Help me choose a Linux Distro


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Hey all,

I'm need a little help picking a new Linux distro for me to migrate to. The problem I'm up against is that my knowledge of the advantages of various distros is quite low. I'm not a complete Linux newbie, but my knowledge with Linux distros is limited basically to only what I've ever needed to know (i.e. Ubuntu), so I could use some expert opinions on which way to go next.

Firstly...

Some Background

I've been a Linux user for some time. My university taught it's CS students primarily using RHEL, and have had a Linux distro installed in some form or another (either on a partition or in Virtualbox) since 2006. Originally, I went for Fedora simply because it was based on Red Hat. But I abandoned Fedora in 2006 when twice it managed to do... something to my partition tables and wipe out both Fedora and Windows XP irrecoverably. Between then and mid-2008, I went Windows only simply because I could go to the labs at the university if I needed to do any Unix-based work.

When my dissertation rolled around in 2008, I decided that I needed a copy of Linux installed to do some of my Unix work at home, since it was very laborious travelling to and from the university to do 30 minutes of work, only to return home to do 3 hours of development in Windows. This time around, I went for Ubuntu, since it was all the rage at the time. From 2008 to the end of 2010, I used Ubuntu inside Virtualbox to do my development, and it was an arrangement that worked well, however I often found myself spending more time in the virtual machine than I did in Windows, so at the start of the year I got hold of a hard drive and installed Ubuntu 10.10 on it. I have been a happy Ubuntu user ever since.

Reason for Changing Distro

I've been warily watching Canonical's work on Unity for a while, and there are two things that I disliked about Ubuntu and it's direction. Firstly, I disliked their take on Gnome. I like the black theme they had going on, but the massive unnecessary integration of things like evolution, Ubuntu One and the like annoyed me. But things weren't all lost, since I could just remove the panels, and did so. This massive integration of services I didn't need felt very... Vista-like, and I ended up spending most of my Ubuntu setup taking out various service panels and pre-installed stuff that I didn't need. Again, this wasn't a big deal.

The two major thumbs down for Ubuntu for me has been...

  1. Unity. I don't like it, at all. I know you can turn it off, but the whole of Gnome 3 looks like ass to me, and so I'm not interested in the direction that the Ubuntu GUI is headed.
  2. Old Software. I mean Jesus, Firefox 4 has been out since mid-March, and it didn't appear for Ubuntu until 11.04, and it's still not available through the 10.10 repositories. Same applies to the Eclipse IDE. Eclipse 3.6 has been available since mid-2010, and it still isn't available in Ubuntu 10.10.

The kicker however came today. I decided that I was going to upgrade to 11.04, since I knew I didn't need to use unity, and I wanted access to newer software via the Software Centre, instead of manually installing everything (no big deal, but Software Centre is still easier). After spending no less than 8 hours running through the damn upgrade process, I rebooted my PC only to find that Ubuntu will not boot. I have tried everything that everyone else on the Internet has suggested, and I just cannot get it to load. It's looking more and more likely that I'm going to have to reinstall from scratch.

That being the case, combined with the fact that I'm not particularly interested in staying with Ubuntu, gives me the opportunity to switch distros.

What I need

I mainly use Linux as a general purpose OS. I do some basic word processing, some spreadsheets, some games, and so on, but mainly I do programming, usually using Eclipse. I have little interest in spending weeks and months tweaking it to suit my needs, and preferably I'd rather not build everything from source, so an equivalent to Ubuntu's "Software Centre" would be a plus but not entirely necessary if it has enough advantages for me to use it.

Primarily though as long as it...

  1. Runs an office suite
  2. Lets me use Eclipse
  3. Lets me browse the web

... I'm open to any suggestion, I'd even be happy to go stick with Ubuntu if it really is the best distro for my needs. Mainly though I'm looking for a list of pros for each distro so that I can pick the best one for me, since I do spend most of my time in it. If you can, please give a reason WHY you're suggesting it. Blank suggestions of distros won't help me, since I can reel off a list of distros already.

Hopefully this can be a stimulating conversation comparing Linux distro's, please please please don't turn this into a flame war.

Regards, and many thanks in advance,

-- Majesticmerc :cat:

p.s. TL;DR: I need suggestions (with reasons) for my next Linux distro to install

p.p.s. Apologies for the wall of text!

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Arch Linux

- You won't find any more bleeding edge distro

- You have to customize it yourselft, there's no bloat

- Very easy to set up, there's like five files you have to edit

- No Unity

- GNOME 3 already in stable

- Rolling-release, every upgrade is totally painless.

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Personally, chuck it all and go BSD ;) But since you want to stay with Linux..

Well, if you like how Ubuntu does things, how about switching desktop environments, or try the minimal installation and skipping GNOME entirely? (Or one of it's derivatives, Kubuntu and such.) Or, if you like how the system works and you dislike the 6 month thing, could always go with Debian Sid.. don't let the "unstable" scare you off, it's actually rather good. I hear Mint is pretty nice as well, although haven't tried a recent build.

As far as Linux goes though, I'm a big fan of Arch. Very up to date, stability isn't typically an issue as new updates are tested first and then pushed to the general repository once deemed stable.. no waiting for months possibly for new packages. Rolling updates, install it once and that's it... let Pacman handle the updates as you see fit and never worry about a full blown dist-upgrade again. I love the BSD style way it does things, very fast and lean. Build it from the ground up to your exact specifications, this is totally opposite from Ubuntu's "everything and the kitchen sink" approach. Very easy to configure as far as *Nix derivatives go, the core of the system is handled in one single file. I also prefer how they handle source code as well versus the Debian style, but that's just personal preference. First time through you might want to have a copy of the wiki handy to follow along with as there's not much hand-holding. It's also very "pure" to the source with pretty much no third party meddling, you get it as the authors intended.

If you want BSD, go for FreeBSD. Arch is the best Linux distro I've used, but FreeBSD is the best OS I've used. You just need to read much more than on Arch.

Second that, and probably one of the reasons I prefer Arch for Linux is just that a lot of it is done in a similar method. Not a fan of the typical Linux Sys V init system for example, it has a Ports work-alike (huge plus), etc etc. BSD has some significant differences from Linux too though, so not something you'll want to jump into blindly.. it is a different operating system and all, not just "the same but different" as you get with various flavors of Linux. Personally, I'd start with Arch (or one of the other quality distros) and start from there. Give that virtual machine a good workout.

I myself was in the same boat as you having used ubuntu since version 8. Unity has royally messed that distribution up. I used archlinux on and off for awile before I switched to ubuntu, and have went back to it. I currently run openbox as a wm, and tint2 as a panel, and only have the stuff I needed/wanted installed, no more of that bloated crap ubuntu wants to instll with everything. gtk themes still work, and arch has one of the best forums ive ever had the pleasure of reading. I migrated every pc in my house from ubuntu to arch saturday, took about 6 hours for them all, and I have super fast systems that do the same thing I used to do on ubuntu, faster. I doubt ill ever switch again. (unless arch forces you to use gnome 3 or gnome 2 with unity :p)

Frankly, if there's enough goodness in BSD, I'd be happy to join that bandwagon too :).

In truth if you want the goodness of BSD (ports), then Gentoo Linux (portage) is the best option. It's definitely the most bare bones and developer orientated distro. Although a tool chain build installation is not for the faint of heart :D But if you want absolute control over how the software on your system is optimised, and what is installed, then Gentoo is perfect.

I've been warily watching Canonical's work on Unity for a while, and there are two things that I disliked about Ubuntu and it's direction. Firstly, I disliked their take on Gnome. I like the black theme they had going on, but the massive unnecessary integration of things like evolution, Ubuntu One and the like annoyed me. But things weren't all lost, since I could just remove the panels, and did so. This massive integration of services I didn't need felt very... Vista-like, and I ended up spending most of my Ubuntu setup taking out various service panels and pre-installed stuff that I didn't need. Again, this wasn't a big deal.

I feel the exact same way as you. I'm not really liking the way Ubuntu is heading so on the weekend I started to use Debian 6 and I love it. It's a bit stricter in the way it does things but that's also a good thing, so I suggest maybe giving Debian a try.

He said he wasn't looking for Fedora, he already had a bad experience with it.

5 years ago :laugh:

I had bad experiences with pretty much every distro back then.

Anyway I am really loving linux mint debian right now. It is based on debian testing so its fairly up to date (still doesn't have firefox 4 though). If you want rolling release definitely go for arch or something debian based. I didn't suggest debian before because even testing can still have some out of date packages and it looks like the op wants more bleeding edge.

Opensuse is a good compromise between rolling release and normal releases. It comes with many repos you can enable to get the latest firefox/gnome/kde ect...

With arch you get a really fast, customizable distro with very up to date software, and an excellent package manager. But it takes a while to setup and requires reading lots of guides :) (its not really that difficult though, and its fun!)

Fedora is very good with keeping up to date packages, but I have some pet peeves with it. Namely the atrocious font rendering (even with freetype-freeworld) and even with the rpm fusion repo its not as good for multimedia as other distros.

Dont bother with Fedora and OpenSuse, you will eventually get frustrated for the same reason that you mentioned.

- plethora of softwares that you don't need

- numerous services that are of no use

As far as Ubuntu goes, I too have the same feeling. Though Unity looks cool, but it still is pain in the ass. I won't tell you to go there. One thing that you may do is, take up a LTS of Ubuntu and use it.

And if you are interested in Debian based distro, Mint is definately worth trying.

But above all my suggestion would be Arch. Its one most suited for you. It is up-to-date, it is light, lets you customize what you want to install, lets you choose in the very beginning which services you want to run etc.

Just to follow up on this topic, I followed the advice of the many and decided to go with Arch....

THANK YOU! This was exactly what I was looking for in Linux. I've got myself a tidy little XFCE setup going. I've had some minor issues getting set up (mostly through me not reading instructions properly), but overall it's a fantastic distro, although you do need patience to set it up. But when you do it's a very slick OS, and stable to boot as well. The documentation as well is some of the best I've seen for Linux too, Ubuntu included. It's current, easy to follow, and full of examples and "This is why you need to do this..." details.

As you may have noticed, I'm very happy with Arch, and can't imagine ever having to go back. :D :bounce:

I'm sure Arch is a great distro. I hear so much good about it, I'm sure I'll one day give it a go.

I wasn't happy with 11.04. I use Ubuntu Studio, and, even though that re-spin doesn't use Unity, it just wouldn't boot on my computer. I just went back to 10.10. I'm hoping that 11.10, which is a Long Term Support release, or whatever LTS means, will sort out the glitches.

I guess I could well use Arch or some other distro. It's just that Ubuntu Studio has a real-time kernel. I know it's probably easy to get any distro to use a real-time kernel, but I don't know how to do it. Too lazy to investigate at the moment, but I should do! lol

Reason for Changing Distro

I've been warily watching Canonical's work on Unity for a while, and there are two things that I disliked about Ubuntu and it's direction. Firstly, I disliked their take on Gnome. I like the black theme they had going on, but the massive unnecessary integration of things like evolution, Ubuntu One and the like annoyed me. But things weren't all lost, since I could just remove the panels, and did so. This massive integration of services I didn't need felt very... Vista-like, and I ended up spending most of my Ubuntu setup taking out various service panels and pre-installed stuff that I didn't need. Again, this wasn't a big deal.

The two major thumbs down for Ubuntu for me has been...

  1. Unity. I don't like it, at all. I know you can turn it off, but the whole of Gnome 3 looks like ass to me, and so I'm not interested in the direction that the Ubuntu GUI is headed.
  2. Old Software. I mean Jesus, Firefox 4 has been out since mid-March, and it didn't appear for Ubuntu until 11.04, and it's still not available through the 10.10 repositories. Same applies to the Eclipse IDE. Eclipse 3.6 has been available since mid-2010, and it still isn't available in Ubuntu 10.10.

The kicker however came today. I decided that I was going to upgrade to 11.04, since I knew I didn't need to use unity, and I wanted access to newer software via the Software Centre, instead of manually installing everything (no big deal, but Software Centre is still easier). After spending no less than 8 hours running through the damn upgrade process, I rebooted my PC only to find that Ubuntu will not boot. I have tried everything that everyone else on the Internet has suggested, and I just cannot get it to load. It's looking more and more likely that I'm going to have to reinstall from scratch.

That being the case, combined with the fact that I'm not particularly interested in staying with Ubuntu, gives me the opportunity to switch distros.

Ack! That's yet another complaint I've seen from an unhappy Ubuntu user in the past few weeks. Unity must be Ubuntu's unlucky charm, or something. Just wondering if this will make Ubuntu lose market share.

Personally, I've tried Unity on my only Ubuntu computer, and I've had second thoughts about it, even considering downgrading to 10.10 or throwing out the OS. It's buggy, awkward, and copies features from both Windows and Mac OS X in its taskbar. If I were you, since you're so attached to Linux I would try installing GNOME on it, or change distros.

However, it wouldn't hurt to try Windows 7, if you haven't already. You mentioned using XP prior to Linux, but I think your opinion of Windows would change if you used the newest version. But if you're not willing, openSUSE is probably your best bet for another Linux distro. ;)

Ack! That's yet another complaint I've seen from an unhappy Ubuntu user in the past few weeks. Unity must be Ubuntu's unlucky charm, or something. Just wondering if this will make Ubuntu lose market share.

It's still new, but from what I've seen, It's not bad. Like anything new, it will take time to get used to, just like Gnome 3. For those not ready for such a change, you can always select Gnome 2 as default desktop on 11.04 when you login. Or failing that, continue with 10.10.

Personally, I've tried Unity on my only Ubuntu computer, and I've had second thoughts about it, even considering downgrading to 10.10 or throwing out the OS. It's buggy, awkward

There are a few bugs, but they will get ironed out over time. Just like there are in every new OS release.

and copies features from both Windows and Mac OS X in its taskbar.

It's nothing like Windows or OS X. The same goes for Gnome 3. They are both completely new paradigms.

However, it wouldn't hurt to try Windows 7, if you haven't already. You mentioned using XP prior to Linux, but I think your opinion of Windows would change if you used the newest version.

He wants a Linux distro, not Windows. Please stay on topic.

Ack! That's yet another complaint I've seen from an unhappy Ubuntu user in the past few weeks. Unity must be Ubuntu's unlucky charm, or something. Just wondering if this will make Ubuntu lose market share.

Personally, I've tried Unity on my only Ubuntu computer, and I've had second thoughts about it, even considering downgrading to 10.10 or throwing out the OS. It's buggy, awkward, and copies features from both Windows and Mac OS X in its taskbar. If I were you, since you're so attached to Linux I would try installing GNOME on it, or change distros.

However, it wouldn't hurt to try Windows 7, if you haven't already. You mentioned using XP prior to Linux, but I think your opinion of Windows would change if you used the newest version. But if you're not willing, openSUSE is probably your best bet for another Linux distro. ;)

XFCE is actually quite adaptable from what I can see, so if I want a gnome-based desktop I think I can pretty much modify XFCE to my tastes. And for what it's worth, I dual-boot with Windows 7 (one HDD for Windows, one HDD for Linux), but I tend to do as much stuff in Linux as I do in Windows, so I can't pick on over the other :).

It's still new, but from what I've seen, It's not bad. Like anything new, it will take time to get used to, just like Gnome 3. For those not ready for such a change, you can always select Gnome 2 as default desktop on 11.04 when you login. Or failing that, continue with 10.10.

I notice how you blindly praise Unity yet in all of your screenshots of your Ubuntu computer on these forums you show a customized version of Ubuntu that doesn't use Unity. Looks like you dislike it too, eh? Don't be ashamed, join the thousands of others who do. ;)

There are a few bugs, but they will get ironed out over time. Just like there are in every new OS release.

Isn't that what was said about 11.04 in the beta release as well? I remember getting the beta, and even if you look on Ubuntu.com there was an error log showing all of the current errors with Ubuntu 11.04, and at the bottom it said that these bugs will be ironed out before the beta release. Yet, I have 11.04 and Unity still crashes at times, windows are slower to move around, and now the Ubuntu Software Center has become buggy and almost unusable (I actually had to restart my computer during one period of use). Now, you could argue that this is just my encounter with 11.04, but there are so many more frustrated Ubuntu users out there who agree. How can you argue with that? :huh:

It's nothing like Windows or OS X. The same goes for Gnome 3. They are both completely new paradigms.

Oh really? You tell me.

Read these:

http://downloadsquad.switched.com/2011/02/26/ubuntu-11-04-unity-keyboard-shortcuts-have-a-distinct-windows-7/

http://www.engadget.com/2011/04/28/ubuntu-11-04-natty-narwhal-brings-new-unity-ui-controversy-to/

From Engadget on Ubuntu 11.04:

It's got integrated search, a combination launcher and taskbar, and app menus that have been moved to the top of the screen ? la OS X -- basically it's harvested the best ideas from Apple and Microsoft and splashed a pretty coat of aubergine paint on it.

Oh, and these pictures may help:

500x_unity-launcher-places.jpg

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rate-itunes-from-dock.png

The Ubuntu "Launcher" looks more like a love child between the Superbar and Dock. :p

He wants a Linux distro, not Windows. Please stay on topic.

He wants an OS that works, and while I suggested openSUSE after that context that you quoted me on, I'm not sure if he hasn't been able to try the newest Windows version after leaving XP. He might find himself liking 7, but would never know if he does not try.

I left Ubuntu and went to Debian. I am quite pleased with the move too. Debian has proven to be very stable with fewer bugs than other distros I've tried, and runs twice as fast on the same hardware, even when compared to Ubuntu 11.04 with the classic Gnome desktop. I don't know what they did in 11.04, but it is SLOW! Unity just feels way too dumbed down. I kept trying to tweak certain settings and add stuff to the panels for information and I felt locked in, so I left and I am thoroughly enjoying Debian 6.0.1. There's a netinstall CD that will do 32 and 64 bit both, you just pick which one when you boot from the disc.

The IRC channels for Debian are much more helpful as well. Ubuntu just seemed like to much of a clusterf**k, Debian's devs in the IRC channels are for the most part very professional and very helpful with the one issue I did have. Another good thing is that about everything ran perfectly fine out of the box. All I had to do was go snag debian-multimedia so I could watch DVDs.

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I do not mind these features, and I genuinely think they are useful, but I would rather have the ability to toggle between screen modes, turn the frontlight on/off, or launch my favorite app. I also agree with people on Reddit asking developers to let users adjust the dial sensitivity. I hope this is something DuRoBo can implement with a software update to make the experience more personalized (it is a Smart Dial, after all) and incentivize users to fiddle with the Dial more often. The Dial is a fantastic idea, so please, guys, improve it a little. As for ergonomics, they are mostly fine, but the dial's position may feel a little awkward and way too high. When I use a phone or a phone-sized gadget, I tend to rest one of its corners on my palm for a more secure grip. With the Krono, such a grip is impossible because you cannot reach the dial even with big hands. You have to lower the reader a bit and hold it like a bottle without any extra support for the bottom edge. Such a grip is not necessarily uncomfortable (the Krono is also light enough for it), but it requires a bit of muscle retraining. Sometimes, I do not bother with the dial and hold the Krono like my phone, flipping through pages with volume buttons, as they are perfectly positioned for my right-hand thumb. Interestingly, when testing the Krono, I would often find myself thinking that a roller embedded in the long plastic cylinder on the back of the device would have been a much more comfortable solution. There is a free idea for you, guys. Software The Krono runs Android 15 with a very minimal launcher on top. The home screen presents you with a list of apps, a scrollable list of widgets, and your user profile. Widgets can display time, calendar, or recent books for quick access. You can also add or remove apps from the home screen to keep the most useful stuff around without tapping "Apps." I like this minimalistic approach; it looks clean, easy to understand, and light. I understand that some may find the list of all apps way too clean, but fortunately, DuRoBo lets you switch to traditional icons. The reader also has a bunch of preinstalled apps: Read: The default app for reading. Browser: A Chromium-based browser. Files: A simple file manager. Music: A simple music player. Spark: A voice recorder with transcription support and AI summarization DuRoBo AI: A built-in AI chatbot. Transfer: An app for file transfer over Wi-Fi. If that is not enough, there is the Google Play Store, where you can download all the extra apps you need, alternative readers, podcast apps, chatbots, and more. DuRoBo is not trying to give you an all-in-one device. The standard software experience is quite minimal, which makes it easy to approach and learn. The standard reader supports EPUB, EPUB3, AZW3, MOBI, PDF, TXT, DOC, and DOCX, which is more than enough to let you read most books without third-party software. As for customizing the reading experience, you can select one of five built-in fonts, adjust size and thickness, adjust margins and spacing (only three variants for each), change text alignment and direction, toggle the reading status bar, and switch to dark mode. There is also text-to-speech, which utilizes Android's default TTS tech. While I like the simplistic approach, I cannot help but feel DuRoBo could have made the built-in reader a bit more customizable. However, I am not going to bog down on this, as you can always install any other reader you prefer using the Play Store or by sideloading an APK. Getting books to the Krono is very simple. Given that the device is an Android smartphone without cellular connectivity, you can transfer files via a USB Type-C cable, download them using the built-in browser, share them over Bluetooth, or use cloud storage. My favorite was the built-in Transfer app. It is simple, reliable, and very well-designed. I was surprised by how well-designed the web portal is. It is fast, pretty, and properly categorized. Well done! Once you have your books loaded, you can highlight or underline text, add annotations, bookmark pages, check the table of contents, and ask AI about the selected text. Unfortunately, the Krono has no built-in vocabulary, but again, that is something a third-party reader could fix. Overall, the built-in reader is light and snappy, with just the minimum amount of features for a regular user to enjoy reading books. The Krono has no built-in reading tracking, so stat nerds will have to look for third-party reading apps. However, you can set a daily reading goal, and the reader will notify you when you reach it (for example, one hour). You can also set a reminder to read at a certain time, and when the time comes, the Krono will light up its back LEDs and unlock itself to nudge you. Other than that, the rear LEDs do nothing, not even showing charging progress, which is an unfortunate misopportunity if you ask me. Quirks aside, Krono's Android runs quite snappily and bug-free. Early reviews of the Krono criticized its Android 13-based software quite a lot, but now, the reader runs Android 15, and its software has fixed plenty of initial complaints. I never experienced any issues with built-in apps. AI attempts The DuRoBo Krono comes with a built-in AI chatbot. There is no information on what model powers this thing, but the system says it was "trained by Google." You can launch the bot from the app list or by double-pressing the dial. It works just like any other chatbot, and you can ask it anything by typing or using voice input. The AI saves your chats, and you can rename, export, or delete them. DuRoBo AI requires an active internet connection, and it does not work offline. Its reach and capabilities are also limited. You can only chat in the app and use it in the reader app as a makeshift vocabulary. However, the implementation is kinda awkward. You can only send a selected portion of text to AI without giving it any requests or instructions. I highlighted the word "dumb," and it apologized to me for not being useful. You also cannot ask follow-up questions or send the generated response to a separate chat. The chatbot is also slow, even with fast Wi-Fi, making the overall experience quite frustrating, which makes me again wish for the ability to remap the double press to something else. Spark, the standard voice recording app, also uses AI for note summarization and transcribing. Neither feature works offline, unfortunately. Spark records notes up to 30 minutes using Krono's dual microphones, and you can rename or export notes. Transcription quality is decent, and the speed is alright, but you can find much better solutions in the Google Play Store. What I like about Spark is that transcribed notes are not locked, and you can always type more to elaborate on your ideas, which is handy. Overall, I like that the Krono is not shoving AI down my throat, but to be honest, there is really not that much to shove. AI features here feel raw and need improvements to be more useful. Battery Life Like most E-Ink readers, the Krono has fantastic battery life. Even with a clock as a screensaver, its standby power consumption is incredibly low. And when in use, you can get weeks of reading on a single charge. Without the front light, my unit never sipped more than one or two percent of battery during a one-hour reading session. It was nice to see plenty of battery-related settings. You can limit charging at 80% to protect battery health long-term, check the number of charging cycles, manufacturing/first-time use date, battery health, and the maximum capacity. Additionally, the Krono lets you select what hardware remains enabled when sleeping. This lets you keep Wi-Fi and Bluetooth on (say, if you want to receive notifications, for some reason) and keep audio playing when locked. Turning these features off effectively eliminates any standby battery drain. I left my Krono sitting for 24 hours with a clock screensaver on, and it did not drop a single percent. The pretty big 3,950 mAh battery justifies the device's thickness and ensures you do not have to charge it for long periods. Speaking of charging, it is capped at only 10W, which is a bit disappointing, as getting such a big battery to 100% takes a notably long time in the era of super-fast charging smartphones. DuRoBo Moodi The Moodi is a standalone, optional accessory for your Krono. It is a wireless remote with two customizable buttons that you can use to flip pages, control media, or scroll webpages. The accessory connects via Bluetooth. Despite having a built-in rechargeable battery, it is extremely light. While the Moodi's shape and form factor is not what I would call particularly ergonomic, it is not uncomfortable to hold and use. The Moodi comes with six removable magnetic buttons with various smiley faces. Buttons sit securely, and they have nice-feeling, albeit a little loud, clicks. It is a cute touch that adds a little more fun and character to the device. There is also an accented power button and a single status LED. The latter displays charging status and connection mode. The Moodi supports three modes: Reading: Buttons work as volume buttons, allowing you to flip pages in the built-in reader or other apps that support page turning with volume buttons. Media: Buttons work as skip forward/backward, which is useful when listening to audiobooks, podcasts, or music. Scroll: The third mode lets you scroll pages in the web browser or any other application The Krono properly detects the Moodi and presents you with an on-screen guide when you connect it for the first time (it also displays the battery level). However, you can only change modes by holding both buttons for a few seconds. It is also worth noting that the Moodi works with other devices. I connected it to my iPhone and it let me adjust volume or control media playback. Sadly, the scroll did not work, so you cannot use it to waste time scrolling TikToks. Overall, the Moodi is a cute little accessory, which I can recommend for those who read a lot. It is very useful for remote page flipping when you do not want to burden your hands by holding the Krono all the time. I only wish DuRoBo included a lanyard for the built-in loop. As for the battery life, after using the Moodi for a few days, I only managed to drop several percent of its 90 mAh battery. Despite the small size, it is rated for weeks of use, which is pretty impressive. At $35.99, I cannot say the Moodi is a must-have accessory, but I see the appeal. I prefer using the Krono with its Smart Dial, as I rarely read for more than 40-60 minutes in one sitting. However, if you have a stand and like reading for long periods, the Moodi is the right thing to have. It is a bit more expensive than regular page flippers on Amazon, but it is on par with similar products from Kobo or BOOX. Plus, it has a little more fun to it with removable buttons and better integration into the Krono. Conclusion At the end of the day, DuRoBo Krono is a nice pocket-sized e-reader. Its software focuses on the main things without trying to be everything at once. The smart dial idea is unique and great, and I wish more manufacturers had something similar in their devices. The display is also good, with an even frontlight and "always-on" support. I did not notice any deal-breaking issues with the Krono. However, you can feel that the idea needs some improvements, such as a slightly stiffer dial in a more ergonomic location, perhaps a little more premium materials, and better software customization. I hope the company won't give up on the idea and improve the dial and ergonomics in the second generation. Buy DuRoBo Krono Black - $279.99 on Amazon Buy DuRoBo Krono White - $279.99 on Amazon Buy DuRoBo Moodi - $35.99 on Amazon As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases.
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