iPad 2 coming in January, Light Peak MBP in April?

Rumors about the iPad 2 have been flying across the Internet as of late and it doesn't look like they are stopping anytime soon. While the next iPad is rumored to have a new screen, new touch technology, and a lighter design, one source is pegging the release for January of 2011.

EdibleApple.com is claiming that Apple will hold two press events inr Q1 of 2011. At the first event in January, Apple will unveil a new iPad with a "front and rear facing camera" and increased specs.  A relatively safe bet for an iPad 2 prediction, but the January announcement is a new development.

Also claimed is that Apple will be unveiling a new MacBook Pro in April with many new features. "The new MacBook Pros will move to solid state storage, up to 512GB, remove the optical drive, and we believe light-peak is being pushed to make it’s first-ever entrance into the market, another Apple exclusive".

If true, this will help to separate the MacBook Pro from its younger brother the MacBook. Apple has typically been on the leading edge of killing outdated formats as they were among the first to remove the floppy drive from their PCs. Apple has already started this trend by showing that the MacBook Air is a fully capable machine that does not need an optical drive.

Finally a major revision to Final Cut Pro is expected to be unveiled in Q1. A user reportedly emailed Jobs asking about an update to the platform which Jobs replied, "stay tuned and buckle up." As with any rumor, take it with a grain of salt.

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Xero said,
I hope the rumors of light peak are true. I want that technology desperately.

it would just simplifiy machine internal wiring + more bandwidth
thank god no more new input formats!

I personally think any Apple Product is overpriced- They overhype everything like always remember with itunes we have a revolutionary event coming --the Beatles on Itunes -cost u 150$ if u use itunes but 100$ if u buy them- what about the Sweat Shops where they make most apple products -Employees said it was like a prison or jail in there overworked and underpaid and arrogant and egotistical Jobs makes all that money.

PuttPutt said,
I personally think any Apple Product is overpriced- They overhype everything like always remember with itunes we have a revolutionary event coming --the Beatles on Itunes -cost u 150$ if u use itunes but 100$ if u buy them- what about the Sweat Shops where they make most apple products -Employees said it was like a prison or jail in there overworked and underpaid and arrogant and egotistical Jobs makes all that money.
I'll try and keep my rudeness to a minimum but c'mon man? seriously lol. iPad's are hardly overpriced. They are a great bargain, so much that most other tablets cost even more! As for their "sweat shop prisons." Get the facts before you start spewing nonsense out. These factories are not owned, controlled or managed by Apple. Not to mention they produce products for many other companies, not just Apple. I can't comment on the conditions, but whatever they are, it's hardly Apple's fault. If you're looking for someone to blame, start with the company that owns and controls these factories.

If the new iPads have a significantly higher resolution screen then I'll probably upgrade from iPad 1. Otherwise, nothing else really sounds appealing enough for an upgrade already.

Shadrack said,
If the new iPads have a significantly higher resolution screen then I'll probably upgrade from iPad 1. Otherwise, nothing else really sounds appealing enough for an upgrade already.
Agreed. The iPhone 4 display makes my iPad's look like crap heh. I doubt it will be "retina" but probably a higher res.

Although as a developer I'll most likely upgrade anyways. You can get a pretty good return if you sell it a month or so before the new ones ship.

If they are removing the drive, then I'm glad I'm getting a MBP next month. Although I don't use the drive in my laptop that often, its great to be able to watch DVD's and rip CD's on there without having to fuss about with an external one.

WelshBluebird said,
If they are removing the drive, then I'm glad I'm getting a MBP next month. Although I don't use the drive in my laptop that often, its great to be able to watch DVD's and rip CD's on there without having to fuss about with an external one.
I wouldn't have bought my MBP if it didn't have an optical drive for the reasons you have stated. I'd still be using a Windows laptop...heh, I would have been on Vista, what an odd idea.

e-berlin.org said,
No optical drive? That's brave.

They said the same of the fist iMac that didn't include a 3,5-inch floppy drive and had USB / FireWire ports only.

.Neo said,

They said the same of the fist iMac that didn't include a 3,5-inch floppy drive and had USB / FireWire ports only.

No "they" didn't. Floppies were dead LONG before any vendor dumped them.

excalpius said,

No "they" didn't. Floppies were dead LONG before any vendor dumped them.


Yeah "they" did. When I got my first iMac (1998), it was still mainstream practice in the PC world to create a startup disc, on a floppy, in order to install Windows 98. It wasn't until many years later that other computer companies followed Apple example.

Apple was groundbreaking at the time to introduce a computer without a floppy drive and USB ports only and the PC world called them nuts for doing so.

I do think optical discs are on the way out, but the truth is maybe people still rely on them. Of course you can get an external drive but it's an extra thing to carry around. We must keep in mind this is a rumor. Apple might actually be planning to ditch it down the line but not next year.

i don't like the idea of no optical drive for a macbook pro - Noooooooo! what about software installs...so we'd need to get a separate drive in addition to the expensive of buying a macbook pro - terrific!

I'd agree moving the optical drive is a bad move. I'd be shocked to see that actually happen. Fair enough i barely use mine... i've had my MBP for months and have only used it a hand full of times. However i do expect the option to burn a CD if i want to.

Then again, would i give up optical to get a SSD and HDD? probably... it wouldnt hurt to have an external drive in my laptop bag, like i said i barely use it.

I guess there are pros and cons to this, the one thing that is clear is that it will end up costing us more money if we opt in for the optical drive.

People need to seriously take off their troll pants and defense hats right now. Seriously anyones comment that isn't in favor of Apple in this article is being attacked by kiddies wanting to either 1. start a useless argument or 2. defend assumptions and rumors as if they are facts and have already happened. The ones doing this need to get over yourselves. Is it so hard to just comment normally or just not say anything? If so I think you need to sign off for a while.

As for the article:
For the iPad 2 I believe there will be atleast a forward facing camera for FaceTime, thats obvious as well as improved specs. A read camera? Its a tablet, but I guess if it doesn't cost that much extra to produce.

For the MacBook Pro, even though they were saying "this is the future" on the MacBook Air announcement, I can't see them completely getting rid of the DVD drive (and not filling the gap) and moving to solely ssd storage. Those are two things that people keep "trolling and defending" like I stated earlier. None of your "opinions" actually make any real points for the majority. Woops going off subject, teehee. But yeah, I can see some different options with SSD storage or maybe dual drives (yeah going out on a limb), but not completely ridding of the two.

It's the move to make more money out of their consumer.. Without optical drive, user have to use mac apps store to purchase the apps/software/games which will apple will pocket 30% of the sales. If you chose to buy an optical disc for your software/games you will be forced to buy an over price external optical drive. This time they remove optical drive. Next time they will remove the ability to install software that you purchase out of apps store... Slowly it is moving to iOS platform. MBP are popular with the people in the media industry. So that limit the option for users to install final cut pro.

Kimskull said,
you will be forced to buy an over priced external optical drive.
Optical drives are available from manufacturers other than Apple.

You people do realise if you want an optical drive you can get an external one right... I never use my optical drive its really a waste of space! And I've been using an Air for about a month now and not needed it the only thing I've wanted is an ethernet port.

Wow, they are going to remove the optical drive. By default they don't have VGA or HDMI. So what's next? Replace the trackpad with a full multi-touchscreen?

Jose_49 said,
Replace the trackpad with a full multi-touchscreen?

This will arrive on day or another.

Replace the whole keyboard with a full multitouch screen.

aftas said,

This will arrive on day or another.

Replace the whole keyboard with a full multitouch screen.


starting to sound like a iPad there....

lflashl said,

starting to sound like a iPad there....

Not really.....

Replace your current keyboard with a touchscreen. It really isnt that different.

Im thinking this will come one day or another (Gamers and such will problably still perfer the classic keyboard)

Jose_49 said,
Wow, they are going to remove the optical drive. By default they don't have VGA or HDMI. So what's next? Replace the trackpad with a full multi-touchscreen?

Dont worry. Jobs says no. Source: www[dot]tinyurl[dot]com/2djyewz

Interesting choice removing the optical drive from the MacBook Pro (if true), as MacBook Pros are very popular with teachers (as well as students) and not being able to conveniently burn DVDs might be a turn off for them. Providing these changes provide accurate, be interesting to see if they affect overall MacBook Pro sales in the education sector (if at all).

Xerxes said,
Interesting choice removing the optical drive from the MacBook Pro (if true), as MacBook Pros are very popular with teachers (as well as students) and not being able to conveniently burn DVDs might be a turn off for them. Providing these changes provide accurate, be interesting to see if they affect overall MacBook Pro sales in the education sector (if at all).

And I guess you are American talking about the US as if it is the whole world.

This makes me never want to get a Macbook Pro, why the hell remove the optical drive! I use it loads on my current laptop for CD's and DVD's and installation disks. I would hate to go without it! And for anyone who says get a hard drive, I have one. But try making it into a bootable iso installation without damaging your files. And as for installation usbs... I have a 1GB version that fills my need. Why do I have to go buy a 4GB one.

Apple, or should I say snooty Steve. Stop thinking you rule and everything you do is right!

Obviously without an optical drive, a 1 GB flash drive would not suit your needs. Go buy an 8 GB for $7. You'll hardly ever need an optical drive on the go, so if you need it at all I believe it would be acceptable to have an external one. I've replaced the optical drive in my laptop with another hard drive and have only swapped it back in a few times.

Apple has a history of being the first to remove ports and older technology from their machines. If you don't like it, don't buy it.

Memnochxx said,
Obviously without an optical drive, a 1 GB flash drive would not suit your needs. Go buy an 8 GB for $7. You'll hardly ever need an optical drive on the go, so if you need it at all I believe it would be acceptable to have an external one. I've replaced the optical drive in my laptop with another hard drive and have only swapped it back in a few times.

But CD's are not outdated I know loads of people that still use/buy CD's and even DVD's. I believe nearly everyone has a DVD player. I for one buy DVD's in stores and not get them via iTunes as then you are not limited to how to the devices you can put them on.

TechDudeGeorge said,
I for one buy DVD's in stores and not get them via iTunes as then you are not limited to how to the devices you can put them on.

Bingo. This is the REAL reason Apple is pulling optical drives. More video sales via iTunes.

fools, the press conferences in January will announce the entire music libraries of zamphir and meneudo are now on iTunes. YOU WILL NEVER FORGER THOSE 2 DAYS!

twist said,
fools, the press conferences in January will announce the entire music libraries of zamphir and meneudo are now on iTunes. YOU WILL NEVER FORGER THOSE 2 DAYS!

ROFL
omg please don't let this be true lol

Milind Bandekar said,
They should replace the Firewire port for the HDMI and I also hope it'll be all USB 3.0.

Um. Light peak would replace both (though yes having those would allow for max compatibility).

I'd like to quote light peak wiki for you: "Currently in development, Light Peak is being developed as a single universal replacement for current buses such as SCSI, SATA, USB, FireWire, PCI Express and HDMI, in an attempt to reduce the proliferation of ports on contemporary computers."

Release these MBPs before 10.7 and Mac App Store aka dubbed down regression of an OS (based on the video I watched). All the features demonstrated were iPad-esque, sure to be memory hogs and unnecessary "upgrades" of Expose.

With that rant said, gogo SSD & Lightpeak; I rarely use my optical drive but I'd like to use it. Removal of the optical drive seems to be an idea to push their app store.

Ipad 2.0 predication of new stuff and specs


Front facing camera
512 maby even 1gb of ram
screen will be the same size but be higehr resolution it will be 1280x720p 16:9 screen
A4 chip will get boosted from 1ghz to 1.3ghz

notuptome2004 said,
Ipad 2.0 predication of new stuff and specs


Front facing camera
512 maby even 1gb of ram
screen will be the same size but be higehr resolution it will be 1280x720p 16:9 screen
A4 chip will get boosted from 1ghz to 1.3ghz

And... the revolutionary part! It will be the first tablet to ever have a ""USB"" port! This new technology "Universal serial bus" will make our lives incredibly easier, thanks to apple!

Nightwind Hawk said,

And... the revolutionary part! It will be the first tablet to ever have a ""USB"" port! This new technology "Universal serial bus" will make our lives incredibly easier, thanks to apple!


Don't you have a bridge to troll?

Nightwind Hawk said,

And... the revolutionary part! It will be the first tablet to ever have a ""USB"" port! This new technology "Universal serial bus" will make our lives incredibly easier, thanks to apple!

Actually troll, the only reason Apple will be doing this is because of new laws in Europe that call for mobile devices to have universal charging specs via USB.

asdavis10 said,

Actually troll, the only reason Apple will be doing this is because of new laws in Europe that call for mobile devices to have universal charging specs via USB.

It isn't law, there is no obligation for Apple, and it could easily be argued that an iPad isn't a mobile phone.

warwagon said,
With the switch to SSD drives I can see it now. MacBook Pro starting at only $4,000

The new SSD drives they're using in the Macbook Airs aren't that expensive, probably since they're buying them more direct from the manufacturer.

I doubt that they would completely replace the hard drive with the SSD. The new SSDs are small enough to fit alongside a normal HD without taking up any space.

If they do include SSDs I'd expect them to be included primarily as a boot drive/application drive with a normal laptop HD alongside. They already do this with the current iMacs.

warwagon said,
With the switch to SSD drives I can see it now. MacBook Pro starting at only $4,000

Obviously that's not going to happen... They would lose tremendous amounts of customers, especially students amongst which the MacBook is highly popular.

manosdoc said,
HP envy's have already removed the optical drive, but if it's for Apple to do it, it's magical and pioneer.

Yep. Apple totally doesn't sell laptops without optical drives already.

manosdoc said,
HP envy's have already removed the optical drive, but if it's for Apple to do it, it's magical and pioneer.

my Envy 17 with a bluray drive likes to disagree with that statement

If they move to the SSD thats in the Air then I will be moving aways from MacBooks as I am not letting my current SSD go to waste and I won't be paying for an Apple priced SSD.

Melfster said,
DVD drive is getting old and outdated time to move on people.

Blu-Ray drive would be a better alternative.

Melfster said,
DVD drive is getting old and outdated time to move on people.

Blu-Ray drive would be a better alternative.

Blu-Ray drive would be a better alternative

Seriously though, I don't have a drive on my hp envy, they provided an external one free with the laptop and I have used it twice in half a year.

Apple is using this as a sideways maneuver to avoid Bluray fees/drivers/sales, etc. It also removes DVD compatibility, so it's pretty clear it's just a way to force people to...

...spend more money at iTunes.

Just because they might announce the 2nd gen iPad in January doesn't mean it will be released at that time. I highly doubt they would release it then.

StevoFC said,
Just because they might announce the 2nd gen iPad in January doesn't mean it will be released at that time. I highly doubt they would release it then.

Apple only does delayed releases with brand new products. If they announce the iPad 2 for the same price but say that it isn't coming for a month or two then they would kill sales of the current gen. They wouldn't do that.

StevoFC said,
Just because they might announce the 2nd gen iPad in January doesn't mean it will be released at that time. I highly doubt they would release it then.

IMO it will be released exactly 12 months after the original iPad. January makes a very good timeframe.

Wanyal said,
Only iPad 2 rumors? I thought we would be talking about at least the iPad 4 by now.


no.

until we talk iPhone w/ 4G support idc! that or a discounted MBP

how would you install OSX then ? without DVD drive
would they start selling them in flash memories then?

admitly i rarely use the drive
didn't reinstall windows since at least like a year lol

and regarding Lightpeak ....a bit of risky investment would pay off tho

Ci7 said,
how would you install OSX then ? without DVD drive
would they start selling them in flash memories then?

Probably the same was as the new airs: http://<<; spam >>/34y2n3v

Mainer82 said,
Remove the optical drive? What a poor move if true, it is far from being outdated.
I agree, Apple is really making bad decisions. An optical drive with blu-ray will be the smarter move ever. But they decided to be backward and act like ignorants.

Quattrone said,
I agree, Apple is really making bad decisions. An optical drive with blu-ray will be the smarter move ever. But they decided to be backward and act like ignorants.

Pendrives are very cheap and much better than DVDs and even Blu-rays. This is a courageous and smart move by Apple. The Macbook Pro will be lighter and thinner, maybe with many other important features other than aging optical technology. Get a hard-drive to backup and watch movies!

Quattrone said,
I agree, Apple is really making bad decisions. An optical drive with blu-ray will be the smarter move ever. But they decided to be backward and act like ignorants.

Well, I haven't once used the optical drive in my MBP since I bought it two years ago.

Mainer82 said,
Remove the optical drive? What a poor move if true, it is far from being outdated.

Other than installing the OS, I don't think I've ever used the optical drive on my laptop for any other purpose. It's just wasting space. I'd rather they use that space to either make it thinner/lighter or stick a larger battery.

Mainer82 said,
Remove the optical drive? What a poor move if true, it is far from being outdated.

But with the App Store in Lion, that is the next version isn't it, why would you need an optical drive?

Other than installs of an OS, Windows through Bootcamp or OS X, you wouldn't need it.

Mainer82 said,
Remove the optical drive? What a poor move if true, it is far from being outdated.

I would happily remove the optical drive so I can add an additional hard drive. I've not used the DVD drive in my MacBook Pro since I installed OSX on a new hard drive. The DVD in my HP EliteBook hasn't worked for almost a year.

Other than installs of an OS

The MacBook Pro comes with a USB drive for reinstalling the OS, so no need for the optical drive there.

Mainer82 said,
Remove the optical drive? What a poor move if true, it is far from being outdated.

On my iMac, I have used my Superdrive 15 times in 4 years.
2-3 times last year.

The only thing I'm wondering is how to install OS X without a DVD. If there's a solution for that, I think I'll pass for a DVD reader, it's no use for me really.

virtorio said,

Oh, yeah I know about the external USB drive. But then why just not integrate it with the computer at all!?

If they can totally eliminate the need of a drive to install OS X, I'm cool with that. If we need to buy an external drive, it doesn't fix it for me, sorry.

MrA said,

Other than installing the OS, I don't think I've ever used the optical drive on my laptop for any other purpose. It's just wasting space. I'd rather they use that space to either make it thinner/lighter or stick a larger battery.

This. I've used my optical drive 3 times now and they were all to watch DVD movies. I would get by fine w/o one or with just an external one.

PsykX said,

Oh, yeah I know about the external USB drive. But then why just not integrate it with the computer at all!?

If they can totally eliminate the need of a drive to install OS X, I'm cool with that. If we need to buy an external drive, it doesn't fix it for me, sorry.

MacBook Air comes with a bootable USB stick where the operating system is. You don't buy anything extra.

Mainer82 said,
Remove the optical drive? What a poor move if true, it is far from being outdated.

It's not a poor move in that Apple see streaming as the future and disc media as dead. Course they're assuming everyone has an Internet connection worthy of that goal, but if you don't then simply buy something else.

Mainer82 said,
Remove the optical drive? What a poor move if true, it is far from being outdated.

I'd rather lose the optical drive, for an improvement in battery life or weight.

Mainer82 said,
Remove the optical drive? What a poor move if true, it is far from being outdated.

Sans the optical drive, all Apple software will be available on USB sticks just like the new MacBook Air's restore OS. Increase the battery size and/or give the option for a second hard drive. An SSD for the OS just like the iMac. The price is cheap enough for the external SuperDrive that it won't matter if they remove it. They'll still probably provide a base model that has one included. Smart move.

neo158 said,
Other than installs of an OS, Windows through Bootcamp or OS X, you wouldn't need it.

Apple is providing flash drives for reinstallation of OS X on the new MacBook Air models, so I think part of your argument there is moot. And if you have another machine to transfer the Windows install disc to a flash drive, it is usually faster to install that way as well (as most people do with netbooks).

Quattrone said,
I agree, Apple is really making bad decisions. An optical drive with blu-ray will be the smarter move ever. But they decided to be backward and act like ignorants.

The only time I need my iMac's optical drive is to reinstall Mac OS X and rip the occasional CD. Beyond that I have absolutely no need for it.

It's funny how people keep calling a highly successful company ignorant. Apple makes millions, so they must be doing something right otherwise people wouldn't buy their products. People like you said the same thing about Apple not including a floppy drive with the initial iMac and made the device USB / FireWire only. It turned out perfectly fine. Be glad that at least some computer manufacturers have the guts to push through changes.

Edited by .Neo, Nov 28 2010, 2:31pm :

AtriusNY said,

MacBook Air comes with a bootable USB stick where the operating system is. You don't buy anything extra.


Ah, that's what I thought but I couldn't find that part on the website, I only saw an external USB drive.

Then based on my usage of a DVD drive, I could completely understand that they remove it.

virtorio said,

I would happily remove the optical drive so I can add an additional hard drive.

You can if you want, google optibay.

Mainer82 said,
Remove the optical drive? What a poor move if true, it is far from being outdated.

People are forgetting that Apple STILL hasn't added Bluray drives to their machines, so this is their way of just dumping that format entirely. It was either add Bluray or cut optical drives altogether. And since you can't play any game (except if it's one of the few on Steam), they decided to cut the optical drive entirely.

Who wants to bet me the price will remain the same? Cut the drive = more profit. 8)

Mainer82 said,
Remove the optical drive? What a poor move if true, it is far from being outdated.

I dont know. I would much rather have a bunch of ISOs on a flash drive or external that I attach via a virtual drive manager like Daemon Tools. Either that, or a network share where you store the install files. Why I love that MS makes you download their software now (cept for retail)

virtorio said,

I would happily remove the optical drive so I can add an additional hard drive. I've not used the DVD drive in my MacBook Pro since I installed OSX on a new hard drive. The DVD in my HP EliteBook hasn't worked for almost a year.
Agreed. Get a $50 external drive that you dont have to carry 24/7 if you don't have a desktop with a drive already.

Quattrone said,
I agree, Apple is really making bad decisions. An optical drive with blu-ray will be the smarter move ever. But they decided to be backward and act like ignorants.

don't worry, you'll be able to buy that bluray/cd/dvd drive externally for only 400$

SirEvan said,

don't worry, you'll be able to buy that bluray/cd/dvd drive externally for only 400$


See, that witty reply just made you look stupid given the fact the MacBook Air's external drive costs $79 today and pretty much every external drive will work with Mac OS X Snow Leopard.

Keep it up.

The only thing that goes on in my head when Apple releases a new product is that "Will it be more expensive than it needs to be?"

0day said,
The only thing that goes on in my head when Apple releases a new product is that "Will it be more expensive than it needs to be?"

You meant to say... "How MUCH more expensive will it be than it needs to be"

I'll add "What features/specs will Apple introduce and present as if they invented them, and how far behind the current technology will it be"

timljohns said,

You meant to say... "How MUCH more expensive will it be than it needs to be"

I'll add "What features/specs will Apple introduce and present as if they invented them, and how far behind the current technology will it be"


Tell me about it, SSDs and Light Peak are almost obsolete.

virtorio said,

Tell me about it, SSDs and Light Peak are almost obsolete.

+1
I appreciate the sarcasm. This "Apple is far behind the current technology" thing is foolishness.

asdavis10 said,

+1
I appreciate the sarcasm. This "Apple is far behind the current technology" thing is foolishness.

+1. They are one of the few companies out there who actually innovates and does extreme R&D

0day said,
The only thing that goes on in my head when Apple releases a new product is that "Will it be more expensive than it needs to be?"

It's funny how basically only PC guys have huge issues with Apple's pricing. So far every Mac owner I met is extremely happy with his/her computer and thinks it well worth the price. It's the exact opposite with PC owners who bought themselves a €700 computer and don't enjoy it as much.

Before anyone starts: There are always exceptions.

virtorio said,

Tell me about it, SSDs and Light Peak are almost obsolete.

To what current technology? I dont know of any faster type of hard drive?

.Neo said,

It's funny how basically only PC guys have huge issues with Apple's pricing. So far every Mac owner I met is extremely happy with his/her computer and thinks it well worth the price. It's the exact opposite with PC owners who bought themselves a €700 computer and don't enjoy it as much.

Before anyone starts: There are always exceptions.

I concur. For at least 20 new Mac owners, I've known 1 that wasn't happy and wanted to go back to Windows. And that's fine with me. I always say "try a Mac for a good hour before actually saying it's crap". He tried and didn't like it, fine.

For 20 PC owners, I've known like 10-12 people unhappy, each for its specific reason, and the one that comes the most often is... Windows.

PsykX said,
and the one that comes the most often is... Windows.

Actually the thing I hear most about these days the build quality of laptops. PC laptops are often made of cheap plastic littered with about a thousand hatches, blinking lights, stickers, buttons and all sorts of other crap like that.

.Neo said,

It's funny how basically only PC guys have huge issues with Apple's pricing. So far every Mac owner I met is extremely happy with his/her computer and thinks it well worth the price. It's the exact opposite with PC owners who bought themselves a €700 computer and don't enjoy it as much.
Before anyone starts: There are always exceptions.

One of the issues I have is that Apple leaves out features that are standard in most other devices. The first gen iPad should of had HDMI out and a front facing camera. Instead, you will have to pay, again, for v2 to get those features (not sure about hdmi). I also dont like Apples marketing strategy. Bash the competition....they have been better lately tho, but for a while there all you heard is how the competition sucks and nothing about what Apple products could do.

techbeck said,

One of the issues I have is that Apple leaves out features that are standard in most other devices. The first gen iPad should of had HDMI out and a front facing camera. Instead, you will have to pay, again, for v2 to get those features (not sure about hdmi). I also dont like Apples marketing strategy. Bash the competition....they have been better lately tho, but for a while there all you heard is how the competition sucks and nothing about what Apple products could do.

How was HDMI and a front-facing camera standard on a new product? What tablets on the market had those features before the iPad? And if you bought an iPad v1 then it can do everything that you should have needed from it when you bought it. Every product in existence gets updated. Lets be realistic. This "you will have to pay, again" argument is the most foolish thing I've ever heard. Just don't buy anything for fear of an updated version be released at some point in the future.

When has Apple bashed the competition? Get A Mac campaign? Apple didn't create those stereotypes of Windows. Those were already out there and Apple used them in commercials. I don't recall a single one of those commercials lying about Windows. Maybe you're referring to Apple's videos showing smartphone's dropping signal. Again, is that not true. They were showing that the issue isn't unique to the iPhone. The severity might be. But the issue is not. I see nothing wrong with any company promoting their product or showing where another product is at fault as long as no lies are being told.

asdavis10 said,

How was HDMI and a front-facing camera standard on a new product? What tablets on the market had those features before the iPad? And if you bought an iPad v1 then it can do everything that you should have needed from it when you bought it. Every product in existence gets updated. Lets be realistic. This "you will have to pay, again" argument is the most foolish thing I've ever heard. Just don't buy anything for fear of an updated version be released at some point in the future.

When has Apple bashed the competition? Get A Mac campaign? Apple didn't create those stereotypes of Windows. Those were already out there and Apple used them in commercials. I don't recall a single one of those commercials lying about Windows. Maybe you're referring to Apple's videos showing smartphone's dropping signal. Again, is that not true. They were showing that the issue isn't unique to the iPhone. The severity might be. But the issue is not. I see nothing wrong with any company promoting their product or showing where another product is at fault as long as no lies are being told.

Apple was the first to introduce the front facing camera with the iPhone 4 and the iPad came out a few months before. So it was possible and was something they should of had in the iPad. The iPad even had a spot for the camera and I am sure that the OS can handle it as well. This has ALWAYS been apples MO. And all other tabs, the promising ones, have cameras and more features. And duh that you upgrade to get new things...but again, what the iPad is missing should be standard IMO.

And if you are telling me that just because Apple didnt create the stereotypes and thats is not bashing, then you are mistaken. The Apple vs PC ads were all about bashing windows and showing nothing about what Apple offers.

techbeck said,
One of the issues I have is that Apple leaves out features that are standard in most other devices. The first gen iPad should of had HDMI out and a front facing camera. Instead, you will have to pay, again, for v2 to get those features (not sure about hdmi). I also dont like Apples marketing strategy. Bash the competition....they have been better lately tho, but for a while there all you heard is how the competition sucks and nothing about what Apple products could do.

The iPad shouldn't have had anything. It's a rev. A product, with the competition still struggling to catch up. If the iPad isn't what you want, simply don't buy it. If you bought it and are happy with it, that won't suddenly change when a hardware refresh hits the stores. You're not forced to do anything.

.Neo said,

The iPad shouldn't have had anything. It's a rev. A product, with the competition still struggling to catch up. If the iPad isn't what you want, simply don't buy it. If you bought it and are happy with it, that won't suddenly change when a hardware refresh hits the stores. You're not forced to do anything.

Just giving my opinion and I know and I am forced to do anything...never said I was. I would rather wait a few months later for another device that offers more and around the same price range.

And the Samsung tab is a rev A product with more features and about the same pricing. And if it is true about Acers dual core tabs next year....then it will be interesting to see how things go from there. Glad I didnt go and buy a Galaxy tab like I was planning. I can wait a little longer.

techbeck said,

Apple was the first to introduce the front facing camera with the iPhone 4 and the iPad came out a few months before. So it was possible and was something they should of had in the iPad. The iPad even had a spot for the camera and I am sure that the OS can handle it as well. This has ALWAYS been apples MO. And all other tabs, the promising ones, have cameras and more features. And duh that you upgrade to get new things...but again, what the iPad is missing should be standard IMO.

And if you are telling me that just because Apple didnt create the stereotypes and thats is not bashing, then you are mistaken. The Apple vs PC ads were all about bashing windows and showing nothing about what Apple offers.

It doesn't change the fact that the iPad does what it is designed for. Its not designed for video conferencing which is why it doesn't have the hardware for it. If someone bought an iPad for that reason then they're foolish. There will be people who don't buy the second gen iPad because they don't need the features that it offers. And other tabs (which still aren't on the market) had the luxury of waiting to see what Apple did and trying to upstage the iPad. HP Slate got shelved after Apple announced the iPad.

Those Mac vs PC commercials were easy to understand. Windows and PC's have these problems and Macs don't. I doubt anyone bought a Mac just from watching those commercials. Instead, they saw them and wen't to further find out why Macs didn't have those problems. It was brilliant marketing which is why Apple won numerous awards for their marketing. Didn't they just win marketer of the decade or something like that? It seems like the industry thinks that those commercials worked.

0day said,
The only thing that goes on in my head when Apple releases a new product is that "Will it be more expensive than it needs to be?"
A Lot of their products really aren't that badly priced anyway. The iPad is competing well, if not favorably in the price department compared to the few major competitors there. The iPhone really isn't any more or less expensive than most other smart phones if you compare them fairly (ie not the 32GB iPhone vs a 8GB Android phone) and the iPods too do ok against their closest competitors like the Zune etc.

Like yeah, sure, the Macbook range do have a bit of a premium but even that can be somewhat negated by not going for the Pro models and a lot of the cost probably can be justified by build quality for those that care. Overall their products may be a bit more expensive but it isn't exactly the 50% markup people make it out to be and they aren't the only company anyway that goes for the premium price tag...Sony's Vaio range in the PC market springs to mind.

PsykX said,

+1. They are one of the few companies out there who actually innovates and does extreme R&D

Yup... that's why they're going to be the first company to add new-fangled USB technology to the IPAD 2 right? wait...it'll be revolutionary, and game changing.

lunarworks said,

Replace all the instances of "Apple" with "Nvidia" in that comic, and it's equally true for the PC crowd.

Or "Nvidia" with Amd *Ati*.

techbeck said,
And the Samsung tab is a rev A product with more features and about the same pricing. And if it is true about Acers dual core tabs next year....then it will be interesting to see how things go from there. Glad I didnt go and buy a Galaxy tab like I was planning. I can wait a little longer.

The Samsung tab is actually quite a bit more expensive and I was extremely unimpressed with the Tab's build quality, it just feels cheap in comparison... Next to that the iPad has been released almost a year before the iPad.

I agree with you btw, the iPad's feature set isn't quite there yet in my opinion either. But given the current state of Android on tablets (or slates whatever you want to call them) the iPad is probably the best you can get at this time. We'll see what happens and if I will hop on board in the first place.

asdavis10 said,

+1
I appreciate the sarcasm. This "Apple is far behind the current technology" thing is foolishness.

So thats why they released the new Macbook Air's with a Core 2 Duo processor? who wants that anymore?