From the Forums: Windows 8 design inconsistencies!

Being a UI designer is not an easy task but when you are a company the size of Microsoft, letting simple mistakes into a final build is a bit of a head scratcher. What we have for you today, on this edition of "From the Forums" is SubZenit's post that points out several issues with the default theme for Windows 8.

The image below speaks for itself and there is a healthy discussion going on about the inconsistencies with Windows 8.

There are many more examples of Windows 8 inconsistences in the forum post which has blown up over the past few hours with over 120 responses.

Have you spotted issues that annoy you, or stuff that hasn't been updated since earlier versions of Windows releases? Hit the link below to see the discussion and weigh in on the design woes.

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it started ok but then it turned into yet another WHAAAAA WHAAAA post. No transparency is an inconsistency? seriously? they eliminated it on purpose.

Messy explorer? it's called the ribbon ui. minimize it.

what a waste of bandwidth this article is.

Not a visual inconsistency but I have discovered, while updating a few of my previous applications I wrote for windows 7 to Windows 8, that System Restore is not enabled by default and when creating manual Restore Points from within my applications it will not create one if one has been created in under 24 hours.

This is normal behavior but from within your applications you can set it to create manual Restore Points and it is supposed to ignore this behavior and create it. I have been fighting it for 2 days to get it to work around this (bug) and still no luck.

Windows 8 for desktop will be a great failure. I don't understand why they rushed. They just needed a windows rt tablet that's all. Why they pooped over their main product specially after the great success of windows 7

Windows 8 is an absolute mess. I really liked what they were doing when the DP had released. Sure, it was bland, inconsistent etc, but that was the very first look at how they intended to do things differently in Windows 8, so it was bound to be like that. And they made such a big deal out wanting to be consistent, but in the end, they go and release THIS.

To me at least, underlying features and improvements mean squat if the UI to use and interact with them is crap.

If they don't fix all this (or at least a large part of it) in Windows 9, I will just dump Windows and get a Mac. They may be irritating on some counts but at least they are polished and consistent.

Microsoft made change in vista that there improve in window 7.now 8 is here---------what is perfection are we perfect will this OS make all of us 100% happy no but it will suit most of us I am reasonable happy.
There the few people who will always look and complain about everything and if you follow them you never get anything out the door-------------I rest my case.

omfg 1 pixel, im gonna go slash my wrists now i couldnt even friggen tell , how much you guys wanna cry over 1 goddamn pixel

DKAngel said,
omfg 1 pixel, im gonna go slash my wrists now i couldnt even friggen tell , how much you guys wanna cry over 1 goddamn pixel

It's called attention to detail, and I can see straight away it's not important to you.

DKAngel said,
omfg 1 pixel, im gonna go slash my wrists now i couldnt even friggen tell , how much you guys wanna cry over 1 goddamn pixel

It's not about slashing wrists over 1 pixel, it's about the biggest software company which states that they have a modern UI which actually looks terrible and not that modern they say it is, I guess their designers have the same mentality like yours.

SubZenit said,

It's not about slashing wrists over 1 pixel, it's about the biggest software company which states that they have a modern UI which actually looks terrible and not that modern they say it is, I guess their designers have the same mentality like yours.

it looks terrible by your standards but im not fussed about it so who's to say how it looks, its still an opinion

DKAngel said,
it looks terrible by your standards but im not fussed about it so who's to say how it looks, its still an opinion

I don't think you get the bigger picture, if there are small design errors that nobody picked up who is to say the same thing is happening with security errors. Attention to detail for such a large company should be in their top 5 things to get right.

DKAngel said,
it looks terrible by your standards but im not fussed about it so who's to say how it looks, its still an opinion

It's a fact however there are still legacy interface elements all over Windows 8. From 16/24-bit icons to old window styles and themes.

DKAngel said,
omfg 1 pixel, im gonna go slash my wrists now i couldnt even friggen tell , how much you guys wanna cry over 1 goddamn pixel

I pay money for this. It BETTER be perfect. You might want to get help with your wrist tho...

Tyler R. said,

I pay money for this. It BETTER be perfect. You might want to get help with your wrist tho...


Windows 7 / Vista has far far more inconsistencies. Remember the website that people put up for it?

Everytime a new Windows comes out people find reasons to complain, claim the previous one is the best and then eventually the vast majority of people end up upgrading to it.

There's over 50 million lines of code in Windows (at least with 7, not sure about 8) so its pretty dam hard to get everything perfect.

-Razorfold said,

Windows 7 / Vista has far far more inconsistencies. Remember the website that people put up for it?

Everytime a new Windows comes out people find reasons to complain, claim the previous one is the best and then eventually the vast majority of people end up upgrading to it.

There's over 50 million lines of code in Windows (at least with 7, not sure about 8) so its pretty dam hard to get everything perfect.

Yeah I do remember that website, actually. However, the mistakes above in the picture are amateur and are big eye sores. IMO Aero is very polished and consistant. As for your argument about lines of code, Fedora has 204.5 Million and they do a pretty good job with their distro. http://blogs.computerworld.com...ne_great_linux_distribution

Tyler R. said,

Yeah I do remember that website, actually. However, the mistakes above in the picture are amateur and are big eye sores. IMO Aero is very polished and consistant. As for your argument about lines of code, Fedora has 204.5 Million and they do a pretty good job with their distro. http://blogs.computerworld.com...ne_great_linux_distribution


Um half the mistakes like things off by one pixel etc still exist. Sorry XP was estimated to have 50 million lines of code, nobody knows for certain how much Vista / 7 / 8 have since well its closed-source.

Also I'm going to call BS on Fedora have 204 million lines of code. If you read the article that he links to http://www.dwheeler.com/sloc/redhat71-v1/redhat71sloc.html he finds out that Red Hat has 30 million lines of code in 2001. Fedora is based of Red Hat and suddenly in 7 years the amount of code increased 7 times? Yeah ok.

He also points out:

Note that the Red Hat Linux 7.1 system includes a number of applications - in many cases a choice for each category. There are two major desktop environments (GNOME and KDE), plus various lightweight options. There are two word processors (Abiword and KWord), two spreadsheets (Gnumeric and KSpread), two relational database systems (MySQL and Postgres), and two web servers (Apache and TUX). In short, Red Hat Linux 7.1 includes a large number of applications, many of which are not included in its Microsoft or Sun equivalents.

The only real problems I have with Windows 8 are these:
- It doesn't work well on 1024x600 (actually it does, but you need a registry hack first)
- Multi monitor support is terrible. There's no knowing where the start screen will show up when I press the Windows button
- Not Windows 8 but: The colour of the Visual Studio 2012 status bar is terribly distracting

I don't think I'll (really) start using Windows 8 until next month... but as a developer I need to make the switch soon. My first impression is that it feels rushed. I hope Microsoft will at least fix some things with updates...

Bamsebjorn said,
The only real problems I have with Windows 8 are these:
- It doesn't work well on 1024x600 (actually it does, but you need a registry hack first)
- Multi monitor support is terrible. There's no knowing where the start screen will show up when I press the Windows button
- Not Windows 8 but: The colour of the Visual Studio 2012 status bar is terribly distracting

I don't think I'll (really) start using Windows 8 until next month... but as a developer I need to make the switch soon. My first impression is that it feels rushed. I hope Microsoft will at least fix some things with updates...

Let me correct you, there is knowing where the start screen is poppin' up, is where you last opened start screen unless you just booted up which will open into your main display, but otherwise if you manually open on 2ndary montior, it will open there next time you press the windows key.

The worst thing is that these issues will never be addressed, in effect we are ranting for no reason because it's going to achieve nothing and some of these issues are 5 minute fixes

For years Microsoft has been pretty much the same as Adobe when it comes to UI design. No attention to detail and poor attention to usability. The legacy stuff just creeps in from every corner.

They would easily have the resources to have a team comb the OS with a fine tooth and have all the icons etc updated. It shouldn't take their customers to point out obvious inconsistencies.

Why are they calling Programs Apps? Programs are programs and stored in the 'Program Files' directory. Calling them apps now is confusing.

derekaw said,
Why are they calling Programs Apps? Programs are programs and stored in the 'Program Files' directory. Calling them apps now is confusing.

Same reason people are calling the internet "the cloud" now I guess, trying to be hip.

TRC said,

Same reason people are calling the internet "the cloud" now I guess, trying to be hip.

ive allways called the apps ass they are applications that reside inthe programs folder

paperless said,
Since when is the taskbar transparency "ugly" ? I like it.
Some people like it, some people hate it. An option to turn it on or off, or better yet choose the level of transparency, would be ideal.

virtorio said,
Some people like it, some people hate it. An option to turn it on or off, or better yet choose the level of transparency, would be ideal.

I see what you did there!

Only two of these are any kind of valid issue in the first place - that's the missing 1px arrow on the up arrow and aero snap. The rest are conscious, consistent design choices that are most certainly not mistakes.

Inconsistencies?

Hmmmm.. seeing as this is actually the 13th version of Windows.. well..
1, 2, 3, 3.1, 3.11, 95, 98, 98SE, ME, XP, Vista.. 7.. 8=13!

Gonna have some bad luck in there somewhere!

xMorpheousx416 said,
Inconsistencies?

Hmmmm.. seeing as this is actually the 13th version of Windows.. well..
1, 2, 3, 3.1, 3.11, 95, 98, 98SE, ME, XP, Vista.. 7.. 8=13!

Gonna have some bad luck in there somewhere!

You're mixing up different product lines. Windows 1.x through Me were a completely different platform, it's dead. Those don't count. The Windows we use today is based on the NT platform.

NT 3.1, 3.5, 4.0, 2000, XP, Vista, 7, 8 = 8

I think even if you love Microsoft and think everything they do is a masterpiece, it's hard not to pick some faults in Windows 8 especially around this sort of area.. I think these are fair observations.

By the way Brad Sams - you need to be signed in to view the image! Non-signed in means the picture is just a big blank square with a red X.

SubZenit said,
Not to mention that they removed the "Widgets".

If you mean the sidebar gadgets, then yes, they are gone, due to security issues.
In case people missed it, Microsoft issued a hotfix to disable sidebar in Microsoft Fixit 50906
Anyone running Vista or 7 should install this if they wish to remove the security hole

The problem is only with untrusted gadgets, if you only use the ones that came with Windows or downloaded from Microsoft you are fine. This is basically a "Fix for Dummies". It's like Microsoft deleting Windows from your hard drive because it can run malware.

Well it just wouldn't be Windows without design inconsistencies. It's like how Windows 7 still uses XP icons in places.

Not only from Windows XP, Windows 95 (and later) icons are still present in Windows 8. Even the old Internet Explorer 7/8 icon is there. Normaly Microsoft change the IE icon always in Windows if it change (in the next edition of Windows)...

Studio384 said,
Not only from Windows XP, Windows 95 (and later) icons are still present in Windows 8. Even the old Internet Explorer 7/8 icon is there. Normaly Microsoft change the IE icon always in Windows if it change (in the next edition of Windows)...

What are you talking about, what IE7/8 icon? IE10's icon is exactly like IE9's icon.

Ace said,
Sadly that's the price we pay for backwards compatibility in the Windows world.

"Backwards compatibility" is the excuse for everything isn't it?

Ace said,
Sadly that's the price we pay for backwards compatibility in the Windows world.

It's not just that. Sometimes, things just don't get done because developers are working on something else. Bugs that need working on are put into a priority list, and -- as you can imagine -- updating legacy stuff is a low priority if it still works. What usually happens is no one gets round to fixing them. That's why we still have a little window for changing the screensaver.

haha this news sounds a bit more rational than the title and text that originally accompanied the forum thread

Ibrahim Haseel said,
Retail version will much better.

Retail is same as RTM. You won't see any major changes until SP1 or whatever MS decides to call it.

Ibrahim Haseel said,
Retail version will much better.

Even after Windows 8 hit RTM people are still in denial about this actually being the final version. Priceless!

.Neo said,

Even after Windows 8 hit RTM people are still in denial about this actually being the final version. Priceless!

+1

Things like this usually don't get fixed, GUI errors. They had to release something for the Share holders, got nothing to do with customers anymore.

Mike Frett said,
Things like this usually don't get fixed, GUI errors. They had to release something for the Share holders, got nothing to do with customers anymore.

Shareholders... any idea who owns MS shares?
Nobody has more shares then Steve Balmer and Bill Gates. They are not stuck with shareholders unlike many other companies... Besides, they've been hauling in better profits over the last few years anyways. Considering they're only expanding their reign in the IT world, doubt any other shareholders have had issues with MS the last couple of years.

Shadowzz said,

Shareholders... any idea who owns MS shares?
Nobody has more shares then Steve Balmer and Bill Gates. They are not stuck with shareholders unlike many other companies... Besides, they've been hauling in better profits over the last few years anyways. Considering they're only expanding their reign in the IT world, doubt any other shareholders have had issues with MS the last couple of years.

Wrong http://finance.yahoo.com/q/mh?s=MSFT

The craziest thing is that you used to be able to toggle off the transparency on the taskbar and now you can't do that anymore.

Most of these other things nobody would ever notice.

Metro is not supposed to have transparency effects so it is baffling as to why they would force you to use transparency on the taskbar when they went through the trouble of removing transparencies from all the Windowed applications. And how much effort could it have really taken to come up with Metro icons to replace all the Aero glass icons on the desktop?

I'm sorry but I've been using it ever since it went RTM and I could get it from MSDN. I really find the fact that they have both interfaces functioning as seamless as they do impressive. I was really worried using the release preview but they've made all of the minor changes that really needed to be done to make this a worthy predecessor to win7.

I'm kind of at a loss as to what people keep whining about.

blackjezuz said,
I'm sorry but I've been using it ever since it went RTM and I could get it from MSDN. I really find the fact that they have both interfaces functioning as seamless as they do impressive. I was really worried using the release preview but they've made all of the minor changes that really needed to be done to make this a worthy predecessor to win7.

I'm kind of at a loss as to what people keep whining about.

I think you meant successor.

Guess someone should of created Windows 8 Taskforce for all of this stuff once the Developer Preview came out but it seems it never happened. Pointing it all out now is a bit late because its unlikely anything will be fixed before w9.

awergh said,
Guess someone should of created Windows 8 Taskforce for all of this stuff once the Developer Preview came out but it seems it never happened. Pointing it all out now is a bit late because its unlikely anything will be fixed before w9.

There is no Windows 9. The next OS update needs to come within a year to stay competitive.

dagamer34 said,

There is no Windows 9. The next OS update needs to come within a year to stay competitive.


Or...a huge SP-1; which had best include the choice to use the Windows-7 UI "for the rest of us."

No wallpapers to choose from? What build are they using because RTM has a **** ton of wallpapers and explorer is exactly the same as Windows 7...

NoLiMiT06 said,
No wallpapers to choose from? What build are they using because RTM has a **** ton of wallpapers and explorer is exactly the same as Windows 7...

Explorer is exactly the same as Windows 7? then probably you are using Windows 7.

The fact the theme color on the desktop is warped around most program boxes (non-metro / modern) and can look awful When combines, try it with a red theme.

ingramator said,
Does anyone really care that the help button is offset by a millimeter?

You're so blind!!Everyone cares about the ui!

ingramator said,
Does anyone really care that the help button is offset by a millimeter?

By a millimeter? Do you care if your icons would be offset by a millimeter? I'd bet you do, and btw that's definitely not by a millimeter.

Dark-Side said,

You're so blind!!Everyone cares about the ui!

Exactly. This is not some small software company putting this out, this is a world-class company producing this. We expect alot more professionality from them.

ingramator said,
Does anyone really care that the help button is offset by a millimeter?

If you don't 'care' that Microsoft has been sloppy enough to - on their FLAGSHIP product - allow this kind of level of design issues slip out, you're extremely naive. Microsoft's QA team should have found, reported, and had the developers fix these issues. It's not just one or two problems here ... it's all over the place. It's actually an embarrassment. You wouldn't want dents all over your brand new car would you? You would expect these kind of issues from a freeware app. You would expect as close to perfect as possible at this stage from Windows 8. It only makes me wonder what else is broken that isn't just visual.

Spirit Dave said,

*All Haterz*

Yeah... I didn't notice these at all so therfore I'm not to fussed. Whatever this is a flagship product with a lot more windows and lines of code then any other version. I'm surprised that there are so few!! If you think this is embarrassing then you clearly haven't produced or developed software before... And your comparison to dents in a car.... Its not like the help button takes over half the screen or is awfully skewed. Its merely offset a tiny bit... get over it.

This is truly a great forum post and criticism.

I like Windows 8 overall, but they really slopped the desktop UI together and didn't give two sh**s to it.

superconductive said,

As others were saying, it really does feel RUSHED.
It's as if they scrambled together an OS just to bite into the mobile marketshare being lead by Apple. Want proof?
http://www.neowin.net/news/mic...ny-space-uncovered-to-apple


It is rushed, no wonder as they had just 3 years basically to change the whole desktop/computer experience of multiple devices and not just 1.

Allot has been done in design, but also under the hood... there's a vast list of improvements which I have yet to find listed anywhere to be a new Windows 8 feature.
There might be little things here and there not finished or overtaken yet, but who cares? The general Windows 8 experience is great. The improvements and enhancements it offers over Win7 are incredible. It feels like there's more under the hood improvements then from Vista to Win7.
But its all overshadowed by everyone due to the Modern UI.

andrewbares said,
This is truly a great forum post and criticism.

I like Windows 8 overall, but they really slopped the desktop UI together and didn't give two sh**s to it.

For this, driver-related issues and some other small things they don't release Win8 to the public already. I think all these micro-issues will be fixed until 26 October.