New Charms bar and Metro wallpaper pattern revealed in leaked Windows 8 shots

At the beginning of this past weekend, we were treated to a weird surprise currently in confidential Windows 8 builds - the lack of an onscreen Start orb. This morning we have more shots coming from build 8220. The Start orb is still missing, but besides that, there is a new interesting addition compared to the Developer Preview.

The black Charms bar seems to have fallen out of favour, replaced with this rather elegant appearance of floating on-screen white icons. We can assume this screenshot was taken on a device lacking touch or stylus input, given the Show Desktop button's narrow width, as opposed to a thicker appearance on touch-capable devices. This could possibly signify that the existing Charms bar for keyboard and mice-only computers, as seen below, is no more:

The other shots, leaked via the Chinese forum PCBeta, contains one example of an alternate pattern to the Metro Start screen:

Additional screenshots are available below. Other smaller revelations include a locked-down Windows Store, a new UI for selecting language settings, and confirmation of per-folder grouping in the All Programs view. There is also an option in Internet Explorer 10's about window to enable automatic updates of the browser.

Images via PCBeta.com; thanks gulshan666 for the tip on the forums!

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Confusing interface, so much inconsistency. So how would you get to certain shortcut on start created in subfolder after installing visual studio? From screenshots i have no idea.

Those icons inside Tiles looks out of place. I don't understand this breaking of work flow by going from desktop to metro and back to desktop. PC Settings looks useless, will require extra clicks to get to the content which matters.

I see they are about to kill old start menu completely. Looks like solution is going to be to put shortcuts on desktop to avoid Metro unless i can fit everything i need by using quick lunch instead of Windows 7 taskbar like due its size.

Why did MS created Metro when there is huge chunk of unused space of Desktop itself minus taskbar? I do not understand this at all.

Did Microsoft fixed actual Search function. When i go to start in Windows 7 and i search for specific dll file, it doesn't find it...quite useless since i don't need to search where is my shortcut for photoshop cause i see it right there on desktop or pinned on task bar.

What's up with flat interface, there is no nice touch to it, looks plain.

IE10 looks good, only thing i can take as positive from this.

Greatly interested in SP2 for Windows 7!

Media Center what is that? Doesn't even play MVK files.

What will be Windows Classic theme now? Is it going to fall back to Windows 7 interface?

Edited by techguy77, Feb 6 2012, 4:31pm :

techguy77 said,
Confusing interface, so much inconsistency. So how would you get to certain shortcut on start created in subfolder after installing visual studio? From screenshots i have no idea.

Those icons inside Tiles looks out of place. I don't understand this breaking of work flow by going from desktop to metro and back to desktop. PC Settings looks useless, will require extra clicks to get to the content which matters.

I see they are about to kill old start menu completely. Looks like solution is going to be to put shortcuts on desktop to avoid Metro unless i can fit everything i need by using quick lunch instead of Windows 7 taskbar like due its size.

Why did MS created Metro when there is huge chunk of unused space of Desktop itself minus taskbar? I do not understand this at all.

Did Microsoft fixed actual Search function. When i go to start in Windows 7 and i search for specific dll file, it doesn't find it...quite useless since i don't need to search where is my shortcut for photoshop cause i see it right there on desktop or pinned on task bar.

What's up with flat interface, there is no nice touch to it, looks plain.

IE10 looks good, only thing i can take as positive from this.

Greatly interested in SP2 for Windows 7!

Media Center what is that? Doesn't even play MVK files.

What will be Windows Classic theme now? Is it going to fall back to Windows 7 interface?

Or you could do like me and install visual studio in the damn thing, that would answer your question. Why pontificate over screenshots?

burnblue said,

Or you could do like me and install visual studio in the damn thing, that would answer your question. Why pontificate over screenshots?

I have played with developer version, from these screenshots it doesn't seem like there will be lot of changes, start orb is missing though. It is different than what was between Windows XP and Windows Vista since at that time Windows Vista was promising a lot more and DX10.0 was very exciting on paper. It is one of those deals when you feel not willing to accept something new but eventually over the time you have to because you are forced by a nature of work you do for living. It is very upsetting. If i could just find Vistual Studio replacement for Linux i would be free And don't get me wrong. Metro is great for Windows Mobile namely Phone and i do have one. But if someone told me that Desktop interface is coming to my Phone i would be ****ed with passion same way i am when someone mentions Metro for PC. I think most people here got my opinion wrong.

techguy77 said,
......

stop spouting the same trash and listen to the people that yell at you.
it's that simple.

instead of being negative, be postitive.
that's simple too.

dotf said,

stop spouting the same trash and listen to the people that yell at you.
it's that simple.

instead of being negative, be postitive.
that's simple too.


yeah, he should just unterstand that his opinion is wrong and Microsoft knows what's best for all users. It's so much easier once you stop thinking yourself and accept that others do that for you…

MFH said,

yeah, he should just unterstand that his opinion is wrong and Microsoft knows what's best for all users. It's so much easier once you stop thinking yourself and accept that others do that for you…

That is the foundation of society, yes. Offload the less important to those who have a vested interest in the subject. The sad thing is that in the IT world those of us who consider ourselves experts are a mere revolution away from obsolesce yet still consider ourselves experts and better than the company that facilitates hundreds of billions of dollars worth of GDP the world over.

The reality is that most of us are gas jockeys in a world that is phasing full serve in favor of profits, which will be rung up on a Microsoft point of sale system.

techguy77 said,
...

WMP plays MKV files just fine, just get the codec...
besidse MKV sucks anyways, so far cant even seem any advantage for it over .avi except for the supported subtitles without the need of an extra file.

If Apple made such drastic changes people would be giving up their first born to try it. Microsoft does it and people complain, or say it is stupid.

I hope with win8 microsoft rolls out its own laptops with a sleek design and touch gestures, backlit keyboard. I love the touchpad and the form factor of a MBP. I'm just not a fan of osx.

CrisCr0ss said,
If Apple made such drastic changes people would be giving up their first born to try it. Microsoft does it and people complain, or say it is stupid.

I hope with win8 microsoft rolls out its own laptops with a sleek design and touch gestures, backlit keyboard. I love the touchpad and the form factor of a MBP. I'm just not a fan of osx.

If anything, we'll be getting more tablets, and or transformer/flip style touch laptops instead.

CrisCr0ss said,
If Apple made such drastic changes people would be giving up their first born to try it. Microsoft does it and people complain, or say it is stupid.

I hope with win8 microsoft rolls out its own laptops with a sleek design and touch gestures, backlit keyboard. I love the touchpad and the form factor of a MBP. I'm just not a fan of osx.

I think you are looking for an Ultrabook, which have been presented on W8 since sep.

People are dumb and want MS to make PC, whyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy?

I love reading comments about the complaints of changes in every OS. The ironic thing is these complainers will all most likely be using the new OS and will adapt. Change is a good thing, people.

briangw said,
I love reading comments about the complaints of changes in every OS. The ironic thing is these complainers will all most likely be using the new OS and will adapt. Change is a good thing, people.

True, i like the changes Ubuntu did and every change they did was good. This change MS did is not good.

Arum Koub said,
Why not to square buttons and the rest of other controls? For me it looks semi-baked to date.

Thats because it isnt anywhere near being completed yet. It isnt even near release candidate yet.

One of the things I would like to have them fix is the amount of space taken when you click the network icon. They should do it so that it doesn't cover up the right part of the taskbar.

Jose_49 said,
One of the things I would like to have them fix is the amount of space taken when you click the network icon. They should do it so that it doesn't cover up the right part of the taskbar.
Why? It's hiding some results and since your attention is focused on the network panel, you shouldn't want to look at the notifications icons.

Mayhem said,
Maybe in Final build the reg tweak to disable the metro and enable the win7 Start Menu still works
Pretty unlikely, they have probably removed the code showing 7 start menu (which is worse than the new one, there is no reason to prefer the old one).

Anthonyd said,
Pretty unlikely, they have probably removed the code showing 7 start menu (which is worse than the new one, there is no reason to prefer the old one).

I believe a regsvr command will do the job. Same as enabling Windows Media Player Toolbar (Worked for me in DP).

Jose_49 said,

I believe a regsvr command will do the job. Same as enabling Windows Media Player Toolbar (Worked for me in DP).
Ever heard of code cleanup? It always happen at the end of the project.

Anthonyd said,
Ever heard of code cleanup? It always happen at the end of the project.

Who knows, maybe we could get a nice surprise

Mayhem said,
Maybe in Final build the reg tweak to disable the metro and enable the win7 Start Menu still works

People hated the Superbar when the Taskbar got replaced in Windows 7, there was a reg hack to get the old one back, this was removed when it RTM'd, and this has happened in the past as well so please don't get your hopes up...

Tony. said,

People hated the Superbar when the Taskbar got replaced in Windows 7, there was a reg hack to get the old one back, this was removed when it RTM'd, and this has happened in the past as well so please don't get your hopes up...


what are you talking about, the old Win9x bar is still there, just set your theme to classic -.-

Windows 8 is suffering from a huge identity crisis. Microsoft is trying so hard to combine the desktop and the tablet experience, but it doesn't make any sense. Nobody wants a touch experience on a desktop with a mouse, because it just doesn't work..

Nobody wants a desktop interface on a tablet, because it just doesn't work.

Isn't there anyone at Microsoft that thinks "hey..maybe we should seperate the two experiences?".

Hopefully they figured it out in Windows 9

Dannydeman said,
Windows 8 is suffering from a huge identity crisis. Microsoft is trying so hard to combine the desktop and the tablet experience, but it doesn't make any sense. Nobody wants a touch experience on a desktop with a mouse, because it just doesn't work..

Nobody wants a desktop interface on a tablet, because it just doesn't work.

Isn't there anyone at Microsoft that thinks "hey..maybe we should seperate the two experiences?".

Hopefully they figured it out in Windows 9

Have YOU tried it? Or are you simply parroting what others (that hate Metro period) have been telling you?

Dannydeman said,
....

I want my Microsoft experience to be consistent across devices thank you very much.

I want to write on a desktop, I want to touch a desktop (I do today, HP touchsmart).

Even if I didn't, I would be ****ed off at MS if someone made a great Metro style app I couldn't live without, only to have Microsoft tell me no.
I don't think so.

dotf said,

I want my Microsoft experience to be consistent across devices thank you very much.

I want to write on a desktop, I want to touch a desktop (I do today, HP touchsmart).

Even if I didn't, I would be ****ed off at MS if someone made a great Metro style app I couldn't live without, only to have Microsoft tell me no.
I don't think so.


I'd rather have dedicated UIs that are perfectly suited for the available input, which renders something like Metro/Touchscreens completely useless for my PC usage…

IMHO: consistent input is not as important as perfectly suited input! Imagine the iPad would have been released with OSX instead of iOS just for the sake of consistent input with Macbooks and iMacs, it would have failed. That's exactly they kind of stuff Microsoft currently does by pushing everything into Metro…

all those screenshots are always low resolution 4/3 ratio. The interface elements look huge on those screens. I would love to see it in widescreen hd resolution. Preferably in motion

XerXis said,
Preferably in motion

The only way to properly show metro off, to illustrate that it's not just flat lifeless icons, but alive and full of information.

You know I was a big fan of Metro but seeing it integrated more the less I like it for the desktop. Pending on what options Metro has/disabling it/how good the apps for it and the WP8 integration but for desktop this could be the 2nd MS OS in 15 years that would make me hesitate.

I hope theres a tonne of W8 tablets come launch, I can see it working well with tablets, no question (particularly ARM and all day battery life!!!) but desktop, you have yet to convince me MS.

Osiris said,
but desktop, you have yet to convince me MS.

I'll convince u
there are a metric tonne of new scenarios that can be enabled by enterprise developers moving to the desktop / charm model of data sharing over rich server side integrations.
No more waiting on IT to finish complex projects, wehn you can code your own HTML metro app in less time, with better data integrity.

Compared to my customised theme for windows 7 i grabbed from deviantart this looks like crap. Also they better not trash on Windows Media Center i will be choked ! i like how it functions now and i created my hacked theme for it

The style beeing used and gadualy beeing spread around the UI looks awefull to me, especialy the 2d flat icons and windows.. is this windows 98 ?
No actualy i'd say Windows ME 2.0

And Internet Explorer auto updates ?
LOL who cares ? ohh wait my Mom or Grandma might lol
What self respecting computer nerd uses that ?
Its 2012 now get a REAL browser..

I am Not PCyr said,
Compared to my customised theme for windows 7 i grabbed from deviantart this looks like crap. Also they better not trash on Windows Media Center i will be choked ! i like how it functions now and i created my hacked theme for it

The style beeing used and gadualy beeing spread around the UI looks awefull to me, especialy the 2d flat icons and windows.. is this windows 98 ?
No actualy i'd say Windows ME 2.0

And Internet Explorer auto updates ?
LOL who cares ? ohh wait my Mom or Grandma might lol
What self respecting computer nerd uses that ?
Its 2012 now get a REAL browser..

Typical moron comment here.
IE9 is a great browser, it can even do things that others browsers can't do it. It fully supports HTML5, and it will help us to get rid of flash, what else do you need?
Compared to Chrome, i'd say it's better (since it's sandboxed, there are blacklist & smartscreen too).
Compared to Firefox, it's still behind in term of customization, so it's up to you to choose which one suits the best to you, but you can't says that IE9 sux badly, that's plain wrong. IE6 sucked hard, but times have changed in 10 years.

I am Not PCyr said,
Compared to my customised theme for windows 7 i grabbed from deviantart this looks like crap. Also they better not trash on Windows Media Center i will be choked ! i like how it functions now and i created my hacked theme for it

The style beeing used and gadualy beeing spread around the UI looks awefull to me, especialy the 2d flat icons and windows.. is this windows 98 ?
No actualy i'd say Windows ME 2.0

And Internet Explorer auto updates ?
LOL who cares ? ohh wait my Mom or Grandma might lol
What self respecting computer nerd uses that ?
Its 2012 now get a REAL browser..


Did you ever use Windows 98 or ME, seeing you think this remotely resembles those operating systems? Because there is no similarity at all.

And do you think the world is filled with "computer nerds" only? Because it's not, the average consumer know very little about computers.

I am Not PCyr said,
......

Yeah, and I"m not upgrading from xp because that Win7 superbar looks too much like windows 1.0
(wicked loads of sarcasm for the asshat)

Anthonyd said,
IE9 is a great browser, it can even do things that others browsers can't do it. It fully supports HTML5, and it will help us to get rid of flash, what else do you need?
It's muuuch better than previous IE versions, but it's not really reasonable to say it 'fully supports HTML5'. There's a lot more than IE10 is implementing in the area of current web standards.

Kirkburn said,
It's muuuch better than previous IE versions, but it's not really reasonable to say it 'fully supports HTML5'. There's a lot more than IE10 is implementing in the area of current web standards.

Well how can anyone claim to really implement HTML5 if they still fail to produce a final specification?

MFH said,
Well how can anyone claim to really implement HTML5 if they still fail to produce a final specification?

No-one can. It's not a black and white situation. For one, HTML5 generally refers to a collection of technologies.

However, just because there isn't a 'final' spec doesn't mean browsers shouldn't implement the stable parts, nor that browsers shouldn't be judged on there support of those parts. Browser support is actually part of the process of getting it to final!

What *can* be said: Webkit, Firefox and Opera implement a much broader range of stable (and useful) standards than IE9 currently does. IE10 will massively improve on this.

Anthonyd said,
Typical moron comment here.
IE9 is a great browser, it can even do things that others browsers can't do it. It fully supports HTML5, and it will help us to get rid of flash, what else do you need?
Compared to Chrome, i'd say it's better (since it's sandboxed, there are blacklist & smartscreen too).
Compared to Firefox, it's still behind in term of customization, so it's up to you to choose which one suits the best to you, but you can't says that IE9 sux badly, that's plain wrong. IE6 sucked hard, but times have changed in 10 ye
ars.
IE6 was really good when released, it beated up Netscape and later the first Mozilla browsers without a single sweat in power, standardisation and stuff.
Not MS's fault the HTML standards changed... eventho with a marketshare of over 90%, IE6 was the standard
Kirkburn said,

No-one can. It's not a black and white situation. For one, HTML5 generally refers to a collection of technologies.

However, just because there isn't a 'final' spec doesn't mean browsers shouldn't implement the stable parts, nor that browsers shouldn't be judged on there support of those parts. Browser support is actually part of the process of getting it to final!

What *can* be said: Webkit, Firefox and Opera implement a much broader range of stable (and useful) standards than IE9 currently does. IE10 will massively improve on this.


and HTML5's finished components are pretty standardized already considering they changed HTML5 to just 'html' well over a year ago already
With the idea of dropping the version numbers, as HTML will never be finished.

and if you base your HTML support findings on html5test.com, you should checkout how that test is biased to begin with
So far from what I notice, the big 4 are quite similar in what they support and what not.
just wish h.264 gets more favorized due to much better performance and allot less resource hog. Really wish they dropped WebM, it generally uses more resources then watching the same video in flash

Shadowzz said,
IE6 was really good when released, it beated up Netscape and later the first Mozilla browsers without a single sweat in power, standardisation and stuff.
Sources please? And given that Firefox didn't really come out until 2003/4, and IE6 was in 2001 ... no, I seriously doubt IE6 was better.

Shadowzz said,

Not MS's fault the HTML standards changed... eventho with a marketshare of over 90%, IE6 was the standard
That was the problem. IE6 used standards ... and then a whole lot of rubbish and bugs and quirks - a lot of which wasn't documented. IE6 helped *cause* the whole push towards standards-only.

Shadowzz said,

and HTML5's finished components are pretty standardized already considering they changed HTML5 to just 'html' well over a year ago already
With the idea of dropping the version numbers, as HTML will never be finished.
What's your point? How does the terminology used have an effect on whether something is standardized?

Shadowzz said,

and if you base your HTML support findings on html5test.com, you should checkout how that test is biased to begin with
So far from what I notice, the big 4 are quite similar in what they support and what not.
just wish h.264 gets more favorized due to much better performance and allot less resource hog. Really wish they dropped WebM, it generally uses more resources then watching the same video in flash
Please point out the massive flaws in the html5test? It's true it doesn't generally test for correctness, but it's fairly safe to say that the technologies wouldn't be turned on in the browsers if they were massively flawed.

(As for the video tech stuff ... massively discussed elsewhere, not gonna touch on it here.)

Have anyone confirmed the new icons of the buttons of the new Charms?
From Top to bottom

The first one is definitely the "Search"
Second looks like the "Share" button
Third is the classic Windows logo for "Start"
What is the fourth one? It is still "Devices"(?) It's design looks like a "Power" button
And finally the last one is "Settings"

Any comments?

nMIK-3 said,
Have anyone confirmed the new icons of the buttons of the new Charms?
From Top to bottom

The first one is definitely the "Search"
Second looks like the "Share" button
Third is the classic Windows logo for "Start"
What is the fourth one? It is still "Devices"(?) It's design looks like a "Power" button
And finally the last one is "Settings"

Any comments?


The fourth looks like a slot which something is plugged into. I.e. plugin devices like USB drives, phones, tablets etc.

nMIK-3 said,
Have anyone confirmed the new icons of the buttons of the new Charms?
From Top to bottom

The first one is definitely the "Search"
Second looks like the "Share" button
Third is the classic Windows logo for "Start"
What is the fourth one? It is still "Devices"(?) It's design looks like a "Power" button
And finally the last one is "Settings"

Any comments?

They are exactly the same as in WDP but with new icons.

1st - Search
2nd - Share
3rd - Start Screen
4th - Devices
5th - Settings

Well at least with the changes to the Charms bar, they seem to have realized not to mix Metro and Aero styles. The white icons with transparent background look somewhat in tune with the white notification area icons of Windows 7.

xpclient said,
Well at least with the changes to the Charms bar, they seem to have realized not to mix Metro and Aero styles. The white icons with transparent background look somewhat in tune with the white notification area icons of Windows 7.

+1

xpclient said,
Well at least with the changes to the Charms bar, they seem to have realized not to mix Metro and Aero styles. The white icons with transparent background look somewhat in tune with the white notification area icons of Windows 7.

Agreed, looking forward to this release!

xpclient said,
Well at least with the changes to the Charms bar, they seem to have realized not to mix Metro and Aero styles. The white icons with transparent background look somewhat in tune with the white notification area icons of Windows 7.

actually prefer the old charms over the new but still looks good. End of February can't come soon enough

for the most part it looks like Windows 7 just the start button is different (unless you are talking about the metro part)

My biggest concern is with all the stuff that seems to be "hidden" in Windows 8. In touch mode you have to just know to swipe in from the sides of the screen, and with a mouse you have to just know to move your mouse to the corners to make stuff happen. To multiselect you have to just know to swipe down on items, and you have to just know that you can zoom in and out on the start screen. Not very intuitive...

And I hope they did something about that absolutely horrible linear task switching for Metro apps...

I think this could be worse then Vista. I wonder what microsoft would do then? I going to reserve judgment until consumer Preview. But My advice to microsoft is make it long preview period, Because I think they are going to have make a lot adjustments before windows 8 is accepted.

Melfster said,
I think this could be worse then Vista. I wonder what microsoft would do then? I going to reserve judgment until consumer Preview. But My advice to microsoft is make it long preview period, Because I think they are going to have make a lot adjustments before windows 8 is accepted.

I'm sure MS can sleep easy now youve given them your advise, I for one thank you for saving them.......

Melfster said,
I think this could be worse then Vista. I wonder what microsoft would do then? I going to reserve judgment until consumer Preview. But My advice to microsoft is make it long preview period, Because I think they are going to have make a lot adjustments before windows 8 is accepted.

No, as Microsoft has stated time and again they don't care about users negative responds to the new features in Windows 8 (e.g Windows Explorer ribbon)...

alexalex said,

No, as Microsoft has stated time and again they don't care about users negative responds to the new features in Windows 8 (e.g Windows Explorer ribbon)...


the ribbon will be 'hidden' by default due to me listening. Does checking facts make me a fanboi?

duddit2 said,

the ribbon will be 'hidden' by default due to me listening. Does checking facts make me a fanboi?

MS not me!

I wish people would appreciate what's been added to Windows 8. There's so much going on for us, developed by those who worked really hard for this to happen, which should be kudo'd all the way. We have options, we're not limited, and if you don't like it ; stay on Windows 7. Nevertheless, we should be able to have the last version of Explorer.exe on Windows 8 anyways. You're destructive criticism isn't needed.

I for one support every change in Windows 8.

MrXXIV said,
I wish people would appreciate what's been added to Windows 8. There's so much going on for us, developed by those who worked really hard for this to happen, which should be kudo'd all the way. We have options, we're not limited, and if you don't like it ; stay on Windows 7. Nevertheless, we should be able to have the last version of Explorer.exe on Windows 8 anyways. You're destructive criticism isn't needed.

I for one support every change in Windows 8.

Some people are keen to resist any change instantly without even test it with their minds freed. You should just say ok lets test it when it comes and compare your productivity and number of clicks you are doing to get whatever information you looking for to whatever version of any Operating system. then they might come down saying ahhhh I hate the Metro Look. ok why?? becausee its messy!! yeah but why? compare to what? you see my point?

S3P€hR said,

Some people are keen to resist any change instantly without even test it with their minds freed. You should just say ok lets test it when it comes and compare your productivity and number of clicks you are doing to get whatever information you looking for to whatever version of any Operating system. then they might come down saying ahhhh I hate the Metro Look. ok why?? becausee its messy!! yeah but why? compare to what? you see my point?

Compared to oh uhh i dunno maybe those of us that don't garbage on our desktop ?
I havn't had an icon on my desktop in like 8 years !
Why would you want all that retarded bs on there defies logic.
I bet most of you that like the metro crap have 1,000 icons on your desktops lol

MrXXIV said,
I wish people would appreciate what's been added to Windows 8. There's so much going on for us, developed by those who worked really hard for this to happen, which should be kudo'd all the way. We have options, we're not limited, and if you don't like it ; stay on Windows 7. Nevertheless, we should be able to have the last version of Explorer.exe on Windows 8 anyways. You're destructive criticism isn't needed.

I for one support every change in Windows 8.


This sounds so much like the BS they gave us after they announced that Drive Extender was removed from Vail…

I am Not PCyr said,
I bet most of you that like the metro crap have 1,000 icons on your desktops lol

I'm a metro fan.
I have 0 desktop icons, but 15 ie9 pinned sites. I don't like right clicking each one when I see an update. If I had one screen that could show me the updated content at a glance, so I could return to my real work instead of wasting clicks...

oh yeah, that's what Metro start is.

Mohitster said,
Did anyone notice windows media center in the first screenshot!?

It seems its leak is imminent!!

I wouldn't put too much stock into that. We know Media Center is likely going to be a Metro app since it'll have to run on ARM devices as well. It seems old apps are still in there (those that most definitely should be removed).

dagamer34 said,

I wouldn't put too much stock into that. We know Media Center is likely going to be a Metro app since it'll have to run on ARM devices as well. It seems old apps are still in there (those that most definitely should be removed).

ARM devices can run classic desktop & apps.

Anthonyd said,
ARM devices can run classic desktop & apps.

I don't think they will! Microsoft has been rumoured to be porting the existing Office apps to ARM devices by making them power efficient and perhaps the virtualisation of the x86 environment on ARM (again very loosely rumoured), but other than that there is no noise regarding traditional x86 apps running on ARM!

dagamer34 said,

I wouldn't put too much stock into that. We know Media Center is likely going to be a Metro app since it'll have to run on ARM devices as well. It seems old apps are still in there (those that most definitely should be removed).

It will be interesting to see what Microsoft does with Windows Media Center. As to me, it is much more practical in x86 environment rather than in metro, but since it is already metro based (or metro inspired?), they may even port it for metro/ARM based devices! Reason I was excited to see Windows Media Center was that we would finally get to see what Microsoft has done more with it in the Consumer Preview....going by the screenshots, and assuming that tile would be a working one!!

Mohitster said,
It will be interesting to see what Microsoft does with Windows Media Center. As to me, it is much more practical in x86 environment rather than in metro, but since it is already metro based (or metro inspired?), they may even port it for metro/ARM based devices! Reason I was excited to see Windows Media Center was that we would finally get to see what Microsoft has done more with it in the Consumer Preview....going by the screenshots, and assuming that tile would be a working one!!

I am in the other Camp. I WANT metro mediacenter and get rid of desktop media center.

As a metro app you can dock its mini-view on the side of the screen while your classic desktop will take up the remaining 40-90% of available real estate.

Mediacenter was part of the inspiration for Metro, not the other way around.

As a developer I'd much rather write medicenter plugins via html/js; or xaml/C# at the very least. As it stands right now, the customer MCML is an abomination which has no other use. They need to create upgrade wizards that convert MCML applications to XAML based apps.


Just imagine what third parties could do with charms, even without porting their apps......

Mohitster said,

I don't think they will! Microsoft has been rumoured to be porting the existing Office apps to ARM devices by making them power efficient and perhaps the virtualisation of the x86 environment on ARM (again very loosely rumoured), but other than that there is no noise regarding traditional x86 apps running on ARM!

It has been demoed at CES 2011, with word running on ARM&classic desktop. They admitted recompiling the apps to make it run on ARM tho.

Yeah! I'm not going to make it without a start menu.

When I'm working in full screen programs or with windows covering my screen, and I want to launch some other utility, I'm not going to be happy when the freakin start screen covers my 30" monitor with a billion tiles and I have to find the right one. This is for touch devices where I'd be very happy to have it.

Heck, I often devote a half or a quarter of my display to some real time visualization (or a video ). I can still use the start menu unobtrusively to launch programs. Like I said, I don't want to block my whole screen just to launch programs.

Microsoft: someone over there reads these forums. Make sure the power-user's desktop experience isn't compromised. Sometimes we need to launch programs without blocking the screen.

Photoshop n00bs and bloggers and computer repairmen think there is nothing wrong with all of this.

Edited by a1ien, Feb 6 2012, 6:23am :

a1ien said,
Yeah! I'm not going to make it without a start menu.

When I'm working in full screen programs or with windows covering my screen, and I want to launch some other utility, I'm not going to be happy when the freakin start screen covers my 30" monitor with a billion tiles and I have to find the right one. This is for touch devices where I'd be very happy to have it.

Heck, I often devote a half or a quarter of my display to some real time visualization (or a video ). I can still use the start menu unobtrusively to launch programs. Like I said, I don't want to block my whole screen just to launch programs.

Microsoft: someone over there reads these forums. Make sure the power-user's desktop experience isn't compromised. Sometimes we need to launch programs without blocking the screen.

Photoshop n00bs and bloggers and computer repairmen think there is nothing wrong with all of this.

Do you open the start menu and stare at it for minutes on end? Just press the key on your keyboard, type a few letters in, and press enter. That's all it takes. Your screen is blocked off for a whole 2 seconds.

Nashy said,
Seriously. This OS seems to be getting worse with every leak.

Its just another windows vista. windows 9 will fix it all for ya ;-)

Nashy said,
Seriously. This OS seems to be getting worse with every leak.

From screenshots you can't understand anything... you have to try it before judge something.

a1ien said,
Yeah! I'm not going to make it without a start menu.

When I'm working in full screen programs or with windows covering my screen, and I want to launch some other utility, I'm not going to be happy when the freakin start screen covers my 30" monitor with a billion tiles and I have to find the right one. This is for touch devices where I'd be very happy to have it.

Heck, I often devote a half or a quarter of my display to some real time visualization (or a video ). I can still use the start menu unobtrusively to launch programs. Like I said, I don't want to block my whole screen just to launch programs.

Microsoft: someone over there reads these forums. Make sure the power-user's desktop experience isn't compromised. Sometimes we need to launch programs without blocking the screen.

Photoshop n00bs and bloggers and computer repairmen think there is nothing wrong with all of this.


Someone's out of style. Today's 'power' users have multiple monitors, not one GINORMOUS one, and users with 2+ displays will not suffer your problem.

mrp04 said,

Do you open the start menu and stare at it for minutes on end? Just press the key on your keyboard, type a few letters in, and press enter. That's all it takes. Your screen is blocked off for a whole 2 seconds.

maybe he doesnt want to do it that way.

Joshie said,

Someone's out of style. Today's 'power' users have multiple monitors, not one GINORMOUS one, and users with 2+ displays will not suffer your problem.

I have two 24" monitors, I still don't like the new start menu. My desktop is not a tablet.

Nashy said,

I have two 24" monitors, I still don't like the new start menu. My desktop is not a tablet.

I don't really mind the entire desktop popping up for a few seconds, i will say however that the "omnisearch" has become less useful now that you have them divided in categories, don't get me wrong, categories are great.

They're just not that useful when you already know you have to type "user acc" to get to user accounts and then figure out you have to click the "Settings" category first.

FISKER_Q said,

I don't really mind the entire desktop popping up for a few seconds, i will say however that the "omnisearch" has become less useful now that you have them divided in categories, don't get me wrong, categories are great.

They're just not that useful when you already know you have to type "user acc" to get to user accounts and then figure out you have to click the "Settings" category first.


I have to agree with that. I hope that is simplified...

Joshie said,

Someone's out of style. Today's 'power' users have multiple monitors, not one GINORMOUS one, and users with 2+ displays will not suffer your problem.

I'm a professional software developer (aka. power user), still I prefer one big screen compared to two small ones…

mrp04 said,

Do you open the start menu and stare at it for minutes on end? Just press the key on your keyboard, type a few letters in, and press enter. That's all it takes. Your screen is blocked off for a whole 2 seconds.

It doesn't have to be blocked off because in many instances for example I can't afford to be blocked off not even for 2 seconds. Start menu type in what you are looking for doesn't work all the time since Search in Windows is quite useless. I do not understand why Metro has to be intrusive in any point of time? Desktop is going to be main screen for PC and Laptops. Metro and any related Metro UI should be awoken only on demand which would require to actually start it as any other program. By doing that Metro ends up useless and since it is MS will try to force it, quite offensive!. They did same with Zune and noone is using it. Makes no sense. I wonder what will happen if you play a game and you want to quickly alt tab to see status of something in your tray icons. I bet it will go by default to Metro.

FISKER_Q said,

I don't really mind the entire desktop popping up for a few seconds, i will say however that the "omnisearch" has become less useful now that you have them divided in categories, don't get me wrong, categories are great.

They're just not that useful when you already know you have to type "user acc" to get to user accounts and then figure out you have to click the "Settings" category first.

First off, User Accounts is in Control Panel (non-Metro), so type in "control" at the Run Box (WIN+R). If you have Small Icons set as the default, go *directly* to Users.

Brando212 said,

I also noticed it now says "[bold]Windows[/bold] Internet Explorer" now

It's been called that for a while now. Since IE7.

Yeah, next they will finally bring spell check built in. lol Does MS really not know that many users choose something else simply because of spell check?

justmike said,
Yeah, next they will finally bring spell check built in. lol Does MS really not know that many users choose something else simply because of spell check?

The IE team seems to be made of brilliant programmers and weird program managers.

justmike said,
Yeah, next they will finally bring spell check built in. lol Does MS really not know that many users choose something else simply because of spell check?

You didn't know spellcheck is an OS level feature now, making the need to have it included in the browser redundant?

Denis W said,

Nice spot! Added

It's hardly ever updated (unlike Chrome and now FF) and critical updfates come via Windows Update *shrug*

dotf said,

You didn't know spellcheck is an OS level feature now, making the need to have it included in the browser redundant?

Nice, and it's about time.