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[Eric G.]

You are actually better off putting up with .. whatever problem cleartype is causing you than to try and cut the UI apart. Even then, many many programs are designed expecting standard fonts and cleartype to be enabled, and sometimes trying to force-change these could break their ability to display their UI elements properly.

While there are some programs that are designed to use Segoe UI, I have yet to see one that looks bad when forced to Tahoma. That said, NoSegoe, the component in Windows Aero (Tahoma Font) that forces the replacement of Segoe UI in everything that isn't part of the Windows UI, is known to completely prevent some Adobe programs from running. To get them to work however, you simply need to run them in compatibility mode for XP SP3 or older. Of course this has already been mentioned in the Readme.

Though it is possible that there are other programs that will refuse to run without Segoe UI, they should also need nothing more than a compatibility mode setting. As such, I see no reason why a person shouldn't try Windows Aero (Tahoma Font) if they feel they need it. If worse comes to worst and a UI element in a program is displayed improperly, Windows Aero (Tahoma Font), or even just NoSegoe, can always be uninstalled.

[Baggis]

Lazure: What exactly makes you think you know what is right for *everyone* when it comes to Segoe?? I have never had a monitor on which Segoe/ClearType fits me and my eyes! I would say it is not at all a matter of monitor but more of a question of personal preferences. Instead of ranting at Eric you should be glad there are people out there helping the ones needing it... I thank God for Eric and similar persons.

[Lazure]

You registered on Neowin today, just so you can say that to me?

[Baggis]

You registered on Neowin today, just so you can say that to me?

I think that is a perfect reason yes. The future will show what else I might write here :-)

[Azies]

I think that is a perfect reason yes. The future will show what else I might write here :-)

Retire, relax, enjoy your family. It is just a font. Not worth it.


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[LiquidSolstice]

Retire, relax, enjoy your family. It is just a font. Not worth it.


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HA!

+1 to you, sir. Hopefully I'm not the only one who got that.

[Auditor]

I am happy with whatever default windows 7 font is. I have 24 inch samsung Lcd monitor with 1920x1200 resolution and text looks awesome.

[stereox]

Hello everybody.
I hope i get some help here.
I changed all the fonts to Arial. Looks much better for me.
But here are still some fonts in the OS which i was unable to change them.
How can i set everything to Arial ?
In this link you'll see that in Everest the fonts are not Arial.
Same when i move arround the mouse cursor over the tray icons ( day,month letters )
Check the pics, please :
http://img225.images...erestfonts.jpg/
http://img339.images.../trayclock.jpg/
Thanks in advance.
PS : i use Cleartype, but all i want is to "disable" this Segoe UI fonts

[Phixion]

I remember cleartype looking bad on my old CRT, however on my Dell U2410 Windows 7 fonts are sexy as hell...

[Eric G.]

@stereox

NoSegoe will let you easily replace all instances of Segoe UI with any other font, however you won't be able to change the font size. You can download the original NoSegoe directly from Steve Halpern's site. He already has Arial as an replacement choice. Be warned that his version doesn't replace all variants of Segoe UI under Windows 7 though. If you wish to do that, download the manual installation of Windows Aero (Tahoma Font) and open "NoSegoe - Tahoma.reg" in Notepad. Simply replace all instances of "Tahoma" with "Arial", save the file, then double-click it to add it to the registry. The "NoSegoe - Restore Segoe UI.reg" always works as intended without modification.

If you'd prefer to change the font size in the Windows GUI in addition to replacing Segoe UI, you'll have to do what I did and create a modified visual style. What Microsoft refers to as a theme relies on a visual style and all Aero-based themes rely on aero.msstyles. Vista Style Builder is a great program for creating/modifying visual styles (.msstyles files) but unfortunately it's not free. It's what I used to create Windows Aero (Tahoma Font), minus the installer.

Once you have Vista Style Builder, start a new visual style (it's based off of your current aero.msstlyes) or load the one you wish to modify. After loading, set the Search box to "Values" and then type in "segoe". This will show you all instances of Segoe UI (the default font in aero.msstyles). For a list of what I changed specifically, refer to the "The following modifications were made" section of the Windows Aero (Tahoma Font) Readme. Be sure to use NoSegoe along with your custom visual style in order to replace instances of Segoe UI hard coded into programs. The visual style itself only affects the Windows UI.

Let me know how everything works out and if you have any other questions. Good luck.

[Victor V.]

Hello everybody.
I hope i get some help here.
I changed all the fonts to Arial. Looks much better for me.
But here are still some fonts in the OS which i was unable to change them.
How can i set everything to Arial ?
In this link you'll see that in Everest the fonts are not Arial.
Same when i move arround the mouse cursor over the tray icons ( day,month letters )
Check the pics, please :
http://img225.images...erestfonts.jpg/
http://img339.images.../trayclock.jpg/
Thanks in advance.
PS : i use Cleartype, but all i want is to "disable" this Segoe UI fonts

Arial? Seriously? Arial is like, the new Comic Sans.
Sans the Comic.

[KM.]

Does anyone have a screenshot with how it looks on the desktop? I want to take the plunge as Tahoma is a great font but not sure if it is worth it.

[citan]

i hate windows cleartype fonts, thanks

[TCA]

I'm so used to segoe I don't think i could ever get used to seeing Tahoma

[neo158]

Wow, there's people out there who would GIMP Windows 7 this badly? What is wrong with cleartype? Turning off cleartype makes fonts look all jaggy and pixellated like in Windows 95. Also, Segoe UI is a wonderful font. What on earth would drag you back down to ........ Tahoma? Especially with cleartype disabled. Just get used to it, Windows 7 has Aero, it has Segoe UI,

Seriously, disabling cleartype in Aero? Are you out of your mind? Good lord.

+1

Anyone who loves Tahoma needs to be taken outside and shot......... repeatedly!!!!!!!

Same with Comic Sans!!!!!!

As for Cleartype, never had a problem with it, although tbh, on some monitors, LCD and CRT it does look awful. But switching the font back to Tahoma is just wrong.