my Windows 8 Pro license hit the end of the line with my current Asus notebook. After that I either have to deal with a new notebook's bloatware, revert back to Windows 8 Pro from Windows 10 (if possible driver wise) or purchase a new Windows 10 Pro license. Once you ditch your current PC the situation is the same as it always been. It's my opinion that if you give something away for "free" and promote it as such to the general public, just give it away for free and allow people to use it indefinitely. That includes when they're getting a new PC a few years down the road. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trent Smith Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 "MS will do something a few years down the line, for example: "Opps you can't get this app because you didn't pay for Windows 10" or something like that." It's happened already with Windows DVD Player - only available to upgraders who had WMC installed! Otherwise you have to buy it via the store! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zhangm Supervisor Posted July 31, 2015 Supervisor Share Posted July 31, 2015 (edited) It's happened already with Windows DVD Player - only available to upgraders who had WMC installed! IIRC WMC was also made available as a (temporary) freebie for Windows 8. Having upgraded multiple computers at no cost, I don't feel particularly ripped off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adrynalyne Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 (edited) Hello,I wish it were solely my opinion. However, it is a fact. I should probably point out that my employer develops kernel mode drivers, some of which make use of protected APIs. It suspect it is quite different if you are developing user mode applications, though.Regards,Aryeh Goretsky I rest my case then .Fragmentation is only as real as you make it. Kernel mode drivers will always have concerns with updates on any OS. goretsky 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xendrome Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 (edited) The more people you can get on your platform the more money you can make for you and your partners, if you have any question on why Windows 10 is free, watch this video - https://mspartner.microsoft.com/en/us/video/videos/133738057 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goretsky Supervisor Posted August 1, 2015 Supervisor Share Posted August 1, 2015 Hello,On the plus side, my employer licenses its software by the product type and not the version, so there's no charge to upgrade to a new version when a new version of the OS comes out. That's not unique; a few of our competitors do the same thing as well, but others like to license by the version, so that when a new OS comes out, a new version has to be bought to support it (or an additional software maintenance agreement has to be purchased).Regards,Aryeh Goretsky I rest my case then .Fragmentation is only as real as you make it. Kernel mode drivers will always have concerns with updates on any OS. adrynalyne 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronnet Posted August 1, 2015 Share Posted August 1, 2015 Windows 10 being free is good and all, but I can't help but feel like there's a catch somewhere. Maybe MS will do something a few years down the line, for example: "Opps you can't get this app because you didn't pay for Windows 10" or something like that. Does anyone else feel this way? No I don't. Microsoft doesn't make that much money on selling seperate Operating Systems to consumers anyways. And many studies have shown people rarely upgrade for the latest version of an OS. Particularly those on XP and Windows 7 don't feel a need to upgrade. So Microsoft isnt really missing out on much revenue by making Windows 10 free. However, if those on Windows 7 remain on Windows 7 as long as those on XP did, then Microsoft's new ecosystem will never take off. I think the management team at MS made the concious decision to sacrifice some OS revenue for store revenue. Only by making Windows an ecosystem that can compete with iOS and Android can Microsoft remain competitive in the consumer market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adrynalyne Posted August 1, 2015 Share Posted August 1, 2015 Hello,On the plus side, my employer licenses its software by the product type and not the version, so there's no charge to upgrade to a new version when a new version of the OS comes out. That's not unique; a few of our competitors do the same thing as well, but others like to license by the version, so that when a new OS comes out, a new version has to be bought to support it (or an additional software maintenance agreement has to be purchased).Regards,Aryeh Goretsky I like it when companies do this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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