Evangelist: Windows Phone 8 coming to all WP7 phones

Microsoft has been rather cagy when it comes to answering questions about Windows Phone 8 software upgrades for Windows Phone 7 devices. Now WMPowerUser has posted up a translated portion of a video with a Portuguese Microsoft rep which seems to confirm that Windows Phone 8 (code named Apollo) will in fact be made available for all previously released Windows Phone 7 devices.

The translation of the interview with Microsoft Evangelist Nuno Silva states:

What Microsoft said/stated and what I'm allowed to tell you is that all actual devices will get upgrade to the next major version of Windows Phone (we're talking about Apollo).

He adds that devices such as the Samsung Omnia 7, which was released in 2010, would get the software upgrade to Windows Phone 8 despite being first-gen devices.

It's possible that Silva was in fact speaking out of turn since no Microsoft representative has gone on the record, before now, saying Windows Phone 8 would be available for Windows Phone 7 products. However, unless this news bit is denied officially by Microsoft, this will certainly be good news for anyone who has bought or will buy a Windows Phone-based smartphone.

It's also worth noting that every rumor we've heard about this refutes it, and have pointed to only the high end Lumia devices actually receiving the update. Take this one with a grain of salt for now, it's pretty unlikely.

Editor's note: Silva, according to his LinkedIn profile, is actually an employee of Microsoft. Despite this, it is still unclear what position he has at the company and whether he actually works there

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So by being Portuguese I should expect you're lying too? (I'm Portuguese too)

tiagosilva29 said,
He's Portuguese and works for Microsoft. Expect nothing but lies.

(I'm Portuguese.)

They already confirmed the lumia line gets the update. Be stupid to plow millions of dollars into advertising only to stumble in half a year. 2nd gen devices should get it to but not so sure bout 1st gen ones

psionicinversion said,
They already confirmed the lumia line gets the update. Be stupid to plow millions of dollars into advertising only to stumble in half a year. 2nd gen devices should get it to but not so sure bout 1st gen ones

I thought I remembered Nokia saying that as well. Glad to see I'm not alone. lol

This might be a good strategy. Because people tend to reconsider their mobile phone platform when it is time to upgrade their mobile. So if they give users a good reason to stick with their current phone, chances are people will stick with their platform.

I hope such upgrade (if this happens to be true) will not be blocked by mobile operators. One of the biggest issues I hear people complaining about WP is the whole "update blocking" by carriers (particularly US' AT&T). I reckon Microsoft was a bit silly to allow mobile operators to block updates/upgrades.

pmdci said,
This might be a good strategy. Because people tend to reconsider their mobile phone platform when it is time to upgrade their mobile. So if they give users a good reason to stick with their current phone, chances are people will stick with their platform.

I hope such upgrade (if this happens to be true) will not be blocked by mobile operators. One of the biggest issues I hear people complaining about WP is the whole "update blocking" by carriers (particularly US' AT&T). I reckon Microsoft was a bit silly to allow mobile operators to block updates/upgrades.

Carriers are only allowed to block 1 update, so if AT&T blocks a security release, then WP8 comes out, they have to approve WP8... It's nowhere near as bad as people are making it out to be. The bigger problem is the time it takes the carriers to approve these updates. That needs to be improved drastically.

So from some things I've read Apps made for WP8 won't work on WP7? If that happens then Microsoft are just shooting themselves in the foot. I won't upgrade to a WP8 device for new Apps.

So from some things I've read Apps made for WP8 won't work on WP7? If that happens then Microsoft are just shooting themselves in the foot. I won't upgrade to a WP8 device for new Apps.

SPARTdAN said,
So from some things I've read Apps made for WP8 won't work on WP7? If that happens then Microsoft are just shooting themselves in the foot. I won't upgrade to a WP8 device for new Apps.

Well, that was a rumor someone posted on here actually that they came up with from their "insider location" in their living room... Considering the apps run on a Framework (Silverlight / XNA), it shouldn't matter what the underlying OS version is.

SPARTdAN said,
So from some things I've read Apps made for WP8 won't work on WP7? If that happens then Microsoft are just shooting themselves in the foot. I won't upgrade to a WP8 device for new Apps.

That would be bad but not unexpected. Can apps written specially for Windows 7 run on Windows XP? No. But most developers still target Windows XP so XP users have no problems. Can apps written specially for Android ICS run on Android Gingerbread? No. But again, most developers still target Froyo for Android development.

This might be the case with WP7 apps - devs will still target WP7 unless the app uses some fancy stuff introduced in WP8 - and (if this really happens) I hope Microsoft will introduce some way to deliver different "builds" of an app on the marketplace (if such a feature does not already exist). Or Microsoft can just update all WP7 devices to WP8 and you'll have no issues... or provide some kind of compatibility layer...

Like others have said, this better be true. WP will be in trouble if they do not support the current devices. At least second gen of phones.

This would be great news if true. Great for the people who invested in getting a Windows Phone, and great for the WP8 platform, since it gets an instant boost in marketshare. But, they still have to phase out the old phones at some point, so if not at Apollo, then when?

Salutary7 said,
This would be great news if true. Great for the people who invested in getting a Windows Phone, and great for the WP8 platform, since it gets an instant boost in marketshare. But, they still have to phase out the old phones at some point, so if not at Apollo, then when?

Next update? I would expect them to stick to an "all updates within 2 year period" sort of release schedule considering so many people are on 2 year contracts / upgrade paths...

The newest WP devices have ultra low end specs, I couldn't imagine the 2010 devices not struggling with their ancient Adreno 200's, low RAM and their obsolete single core 1GHz CPU's

Sonne said,
The newest WP devices have ultra low end specs, I couldn't imagine the 2010 devices not struggling with their ancient Adreno 200's, low RAM and their obsolete single core 1GHz CPU's
But those "ancient" phones run WP7 silky smooth. I think it is a given all WP7 devices will get upgraded to WP8. MS cannot afford WP to become fragmented like Android. As others have said, the older phones will run WP8 just fine and any new feature those phones don't support will simply be disabled. That is my 2 cents anyway, so take with a grain of salt.

Xerxes said,
But those "ancient" phones run WP7 silky smooth. I think it is a given all WP7 devices will get upgraded to WP8. MS cannot afford WP to become fragmented like Android. As others have said, the older phones will run WP8 just fine and any new feature those phones don't support will simply be disabled. That is my 2 cents anyway, so take with a grain of salt.

Windows Phone won't get fragmented like Android because app compatibility is maintained in WP8.

Sonne said,
The newest WP devices have ultra low end specs, I couldn't imagine the 2010 devices not struggling with their ancient Adreno 200's, low RAM and their obsolete single core 1GHz CPU's

Considering MS had the NT Kernel running on less than WP7 Gen1 hardware, I say your statement is false.

Xerxes said,
But those "ancient" phones run WP7 silky smooth. I think it is a given all WP7 devices will get upgraded to WP8. MS cannot afford WP to become fragmented like Android. As others have said, the older phones will run WP8 just fine and any new feature those phones don't support will simply be disabled. That is my 2 cents anyway, so take with a grain of salt.

Agreed.

wrack said,
Hope MS gets some sense and does something about it. That being said all of these are speculations so let us wait and see.

I am waiting to see if some air is cleared in coming days before i decide to buy WP. i do not want my device to be obsolete & retarded with launch of Apollo

ilovetech said,

I guess after all there won't be any upgrades.. & this is very bad..

https://twitter.com/#!/mar...y/status/192452350311542785

Odd. If you're going to just believe a "source", why not believe one from within Microsoft? LOL I am waiting to hear from Microsoft on this, but find it odd that people latch onto these "sources" when we have no idea who they are. For all we know they work in the cafeteria at the Microsoft Campus...

If MS went through all the trouble of getting Tango to run on low end devices, I'm pretty sure they'll have that same support extended in WP8. It just makes sense.

Sure you probably wont get every new feature, but for the most part you'll be fine.

Enron said,
If MS went through all the trouble of getting Tango to run on low end devices, I'm pretty sure they'll have that same support extended in WP8. It just makes sense.

Sure you probably wont get every new feature, but for the most part you'll be fine.

As long as I ****ing get the keyboard bug fixed, I'll be happy. ****ing AT&T.

Enron said,
If MS went through all the trouble of getting Tango to run on low end devices, I'm pretty sure they'll have that same support extended in WP8. It just makes sense.

Sure you probably wont get every new feature, but for the most part you'll be fine.


Agreed. This is what I'm expecting as well. In the US at least, the average consumer is on a 2 year upgrade path, so Microsoft really does need to support devices for at least 2 years. It would be a big mistake not to...

Enron said,
If MS went through all the trouble of getting Tango to run on low end devices, I'm pretty sure they'll have that same support extended in WP8. It just makes sense.

Sure you probably wont get every new feature, but for the most part you'll be fine.

Isn't Tango supposed to be aimed at low, mid-range devices?

Fritzly said,

Isn't Tango supposed to be aimed at low, mid-range devices?

Not entirely. It has been optimized even further so that the specs can be less, but it also has other features that everyone will be getting. It's not exclusive to lower speced hardware, it just allows the OS to run on lower speced hardware.

M_Lyons10 said,

Not entirely. It has been optimized even further so that the specs can be less, but it also has other features that everyone will be getting. It's not exclusive to lower speced hardware, it just allows the OS to run on lower speced hardware.

Thanks for the clarification; by any chance do you know what improvements or features someone like me with a HD7 and a Lumia 800 will get? Tethering maybe?
TIA

Owen W said,
This guy is going to lose his job, considering he's;
a) Wrong
b) Just leaked information

Care to share your source, that states that he's wrong?

Owen W said,
This guy is going to lose his job, considering he's;
a) Wrong
b) Just leaked information

So by wrong, do you mean that only the 1.4 Ghz Windows Phones will get updated, or none at all?

Or do you mean he's either a) wrong OR b) leaked info?

If WP8 isn't coming to current devices, that really blows. However, your average "dumb" consumer won't know or notice or care, and Microsoft is aiming for the casual user, so it should be fine.

Owen W said,
This guy is going to lose his job, considering he's;
a) Wrong
b) Just leaked information

He could be fired anytime for leak info

Owen W said,
This guy is going to lose his job, considering he's;
a) Wrong
b) Just leaked information
LOL. I cannot believe you're still an editor after this comment.

Dot Matrix said,
If Apple can support multiple generations of phones, so can Microsoft.

Apple can't even manage putting Siri on the iPhone 4, so your statement fails.

andrewbares said,

Apple can't even manage putting Siri on the iPhone 4, so your statement fails.

Siri is one feature that is exclusive to the 4S, so your statement fails. They support multiple platforms just fine.

andrewbares said,

Apple can't even manage putting Siri on the iPhone 4, so your statement fails.


Well, it's hardly unreasonable for some features to be unavailable on older hardware... The OS update is still supported and most features are compatible with older phones. This is what I expect from Microsoft as well.

virtorio said,
Siri is one feature that is exclusive to the 4S, so your statement fails. They support multiple platforms just fine.

Then by that logic, Android can handle multiple platforms too. 4.0 is simply one "feature" that is "exclusive" to newer devices.

Apple can NOT fully support multiple generations of phones. They can only partiallly support them, just like Microsoft is doing.

andrewbares said,

Then by that logic, Android can handle multiple platforms too. 4.0 is simply one "feature" that is "exclusive" to newer devices.

Apple can NOT fully support multiple generations of phones. They can only partiallly support them, just like Microsoft is doing.

No, not even close.

andrewbares said,

They can only partiallly support them, just like Microsoft is doing.

MS is supposed to do, or speculated to do.......... I take these kind of comments with a grain of salt....... I am sure you remember when everybody was stating that carriers could hold only one upgrade of the OS etc. etc. and at the end the entire story was not true.
So far MS has only stated that apps available for 1st generation devices will run on WP8, nothing about upgrading the OS itself.

Fritzly said,

MS is supposed to do, or speculated to do.......... I take these kind of comments with a grain of salt....... I am sure you remember when everybody was stating that carriers could hold only one upgrade of the OS etc. etc. and at the end the entire story was not true.
So far MS has only stated that apps available for 1st generation devices will run on WP8, nothing about upgrading the OS itself.

Where have they held more than one update? I've not seen this... It may take a little while for them to review and push out an update, but they're not blocking more than one...

M_Lyons10 said,

Where have they held more than one update? I've not seen this... It may take a little while for them to review and push out an update, but they're not blocking more than one...

I am not an expert on carriers because I only buy SIM free phones but, for example, it is my understanding that AT&T has skipped 8107 and 8112 updates; besides my point was not what carriers do but what they are allowed to do.

lots of blind MS worshippers here stated over and over that WP was better because OEM and carriers could not skip more than one update and targeting dissenting people as trolls....... Unfortunately for them even the father of all the "worshippers", Paul Thurrott, finally admitted that this was not true at all:

http://www.winsupersite.com/ar...re-updates-revisited-142382

Now that I clarified the meaning of my statement let me also add my 2 cents opinion about the WP 8 upgrade saga:
First I thing we must split the subject in two:
First generation WP7 devices
Second generation WP7 devices

Personally I think that it is very unlikely that the first generation devices will be able to upgrade; it would help the brand and people confidence but I do not see that happen.

Second generation devices is a complete different story: if MS, bending to the pressure of carriers and OEM, will not allow devices like the Lumia 800 and 900, the latter coming to Europe and other markets by the second quarter, to be upgraded to WP8 they will effectively killing the OS. People who will buy a Lumia 900 in May/June and find out in September, October that their less than six month old devices are not receiving the upgrade will be outraged.
So common sense make me think that these second generation devices will see the upgrade but........... MS and Nokia are spending Millions to advertise the reintroduction of the Nokia brand in the US and Nokia is also heavily advertising WP7 devices all over Europe and this will sure help but what better ads than something like "Buy Lumia 900 WP7 "Today", upgrade to WP8 "Tomorrow"?
Instead all the involved parties are dead silent on the subject and the silence is beginning to unnerve a lot of potential buyers.
So to summarize I think that second generation devices should absolutely receive the update but the silence about the matter worries me more and more.