HTC Sense UI for Windows Phone 7 leaks, looks impressive

Barely 24 hours after HTC unveiled two new Android handsets, a confidential video has emerged which shows the HTC Sense UI running on Windows Phone 7.

HTC employees swerved Windows Phone 7 related questions at a media event held in London yesterday. The company said it was confident that when HTC Windows Phone 7 devices were released that consumers would know it was a HTC device. Company officials declined to comment on how Sense would work on the upcoming devices. Today is a new day though and a video has leaked that appears to show the Sense UI running in Windows Phone 7.

The video, spotted by the folks at Mobility Digest, shows several app tiles on a Windows Phone 7 home screen. The first is a 3D notes app that allows users to stick notes to the home screen. Some truly impressive 3D effects are shown to demonstrate the notes. The video also demonstrates a weather and stocks application, both with 3D animations. It's unclear whether the video is 100% genuine but the slick animations and HTC feel would suggest this is the real deal.

A second video also emerged today showing a HTC Hub interface on a previously unknown HTC Windows Phone 7 device. The team at PocketPT posted the video, naming it the "HTC Hub" interface. It looks identical to the Sense UI.

If you were wondering what HTC had up its sleeve then take a look below.

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Instead of looking like a skin that runs on top of the OS, it looks more like an app ruuning with/inside the OS. That should make it faster. I sincerely miss my HTC Touchpro 2 For VZW, but the physical hardware was just to slow for the 528MHz CPU and I don't like capacitive touch. But I tried it because in Chicago it is a benefit in cold wether, I can operate the screen with gloves on.

With these snappier CPU's, the new Windows Phones will be fast. I am hoping they all have capacitive touch. And I am glad HTC has a very close partnership with MS and MS allowed a skin vs not allowing them at all.

The only thing I will miss, is I don't think this UI can be changed as far as colors and stuff. Tho yet to be seen. That is one thing I liked about all my Windows Mobile devices. or any device for that matter. I am not much into apps as what the phone comes with works fine for me, but my biggest downloads are always wallpapers and themes for the UI.

I love HTC devices. They are the best when it comes to Windows Mobile.

Looks sweet. Too bad i just switched from ATT to Verizon. Oh Well it gives me time to use up my contract.

BTW the second video is coming up as "removed by user"

Looks good however the biggest piece of craptastic news regarding WinMo 7 is that it will be exclusive to AT&T at launch. Other carriers won't be getting it until 1st half of 2011 (not even first quarter). At launch WinMo 7 will be GSM only.

Very flashy and cool but 1) I thought WP7 wasn't gonna allow mods like that. Are these just gonna be bundled apps? And 2) once again, very slick but I would hate to wait for some long animation to play through just to use an app or check weather or email or whatever. I like eye candy as much as the next person but only as long as it doesn't get in the way of the things I am trying to do. Waiting for animations and transitions would annoy the crap out of me very quickly if I had to watch them every time I went to just do a quick check of some app or stat.

Ultimately I'm always glad to see new offerings since if nothing else the things that don't work get left behind and the things that do work push the market in general to step up their game. I am interested to see what the first round of these devices do out of curiosity and to see what the second round does after some tweaking and streamlining. Just like with Android, I probably won't even consider buying a WP7 device until version 2.x either way. Hopefully the community finds good ways to make use of the OS's strengths and hack and tweak their way into it to fix its weaknesses.

neodorian said,
Very flashy and cool but 1) I thought WP7 wasn't gonna allow mods like that. Are these just gonna be bundled apps? And 2) once again, very slick but I would hate to wait for some long animation to play through just to use an app or check weather or email or whatever. I like eye candy as much as the next person but only as long as it doesn't get in the way of the things I am trying to do. Waiting for animations and transitions would annoy the crap out of me very quickly if I had to watch them every time I went to just do a quick check of some app or stat.

Ultimately I'm always glad to see new offerings since if nothing else the things that don't work get left behind and the things that do work push the market in general to step up their game. I am interested to see what the first round of these devices do out of curiosity and to see what the second round does after some tweaking and streamlining. Just like with Android, I probably won't even consider buying a WP7 device until version 2.x either way. Hopefully the community finds good ways to make use of the OS's strengths and hack and tweak their way into it to fix its weaknesses.


The homescreen cannot be changed. The apps that OEMs put on it, those can be.

Don't you usually just look up to check the weather?

I kid, I kid, looks pretty good. I'm happier with my sense clock though.

smooth3006 - you will be marked - for bring wrong. WebOS is dead? Hmmm I don't think so.

Funny all you over the top people would have said something negative is they were boring little icons like the IPHONE and ANDROID. At least with ANDROID you get widgets that saves it from being just an ICON based UI. IF you don't like it DON"T BUY IT! Simple as that.

Each year companies have to come up and create or they are considered behind the times. WP7 has leaped ahead with its UI interaction and many of you say BOOO bad UI. Well create one please and show us how it is done. Not just a nice front graphical UI single page presentation. Show us one simple UI tile and how it will interact with the entire phone. Much harder than you think.

Until the phone is in hand and we actually use it how can anyone on here that has not used it speak from experience?

mrmomoman said,
smooth3006 - you will be marked - for bring wrong. WebOS is dead? Hmmm I don't think so.

Funny all you over the top people would have said something negative is they were boring little icons like the IPHONE and ANDROID. At least with ANDROID you get widgets that saves it from being just an ICON based UI. IF you don't like it DON"T BUY IT! Simple as that.

Each year companies have to come up and create or they are considered behind the times. WP7 has leaped ahead with its UI interaction and many of you say BOOO bad UI. Well create one please and show us how it is done. Not just a nice front graphical UI single page presentation. Show us one simple UI tile and how it will interact with the entire phone. Much harder than you think.

Until the phone is in hand and we actually use it how can anyone on here that has not used it speak from experience?

No dude...this is the internets. and on the internets people like to make these mini editorials called "comments" where they proclaim their e-pinions on devices and softwares that they do not own or even have used at all.

smooth3006 said,
mark my words wp7 will have the same fate as webos did.

mark my words you will have the same fate as webos did. I kid I kid.

Way too over-the-top for my liking. That notes app looks like the most complicated notes app I've ever seen...

The weather app made me dizzy. Why is all the content dancing around like it is drunk?

Shadrack said,
Way too over-the-top for my liking. That notes app looks like the most complicated notes app I've ever seen...

The weather app made me dizzy. Why is all the content dancing around like it is drunk?

Exactly. Where was HTC's UX people? On break? And WHY would they not follow the Metro guidelines? I don't understand that at all.

Hmmm as long as it doesn't make battery life shorter. Also, it's not about eye candy, it's about performance. And then there's OTHER hardware performance which other people are interested in, such as audio quality (like me ), if it's not up to par, then why would it make me want to change my current iPhone, just because of eye candy?

Looks very very impressive and for the first few days you own the phone it will blow you away, after then you begin to tire of the overly elaborate animations and having to wait all the time to get to where you need to go on the phone, well I would at any rate.

Xerxes said,
Looks very very impressive and for the first few days you own the phone it will blow you away, after then you begin to tire of the overly elaborate animations and having to wait all the time to get to where you need to go on the phone, well I would at any rate.

Yeah, I agree. After a couple of days it would be a frustration. And then to get into the app and have to fight with it to read the information? No thank you... And I see absolutely NO reason to not follow Metro whatsoever.

kInG aLeXo said,
I still HATE THOSE BLUE TILES :@

Then make them green, orange, pink, or whatever.
That's WP7.
They are simple because the live tile experience will add the pizazz

nifke said,
why wait 5 seconds to see an animation

Because it's updating weather. You would be waiting even without the animations.

First thing I did with my HTC Desire was remove HTC Sense. Looks nice and all but it isn't practical. Likewise with the above, looks even better but still is just over the top.

SK[ said,]First thing I did with my HTC Desire was remove HTC Sense. Looks nice and all but it isn't practical. Likewise with the above, looks even better but still is just over the top.

What part of Sense is not practical to you?

LiquidSolstice said,

What part of Sense is not practical to you?

Yeah, I don't get what people hate with Sense either.
I have to admit, i've never seen Vanilla Android, but Sense is way better than motoblur, samsung's stuff and acer's.

Cool but c'mon. This is mostly for advertising wow factor. Using it would get annoying fast. People what access to their information, not watch your pretty animations every time you open and close an app.

Xero said,
Cool but c'mon. This is mostly for advertising wow factor. Using it would get annoying fast. People what access to their information, not watch your pretty animations every time you open and close an app.

You're right, I like watching the little spinning loading icon on my iPhone so much more than this eye candy!!

Seriously though, if the phone is having to wait on the network anyway, why not have something interesting happening on the screen?

JonathanMarston said,

You're right, I like watching the little spinning loading icon on my iPhone so much more than this eye candy!!

Seriously though, if the phone is having to wait on the network anyway, why not have something interesting happening on the screen?

They have this animations also while just showing the possible weather animations...on WM 6.5 Sense UI you do not need this animations and i believe you also do not need them on WP7...just useless and annoying...

Xero said,
Cool but c'mon. This is mostly for advertising wow factor. Using it would get annoying fast. People what access to their information, not watch your pretty animations every time you open and close an app.

I prefer smooth slow transitions between screens because it allows the app to finish some if not all of its loading while the animation is happening, making a smoother feeling device.

Xero said,
Cool but c'mon. This is mostly for advertising wow factor. Using it would get annoying fast. People what access to their information, not watch your pretty animations every time you open and close an app.

I agree, but to me, all of the unnecessary animations while attempting to view information IN the app is worlds worse than the startup animations. They have no point and make it difficult to see the information you want.

M_Lyons10 said,

I agree, but to me, all of the unnecessary animations while attempting to view information IN the app is worlds worse than the startup animations. They have no point and make it difficult to see the information you want.


Wrong, I'd rather see an animation which takes the same amount of time to load an app than just a rotating circle or something.

bluefisch200 said,
Damn, that looks horrible...HTC please follow the idea of Metro and stop using useless animations...

I don't think you understand what "Metro" is.

LiquidSolstice said,

I don't think you understand what "Metro" is.

Metro is an design language.
The idea behind Metro is that you don't have real borders or visual elements that create a UI. Content = Interface.
And HTC is not doing it right...

bluefisch200 said,

Metro is an design language.
The idea behind Metro is that you don't have real borders or visual elements that create a UI. Content = Interface.
And HTC is not doing it right...

You just contradicted yourself by saying that Content = Interface with Metro then stating HTC isn't doing it right.

For the weather you need to know the conditions, that's what the animation is for and the tempreture, that's what the text is for. What part of that isn't content?

neo158 said,

What part of that isn't content?

How about, the clouds swirling in the background and the text stumbling around like it is drunk?

Shadrack said,

How about, the clouds swirling in the background and the text stumbling around like it is drunk?

HAHAHAHA, best post of the day! LOL

onTh said,
WOAH! Why cant apple do something like this? Simply mind blowing!

Because apple doesn't have flash on their devices, nor silverlight.

Objective-C takes waaaay to much time to build all the code for the animations/transitions when you get them effectively for free with Silverlight.

onTh said,
WOAH! Why cant apple do something like this? Simply mind blowing!
Apple can do something like this. They don't because it's ridiculously over the top.

Nothing but trolls on the comments today I swear. I'm an Android fanboy admittedly but I have to say I am really looking forward to playing with WP7. This is only the beginning and pretty soon both Android and iOS are going to have to step up their game because it won't be as easy to occupy that market share in the near future.

zeke009 said,
If MS had planned and demonstrated their weather panel being all pretty like the HTC one this wouldn't be news worthy and viewed as a clone.
Stating the obvious?

UndergroundWire said,
I love Sense UI on my Droid Incredible. My phone is responsive and very smooth switching between screens.

Thank you! Finally, someone who sees Sense UI as useful and doesn't blindly call it "bloat".

LiquidSolstice said,

Thank you! Finally, someone who sees Sense UI as useful and doesn't blindly call it "bloat".

Well then you can add me to that list as well, it helps make Android usable on my HTC Desire

Sense should be renamed to HTC Bloat.

Yeah yeah, look at those pretty animations. So cool to show your friends but at the end of the day I just want to look at my notes and check the weather not sit through a load of animations.
It frustrates me when people say that HTC "get's" UI. There's more to UI than animations. Actually there's more to UI than any imagery. It stands for User INTERACTION for a reason.

k7of9 said,
Sense should be renamed to HTC Bloat.

Yeah yeah, look at those pretty animations. So cool to show your friends but at the end of the day I just want to look at my notes and check the weather not sit through a load of animations.
It frustrates me when people say that HTC "get's" UI. There's more to UI than animations. Actually there's more to UI than any imagery. It stands for User INTERACTION for a reason.

Which is why Android is totally unusable and disgustingly spartan without Sense UI.

k7of9 said,
There's more to UI than animations. Actually there's more to UI than any imagery. It stands for User INTERACTION for a reason.

UI is so 2005.
Get with the times, everything is NUI now.

k7of9 said,
That's the stupidest thing I've heard all day.

I kept telling people that there is no way HTC will release a Windows Phone without Sense UI. People that bought Windows Mobile in the past couple of years bought HTC phones for that reason. It kept Windows Mobile alive (when realistically it should have died in 2006 / 2007).

Microsoft is allowing HTC Sense UI on Windows Phone 7 for what reason then? I thought Microsoft didn't allow any phone manufacturers to change there code?

Faisal Islam said,
according to microsoft, OEM won't do much with native UI..so what's this?

OEMs are allowed to add a number of hubs and tiles to the system...

UndergroundWire said,

I kept telling people that there is no way HTC will release a Windows Phone without Sense UI. People that bought Windows Mobile in the past couple of years bought HTC phones for that reason. It kept Windows Mobile alive (when realistically it should have died in 2006 / 2007).

Microsoft is allowing HTC Sense UI on Windows Phone 7 for what reason then? I thought Microsoft didn't allow any phone manufacturers to change there code?

They didn't change the code. They didn't change the UI. It's just a regular app pinned to the home screen.

Faisal Islam said,
according to microsoft, OEM won't do much with native UI..so what's this?

It's an app.
Because their App is a hub that does more than one granular task that the android/iDevice owners are used to doesn't mean it's messing with the overall UI layer.

I remember posting on a forum about this. People told me that Sense UI won't be on Windows Phone 7. I said it will, because HTC was basically keeping Windows Mobile 6.X alive. Also, HTC has to pay Microsoft for some coding of there Sense UI if they want to use it on Android OS.

All I can say is, Windows Phone 7 needs Sense UI. A lot of people who have/had Windows Mobile in the past, had it when it was an HTC Phone with Sense UI.

UndergroundWire said,
I remember posting on a forum about this. People told me that Sense UI won't be on Windows Phone 7. I said it will, because HTC was basically keeping Windows Mobile 6.X alive. Also, HTC has to pay Microsoft for some coding of there Sense UI if they want to use it on Android OS.

All I can say is, Windows Phone 7 needs Sense UI. A lot of people who have/had Windows Mobile in the past, had it when it was an HTC Phone with Sense UI.

You do know that they aren't changing anything with the UI, right? OEMs aren't allowed to do that.

Hm, I agree that it looks like HTC may have missed the point of the Metro design language Those applications look very nice, but if I am going to be using a Windows Phone 7 phone, I'd like all native-looking applicatons - applications which work like the built-in applications already evident in Windows Phone 7 (people, pictures, email etc). I've seen many WP7 developers' applications which do a great job of looking native. Obviously I'll have to try this out first, but it looks like I'll no longer be buying a HTC device.

Calum said,
Hm, I agree that it looks like HTC may have missed the point of the Metro design language Those applications look very nice, but if I am going to be using a Windows Phone 7 phone, I'd like all native-looking applicatons - applications which work like the built-in applications already evident in Windows Phone 7 (people, pictures, email etc). I've seen many WP7 developers' applications which do a great job of looking native. Obviously I'll have to try this out first, but it looks like I'll no longer be buying a HTC device.

I agree 100%... I would like to purchase an HTC WP7 phone, but I might end up uninstalling these apps. They're horrendous. I'll get better apps from the app community (Or develop my own).

That's some nice eye candy!!

And it takes less time to go through the animation than it does just to load the spinning loading indicator in the Weather Channel app on my iPhone 3G, so the delay seems totally insignificant to me...

phono said,
Another candy over usability thingy... yawn, again!

Kinda what I was thinking. The whole thing was way-over-the-top. That notes app looked awful. Lots of eye candy, no new functionality.

It looks very aesthetic , but it loses it's value the 70th time you see it and you just want to see the content .
Only bad thing about WM7 is the lack of an established app-store .

dknm said,
It looks very aesthetic , but it loses it's value the 70th time you see it and you just want to see the content .
Only bad thing about WM7 is the lack of an established app-store .

I was frustrated with it by the end of the demo... I would never, ever use these apps. They're not consumer friendly at all. It's as if they were designed only to show off what HTC's developers could do. And that's not the way to approach an app like this at all. Way over the top.

Not sure why anyone bothers posting WP7 info at Neowin, it's quickly trounced into digital pulp by Android and iPhone fanboi's just waiting to pounce on anything that threatens to steal their thunder...

"the interface is awful!"
"the weather is too sexy!"
"it's too slow I need my weather yesterday!"

/middle_finger

zkid2010 said,
Not sure why anyone bothers posting WP7 info at Neowin, it's quickly trounced into digital pulp by Android and iPhone fanboi's just waiting to pounce on anything that threatens to steal their thunder...

"the interface is awful!"
"the weather is too sexy!"
"it's too slow I need my weather yesterday!"

/middle_finger

While the intro into the weather might be a teensy bit over the top, the Notes are just ridiculous. There's absolutely no reason to have your note freaking move around in 3D space while you're trying to read it.

FYI, this is nothing against Windows Phone 7. This has to do with HTC.

Elliott said,
While the intro into the weather might be a teensy bit over the top, the Notes are just ridiculous. There's absolutely no reason to have your note freaking move around in 3D space while you're trying to read it.

FYI, this is nothing against Windows Phone 7. This has to do with HTC.

Whatever. What this is is the typical knee-jerk reaction around here to anything not Android or iPhone. It get's old. You ever watch cloudy weather animations take their time floating across your Incredible's home screen?; the scree laden with white text making it near impossible to see until the clouds are gone? I don't see anybody going on about that. You know why? Because just like the droid and winmo versions of Sense, you can turn that crap off, but here at Neowin we'd rather immediately stomp HTC's face into the dirt for making a cool intro animation for their WP7 offering - again, an animation that will undoubtedly be able to be toggled off to appease the real serious weather watchers LOL

God help us, HTC has tried to make full use of the devices advanced hardware and OS.

Elliott said,
While the intro into the weather might be a teensy bit over the top, the Notes are just ridiculous. There's absolutely no reason to have your note freaking move around in 3D space while you're trying to read it.

FYI, this is nothing against Windows Phone 7. This has to do with HTC.

I am going to assume the note is reacting to the movement of the phone, just like 'Gallery' does on Android to keep the pictures in perspective to the user holding the phone. I don't think this is a bad idea at all.

thenetavenger said,

I am going to assume the note is reacting to the movement of the phone, just like 'Gallery' does on Android to keep the pictures in perspective to the user holding the phone. I don't think this is a bad idea at all.

It's not (notice that when the the note flips, the note is suddenly in a different perspective).

However, even if that is the case, it still doesn't have any practicality. It's not like rotating a 2D object makes it easier to read when you're looking it from a slightly different angle. It's still a 2D screen displaying a 2D object.

zkid2010 said,
Not sure why anyone bothers posting WP7 info at Neowin, it's quickly trounced into digital pulp by Android and iPhone fanboi's just waiting to pounce on anything that threatens to steal their thunder...

"the interface is awful!"
"the weather is too sexy!"
"it's too slow I need my weather yesterday!"

/middle_finger


Welcome to the internet, try to take it as seriously as possible.

zkid2010 said,
Not sure why anyone bothers posting WP7 info at Neowin, it's quickly trounced into digital pulp by Android and iPhone fanboi's just waiting to pounce on anything that threatens to steal their thunder...

"the interface is awful!"
"the weather is too sexy!"
"it's too slow I need my weather yesterday!"

/middle_finger


Don't forget to add "part of the text is cut off" to that list. Watching the video, about 1/4 of the degree symbol in the temperature was cut off. How are people supposed to know what 79 means? Could the units be minutes, or kilos, or clowns, or degrees (as in angular measurement), or are the numbers to be multiplied together, or, or, or... That 1/4 can mean a lot, and because of this stupid design decision by M$, people are going to be very, very confused!

nohone said,

Don't forget to add "part of the text is cut off" to that list. Watching the video, about 1/4 of the degree symbol in the temperature was cut off. How are people supposed to know what 79 means? Could the units be minutes, or kilos, or clowns, or degrees (as in angular measurement), or are the numbers to be multiplied together, or, or, or... That 1/4 can mean a lot, and because of this stupid design decision by M$, people are going to be very, very confused!

Uhh, what else is temperature measured in? It's not a stupid decision, it's because the human mind is able to fill in the word for you, and having cut off words signifies that the screen can be moved further to the right.

Also, nice retarded use of M($). That totally isn't overblown.

nohone said,


Don't forget to add "part of the text is cut off" to that list. Watching the video, about 1/4 of the degree symbol in the temperature was cut off. How are people supposed to know what 79 means? Could the units be minutes, or kilos, or clowns, or degrees (as in angular measurement), or are the numbers to be multiplied together, or, or, or... That 1/4 can mean a lot, and because of this stupid design decision by M$, people are going to be very, very confused!


Yes because a temperature application would OBVIOUSLY be giving you the temperature in kilos, or clowns right? I mean I just love looking out the window and going hey it looks like its 79 clowns today. HTC/MS obviously expect you to know mathematics to be able to read the temperature, I mean it could very well mean 79 * 200 which would mean its 15,800 clowns.

You would have to be downright retarded to not know what unit that is in. It obviously cannot be kelvin since that would be ridiculously cold. It obviously cannot be in Celsius since that would be ridiculously hot and not to mention you can SELECT which unit (C or F) you want the temperature displayed in the options.

Jesus christ some people...The only person confused here is you. Though I do understand, living under a rock for so long can have an adverse effect on your brain.

Edited by -Razorfold, Sep 16 2010, 10:36pm :

And Liquid and PotatoJ:

I was making a joke at the expense of people who have fits about the text being cut off. I guess I should have put a sarcasm tag in there.

nohone said,
And Liquid and PotatoJ:

I was making a joke at the expense of people who have fits about the text being cut off. I guess I should have put a sarcasm tag in there.

Lol... dude, they realllly needed that sarcasm tag! They really didn't get it

nohone said,
Don't forget to add "part of the text is cut off" to that list.

I agree with you nohone. I'm sick of those folks as well. When I heard about using typography by design in this fashion for Metro, I was instantly impressed. I mean how else do you indicate there is more information visually without adding a bunch of app chrome that takes away from valuable real estate on these (not so) tiny screens.

nohone said,
Could the units be minutes, or kilos, or clowns....

Clowns. Definitely clowns. it's presently a chilly 13 clowns where I live in Canada right now.

dotf said,
I agree with you nohone. I'm sick of those folks as well. When I heard about using typography by design in this fashion for Metro, I was instantly impressed. I mean how else do you indicate there is more information visually without adding a bunch of app chrome that takes away from valuable real estate on these (not so) tiny screens.
How about dots? They give you a more accurate readout of the pages you have available to scroll and are much smaller both vertically and horizontally.

Elliott said,
How about dots? They give you a more accurate readout of the pages you have available to scroll and are much smaller both vertically and horizontally.

Well lets see, you would either have:
1) The text cut off bec... (which would be confusing - not all text can fit in a given area)
2) Too short (need to clip text to fit the area given, which does not give the full meaning)
3) Change the font size to make the given text fit depending on the amount of text to show (which would be inconsistent and people would complain)
4) Make the font small and leave plenty of blank space (and we know this is bad, look at how many people complain about a few pixels of blank space to the right of the tiles on the home page)

So in other words, MS will be criticized for whatever they do.

Elliott said,
While the intro into the weather might be a teensy bit over the top, the Notes are just ridiculous. There's absolutely no reason to have your note freaking move around in 3D space while you're trying to read it.

FYI, this is nothing against Windows Phone 7. This has to do with HTC.

Absolutely, I agree. I really like WP7, and plan on purchasing one. But this design from HTC is horrendous and way over the top. I can honestly say that I would PAY for another weather or notes app before I would ever use the one shipping from HTC. Even if it came free with my phone. The stocks app wasn't that bad. But I'm not bashing WP7, I'm bashing HTC.

Yep Looks really Perdy.

But I HATE start-up animations. I just want to get to the content and be done with it. Even the Vista and 7 Aero animations annoy me and once turned off (leaving transparency on) makes windows feel much faster. But that HTC video was pretty.

Its funny because some people when they tell you there computer is "slow", just by turning off those animations, after using it they think their computer is already alittle faster.

warwagon said,
Yep Looks really Perdy.

But I HATE start-up animations. I just want to get to the content and be done with it. Even the Vista and 7 Aero animations annoy me and once turned off (leaving transparency on) makes windows feel much faster. But that HTC video was pretty.

Its funny because some people when they tell you there computer is "slow", just by turning off those animations, after using it they think their computer is already alittle faster.

*I hate startup animiations

Ok, so you would rather have a good old static splash screen or a progress bar instead?

There is NOTHING wrong with a dynamic or animated splash screen or progress indicator. Just because it is pretty doesn't mean it is slower, seriously...

I personally would rather see the animated panning to the city insetad of a [---loading---] appear on the screen for the SAME AMOUNT OF TIME it is taking the network to retrieve the weather data.

Here is a new rule with modern platforms and API sets... Pretty does not equal slower.

(I bet people complaining about this stuff are the types that turn off Aero on Win7 because it is pretty and they think it is slowing things down, when in reality, the WDDM of Aero speeds up the display far more than the 'pretty' it adds slows it down.)

thenetavenger said,

*I hate startup animiations

Ok, so you would rather have a good old static splash screen or a progress bar instead?

There is NOTHING wrong with a dynamic or animated splash screen or progress indicator. Just because it is pretty doesn't mean it is slower, seriously...

I personally would rather see the animated panning to the city insetad of a [---loading---] appear on the screen for the SAME AMOUNT OF TIME it is taking the network to retrieve the weather data.

Here is a new rule with modern platforms and API sets... Pretty does not equal slower.

(I bet people complaining about this stuff are the types that turn off Aero on Win7 because it is pretty and they think it is slowing things down, when in reality, the WDDM of Aero speeds up the display far more than the 'pretty' it adds slows it down.)


Huh? The Aero transitions all slow things down slightly, since the transitions have to finish first. Not by much, but there's a slowdown.

And you can keep hardware acceleration enabled, while still turning off the animations.

Just because they're pretty, doesn't mean they don't slow things down.

Northgrove said,

Huh? The Aero transitions all slow things down slightly, since the transitions have to finish first. Not by much, but there's a slowdown.

And you can keep hardware acceleration enabled, while still turning off the animations.

Just because they're pretty, doesn't mean they don't slow things down.

yep it doesn't slow you down by much, but 1/2 a second here and there really adds sup.

Northgrove said,

Huh? The Aero transitions all slow things down slightly, since the transitions have to finish first. Not by much, but there's a slowdown.
And you can keep hardware acceleration enabled, while still turning off the animations.
Just because they're pretty, doesn't mean they don't slow things down.

He's talking about the ignorance of people who use Windows Basic or Classic because they think it's slower, as in turning off Aero completely, not just turning off the animations, and he's correct. WDDM does not function well/at all in Classic/Basic.

LiquidSolstice said,

......No, it doesn't.

Turn Aero off, minimize your browser. Its instant. Turn Aero on, notice the transition. It's not instant, but it's okay, the speed difference is negligible to many. Now imagine clouds ****ing everywhere the next time you minimize the window. That's Mobile 7.

PotatoJ said,

Turn Aero off, minimize your browser. Its instant. Turn Aero on, notice the transition. It's not instant, but it's okay, the speed difference is negligible to many. Now imagine clouds ****ing everywhere the next time you minimize the window. That's Mobile 7.
You're missing the point. The animation is there as a Loading screen, if you ever watched any of the Homestar Runner flash cartoons, you could see that they have a loading screen that is talored to the cartoon, to attempt to amuse or entrain the people waiting on the cartoon to load.

johnnyq3 said,
You're missing the point. The animation is there as a Loading screen, if you ever watched any of the Homestar Runner flash cartoons, you could see that they have a loading screen that is talored to the cartoon, to attempt to amuse or entrain the people waiting on the cartoon to load.
There is a difference between the animation in Homestarrunner cartoons and the ones presented here. The animations in Mobile 7 are complete, they are not tailored to "cut" so to speak. They always take the same amount of time, no matter how fast your connection is or how fast the processor is. The loading screens in homestarrunner stop loading (and use a looped animation) when the files have completed downloading. They are true loading screens.

As much as I don't like Metro, I think HTC missed the point of it. The weather app is fine, I suppose, but the notes? Really? "LOOK, THEY MOVE WHILE YOU'RE TRYING TO READ THEM! LOL COOL, AMIRITE?"

Elliott said,
As much as I don't like Metro, I think HTC missed the point of it. The weather app is fine, I suppose, but the notes? Really? "LOOK, THEY MOVE WHILE YOU'RE TRYING TO READ THEM! LOL COOL, AMIRITE?"
The words and numbers looked well larger enough to read them while moving around. I suspect it would be toned down though, it was a little ott.

Elliott said,
As much as I don't like Metro, I think HTC missed the point of it. The weather app is fine, I suppose, but the notes? Really? "LOOK, THEY MOVE WHILE YOU'RE TRYING TO READ THEM! LOL COOL, AMIRITE?"

FFS It doesn't shake around like it's having a seizure. It doesn't make it hard to read.

Kirkburn said,
The words and numbers looked well larger enough to read them while moving around. I suspect it would be toned down though, it was a little ott.

Maybe it reacts to the device's movements to rotate the notes, using the accelerometer, like how the interface on the ZuneHD slightly moves when you move the device.

Elliott said,
As much as I don't like Metro, I think HTC missed the point of it. The weather app is fine, I suppose, but the notes? Really? "LOOK, THEY MOVE WHILE YOU'RE TRYING TO READ THEM! LOL COOL, AMIRITE?"

Yeah, talk about horrible. And is it me or does the text in the weather app move up and down AND from side to side AND swivel? I hope no one gets this phone that has motion sickness...

dogmai said,

I thought it looked pretty nice, not great but nice until I saw that concept. OMFG that looks amazing. Why is that guy not working for them? Someone needs to pick him up.

It's a graphic and he didn't code anything. Also, OEMs are not allowed to change anything with the OS. There are no custom UIs.

Bengal34 said,

It's a graphic and he didn't code anything. Also, OEMs are not allowed to change anything with the OS. There are no custom UIs.

I'm not that stupid. All designs begin somewhere and with something as simple as a drawing/graphic. If they had someone like him to come up with concept art like that and another team to code something to resemble it, they'd have a winner. I don't even care if they use WP7, the concept looks amazing.

Very pretty and all, but I'd prefer my weather app to start immediately rather than show me a splash screen ever time I open it.

thealexweb said,
Very pretty and all, but I'd prefer my weather app to start immediately rather than show me a splash screen ever time I open it.

Agreed -- there should be no arbitrary delay added by developers.

Dessimat0r said,

Agreed -- there should be no arbitrary delay added by developers.

When waiting on data, there is no reason not to keep the user entertained. So you would rather see a progress bar spinning while it gets the weather information of the next city?

I wonder why everyone assumes that just because something is 'pretty' that it is an abitrary delay.

I for one am happy to see developers get away from the 'loading' and 'waiting on data' progress bar mentality and instead offer elegant animations.

thealexweb said,
Very pretty and all, but I'd prefer my weather app to start immediately rather than show me a splash screen ever time I open it.

Weather apps need to grab data over the Internet, and it takes time. Think of it as a splash screen. Hell, the WeatherBug app on my Android device took longer than that to load.

thenetavenger said,

When waiting on data, there is no reason not to keep the user entertained. So you would rather see a progress bar spinning while it gets the weather information of the next city?

I wonder why everyone assumes that just because something is 'pretty' that it is an abitrary delay.

I for one am happy to see developers get away from the 'loading' and 'waiting on data' progress bar mentality and instead offer elegant animations.

Very good point!

thenetavenger said,

When waiting on data, there is no reason not to keep the user entertained. So you would rather see a progress bar spinning while it gets the weather information of the next city?

I wonder why everyone assumes that just because something is 'pretty' that it is an abitrary delay.

I for one am happy to see developers get away from the 'loading' and 'waiting on data' progress bar mentality and instead offer elegant animations.

You're making an assumption as well; that the animations take no toll on the system or hinder it in any way (as apposed to a simple image or loading indicator).

PotatoJ said,
You're making an assumption as well; that the animations take no toll on the system or hinder it in any way (as apposed to a simple image or loading indicator).
I doubt a graphical animation would slow down internet response or download times. That would be massively bad design.

Kirkburn said,
I doubt a graphical animation would slow down internet response or download times. That would be massively bad design.
No, it probably wouldn't disrupt the connection, good point. Now if we could start talking about CPU, memory, and battery life ...

PotatoJ said,
No, it probably wouldn't disrupt the connection, good point. Now if we could start talking about CPU, memory, and battery life ...

It would be rendered on the GPU - and really it would have minimal effect on battery life unless you for some reason insist on using it constantly fr hours. Memory is, for all intents and purposes, irrelevant at the moment considering the lack of multitasking

~Johnny said,

It would be rendered on the GPU - and really it would have minimal effect on battery life unless you for some reason insist on using it constantly fr hours. Memory is, for all intents and purposes, irrelevant at the moment considering the lack of multitasking

I think you guys are all ignoring the fact that WinPhone7 tiles are live. If there is a delay in getting information which is so great that it requires an app to play an intro video then the developer is really failing to take advantage of WinPhone7's push notification system.

thealexweb said,
Very pretty and all, but I'd prefer my weather app to start immediately rather than show me a splash screen ever time I open it.

I agree. These apps are way overkill...

thenetavenger said,

When waiting on data, there is no reason not to keep the user entertained. So you would rather see a progress bar spinning while it gets the weather information of the next city?

I wonder why everyone assumes that just because something is 'pretty' that it is an abitrary delay.

I for one am happy to see developers get away from the 'loading' and 'waiting on data' progress bar mentality and instead offer elegant animations.

+1! wow, smart thinking!

Wow! Pretty animations, but I guess they'd be infuriating when you really want to know the information fast...
Was my biggest gripe with the Windows Phone 7 interface when Microsoft revealed it. It's better now, but HTC is making it take too long... again.

PS.: Doesn't the stocks app look just like the iPhone one... Except with fancier transitions?

Menge said,
PS.: Doesn't the stocks app look just like the iPhone one... Except with fancier transitions?

How else would you do it? Graph and numbers.

ccoltmanm said,

How else would you do it? Graph and numbers.

But they've used the exact same colours for buttons and graphs, background etc. It looks alsmost identical in visual style and colour

ccoltmanm said,
How else would you do it? Graph and numbers.
He means with the delayed start because they effectively have splash screens and pretty effects that take a noticeable amount of time. It's pretty, but not at all helpful.

Menge said,
Was my biggest gripe with the Windows Phone 7 interface when Microsoft revealed it. It's better now, but HTC is making it take too long... again.

I never had that issue with the Metro design language. But HTC... Wow, they ruined it. Windows Phone 7 is quick and easy to use and HTC comes in and makes their own hubs that are practically interactive videos... Like wtf come on HTC, I don't want to be watching videos when I just wanna know the weather... I wanna curse at them so bad right now.

Electric Jolt said,

I never had that issue with the Metro design language. But HTC... Wow, they ruined it. Windows Phone 7 is quick and easy to use and HTC comes in and makes their own hubs that are practically interactive videos... Like wtf come on HTC, I don't want to be watching videos when I just wanna know the weather... I wanna curse at them so bad right now.

You will just have to disable them; I prefer the ability to choose what I like.

pickypg said,
He means with the delayed start because they effectively have splash screens and pretty effects that take a noticeable amount of time. It's pretty, but not at all helpful.

Yeah, and I think it would be infuriating in use after a while...

Electric Jolt said,

I never had that issue with the Metro design language. But HTC... Wow, they ruined it. Windows Phone 7 is quick and easy to use and HTC comes in and makes their own hubs that are practically interactive videos... Like wtf come on HTC, I don't want to be watching videos when I just wanna know the weather... I wanna curse at them so bad right now.

I agree. This is really horrible. And I was going to get an HTC too. I hope this can all be disabled and have it not still be running in the background or something.