slysy Posted January 25, 2004 Share Posted January 25, 2004 A lot of people say the iPod is smaller and sleeker than the Zen, but I would like to know exactly how much by. Has anyone got a pic of them side by side? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amoeba Posted January 25, 2004 Share Posted January 25, 2004 I don't have a picture of them botb side by side but their respective sites do. ^ That wasn't a flame. EDIT: Apple iPod - Third Generation WxHxD: 2.4" x 4.1" x .73" Size and weight (40GB model) Weight: 6.2 oz CreativeLabs Zen Xtra WxHxD: 3" x 4.4" x 0.86" Weight: 7.9 oz with battery; 7.2 oz without battery Just figured I'd be helpful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slysy Posted January 25, 2004 Author Share Posted January 25, 2004 I don't have a picture of them botb side by side but their respective sites do.^ That wasn't a flame. EDIT: Apple iPod - Third Generation WxHxD: 2.4" x 4.1" x .73" Size and weight (40GB model) Weight: 6.2 oz CreativeLabs Zen Xtra WxHxD: 3" x 4.4" x 0.86" Weight: 7.9 oz with battery; 7.2 oz without battery Just figured I'd be helpful. no problem. I have looked on the sites and I cant find a sife by side picture. Maybe you could be a bit more specific about where i can find such a picture on the sites? Thx, Slysy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slysy Posted January 25, 2004 Author Share Posted January 25, 2004 ok i found a pic, but looking at it I cant see why people make a big deal about the sizes...the differences look very small The pic: http://www.minidisc.org/images/iriver_ihp100_ipod_zen.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amoeba Posted January 25, 2004 Share Posted January 25, 2004 (edited) ok i found a pic, but looking at it I cant see why people make a big deal about the sizes...the differences look very smallThe pic: http://www.minidisc.org/images/iriver_ihp100_ipod_zen.jpg That is a picture of the 1st/2nd generation iPod. The 3rd generation iPods are much smaller. I'm working on a pic as we speak. EDIT: Added Image, see Below Edited January 25, 2004 by amoeba Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Veteran Posted January 25, 2004 Veteran Share Posted January 25, 2004 Size and style wise, the iPod is superior to the Zen Xtra. Battery-wise (replaceable) and sound quality, the Zen wins. The Zen is more suited to "audiophiles", while the iPod is more suited to those who favour looks over functionality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slysy Posted January 25, 2004 Author Share Posted January 25, 2004 Thanks for the input guys. Also, how do the 3rd gen ipod and the iriver sizes compare (sorry to be a pain :blush: )? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amoeba Posted January 25, 2004 Share Posted January 25, 2004 Size and style wise, the iPod is superior to the Zen Xtra.Battery-wise (replaceable) and sound quality, the Zen wins. The Zen is more suited to "audiophiles", while the iPod is more suited to those who favour looks over functionality. Can you substantiate those claims? I consider myself a casual audiophile and I have an iPod. I love the sound quality. Regarding battery goes, my batter lasts forever. I've never gotten it past halfway except for when I first got it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slysy Posted January 25, 2004 Author Share Posted January 25, 2004 Can you substantiate those claims? I consider myself a casual audiophile and I have an iPod. I love the sound quality.Regarding battery goes, my batter lasts forever. I've never gotten it past halfway except for when I first got it. The Zen has a better SNR (Signal to noise ratio) than the ipod. About the battery, he was talking about how long the battery lasts until it becomes unable to charge again (not the time it lasts on one charge if that makes sense?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amoeba Posted January 25, 2004 Share Posted January 25, 2004 The Zen has a better SNR (Signal to noise ratio) than the ipod. About the battery, he was talking about how long the battery lasts until it becomes unable to charge again (not the time it lasts on one charge if that makes sense?) I wasn't aware of the SNR thing... Regarding the battery comment I'm entirely sick of the iPod battery replacement stink. I have an iPod and friends with iPods. I have a 1st gen and a few friends have 2nd gens and a few others with 3rd gens. None of them have had problems. I fail to believe this is such a widespread problem. I might be ignorant but I cannot discount the iPod over what other people complain about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Veteran Posted January 25, 2004 Veteran Share Posted January 25, 2004 Yes, lab tests have shown that SNR is better on Zen than iPod - I'm not slating the iPod, they're beautiful things, I'm just stating the facts. While it may not be a "widespread problem", I'm merely stating that the current generation iPods do not have user-replaceable batteries. This may matter to some people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slysy Posted January 25, 2004 Author Share Posted January 25, 2004 I wasn't aware of the SNR thing...Regarding the battery comment I'm entirely sick of the iPod battery replacement stink. I have an iPod and friends with iPods. I have a 1st gen and a few friends have 2nd gens and a few others with 3rd gens. None of them have had problems. I fail to believe this is such a widespread problem. I might be ignorant but I cannot discount the iPod over what other people complain about. It lasts for about 500 charges. Whether you get problems depends entirely on how much you use the player. Examples: charge every day: lasts approx 500 days charge every two days: lasts approx 1000 days charge every 3 days: lasts approx 1500 days As you can see its only if you use the ipod frequently that it really becomes a big problem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amoeba Posted January 25, 2004 Share Posted January 25, 2004 It lasts for about 500 charges. Whether you get problems depends entirely on how much you use the player. Examples:charge every day: lasts approx 500 days charge every two days: lasts approx 1000 days charge every 3 days: lasts approx 1500 days As you can see its only if you use the ipod frequently that it really becomes a big problem Are these facts? I'm curious. What about if you just plug your iPod in all day and unplug it once? Does a charge count when you plug it in? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slysy Posted January 25, 2004 Author Share Posted January 25, 2004 (edited) Are these facts? I'm curious.What about if you just plug your iPod in all day and unplug it once? Does a charge count when you plug it in? They figure of 500 is a rough guideline and there is some variation between ipods. It is however definately a fact that lithium batteries last a certain number of charges so the more you charge it the quicker it will die. Not sure about your last couple of questions sorry Edited January 25, 2004 by slysy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slysy Posted January 25, 2004 Author Share Posted January 25, 2004 Thanks for the input guys. Also, how do the 3rd gen ipod and the iriver sizes compare (sorry to be a pain :blush: )? anyone know the answer to this? :cool: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amoeba Posted January 25, 2004 Share Posted January 25, 2004 There's not much point in talking about the iRiver. It's just not the same caliber as the iPod/Zen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amoeba Posted January 25, 2004 Share Posted January 25, 2004 (edited) {{{ DOUBLE POST }}} Edited January 25, 2004 by amoeba Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hifive Posted January 25, 2004 Share Posted January 25, 2004 I also have an iPod 3G. There are many audiophiles that would rank the iPod above the Zen. Check out Head-Fi for more audiophile opinions. It's regarded as the best sounding HD MP3 Player by many people. The only thing hurting it is the lack of a good EQ, but when flat, it sounds gorgeous. Stereophile Review of iPod And why shouldn't they be happy? With the iPod, you can have your cake and eat it, too. On the outside, all that the rest of the world will see is that you're one of the iPod-totin' beautiful people; no one will ever know that under those headphones you're listening to monstrously good-sounding, hi-rez digital copies of your favorite demo discs. Baby, you're a rich man! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuka_t Posted January 25, 2004 Share Posted January 25, 2004 what do u mean its not the same caliber. r u saying it sucks or its better? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giga Veteran Posted January 25, 2004 Veteran Share Posted January 25, 2004 iRiver IHP-120 is good player. It has more features than the iPod and almost the same size, though I dont like it's design. Same caliber? No idea what you're talking about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slysy Posted January 25, 2004 Author Share Posted January 25, 2004 Personally I think the iriver looks great. Longer battery life, windows explorer integration, excellent remote, cheaper price, supports more file types. Surely its worth considering? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giga Veteran Posted January 25, 2004 Veteran Share Posted January 25, 2004 Cheaper price? Same price. IHP-120 20gig - $400 iPod 20gig - $400 And for filetypes...most of my music are aac..so im fine with that. Others might use ogg though. (iRiver) iPod also shows up as a drive. But yes, it is worth considering if you really need the battery life and others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted January 25, 2004 Share Posted January 25, 2004 The Zen's screen looks awfully small though, doesn't that hinder its usability a lot? The Zen would look much better with a larger and "sleeker" screen, especially with its large real estate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amoeba Posted January 25, 2004 Share Posted January 25, 2004 The iRiver isn't of the same caliber because it uses an i in front of the name. DUH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slysy Posted January 26, 2004 Author Share Posted January 26, 2004 The Zen's screen looks awfully small though, doesn't that hinder its usability a lot?The Zen would look much better with a larger and "sleeker" screen, especially with its large real estate. Are you talking about the Zen NX? The Zen Xtra has a bigger and better screen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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