Huawei says it won't release a dual Android-Windows Phone smartphone after all

Last week, Shao Yang, Huawei’s Chief Marketing Officer, was quoted on a website as saying that the company was looking to release a smartphone with two operating systems installed, Android and Windows Phone. Now an official statement from Huawei claims that the company has no such plans for a dual OS device.

The Huawei Ascend W1 was the first Windows Phone 8 product from the company.

FierceWireless has the statement from an unnamed spokesperson for Huawei, which says:

Huawei Consumer Business Group adopts an open approach towards mobile operating systems to provide a range of choices for consumers, However, most of our products are based on Android OS, [and] at this stage there are no plans to launch a dual-OS smartphone in the near future.

The new statement is contrary to how Yang was quoted last week by TrustedReviews. The website reported him saying, "Windows Phone, one direction for us – and one that we are now following – is dual OS. Dual OS as in Android and Windows together."

Huawei has released two Windows Phone 8 smartphones, the Ascend W1 and W2. Rumors of a third device, the Ascend W3, have been leaked but not confirmed.

Source: FierceWireless | Image via Huawei

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Depends on if you want to believe one source over another. According to this one it was both Microsoft and Google who were against it to begin with. Another one says they were for it. Sounds like everybody's making assumptions without knowing any real facts.

Dot Matrix said,
"I want a dual booting smartphone!" <- Said no consumer, ever.
"I want a dual booting desktop" "I want a dual booting laptop" - Said no consumer ever... except for Apple hardware owners.

Dot Matrix said,
"I want a dual booting smartphone!" <- Said no consumer, ever.

Maybe not dual boot, but I would LOVE the ability to _replace_ my phone OS (supported by manufacturer and provider) at any time... e.g. start with windows but put android on or other way around, etc.

Kind of like how people put windows on a macbook air

techbeck said,

Which is odd since there are reports out there where MS wants this to happen.

http://www.techradar.com/us/ne...windows-and-android-1187641

Just more flip flopping on decisions I guess.


I think their message just might have gotten confused somewhere. I'm pretty sure what MS actually wants is Android device makers to make a version of their hardware running Windows Phone as well. So you might have say a Galaxy S6 and WinPhone KZ (just a made up branding if that wasn't clear) both having the exact same hardware but with the Galaxy version running android and the WinPhone version running Windows Phone. They don't want the same device to run both OS's at the same time (dual-boot).

techbeck said,

Which is odd since there are reports out there where MS wants this to happen.

http://www.techradar.com/us/ne...windows-and-android-1187641

Just more flip flopping on decisions I guess.

Dual boot is different than sharing the same hardware.

Google doesn't want either to happen, as the performance comparisons are extremely embarrassing when the same hardware can be directly compared.

Microsoft doesn't want users confused with a device that can flip to another OS. However, they are ok with the same hardware running both OSes as long as it only has one or the other OS loaded on it for the user.

(Think beyond even user confusion, WP8 storage is encrypted, consumption of precious storage space, how Android likes to deal with mounts, etc.)

Microsoft wants OEMs to be able to use existing Android phones and load them with WP8.1 if they choose. This reduces OEM costs in dedicating to WP and give them a chances to try the OS. Microsoft has even added drivers for many of the additional Android chipsets.

If I was guessing, I would bet that Google is the one telling OEMs no, just as they were doing with ASUS and other tablet OEMs earlier this month.

It is like when Qualcomm started testing WP7 on their processors and published revised performance numbers because raw CPU/GPU speeds were significantly faster than their original tests that came from their generic Linux and Google Android builds. Google wanted to strangle Qualcomm and so Qualcomm stopped talking about the revised performance numbers.

Studio384 said,
A rumor says Microsoft don't want dual boots, but Microsoft themselfs said they would like to see that and support those ideas... What are we gonna trust?

Depends on who you hate the most. MS haters will accept the rumors and go with it. Look at what happened when unknown unconfirmed sources stated that Google was pressuring ASUS into not dual booting. Hell, the forum exploded and the hate ensued.

I personally like to hear from the source and until I do, I really dont care what is stated. The link I posted had unconfirmed sources and until confirmed, just rumor and speculation.

A rumor?

According to a report from The Wall Street Journal, Microsoft and Google are both out to stifle any device that doesn't have a firm allegiance to either Android or Windows. The report says that both companies have told Asus to end its dual-OS product lines and that Asus is complying.

Mobius Enigma said,

Google doesn't want either to happen, as the performance comparisons are extremely embarrassing when the same hardware can be directly compared.

When has Google stopped OEMs from releasing WP phones with whatever hardware they want?
The only single limitation OEMs have had came from MS themselves when they were limiting the SOCs WP7 supported.

Wasn't Samsung releasing WP phones some time ago that had basically the same hardware as that in their Galaxy line? (The ATIV phones, IIRC, with ATIV S being a repackaged SIII).

Mobius Enigma said,

Microsoft wants OEMs to be able to use existing Android phones and load them with WP8.1 if they choose. This reduces OEM costs in dedicating to WP and give them a chances to try the OS. Microsoft has even added drivers for many of the additional Android chipsets.

How hard would it be to say, have MS make drivers and whatnot for the nexus line of phones and then once you unlock it, install WP8 on it instead of Android? Would that be possible at all?

Scabrat said,

How hard would it be to say, have MS make drivers and whatnot for the nexus line of phones and then once you unlock it, install WP8 on it instead of Android? Would that be possible at all?

Technically yes, in practice, probably not...

In theory, If the device can truly have the boot and TP unlocked, it wouldn't be very hard, especially with NT kernel's agnostic driver relationship. The only major hurdle would be the availability of an NT HAL available for the specific CPU. (Which Microsoft is adding several new HALs and more drivers to WP8.1.)


However, I don't see Microsoft ever giving this access to the consumer. WP also requires its own secure boot and would require permanently 're-locking' the device to be a WP device and registering the device ID with Microsoft.


In a way, it would be one way to take over the industry. One thing that made Windows 3.x so popular was both piracy and the ability to load it on any PC. If WP and Windows RT could be distributed and loaded on any phone or Android tablet, a lot of consumers would do it. (Especially to have essentially a 'Full' OS instead of Android or ChromeOS on low end tablets/notebooks.)


One of the reasons this is 'hard' is all the locking mechanism Google is using and REQUIRING on devices that are using Android or ChromeOS. Even in the x86/x64 world, the very low end ChromeOS hardware can easily run Windows 8.1, but it is Google's use of boot security that requires the device to be disassembled to kill the security. **

(**This has quite a bit of irony, because it was the OSS fans and Google/Android/ChromeOS fans that screamed when new trusted computing technology was being introduced. They assumed Microsoft was going to be evil and lock down all computers/devices, and instead it is Google locking down all devices and REQUIRING more security than Microsoft does of OEMs.)

Mobius Enigma said,

One of the reasons this is 'hard' is all the locking mechanism Google is using and REQUIRING on devices that are using Android or ChromeOS.

You are making up stuff there. Google isn't requiring any of that, as proven by the devices that ship unlocked (eg. the Google Edition version of the Galaxy S4).

ichi said,

You are making up stuff there. Google isn't requiring any of that, as proven by the devices that ship unlocked (eg. the Google Edition version of the Galaxy S4).

Do a search for (Install Windows Chromebook)

You have to physically kill the trusted computing boot.

So YES Google is very much pushing boot restrictions and this is increasing on all Android devices as Google puts more pressure on OEMs that want to use the official 'Google' Apps.

PS There are NO OTHER OSes that can be installed on the Google Edition Galaxy S4. It is only 'unlocked' as in 'carrier' support. The phone is not unlocked to allow the user to install anything but ANDROID, and even then it is a pain in the rear to install a 'mod' that isn't the official Google build. - wow

Mobius Enigma said,

PS There are NO OTHER OSes that can be installed on the Google Edition Galaxy S4. It is only 'unlocked' as in 'carrier' support. The phone is not unlocked to allow the user to install anything but ANDROID, and even then it is a pain in the rear to install a 'mod' that isn't the official Google build. - wow

It's unlocked as in unlocked bootloader, meaning you can flash anything on it. Whether there are available roms for other different operating systems that work on that device is a different issue.

You can actually install Ubuntu Touch on several different Android phones (including the S4) and all it takes is unlocking the device (if it's locked) and flashing the rom.

Do you want WP on those devices? Ask MS to release a rom for them. If Canonical could do it I'm sure MS should also be able to achieve that.

Mobius Enigma said,

In a way, it would be one way to take over the industry. One thing that made Windows 3.x so popular was both piracy and the ability to load it on any PC. If WP and Windows RT could be distributed and loaded on any phone or Android tablet, a lot of consumers would do it. (Especially to have essentially a 'Full' OS instead of Android or ChromeOS on low end tablets/notebooks.)

I hope they go that way. I think it would be brilliant and push the platform forward! =) Thanks for the answer.