Foxconn to deploy 10,000 robots on assembly lines to replace human workers

According to comments made by CEO Terry Gou in a recent shareholders' meeting, Apple manufacturer Foxconn may soon roll out robots on its assembly lines in order to replace human workers and cut down on manufacturing costs.

The robots, which could potentially help construct Apple's rumored-to-be-upcoming iPhone 6, are in the final stages of testing and are set to be deployed in at least one Foxconn factory in the future. The robot worker plan was first announced in 2011, and the 'Foxbots' are entering the final stages of testing -- which means that they could see deployment on Foxconn assembly lines very soon.

Each robot apparently costs upwards of $20,000 to create, but for a company which boasts a workforce of 1.23 million, assembly line robots could be very well worth the steep price tag. Foxconn is still in the midst of a long-term public relations crisis, after numerous allegations of employee mistreatment and multiple cases of employee suicide. Since robots don't feel emotion, Foxconn won't have to worry about providing basic human rights to the 1 million robotic workers it eventually plans to roll out.

The company still relies heavily on human production, though, as they were reported to have hired 100,000 additional workers ahead of the rumored iPhone 6 release. The robots could be deployed in time for production of the iPhone 6, but human workers would still handle the bulk of the work -- at least for the time being.

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Wow.

All of this outrage over automation. How many of you drive a car made in the last decade.

Chances are, if you paid less than $40k for it, human hands never touched its assembly.

This will see the production costs drop dramatically, and I for one welcome the change. Sure corporations will keep the difference as profit, but those people who "no longer have jobs" will be freed to find their true passion and ambition, rather than slaving away for chump change to make the shiny things we westerners love so much.

deadonthefloor said,
This will see the production costs drop dramatically, and I for one welcome the change. Sure corporations will keep the difference as profit, but those people who "no longer have jobs" will be freed to find their true passion and ambition, rather than slaving away for chump change to make the shiny things we westerners love so much.
And how are they meant to pursue their "true passion and ambition" without a job to pay for accommodation or food? Unless their ambition is to starve in abject poverty, in which case they're sorted.

theyarecomingforyou said,
And how are they meant to pursue their "true passion and ambition" without a job to pay for accommodation or food?

You got me.
That's always the line the "job creators" use when modernization takes away montonous labour.

If Detroit is the current living example, I guess move or wither.

One of the few times I am for replacing humans for robots mainly because of the labor conditions over there

One small step for Foxconn, one big step towards oblivion. People's own fault, really. Should've limited their own production, not breeding like damn rabbits, millions upon millions.

China actually has population controls in place, unlike most countries.

Further, it's extremely insulting and demeaning to compare human populations to rabbits. That sort of contempt for other human beings is what led to the rise of Hitler.

Good, that was my intent.

Humanity must begin to acknowledge that they are the most insulting beings, to themselves people are the single biggest problem. Overpopulation, exhaustion of resources, beyond reckless, out of hand. Screw the planet, the planet's fine, the people are suffering, and nothing, nothing at all will prevent that. Yet life's sacred, beautiful and wonderful.

Come to the third world, I'll show you why people voted for Hitler and fought till death for Hitler. History teaches to remember who he was, when he was born and what he did, but not how and why the whole nation allowed, enabled, encouraged it to happen.

Hitler is the worst offender against humanity then? What about North Korea? Isn't life of NK people sacred, aren't they human beings? Or only worth lip-service pity? And there's loads of other oppressed people and regimes, if one doesn't want to tangle with that sort of caliber right away.

In China, why does the population number keep climbing at a rate of 7 million per year? 7 damn million that, robots or no robots, just might have no jobs, no shelter, no medicine, no future.

And where will they go? There's 7 billion other people here already, and there's no stopping.

It's not getting any better, anyhow. Insulting is the only way one can crankshaft some sort of action other than the routine humanity and life lip-service from first world profligates.

/rant

Phouchg said,
Good, that was my intent.

Humanity must begin to acknowledge that they are the most insulting beings, to themselves people are the single biggest problem. Overpopulation, exhaustion of resources, beyond reckless, out of hand. Screw the planet, the planet's fine, the people are suffering, and nothing, nothing at all will prevent that. Yet life's sacred, beautiful and wonderful.

Come to the third world, I'll show you why people voted for Hitler and fought till death for Hitler. History teaches to remember who he was, when he was born and what he did, but not how and why the whole nation allowed, enabled, encouraged it to happen.

Hitler is the worst offender against humanity then? What about North Korea? Isn't life of NK people sacred, aren't they human beings? Or only worth lip-service pity? And there's loads of other oppressed people and regimes, if one doesn't want to tangle with that sort of caliber right away.

In China, why does the population number keep climbing at a rate of 7 million per year? 7 damn million that, robots or no robots, just might have no jobs, no shelter, no medicine, no future.

And where will they go? There's 7 billion other people here already, and there's no stopping.

It's not getting any better, anyhow. Insulting is the only way one can crankshaft some sort of action other than the routine humanity and life lip-service from first world profligates.

/rant


?

Sorry, having an extremely bad day at work. Surely I could have done it without posting this crazy rant.

I'm not sure if I want to take it all back, though. I'll need to re-read, evaluate and see.

While we're on the subject of didn't need - you didn't need to quote the whole deal to put a single question mark under something that looks stupid the more you look at it. You missed your "Hello", too.

Phouchg said,
Sorry, having an extremely bad day at work. Surely I could have done it without posting this crazy rant.

I'm not sure if I want to take it all back, though. I'll need to re-read, evaluate and see.

While we're on the subject of didn't need - you didn't need to quote the whole deal to put a single question mark under something that looks stupid the more you look at it. You missed your "Hello", too.


I quoted it because it was so stupid it needed to be highlighted. Id even go as far as it being racist in some points.

Keep then to your comfortable first world dreamworld, profligates. Problems at hand are far more grave than you'd ever endlessly debate about.

Phouchg said,
Keep then to your comfortable first world dreamworld, profligates. Problems at hand are far more grave than you'd ever endlessly debate about.

*facepalm*

Phouchg said,
Why? I'm content with embarassing myself from time to time. I laugh at me myself, regularly.

Ah ok :) Then that's fine. We all make mistakes as humans and laughing is the best remedy :) Great to hear!

I don't think their programming allows them to self terminate. But they might allow you to lower them into the molten steel.

The_Observer said,
Should cut down the suicide rate, wait can robots commit suicide?

They can be programed to...LOL

But I don't think the suicide rate will diminish when Foxconn employees start killing themselves after finding out they lost their already miserable jobs.

Master of Earth said,
The robot might use enormous of electricity that cost tenfold of a typical employee salary.

Don't fall for that. There are plenty of energy resources (renewable or not) that can power thousands of robots over a long time at a small cost.

riahc3 said,

Don't fall for that. There are plenty of energy resources (renewable or not) that can power thousands of robots over a long time at a small cost.

It also demur the question of how energy efficient those robot during the operation process which's crucial to the environment healthiness.

Master of Earth said,

It also demur the question of how energy efficient those robot during the operation process which's crucial to the environment healthiness.

I was completely ignoring the environment factor which personally I do not take in count for. I think worrying too much about the environment sometimes slows us down.

Yes it is important of course but if I had a choice, Id choose almost everything instead of the environment.

Besides robots to make stuff, you need to generate wallets rich enough to buy that stuff. I hope they are good at robot recycling.

Kravex said,
Then those unemployed people will have no money to buy your products.

Yes! But that is what is happening all around the world. Every day we have more people and less jobs.

People think this will save tonnes of money on their mobile phones, it won't. They're staff are paid sweet ###### all, so the cost saving is going to be minimal per device anyway.

Nashy said,
People think this will save tonnes of money on their mobile phones, it won't. They're staff are paid sweet ###### all, so the cost saving is going to be minimal per device anyway.

Ugh... "They're" staff are paid? They are staff are paid? It needs to learns the engrish.

wernercd said,

Ugh... "They're" staff are paid? They are staff are paid? It needs to learns the engrish.

My apologies, my phone auto corrected it to the incorrect grammar. Feel free to discuss the topic at hand if you want rather than just being a grammar Nazi, no one thinks you're clever.

HoochieMamma said,
They are doing this as robots won't jump off their buildings for getting paid almost nothing.

You may not see robots jumping off roofs, but you might see iPhones and iPads being thrown off the roofs by laid off Foxconn employees. Then you will see an already miserable employee get even more miserable now that they have no job and follow the iphone\ipad on the way down.

I know many factory workers don't like this but since I don't work in that area, I could care less.

This is what needs to be done. Replace human workers with robots.

24 hours a day.
7 days a week.

Non stop production. In a sense, we might even see in the future, since production is SO high (and there is way too much stock), prices come down. Who knows?

I just know that human workers that assemble devices have got to go...

riahc3 said,
I know many factory workers don't like this but since I don't work in that area, I could care less.

This is what needs to be done. Replace human workers with robots.

24 hours a day.
7 days a week.

Non stop production. In a sense, we might even see in the future, since production is SO high (and there is way too much stock), prices come down. Who knows?

I just know that human workers that assemble devices have got to go...

I wonder where those humans are going to get income :(

Not important. No country for those who can't make money.

Eventually the market will be split into two. Luxurious products & services for those who doesn't need to ask for price; and dirt cheap low-quality stuffs for those who are just kept barely alive.
The "good enough" bang-for-the-bucks segment will eventually be gone.

riahc3 said,
I know many factory workers don't like this but since I don't work in that area, I could care less.

You could? Pray tell, how much less could you care, exactly?

Personally, I couldn't care less, even if I tried.

:p

riahc3 said,
I know many factory workers don't like this but since I don't work in that area, I could care less.

This is what needs to be done. Replace human workers with robots.

24 hours a day.
7 days a week.

Non stop production. In a sense, we might even see in the future, since production is SO high (and there is way too much stock), prices come down. Who knows?

I just know that human workers that assemble devices have got to go...


Prices will not go down. Foxconn will not over produce a product. They can easily cut back on production or ramp it up. Production is based on demand for the product, the availability of materials to produce the product, among other factors. It's like the oil industry. They won't produce oil to keep the price per barrel high. Apple will keep their pricing scheme the same a reap the benefits of a higher profit margin.

Mugwump00 said,
Interesting theory - the end of aspiration? Please explain the precedent for this?

Simple supply vs. demand economics and a company that will seek to squeeze every last drop of profit imaginable. The precedent for this has been set centuries ago. The fact that Apple's mark up of over 300% for the iphone is currently happening is the proof, not a theory.

Gergel7077 said,

Simple supply vs. demand economics and a company that will seek to squeeze every last drop of profit imaginable. The precedent for this has been set centuries ago. The fact that Apple's mark up of over 300% for the iphone is currently happening is the proof, not a theory.

So, every company out there then, not just Apple? You may want to try hide the bias in the future.

Beyond Godlike said,

I wonder where those humans are going to get income :(


I do not work in a factory and I get a income just fine.

Gergel7077 said,

Prices will not go down. Foxconn will not over produce a product. They can easily cut back on production or ramp it up. Production is based on demand for the product, the availability of materials to produce the product, among other factors. It's like the oil industry. They won't produce oil to keep the price per barrel high. Apple will keep their pricing scheme the same a reap the benefits of a higher profit margin.

Foxconn makes more things for other companies besides Apple...

If it gives them profit, they might produce more to waste less.

riahc3 said,
I know many factory workers don't like this but since I don't work in that area, I could care less.

This is what needs to be done. Replace human workers with robots.

24 hours a day.
7 days a week.

Non stop production. In a sense, we might even see in the future, since production is SO high (and there is way too much stock), prices come down. Who knows?

I just know that human workers that assemble devices have got to go...


"prices come down"
apple article

Quality jest mate. 10/10

stevan said,

So, every company out there then, not just Apple? You may want to try hide the bias in the future.


What bias? Apple is Foxconn's biggest manufacturing partner. Sure there are others, but Apple being the biggest should get the biggest scrutiny. Apple also has the largest markup of any manufacturer, included Samsung. Don't get ticked off because it's true, get ticked off that you or anyone else has to pay those huge markups.

Gergel7077 said,

What bias? Apple is Foxconn's biggest manufacturing partner. Sure there are others, but Apple being the biggest should get the biggest scrutiny. Apple also has the largest markup of any manufacturer, included Samsung. Don't get ticked off because it's true, get ticked off that you or anyone else has to pay those huge markups.

Look at all your anti Apple replies that other have pointed out...you'll see nothing but bias. You also conveniently left out recent reports that conditions in SAMSUNG factories were worse than those of Apple. Or that Foxconn pays more than other factories in China?

As for the markup, it doesn't ###### me off, it's what the market dictates. When people don't feel like paying the market prices for iPhones then Apple will drop the price. That's how capitalism works. You should take a class on it.

Want to be ###### off at large markups? Go protest against movie popcorn or printer cable prices...

riahc3 said,

I do not work in a factory and I get a income just fine.


Foxconn makes more things for other companies besides Apple...

If it gives them profit, they might produce more to waste less.


Yes they do, but they will only produce more if their demand forecasts warrant it and\or if available materials will allow it. If forecasts of demand is 20% less from previous forecasts, foxconn will not produce at 100% capacity. They will cut back to avoid having produced too much product. Of course their forecasts could be off, but that's why its a forecast.

Same thing with supply of materials. Apple has had to cut back on production several times due to not enough display supply. As a result, Foxconn cuts back on production. They have no choice.

stevan said,

Look at all your anti Apple replies that other have pointed out...you'll see nothing but bias. You also conveniently left out recent reports that conditions in SAMSUNG factories were worse than those of Apple. Or that Foxconn pays more than other factories in China?

As for the markup, it doesn't ###### me off, it's what the market dictates. When people don't feel like paying the market prices for iPhones then Apple will drop the price. That's how capitalism works. You should take a class on it.

Want to be ###### off at large markups? Go protest against movie popcorn or printer cable prices...


With all the WP bias, you shouldn't be the one to talk. But I will have you know that I couldn't possibly have any bias since I do not own any WP, iOS, or Android device. I speak from opinion, not from brand loyalty in any shape or form.

You actually think I pay those ridiculously large markups for popcorn or soda at the movie theater? Heck no. If anything, I sneak in my own snacks. I don't even buy the hotdogs or beer at the ballpark. Only suckers pay those prices.

Gergel7077 said,

With all the WP bias, you shouldn't be the one to talk. But I will have you know that I couldn't possibly have any bias since I do not own any WP, iOS, or Android device. I speak from opinion, not from brand loyalty in any shape or form.

You actually think I pay those ridiculously large markups for popcorn or soda at the movie theater? Heck no. If anything, I sneak in my own snacks. I don't even buy the hotdogs or beer at the ballpark. Only suckers pay those prices.

Wow, you really missed the point with that one.

stevan said,

Wow, you really missed the point with that one.


I'm not surprised. Real intellect has short circuited your brain. You obviously haven't a clue.

Gergel7077 said,

I'm not surprised. Real intellect has short circuited your brain. You obviously haven't a clue.

Changing the subject is the last resort to loosing an argument. Please tell me more about how Apple is the only evil company in the world using outsourced production and trying to maximize profits.

Gergel7077 said,

Simple supply vs. demand...

I was replying to RLuka, not looking for an O-Level lesson. That there is only a market for extreme luxury and gruel for the rest (?). The Smartfone market well illustrates that any market stratifies driven by consumer aspiration to provide product at many levels.

Otherwise there'd still be just the 1%ers with their £1100 iPhones & Daimler Stahlradwagens and the rest of us with our Nokia 2600s on Shank's.

As it happens, mid-range quality goes up, costs come down making the high-end less 'high-end' or even more expensive, or they have-to commoditize. Looks like Apple are trying all.

stevan said,

Changing the subject is the last resort to loosing an argument. Please tell me more about how Apple is the only evil company in the world using outsourced production and trying to maximize profits.


I will do that when you show me where I said Apple WAS THE ONLY company that does that. Show me where I say that. Can you do that?

Gergel7077 said,

I will do that when you show me where I said Apple WAS THE ONLY company that does that. Show me where I say that. Can you do that?

Your anti Apple bias is too obvious. Saying wrong things that Apple has the largest markup when I pointed out the products that have a much, much larger markup. But please, continue...

Mugwump00 said,

I was replying to RLuka, not looking for an O-Level lesson. That there is only a market for extreme luxury and gruel for the rest (?). The Smartfone market well illustrates that any market stratifies driven by consumer aspiration to provide product at many levels.

Otherwise there'd still be just the 1%ers with their £1100 iPhones & Daimler Stahlradwagens and the rest of us with our Nokia 2600s on Shank's.

As it happens, mid-range quality goes up, costs come down making the high-end less 'high-end' or even more expensive, or they have-to commoditize. Looks like Apple are trying all.


My bad, your reply didn't state who you were replying to and it just happened to be below my comment. It was an O-Level reply.

stevan said,

Your anti Apple bias is too obvious. Saying wrong things that Apple has the largest markup when I pointed out the products that have a much, much larger markup. But please, continue...


So in other words, YOU CAN'T justify your accusation, CAN YOU? That fact that saying Apple does have the largest markup is true. Show me where that is not true and I can provide multiple links that says it is. Just because your example of popcorn at a theater exists does NOT negate the fact that what I said IS TRUE. Prove me wrong!!!

Gergel7077 said,

So in other words, YOU CAN'T justify your accusation, CAN YOU? That fact that saying Apple does have the largest markup is true. Show me where that is not true and I can provide multiple links that says it is. Just because your example of popcorn at a theater exists does NOT negate the fact that what I said IS TRUE. Prove me wrong!!!

Why are you using caps and exclamation marks? There's no need for it, this is a forum not a shouting match. I showed you proof. You showed that Apple has lots of markup. You never showed that it has the most.

I can picture you now, shouting at your computer screen because people don't take your opinions as facts.

stevan said,

Why are you using caps and exclamation marks? There's no need for it, this is a forum not a shouting match. I showed you proof. You showed that Apple has lots of markup. You never showed that it has the most.

I can picture you now, shouting at your computer screen because people don't take your opinions as facts.


First off, thanks for the non response to my challenge to prove me wrong. What you did was just typing words that don't show squat.

Second, I am not shouting. You obviously can't tell the difference between shouting and showing emphasis on certain words to make my point. Get a clue.

Gergel7077 said,

First off, thanks for the non response to my challenge to prove me wrong. What you did was just typing words that don't show squat.

Second, I am not shouting. You obviously can't tell the difference between shouting and showing emphasis on certain words to make my point. Get a clue.

So you need to use caps (which is against forum rules) and exclamation points to prove your point?

How about some facts for a change? It would surprise me to see se facts come from your posts.

stevan said,

So you need to use caps (which is against forum rules) and exclamation points to prove your point?

How about some facts for a change? It would surprise me to see se facts come from your posts.

Haven't checked the rules here in a while, but I'm pretty sure it would say that you shouldn't have your whole post in caps. Here and there for emphasis is fine.

Gergel7077 said,

First off, thanks for the non response to my challenge to prove me wrong. What you did was just typing words that don't show squat.

Second, I am not shouting. You obviously can't tell the difference between shouting and showing emphasis on certain words to make my point. Get a clue.

Maybe Bold or Italic for emphasis might come across a bit less shouty (Y)

Edit: OK, why won't the bold code stick?
Edit 2: Because I'm an idiot!!!!

Edited by FiB3R, Jul 7 2014, 6:05pm :

D. FiB3R said,

Haven't checked the rules here in a while, but I'm pretty sure it would say that you shouldn't have your whole post in caps. Here and there for emphasis is fine.


Thank you for the clarification.
Here is what it actually says..."Don't use all caps or special characters to draw attention to your post."
I did not use all caps to draw anyone's attention. I had Stevan's attention waaaaay before that...LOL.

Gergel7077 said,

Here are your facts...
http://www.forbes.com/sites/be...0/iphone-5-markup-tops-300/

Again, prove me wrong.

My god was I hoping you would quote that article and you granted me the wish. First:

Please note that these teardown assessments are preliminary in nature, account only for hardware and manufacturing costs and do not include other expenses such as software, licensing, royalties or other expenditures.

Secondly, I'll emphasize a very important word for you: estimates

Apple and it's supply partners have never and will never reveal exactly how much individual components cost. Therefore all these reports are estimates. And estimates are not facts.

See how easy that was? No caps or exclamation marks.

stevan said,

My god was I hoping you would quote that article and you granted me the wish. First:

Secondly, I'll emphasize a very important word for you: estimates

Apple and it's supply partners have never and will never reveal exactly how much individual components cost. Therefore all these reports are estimates. And estimates are not facts.

See how easy that was? No caps or exclamation marks.


In case you don't realize this, every manufacturer has to pay other expenses such as software, licensing, royalties or other expenditures. The fact remains that Apple has the highest markups compared to other manufacturers

Of course they are estimates, they are ALL estimates. But just because they are estimates does NOT mean it isn't true. Oooops, I used caps to emphasize a word...lol. Estimates are as close to fact as anyone can get. Next time why don't you try complaining about something more important, like the fact I used four "o's" instead of two to emphasize the word oooops.

Gergel7077 said,

In case you don't realize this, every manufacturer has to pay other expenses such as software, licensing, royalties or other expenditures. The fact remains that Apple has the highest markups compared to other manufacturers

Of course they are estimates, they are ALL estimates. But just because they are estimates does NOT mean it isn't true. Oooops, I used caps to emphasize a word...lol. Estimates are as close to fact as anyone can get. Next time why don't you try complaining about something more important, like the fact I used four "o's" instead of two to emphasize the word oooops.

From the same site you used:

The iSuppli BOM breakdown for the Tab, which we've reproduced below, estimates that the total cost of the components in the Samsung tablet comes to around $205. The BOM estimation for the 16GB 3G iPad is $59 more.

And once again, estimates are not and never will be facts. They can come as close as you want them to but until we get official numbers from Apple, estimates are all that there is. I don't understand the rest of your post. It's gibberish.

You're turning this into "prove Gergel wrong" Monday. Please continue.....

stevan said,

From the same site you used:

And once again, estimates are not and never will be facts. They can come as close as you want them to but until we get official numbers from Apple, estimates are all that there is. I don't understand the rest of your post. It's gibberish.

You're turning this into "prove Gergel wrong" Monday. Please continue.....

You just can't stand it can you? Having your beloved Apple get shot down by the truth. Don't be mad, so sad. :(

Gergel7077 said,

You just can't stand it can you? Having your beloved Apple get shot down by the truth. Don't be mad, so sad. :(

Well let's see, I wasn't the one using caps letters or exclamation marks to show my anger. Nor was I using estimates from companies that specialize in estimates as facts. Sad indeed.

Please continue....

stevan said,

Well let's see, I wasn't the one using caps letters or exclamation marks to show my anger. Nor was I using estimates from companies that specialize in estimates as facts. Sad indeed.

Please continue....


LOL...so you think emphasis on words is showing anger? I guess putting caps on LOL really shows my anger...LOL. Grrrrrrr. Ahahahaaaaaaa.

Oh btw, since you were so focused and angered on the estimates angle, because they are estimates, it could mean that Apple has an even higher markup than they estimated. Maybe it's 330%. LOL LOL LOL AHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA!!!

Gergel7077 said,

LOL...so you think emphasis on words is showing anger? I guess putting caps on LOL really shows my anger...LOL. Grrrrrrr. Ahahahaaaaaaa.

Oh btw, since you were so focused on the estimates angle you were so happy about, because they are estimates, it could mean that Apple has an even higher markup than they estimated. Maybe it's 330%. LOL LOL LOL AHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA!!!

Exactly. Because nowhere did I say that Apple having so much markup is bad. Only that's how capitalism works and that your so called "facts" are nothing but estimates. I pointed out that every company out there wants to maximize profits, seeing how Samsung tabs cost less to produce than iPads but are sold at same price.

I simply wanted to discredit you and you actually did all the work for me. Thanks.

Now please continue...

stevan said,

Exactly. Because nowhere did I say that Apple having so much markup is bad. Only that's how capitalism works and that your so called "facts" are nothing but estimates. I pointed out that every company out there wants to maximize profits, seeing how Samsung tabs cost less to produce than iPads but are sold at same price.

I simply wanted to discredit you and you actually did all the work for me. Thanks.

Now please continue...


You can never discredit me. You couldn't discredit a compulsive liar. I provided you with proof, you can't accept it, and now all you can do whine about it. Boo hoo.

Gergel7077 said,

You can never discredit me. You couldn't discredit a compulsive liar. I provided you with proof, you can't accept it, and now all you can do whine about it. Boo hoo.

Sorry I was really trying to keep this civil, educated and grown up but you simply can't keep it going. I was was only one who could see through your bias id back off. But several other members have called you out on it. I don't want to embarrass you any more so I'll quit now. I'll come back when you post hard facts.

riahc3 said,
I know many factory workers don't like this but since I don't work in that area, I could care less.

This is what needs to be done. Replace human workers with robots.

24 hours a day.
7 days a week.

Non stop production. In a sense, we might even see in the future, since production is SO high (and there is way too much stock), prices come down. Who knows?

I just know that human workers that assemble devices have got to go...

Reading stuff like this is why I come to Neowin less and less. There's just so much stupid in one post.

stevan said,

Sorry I was really trying to keep this civil, educated and grown up but you simply can't keep it going. I was was only one who could see through your bias id back off. But several other members have called you out on it. I don't want to embarrass you any more so I'll quit now. I'll come back when you post hard facts.


The embarrassed saying that I am embarrassed...you really should be a comedian. It stopped being civil as soon as you made your first comment. I already showed you the hard facts, but you are in denial and won't accept the truth. So be it. Apple will always be grateful for the people like you that keep their pockets full for selling items that cost a third of what you have to pay. Congrats. Have a nice day.

Davo said,

Reading stuff like this is why I come to Neowin less and less. There's just so much stupid in one post.

Care to explain why?

I don't work in a factory assembling things so this does not affect me.
Robots don't have emotions/feelings so they don't get tired or/and slack off and/or depressed
Robots do not get a income which in turn the company does not spend.
Even though some good valid points have been brought up (such as speeding up or slowing down production), bigger production might bring small prices for consumers (points have been made against that)

So please, why is my post "stupid"?

BTW, I have no idea how this got into a Apple markup price war. Im (and the article) isn't about the iPhone. Its just about using robots.

Gergel7077 said,

The embarrassed saying that I am embarrassed...you really should be a comedian. It stopped being civil as soon as you made your first comment. I already showed you the hard facts, but you are in denial and won't accept the truth. So be it. Apple will always be grateful for the people like you that keep their pockets full for selling items that cost a third of what you have to pay. Congrats. Have a nice day.

The only facts that you've provided are that you're up to your eyeballs in confirmation bias. As stevan has pointed out, and he's 100% right on this, is the, "facts," you've linked to are not only two months shy of being two years old, but it's based on estimates that have been spun into an, "OMG Apple charges too much you guys," article.

So, with that, I have to ask you in what reality is a calculated guess considered a fact?

IHS iSuppli wasn't making the claim that the iPhone 5 had a 300% mark up. It was Forbes, and you're ignorantly parroting it. You can not base what the mark up percentage is solely on a bill of materials. There are other burdens that a company has to bear to order to make a product, and the original source of the estimates (facts where you're from) even says that.

Please note that these teardown assessments are preliminary in nature, account only for hardware and manufacturing costs and do not include other expenses such as software, licensing, royalties or other expenditures.

Expenditures, i.e., what it cost to keep the lights on, and Tim Cook well fed while making the iPhone.

So, there's nothing to deny, or no truth to accept because you haven't presented any, and also, you've done a really good job at disproving yourself.

benthebear said,

The only facts that you've provided are that you're up to your eyeballs in confirmation bias. As stevan has pointed out, and he's 100% right on this, is the, "facts," you've linked to are not only two months shy of being two years old, but it's based on estimates that have been spun into an, "OMG Apple charges too much you guys," article.

So, with that, I have to ask you in what reality is a calculated guess considered a fact?

IHS iSuppli wasn't making the claim that the iPhone 5 had a 300% mark up. It was Forbes, and you're ignorantly parroting it. You can not base what the mark up percentage is solely on a bill of materials. There are other burdens that a company has to bear to order to make a product, and the original source of the estimates (facts where you're from) even says that.

Expenditures, i.e., what it cost to keep the lights on, and Tim Cook well fed while making the iPhone.

So, there's nothing to deny, or no truth to accept because you haven't presented any, and also, you've done a really good job at disproving yourself.

Coherent, educated and well written posts like these is why I keep coming back to this site. Thanks Ben.

benthebear said,

The only facts that you've provided are that you're up to your eyeballs in confirmation bias. As stevan has pointed out, and he's 100% right on this, is the, "facts," you've linked to are not only two months shy of being two years old, but it's based on estimates that have been spun into an, "OMG Apple charges too much you guys," article.

So, with that, I have to ask you in what reality is a calculated guess considered a fact?

IHS iSuppli wasn't making the claim that the iPhone 5 had a 300% mark up. It was Forbes, and you're ignorantly parroting it. You can not base what the mark up percentage is solely on a bill of materials. There are other burdens that a company has to bear to order to make a product, and the original source of the estimates (facts where you're from) even says that.

Expenditures, i.e., what it cost to keep the lights on, and Tim Cook well fed while making the iPhone.

So, there's nothing to deny, or no truth to accept because you haven't presented any, and also, you've done a really good job at disproving yourself.


They are two years old because it's about the iphone 5, which came out, you guessed it, almost two years ago. DUH!!!

The fact is that with almost every product Apple releases, the markup is astounding, whether it is estimated or not. The real bias is not with me, it's with you and Stevan that won't acknowledge it because of your own bias for Apple and against everyone else. I know the truth hurts but you guys eventually have to just suck it up.

What you don't seem to understand is that this is not the only article that states Apples markup is extremely high. Forbes is not some blog site run by an 11 year old. While this is an estimate, it's probably one of the more accurate ones. But on the flip side of the coin, the estimate could very well be too low, which conveniently, you make no mention of. Bias on your part? I think yes.

Come back to me when both you and Stevan start acknowledging the truth.

stevan said,

Coherent, educated and well written posts like these is why I keep coming back to this site. Thanks Ben.


Read what I wrote to benthebear. The truth hurts, deal with it.

Gergel7077 said,

Read what I wrote to benthebear. The truth hurts, deal with it.

Sorry you lost, as Ben stated as well, when you started passing off estimates as facts. People here will take you more seriously when you start writing coherent and educated replies. Until then we know what to expect from you.

stevan said,

Sorry you lost, as Ben stated as well, when you started passing off estimates as facts. People here will take you more seriously when you start writing coherent and educated replies. Until then we know what to expect from you.


As I stated before, just because it's an estimate does NOT mean it's NOT true. The truth hurts, deal with it and stop your whining.

torrentthief said,

liar, they have other robots designed to oil those robots :p

liar, the robots are each connected to a large supply of oil

Indeed. Unfortunately that means massive unemployment and fewer customers who are able to afford such products.

Think of all the business models that will become obsolete:
Taxis; driving instructors (replaced by self-driving vehicles)
Fast food (replaced by robots and 3D printers)
Supermarket till staff (automated home delivery, self-checkout tills)
Construction (replaced by automated building techniques)

Without the working masses to exploit and to buy their products there will be no money to be made for the wealthy elite, meaning capitalism will be unable to survive. Hopefully then we can usher in the Star Trek era in which money ceases to exist and the basic needs of all humans are met.

theyarecomingforyou said,
Indeed. Unfortunately that means massive unemployment and fewer customers who are able to afford such products.

Think of all the business models that will become obsolete:
Taxis; driving instructors (replaced by self-driving vehicles)
Fast food (replaced by robots and 3D printers)
Supermarket till staff (automated home delivery, self-checkout tills)
Construction (replaced by automated building techniques)

Without the working masses to exploit and to buy their products there will be no money to be made for the wealthy elite, meaning capitalism will be unable to survive. Hopefully then we can usher in the Star Trek era in which money ceases to exist and the basic needs of all humans are met.


Foxconn will lower the cost of production of product. But do you really think you will see lower prices of, say, Apple products as a result? Apple's profit margin will probably go from 300% to 350% for the iPhone and no price reductions that are already exorbitant.

Gergel7077 said,
Foxconn will lower the cost of production of product. But do you really think you will see lower prices of, say, Apple products as a result? Apple's profit margin will probably go from 300% to 350% for the iPhone and no price reductions that are already exorbitant.

Of course not. My point was that reducing the percentage of employed people decreases demand for goods and services, as less people are able to afford them. Apple can only continue to charge such prices if people are able to afford them and willing to do so.

Take Spain, for instance - youth unemployment there is over 57%, meaning that a significant portion of the population is unable to engage in the economy. That can only continue for so long before there is a revolution to rebalance society.

theyarecomingforyou said,

Of course not. My point was that reducing the percentage of employed people decreases demand for goods and services, as less people are able to afford them. Apple can only continue to charge such prices if people are able to afford them and willing to do so.

Take Spain, for instance - youth unemployment there is over 57%, meaning that a significant portion of the population is unable to engage in the economy. That can only continue for so long before there is a revolution to rebalance society.


I agree with you. The big winner will be Apple and the loser will be the consumer.

theyarecomingforyou said,

Without the working masses to exploit and to buy their products there will be no money to be made for the wealthy elite, meaning capitalism will be unable to survive. Hopefully then we can usher in the Star Trek era in which money ceases to exist and the basic needs of all humans are met.

Ushering in the Star Trek era requires more than what you are laying out here. You can't just remove money and suddenly we are in a utopia. You would also have to remove any concept of earning a reward for the work you do (that could be in the form of money, but also trade, better treatment, etc). Governments would have to stop all taxation and spending at the same time. Things like food replicators would be a crucial first step in the process as well.

While your right that many people will be looking for work as technology replaces them in several fields, there will still be many many people that are working and earning a living.

Its an interesting idea, but its going to be a very very long time before that becomes a possibility, and it might require a world-wide catastrophe to set off.

theyarecomingforyou said,
Indeed. Unfortunately that means massive unemployment and fewer customers who are able to afford such products.

Think of all the business models that will become obsolete:
Taxis; driving instructors (replaced by self-driving vehicles)
Fast food (replaced by robots and 3D printers)
Supermarket till staff (automated home delivery, self-checkout tills)
Construction (replaced by automated building techniques)

Without the working masses to exploit and to buy their products there will be no money to be made for the wealthy elite, meaning capitalism will be unable to survive. Hopefully then we can usher in the Star Trek era in which money ceases to exist and the basic needs of all humans are met.

What? Using robots don't increase or lower cost to consumers. It offers the manufacturer a chance to offer a better scale of pricing to their client. Which means any products they make they can make quicker, make more money and their client will also make more profits,

Consumers, will simply pay the same.

Cars haven't gotten any cheaper being assembled or painted by machines.

If Foxconn would stop killing their employees by using banned substances for materials, they wouldn't need robots.

In a country where they have cities with populations above 1B, having less jobs in china will simply hurt their economy. Ask the United States.

Hi_XPecTa_Chens said,

Cars haven't gotten any cheaper being assembled or painted by machines.

Yes they have. Last large car price decreases were all attributed do advancement in manufacturing technologies.

Hi_XPecTa_Chens said,
What? Using robots don't increase or lower cost to consumers. It offers the manufacturer a chance to offer a better scale of pricing to their client. Which means any products they make they can make quicker, make more money and their client will also make more profits,

Consumers, will simply pay the same.

I don't know why you quoted me, as none of that has any bearing on what I said.

stevan said,

Yes they have. Last large car price decreases were all attributed do advancement in manufacturing technologies.

Really? There are always exception. But there are very few exceptions.

Let me show you some examples. Toyota Camry has not dropped in cost, even after bringing the factory here. As with most cars, in America we have assembly plants. But Toyota actually has a factory here where the Camry and I believe the Prius is also made. The price of the Camry has continued to go up every model year since the very first model and those cars are assembled by both people and machines.

The vast majority of the products we buy are made or handle by machines. Look at cereal. I am talking the dried kind you need milk with. It is nearly 5.00 for a box and machines make the cereal and een boxes it up. Has it resulted in less prices?

What robotics has done in the electronics industry has increase yield results, because machines tend to make lesser mistakes vs using humans. Those companies than offer better yield at similar cost. This allows them to manufacture multiple items without raising the price. This then allows them to pass off the savings to their client. There client gets larger yields at the same cost so they don't need to raise the price. This result in higher profits to their clients because they get more stuff made without adding a single penny.

Yes I am positive there are SOME cases where using robots gets us some better pricing. But not as much as you think.

After all, cars and trucks are and have been built my robots and paint by robots and their prices simply haven't come down.

They wont come down because many companies will replace some parts with costlier ones. For example, Samsung used a fancier display on the S5 vs any phone they have every made. We also know the display Apple uses is costlier vs ones in their class that are non-IPS. Yet the phones have remain the same cost and so have the tablets with one exception. How? Because Apple, Samsung and others are getting bigger yields, results in more money, and even tho the OEM's are getting more at the same cost, they don't always past that cost off to us.

But here is something cool, Samsung actually lowered the cost of the S5 to consumers, even tho it costed them more to make the S5 vs the S4. Compared to Apple where each iPhone has cost them less to make, they have not lowered the cost. In fact they took the iPad mini and even though it was using mostly off the shelf parts they already had, they went up on it the next year just because of the display...yet no other iPad had such added cost.

Edited by Hi_XPecTa_Chens, Jul 7 2014, 5:49pm :

Hi_XPecTa_Chens said,
Really? There are always exception. But there are very few exceptions.

Let me show you some examples. Toyota Camry has not dropped in cost, even after bringing the factory here. As with most cars, in America we have assembly plants. But Toyota actually has a factory here where the Camry and I believe the Prius is also made. The price of the Camry has continued to go up every model year since the very first model and those cars are assembled by both people and machines.

The vast majority of the products we buy are made or handle by machines. Look at cereal. I am talking the dried kind you need milk with. It is nearly 5.00 for a box and machines make the cereal and een boxes it up. Has it resulted in less prices?

What robotics has done in the electronics industry has increase yield results, because machines tend to make lesser mistakes vs using humans. Those companies than offer better yield at similar cost. This allows them to manufacture multiple items without raising the price. This then allows them to pass off the savings to their client. There client gets larger yields at the same cost so they don't need to raise the price. This result in higher profits to their clients because they get more stuff made without adding a single penny.

Yes I am positive there are SOME cases where using robots gets us some better pricing. But not as much as you think.

After all, cars and trucks are and have been built my robots and paint by robots and their prices simply haven't come down.

Nope, you gave me one example, so a simple exception.

Look at historical car prices and the years robotics got introduced. Same thing goes for cell phones.

What you don't get is that smartphones are a faulty new market. Only a few year old. Eventually as robotics make more and more components prices will go down. It has been like this with most industries.

theyarecomingforyou said,
Indeed. Unfortunately that means massive unemployment and fewer customers who are able to afford such products.


Supermarket till staff (automated home delivery, self-checkout tills)

Speaking only to the supermarket part and going completely off topic; studies have shown that self-checkout, after an initial curiosity, is now driving customers back to the checkout line. Supermarkets are also noticing that self-checkout can take a lot longer because manned checkout lines can turn more customers. People tend to be too slow at self-checkout, both in their interaction with the kiosks and their ability bag product.

Self-checkout is really useful for a few small items; anything more and it's a waste of time. It's been phased out at a few stores I shop at.

Gergel7077 said,

I agree with you. The big winner will be Apple and the loser will be the consumer.
apple will get no benefit. This is factory benefit based thing. Foxxconn builds many many things from xboxes to computers to phones and more.

rippleman said,
apple will get no benefit. This is factory benefit based thing. Foxxconn builds many many things from xboxes to computers to phones and more.

Thank you! Some people above are so ready to fire off on Apple, they seem to lose what it is they are even talking about.

deck said,
Speaking only to the supermarket part and going completely off topic; studies have shown that self-checkout, after an initial curiosity, is now driving customers back to the checkout line. Supermarkets are also noticing that self-checkout can take a lot longer because manned checkout lines can turn more customers. People tend to be too slow at self-checkout, both in their interaction with the kiosks and their ability bag product.
Certainly the current implementation is poor but it will inevitably improve. For instance, if all products are RFID tagged then you wouldn't need to scan them all individual - you could simply walk through a checkpoint and have the bill instantly produced.

Personally I hate the self-checkouts and research has shown that 80% of customers need assistance, making them rather pointless. I get incredibly frustrated with them and there is also evidence that a lot of people exploit them and steal items.