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#16 vetmarkjensen

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Posted 23 October 2008 - 19:28

WTF does the cost of tape drives and tapes have to do with sharing external usb drives?
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That is a one-post-wonder you replied to.

I think Fisshbate is really just Trollbate, trying to get a rise out of you.


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Posted 23 October 2008 - 19:58

Fine with me ;) Nonsense like that lets me blow off some steam -- which makes me nicer to my own users ;)

I always feel better after letting off some steam.. So if what they were trying to do is make feel better, then they succeeded..

#18 Fisshbate

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Posted 24 October 2008 - 15:19

WTF does the cost of tape drives and tapes have to do with sharing external usb drives?

OK Genius - try backing up to an external usb drive without a share on it[/b].

If you want to backup to external drives -- more power too.. That has nothing to do with the OP issue. Did he ever mention backup??

"some folders on there are shared for users to access some files and various other small things."

As to the price of SCSI disks -- I am well aware of their prices.. Again WTF does that have to do with your ma and pop cluster
F of a backup solution?

So you don't agree with me, or your too stuck in your mode of thinking to look at alternative solutions, so you insult my client who you know nothing about.

Did I ever state that external USB drives do not have use?

"But for the life of me I can not understand why anyone would do something like this.. if your server does not have enough space for files you want to share -- get more drives, or bigger ones. Or another server or NAS.

Sharing anything off an external USB would be a temp type of thing, not something that would be a perm type solution."


I have over 2TB of data on just the SAN in this one location, along with all the other servers -- your looking at over 6TB for this 1 location alone.. Sorry your solution $200 external usb drive might be fine for some ma and pop operation.. But I just have to much data to even allow for such a thing.

Just the SQL "data" alone for this 1 location is is over 120GB.. How fast can you backup 120GB to your external SATA drive? I highly doubt your anywhere close to 1GB a minute across the network to some usb disk ;)

[10/23/2008-03:16:43 ,0,0,0,0,0,2,0,0,0] Total Size (Disk)............ 121,875.50 MB
[10/23/2008-03:16:43 ,0,0,0,0,0,2,0,0,0] Total Size (Media)........... 122,961.00 MB
[10/23/2008-03:16:43 ,0,0,0,0,0,2,0,0,0] Elapsed Time................. 1h 42m 42s
[10/23/2008-03:16:43 ,0,0,0,0,0,2,0,0,0] Average Throughput........... 1,197.25 MB/min

I also need to always keep a backup copy off site for disaster recover reason. Oh and BTW not sure where you looking at buying tapes.. but they are not $100. A LTO 4 800/1600 GB tape is more like $70 retail -- even without compression that is still cheaper than your 1TB sata drive when you look at $/GB

Here you go $62 a tape
http://www.tapeandme...4_tapes_tdk.asp

800GB/62 = 12.90 GB per $

What format is your 1TB drive using? Whats the actual usable space -- lets say its like 930, which its going to be lower.
930GB/120 (price on newegg for 1TB drive) = 7.75 GB / $

And with that tape your also going to get more than 800 with compression. So your easy more than 2x the cost of tape storing it on your sata drives.

You are not including the price of the drive. You are also not taking into account that when (not if) that drive fails in a few years. Those tapes will now be useless because the format will not work with whatever the new drives are at the time, so you will have to replace those tapes.

The time it takes to backup is irrelevant as it is all completed overnight. Now...the time to restore is relevant which is considerably faster from disk than from tape.

But again -- the OP was not talking about backups anyway ;)


"Again WTF does that have to do with your ma and pop cluster
F of a backup solution?"

I see this arrogant attitude all through the IT industry. I catch anyone in my employ with it, and their a$$ is out the door.


Basically have a server (2003 Standard) which has a USB drive connected to it and some folders on there are shared for users to access some files and various other small things. But everytime the server reboots. The shares are lost. Even though the USB drive is given the same drive letter and it's connected to the same port.

What causes this? Why aren't the shares remembered?


Try a cold boot. You will find that your shares are back.

#19 vetmarkjensen

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Posted 24 October 2008 - 16:12

I'm gonna just wait here for the show... Posted Image

#20 Fisshbate

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Posted 24 October 2008 - 18:02

That is a one-post-wonder you replied to.

I think Fisshbate is really just Trollbate, trying to get a rise out of you.


Trollbate...lol
One post wonder...close - two posts It justs frustrates me when I see wannabees like budman giving bad advise and trying to sound like he knows something. He did not even come close on his guesses at a solution to the OP's problem. If the OP wants to contact me, I will give him the fix.

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Posted 24 October 2008 - 23:55

But your nonsense about using a external USB drive as a backup solution was just right on the money to what the OP was asking about :rolleyes:

Contact you?? How about you post your "fix" so everyone can bask in your wisdom..

#22 Fisshbate

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Posted 31 October 2008 - 18:06

Contact you?? How about you post your "fix" so everyone can bask in your wisdom..


And re-distribute the knowledge? What do you think I am a socialist? You want the answer - look here URL link deleted

#23 vetPink Floyd

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Posted 01 November 2008 - 13:57

Solution for any help should be talked here and not in pm if possible. Alternative solution ca be discussed by many of us.
Also, not everyone here can read arabic language

#24 Fisshbate

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Posted 05 November 2008 - 21:28

Solution for any help should be talked here and not in pm if possible. Alternative solution ca be discussed by many of us.
Also, not everyone here can read arabic language


Discussion is not necessary. This is the fix, along with an explanation of what has happened. My preference would be just to leave neowin forums to the flounders. I do not see an option to delete my profile though. Guess I just change my email to a disposable one.

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Posted 05 November 2008 - 21:32

It has already been gone over what happens, and method given on how to get around it - mount the USB drive to a folder. You can not create a freaking SHARE for something that does not exist yet.. If the USB disk is not available when the server goes to create the share -- then NFS it will not be available.

If you wanted to you could restart the server service after the OS has fully booted, and the external disk is available.

You could also run a script to recreate the share after the OS has fully booted as well..

Something as simple as

net share something=usbdiskdriveletter:

Pink Floyd's point was this is a FORUM, quite often these threads are found on a google search when users are looking for fixes to their issues... PM'ing a user a solution to their problem might help that guy -- what about the next guy? Or in the case of someone finding this thread -- they get your nonsense about using usb drives as a backup solution vs tape libraries :rolleyes: -- which had freaking NOTHING to do with the OP question or even the topic at hand.

Go troll somewhere else!

Edited by BudMan, 05 November 2008 - 21:43.


#26 _BeanZ_

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Posted 05 November 2008 - 22:29

But then, when I looked at some of your responses to other posts, I cannot see one solution - just referrals to volumes of reading.

Because sometimes it's necessary to get users to educate themselves.

It's all well and good hand-holding people every time they come up against a small problem; but is it not better for them to get into the habit of reading the documentation first so that they know what they're doing rather than just blindly clicking buttons without any understanding.