More purported specs of next PlayStation, Xbox leak

New information purported to reveal specifications for Microsoft's next Xbox console and Sony's next PlayStation console have been released today following yesterday's rumors regarding the power of the next-gen consoles.

According to a report by Eurogamer's Digital Foundry, both the next PlayStation console (said to be codenamed Orbis) and the next Xbox console (Durango) will make use of AMD's Jaguar platform and will also each feature an eight-core CPU clocked at 1.6 GHz. Orbis, Digital Foundry says, will feature a graphics card comparable to AMD's Radeon 7970M. The website was unable to acquire information regarding Durango's graphics card, but it did say Microsoft refined "DirectX 11 for a fixed hardware gaming platform."

While much information wasn't revealed about Durango, Digital Foundry does claim Orbis' graphics card and CPU will reside on the same silicon.


Digital Foundry says the above video is comparable to what the next-generation consoles will likely offer.

Digital Foundry also corroborated yesterday's report that Orbis will feature 4GB of GDDR5 RAM while Durango will feature 8GB of DDR3 RAM, with 512 MB and 3GB, respectively, reserved for each console's operating system. The Digital Foundry report slightly differs from yesterday's purported specifications, however, in that VG247's report claimed Orbis would reserve 1GB of RAM for its operating system.

While Digital Foundry was able to provide some information on Durango, its report didn't reveal anything about the rumored Xbox set-top box or rumored 7-inch Xbox Surface tablet. While little information is known about the latter device, it's believed the Xbox set-top box will be revealed at the same time as Microsoft's next-generation Xbox. Microsoft's Larry Hyrb, Xbox Live's director of programming, recently hinted at a June 11 E3 reveal for the company's next-generation Xbox plans.

Source: Eurogamer via Kotaku

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alwaysonacoffebreak said,

Err what? 128 players on 8GB? I think you haven't hosted a single server have you?

Thanks for the question, yes I have. I guess you've not played Project Reality.

Crisp said,

Thanks for the question, yes I have. I guess you've not played Project Reality.

You were talking about BF3 not some Project Reality.

Err what? 128 players on 8GB? I think you haven't hosted a single server have you?

He means console RAM not server RAM. Afaik when you host a game on the 360 you aren't actually hosting it on your console, you're hosting it on MS' servers.

But the BF3 version on consoles are limited to 24 players because the consoles themselves cannot handle any more. Sadly parts of that have found their way on the PC version too...

-Razorfold said,

He means console RAM not server RAM. Afaik when you host a game on the 360 you aren't actually hosting it on your console, you're hosting it on MS' servers.

But the BF3 version on consoles are limited to 24 players because the consoles themselves cannot handle any more. Sadly parts of that have found their way on the PC version too...

In that case I'm sorry, didn't think of that.

Point being. How do you expect Sony to do 1080p 3D or 4k ready as some rumours have it with a Radeon 7970M?

Maybe in Crossfire config. This card is akin to a GTX 580.

FunkyMike said,
Point being. How do you expect Sony to do 1080p 3D or 4k ready as some rumours have it with a Radeon 7970M?

Maybe in Crossfire config. This card is akin to a GTX 580.


And since when can a gtx580 not do 1080p? A gtx580 easily exceeds 1080p even on high end games.

FunkyMike said,
Point being. How do you expect Sony to do 1080p 3D or 4k ready as some rumours have it with a Radeon 7970M?

Maybe in Crossfire config. This card is akin to a GTX 580.

First, you are comparing a dedicated card to an mobile chip secondly..oh wait, no, I won't even go further than that.

FunkyMike said,
Point being. How do you expect Sony to do 1080p 3D or 4k ready as some rumours have it with a Radeon 7970M?

Maybe in Crossfire config. This card is akin to a GTX 580.


Clearly you have ZERO clue of what you are talking about.

alwaysonacoffebreak said,

First, you are comparing a dedicated card to an mobile chip secondly..oh wait, no, I won't even go further than that.

Yes well done on your observation skills. I am clearly comparing a mobile GPU to a dedicated card in terms of performance. Please tell me how this card will manage to output 3D in 1080p without loss of quality. We all know what the PS3 has to do to even manage 3D.

If you are expecting high quality, 3D in 1080p you sir are clearly misunderstanding the performance of the 7970M

Edited by FunkyMike, Jan 19 2013, 6:37pm :

ahhell said,

Clearly you have ZERO clue of what you are talking about.

Your remarks are clearly witty, but why don't you enlighten us with your knowledge of consoles, mobile GPUs and Sony's long term competitive vision.

FunkyMike said,
Yes well done on your observation skills. I am clearly comparing a mobile GPU to a dedicated card in terms of performance. Please tell me how this card will manage to output 3D in 1080p without loss of quality. We all know what the PS3 has to do to even manage 3D.

If you are expecting high quality, 3D in 1080p you sir are clearly misunderstanding the performance of the 7970M

Here's a quote from Tomshardware.com on the performance of the HD 7850, which is roughly the desktop equivalent of the 7970M. "The Radeon HD 7850 1 GB is one of our price/performance favorites, so long as it's more than a few dollars cheaper than the 2 GB version. It's significantly more powerful than Nvidia's GeForce GTX 650 Ti, and you don't run into a problem with just 1 GB of graphics memory unless you push aggressive levels of anti-aliasing at high resolutions (usually above 1080p)."

Invizibleyez said,
Here's a quote from Tomshardware.com on the performance of the HD 7850, which is roughly the desktop equivalent of the 7970M. "The Radeon HD 7850 1 GB is one of our price/performance favorites, so long as it's more than a few dollars cheaper than the 2 GB version. It's significantly more powerful than Nvidia's GeForce GTX 650 Ti, and you don't run into a problem with just 1 GB of graphics memory unless you push aggressive levels of anti-aliasing at high resolutions (usually above 1080p)."

Thank you for being upstanding with your comment .. I appreciate it after seeing the previous comments.

Here is the benchmark of the 7970m compared to its siblings and elders.
http://www.notebookcheck.net/A...adeon-HD-7970M.72675.0.html
It comes in at between the HD 7850 1/2 GB and the GTX 580. (the GTX 650Ti being slower than the GTX 580)

Now to the 3D part:
Most console games are 720p (or lower) upscaled to 1080p. Bf3 on the PS3 is not available in 3D for obvious reasons.

Lets assume that the 7970M manages to output BF3 in 1080p at the highest detail which in itself is hard to do at a good framerate even for laptops. Considering we are talking non gimped down graphics the 7970M does 1920x1080 Ultra (no not Medium or High) AA:4x MS AF:16x at around 40.0 fps in Bf3 on a laptop. The video on Eurogamer shows how it does good on Medium. Considering we are talking about consoles we will just assume that it will work on High with all the pretty and stable FPS @1080p.

Now comes the performance cost of the 3D functionality which will most likely be balanced out through loss of visual quality.

This is a very good laptop card for 2012. We will not pretend like this card will be able to output games in 4k. It will be 1080p upscaled with media being able to play at 4k native if available.

Again referencing my original question if maybe this will be a crossfire configuration after all. (The cost of which would probably be too high for Sony & MS)

Since the PS4 is based on the A10 APU you might want to check out this article comparing an A10 7970m with an ivy bridge setup just for information sake:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/...ivy-bridge-vs-trinity-video

Edited by FunkyMike, Jan 20 2013, 5:18am :

Funky, You forgot the fact that the APU is actually modified for consoles, it's not your typical APU that you can find on the market now, therefor it might be that the graphics chip is also modified.

I didn't forget that it will be modified and I took that into account when mentioning that it will most likely run with all details comparable to High in a game like BF3 which is pure speculation on my part but yet relies on the inherit limitations of the base APU, GPU and on Sony's competitive ambitions of brining out a console that doesn't destroy a bank account whilst being sold for a huge loss.

This generation of consoles is supposed to be much closer to what pcs are and seeing how Sony went with x86 this time around to obtain better traction and to keep costs down it is safe to say that there will be limitations to how much it will be able to push .. It won't be magic.

We can speculate about AMDs new 2013 range but with the final 3rd Dev kits just around the corner there is not much point.
Again this is all speculation the 7970m is expensive and I would not be surprised if Sony uses something cheaper.

TruckWEB said,
With the PS4 and XboxNext using almost the same CPU/GPU, the quest will be on who provide the best games....

both of them.
right now:
xbox360 = good for online games.
ps3 = good for single player games.
wii = good for nintendo/casual games.

Anyways, right now, consoles are cheap so it is pretty possible to own a couple of them (if not all). For example, ipad 3 cost about $600, it is the same price that to buy a xbox360 + ps3.

drazgoosh said,
I'd still go with the PS4, because PSN is free unlike Xbox Live...

because cheap ásses like you can't afford to spend $5 a month.

The "point". Recently built a PC with an nvidia GTX 660, not the best but good. Playing games like AC3 were so drastically better with all the graphics cranked up compared to my GF PS3, it was like a different game. Borderlands 2 and even older games like Metro 2033 and Crysis 2 were like entirely new games with the visuals being so much better. If visuals didn't matter, Atari would still be in your living room. Pushing for better specs now means a better experience for years. Why would anyone NOT push companies to make better products instead of cheaping out everywhere they can because they know you'll accept it in the end? They must laugh at all the fanboys that defend how everything is "good enough" and fight for mediocrity. You'd be surprised how little extra money is necessary to drastically improve any machine.

Hahaiah said,
The "point". Recently built a PC with an nvidia GTX 660, not the best but good. Playing games like AC3 were so drastically better with all the graphics cranked up compared to my GF PS3, it was like a different game. Borderlands 2 and even older games like Metro 2033 and Crysis 2 were like entirely new games with the visuals being so much better. If visuals didn't matter, Atari would still be in your living room. Pushing for better specs now means a better experience for years. Why would anyone NOT push companies to make better products instead of cheaping out everywhere they can because they know you'll accept it in the end? They must laugh at all the fanboys that defend how everything is "good enough" and fight for mediocrity. You'd be surprised how little extra money is necessary to drastically improve any machine.

what's wrong with my Atari in my living room?

The thing is you can not compare consoles to pc's why would you even want to.

Console gaming is made for fun games in the living room.

Game pc's are made for nerds to waste money on absurd hardware for nothing more then bragging .

Think about it who really needs 19 video cards in one Pc.

That's nice enough thread-wise, but only 3.5GB/5GB of unreserved RAM? Incredibly disappointing, especially as those systems are going to need to be 64-bit to address that quantity of memory. If true that is.

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