Next Xbox rumored to be 'expensive' at launch


Navigate to the 54:44 mark to hear Paul Thurrott discuss Microsoft's next-generation Xbox gaming console.

It's no secret Microsoft's been working on a successor to its Xbox 360 gaming console, but while the console's reported specifications have leaked out, one thing that hasn't been revealed is the console's price – until now, that is, according to a new rumor from Paul Thurrott.

Thurrott claims the next-generation Xbox will be "expensive" at launch, costing as much as $500, though it isn't clear if he was exaggerating the amount compared to current console costs. His sources also corroborated claims that the next Xbox, code-named "Durango," will require a persistent Internet connection to function, a feature that has widely been criticized on the Internet.

The report came in the April 5 episode of the "What the Tech" video blog Thurrott's hosts with Andrew Zarian. In the video, Thurrott said the information he's recently been told meshes with information he's previously received.

"Durango is going to be expensive – you know $500, $300 for the subscription, that kind of thing," he said. "But you know – [it will have] Blu-ray, blah, blah, blah. But the thing that interests me, I'm going back and looking at some of the stuff I got a long time ago, [and] it actually says 'must be internet-connected to use' – that's in the notes. And that's all I have – it does say that."

In addition to the next-generation Xbox, however, Microsoft will also reveal a $99 Xbox 360 console code-named "Stingray," Thurrott claims. He added that the $99 console is not the set-top box that Microsoft was rumored to be working on, however. Thurrott said that device was code-named "Yumo" and won't be released this year, though it could come at some point in the future.

Thurrott said he doesn't believe Durango will play Xbox 360 games, though he admitted that he doesn't know for sure. He also added that he doesn't know what the always-on Internet requirement will actually entail.

"I don't know, because I don't know what that means," Thurrott said when asked by Zarian if the requirement was a bad thing. "You know, when you look at some of the stories that were coming out this week ... I saw a headline that said something like, 'Next Xbox could be OK without an Internet connection for as long as three minutes,' or something like that. I don't even know what that means."

Microsoft's next Xbox will be announced in May, according to Thurrott's sources. In the episode, Thurrott said the specific date for the reveal is May 21, adding that the console will be released to the general public in early November.

If Thurott's information is accurate, Microsoft would be taking a drastically different approach than it did with the Xbox 360, which at launch cost $299 for a version that lacked a hard drive and $399 for a 20GB version. By comparison, Sony's PlayStation 3 at launch cost $499 for a 20GB version and $599 for a 60GB version.

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*IF* this is true, that will give Wii U and advantage and the PS4 an advantage *IF* it's cheaper.
*IF* Online Required for game play and *IF* it blocks used games, Microsoft *COULD* be hurting.

However, will see what the reality is once more concert information comes out.

$500 seems a lot to be honest, I'd happily pay the equilivant in proper money (sterling) if Live is free, if not I'll happily wait a year or two

Somebody...Send me one to AUS. I'll pay for it, give you $100 for your trouble, and even save another $300. Yes...The PS4 & The X-BOX will cost app. $900 down-under.

Wow ...this "Always On" is still going on! Ok, I'll chime in, and I've said this here before, but I think the "Always On" feature could probably a stand-by feature of the device. As rumor has stated, it comes with a BD drive, and for BD drive to start up quickly, a Stand By mode (Sony BD players) must be set to Quick Start, and yes, it take a bit more power when it is enabled.

Second, if it is true that the new Xbox can record television show, then it must be in that state to record on schedule.

To be honest, as some of you has said, lets wait until the official announcement from MS, however, Always On feature is something that will NOT deter me from buying the next Xbox. Heck, some of you have your PC running 24/7.

Always On does not mean always connected to the Internet. MS has not mentioned anything about the Xbox being connected to the Internet all the time. However, if Xbox will use an IPTV based software, like the one they sold to Ericsson, then yes, it has to be always connected to the Internet to recerd television shows.

Which by the way, Microsoft is concentrating on their their own television offering on Xbox, so yes, the rumor MIGHT be true that Xbox will need an always connection Internet connection because it will be based on IPTV. That doesn't mean that you cannot play a game offline.

Why don't we just wait until the console and/or price is officially announced? Then we can say whether it's expensive or not?

Paul Thurrott "I don't know,i just don't know, Im just telling you what I know, that I just don't know"

and about the pricing,hes obviously guessing. this article gives nothing new.

btw who will actually be ****ed if there is no BC??? its impossible. the hardware in the new xbox is not even close to being able to emulate the 360 properly. you would get a few FPS max,and your new box will be running %100 peak all the time and create massive heat and power consumption. If they were to include xbox 360 chips in the new xbox, it would be a huge ****in box.

i got my self a Nintendo Wii U and i love it .

you all can fight and scream all you want but for my i am happy with my console .
glad i have no interest at all in sony or microsoft i wish you all luck the next few months

all the games i want i have and the new mario kart / resident evil / call of duty are coming this summer / fall

also please note i am a huge nintendo fanboy they have never once in 30 years let me down lol so nothing you can say will ever change my mind . lol

AtriusNY said,
I also heard that the new Xbox will require a power source connection to function.

False. It has a trapdoor on the bottom, you open it. Fart in side and the pixies Microsoft have trapped in there run away from the smell on little treadmills that are used to power LEDs. In turn they convert the light into power.

Have there been any positive rumours of the next Xbox?
-less powerful than PS4
-Always-online requirement
-Kinect connection required
-More expensive than PS4
-Not Backward-compatible with 360 Games

I'm waiting for some official news, but based on the rumors so far, I'm becoming much less interested in the new Xbox.

Sounds like a lot of rumors and fud to me. Since neither the PS4 or next Xbox prices have been announced how can anyone say it will be more expensive? As for always online many people do not have internet (shocked gasps from the geeks section) or they are stuck on dial-up so I doubt Microsoft would be stupid enough to require it to always be online. Then again they've done some pretty stupid things...

Given how similar Microsoft and Sony's next consoles sound, I would be really surprised if one makes a decision in either price or DRM that puts them at a strong disadvantage over the other.

My impression of Microsoft is that their Xbox division is not stupid. Although this is Microsoft, and maybe the infection in their Windows division has spread....

Chugworth said,
My impression of Microsoft is that their Xbox division is not stupid. Although this is Microsoft, and maybe the infection in their Windows division has spread....

My thoughts exactly, at this stage I wouldn't put anything past MS

With inflation, I can see the consoles being 400-500 bucks. Why not, it has a lifespan of 5-10 years, and it is an investment for entertainment.

I can also see games creep up to 70 bucks as a standard for this new generation, and some type of used game gimmick that drops them quickly to the 'greatest hits' $19-30 pricing of old.

That said, I will wait till the consoles are reasonable in price and enjoy my PS3 and 360 till it does. No loss, as the new games will still be there when I am ready.

I'm an Xbox fan, but Microsoft needs to remain competitive, and Sony already confirmed game prices max out at $60 for them, so a standard edition of a game shouldn't max out beyond $60 unless a drastic, industry wide change occurs. Do not ask for a source, Google will return a ton of results in this defense.

M$ can suck it. I'll just have to make do with PC gaming, got a great rig that I can work on, watch my media and play games with using an Xbox controller to boot...I may have been tempted to pick up a game console, but I'm tired of paying for overpriced games, subscriptions and now "always on". I'm just done. God I hope it flops, just to teach the industry a lesson.

...and your "gaming PC" is running which OS? likely, Windows, in which case they don't give a **** what you think - you've already given them $$, though not what you would with DLC + XBL gold etc. but still. /yawn

Alladaskill17 said,
...and your "gaming PC" is running which OS? likely, Windows, in which case they don't give a **** what you think - you've already given them $$, though not what you would with DLC + XBL gold etc. but still. /yawn

I hear he's a Linux gamer...

Wow. That wooshing sound is the point flying by. Maybe you missed the idea of owning a PC and a console. You know, like most people. Now they can minus one of those. God, I hope you're not in charge of anything important.

I love how you perceive your own statements to be clear as day, or of high intelligence? Not sure if you enjoy *attempting* to put others down, but you failed. Work on getting your point across and maybe others can actually communicate you, until then, enjoy believing you have an above average IQ (clearly you do, but its ok - ALL people THINK they're above avg, and yes, its part of my job to know this ) Thanks for personal attack on the internet, yes I resorted to your level lol good day.

If either rumour is true, I can't say I'm going to be getting an Xbox vNext.
And yes, I'm well aware these are rumours (note spelling, yankees).

xendrome said,
Isn't $499 about right for this day and age.. the Xbox 360 was 399 at launch and that was in 2005...

What if $499 is the price with Kinect2 and there is a $399 model without it? We really don't know how they'll do it but MS does like having multiple SKUs of things. I expect the same for the next Xbox again, different size hd, with or without Kinect2 and so on.

Let's all get worked up and spend our precious energy discussing rumors which may or may not be true, then when the console is released we will realise how much time we had wasted talking about these rumors because no one benefits from it.

Sincerely,
Life.

ffs. said,
Let's all get worked up and spend our precious energy discussing rumors which may or may not be true, then when the console is released we will realise how much time we had wasted talking about these rumors because no one benefits from it.

Sincerely,
Life.

Microsoft are benefitting from this. They haven't released any information about the console or announced anything yet we already have half the globe talking about it! Once they clarify things at the press release everything will look so much better and people will be walking out the door with it!

ffs. said,
Let's all get worked up and spend our precious energy discussing rumors which may or may not be true, then when the console is released we will realise how much time we had wasted talking about these rumors because no one benefits from it.

Sincerely,
Life.


Uh, you remember that you typed this on a website aimed at discussing the latest in tech, rumors and otherwise, right? If you're just looking for reading news, what on earth are you doing down here in the comment thread?

Honestly, I could believe its just the dev kits that need the always-on, but not consumer model.

If anything this is good recognition, cause even if its bad news its still getting a HUGE reaction from the gaming community. I'd imagine at reveal they will hit it out of the park if they get this one rumor disproved.

In other news the sky is blue! of cause it's gonna be expensive! new consoles (or any new tech for that matter) always are, how is this even news??

$500 expensive though? Sony got punished pretty hard at launch for that launch price, I doubt MS would make the same mistake. Especially with the PS4 being $300 (supposedly) at launch.

I put "expensive" instead of $500 in the headline because I'm not sure if he was being literal when he said $500, which I noted in the article. Read the entire article and it's pretty clear why it's news, IMO.

Anthony Tosie said,
I put "expensive" instead of $500 in the headline because I'm not sure if he was being literal when he said $500, which I noted in the article. Read the entire article and it's pretty clear why it's news, IMO.

What makes you think that I didn't read the entire article? I wasn't referring specifically to your comment, but to Paul's. Being realistic, I'd probably say $200 for the subsidised hardware + subscription, and $300 ($350 at a stretch) for the hardware outright would be reasonable. Exaggerating by $150-200 is either clickbait (probable) or a bad business decision for Microsoft.

No need to be so defensive dude, it's a decent article .

Majesticmerc said,

What makes you think that I didn't read the entire article? I wasn't referring specifically to your comment, but to Paul's. Being realistic, I'd probably say $200 for the subsidised hardware + subscription, and $300 ($350 at a stretch) for the hardware outright would be reasonable. Exaggerating by $150-200 is either clickbait (probable) or a bad business decision for Microsoft.

No need to be so defensive dude, it's a decent article .


I was responding to Xerxes and forgot to quote him -- sorry.

Expensive is also a relative term you should shy away from... just saying. If "always-on" is confirmed as false, this will be a day 1 purchase, unless the really fu** up the official unveiling presentation.

Anthony Tosie said,
I put "expensive" instead of $500 in the headline because I'm not sure if he was being literal when he said $500, which I noted in the article. Read the entire article and it's pretty clear why it's news, IMO.

I did and I still fail to see how this is even news? new consoles are almost always expensive because they incorporate new technologies that are (initially) expensive to produce. To be honest, I would only consider it news if MS were able to release it at a greatly reduced price (hence breaking the expected norm of introducing new tech).

Here is Australia I wouldn't be surprised if the console is AUD$900+ at launch (the PS3 was ~AUD$1,000 at launch here for reference), it is just to be expected (it sucks but is just the way it is). Well that is my thoughts on the matter at any rate.

Alladaskill17 said,
Expensive is also a relative term you should shy away from... just saying. If "always-on" is confirmed as false, this will be a day 1 purchase, unless the really fu** up the official unveiling presentation.

There's no reason to shy away from it if it's a direct quote, hence why it's in quotes in the title

@Xerxes: The fact that it could cost significantly more than the original Xbox at launch isn't newsworthy? The fact that he's corroborating with his own sources about the always-on isn't newsworthy? The fact that he's saying there will also be a redesigned Xbox 360 for $99 isn't newsworthy? The fact that he said the rumored set-top box won't come out this year isn't newsworthy?

I disagree. There's clearly a lot of newsworthy information that came out of his statements. Whether or not they're accurate remains to be seen, however, which is why I reported them as rumors and not fact.

Anthony Tosie said,

There's no reason to shy away from it if it's a direct quote, hence why it's in quotes in the title

@Xerxes: The fact that it could cost significantly more than the original Xbox at launch isn't newsworthy? The fact that he's corroborating with his own sources about the always-on isn't newsworthy? The fact that he's saying there will also be a redesigned Xbox 360 for $99 isn't newsworthy? The fact that he said the rumored set-top box won't come out this year isn't newsworthy?

I disagree. There's clearly a lot of newsworthy information that came out of his statements. Whether or not they're accurate remains to be seen, however, which is why I reported them as rumors and not fact.

For me personally I don't consider rumors really newsworthy, anybody can make up a rumor and claim to have a credible source. When these said rumors are proven fact (or false) by MS, then I'll consider them newsworthy.

I'm not saying this isn't news to other people, just to me personally it is not. This is only my opinion and not stating it as otherwise.

Majesticmerc said,

What makes you think that I didn't read the entire article? I wasn't referring specifically to your comment, but to Paul's. Being realistic, I'd probably say $200 for the subsidised hardware + subscription, and $300 ($350 at a stretch) for the hardware outright would be reasonable. Exaggerating by $150-200 is either clickbait (probable) or a bad business decision for Microsoft.

No need to be so defensive dude, it's a decent article .

The good 360 came out at $400 in 2006. That's $450 today. Why is $450 an unreasonable number?

There was a version of the 360 that was $300 (about $345 with inflation) but that one required at the minimum a $40 memory card to make operational, so $340 or $385 today. That version really wasn't worth buying because a 64MB memory card was barely usable and adding the hard drive would cost the $100 difference alone and you'd still be missing out on HD video cables (no HDMI at launch), wireless controller vs wired, headset, ethernet cable, and remote.

"always-on" + $500? Don't make me go 2/3 on MS Consoles and get my first Plsystation...

**ck it; I'll probably get one, hate the always-on until I graduate (**** internet on campus, fast but incredibly unreliable) and wait for a price drop. Let it be known internet ( ) I was a day 1 adopter of the original Xbox and the 360.

Yes, and I am in an "always-on" area thanks to University, but they're not a reliable connection, though fast. So... yeah the thought of not starting a newly purchased game jut b/c I'm being treated as a pirate concerns me; though I've commented on the pros and cons of this feaute throughout the forums - I'm indecisive and honestly just hope its a rumor as it would hurt MS's early adopter #s; after all - the business is in software, not hardware figures and overall IMO - no experience in the field - would hurt thier overall income; but I'm sure they've run the numbers and if combating piracy for the sake of sacrificing customers = more profit I'm sure they'll do it because they are a business after all.

Alladaskill17 said,
Yes, and I am in an "always-on" area thanks to University, but they're not a reliable connection, though fast. So... yeah the thought of not starting a newly purchased game jut b/c I'm being treated as a pirate concerns me; though I've commented on the pros and cons of this feaute throughout the forums - I'm indecisive and honestly just hope its a rumor as it would hurt MS's early adopter #s; after all - the business is in software, not hardware figures and overall IMO - no experience in the field - would hurt thier overall income; but I'm sure they've run the numbers and if combating piracy for the sake of sacrificing customers = more profit I'm sure they'll do it because they are a business after all.

Always on, didn't say it's IPv4... Microsoft are pushing for the latest technology with the next xbox. I hope you've got IPv6 connectivity...

ShareShiz said,
I hear the next xbox is rumored to have a fiber optic connection only. So long Cat6 !

I heard from someone's mother, who talked to the checkout girl at the local supermarket. Well her boyfriend's sister, was chatting to another girl in a bar and my best mate's uncle who is learning English was install a CCTV camera system in the pub and he over heard them speaking and they said the next xbox is going to be 3D only and you need to have an RFID chip inplanted into your hand and each control pad is programmed only to work with that one RFID Chip.
But as a bonus, at least we can use NFC tech to pay for our xbox titles*


*not pre-used. User-warning: RFID explodes in hand if used with pre-owned games.

ShareShiz said,
Always-on. So we know you are playing, and we know exactly when a problem occurs.

Most likely.


If "problem" includes "using a resold game", you're correct.

Microsoft is treading on thin ice if they both have an always-on requirement as well as steep subscription costs. It's at that time you should start wondering what you're exactly paying so much extra for. The subscription fee should actually be lowered, since you're only paying for a rental service, not truly owning the game products.

If the rumours are true, Microsoft have gone off the deep end. I doubt they are though. I can't see Microsoft releasing a console for more than the PS4, especially seeing the poisonous response that the PS3 got for being $500, and ESPECIALLY if the PS4 is (as expected) $300 at launch.

ShareShiz said,
Paul Thurrott's rumors are always right

/s

Well to be fair, he did successfully predict that the Xbox 360 would contain a processor of some sort so that restores his credibility right??

ingramator said,

Well to be fair, he did successfully predict that the Xbox 360 would contain a processor of some sort so that restores his credibility right??

I'm going to make a prediction also..... the next xbox will have at least one ARM chip in it..... oh wait, most network controllers chips are ARM based now, yay my prediction is already right! ZOMG run a story now that says the next xbox will have an ARM chip in it!

ShareShiz said,
Paul Thurrott's rumors are always right

/s


I'm not a Thurrott fan at all, but I think he's on the money here. This is good news. Very good news.

Avatar Roku said,

I'm not a Thurrott fan at all, but I think he's on the money here. This is good news. Very good news.

What? If I hadn't already read some of the other nonsense you've posted, I'd be really confused. LOL

ShareShiz said,
Paul Thurrott's rumors are always right

/s


He was right about the Xbox event getting delayed. Actually, I consider Paul to be a very credible source of info for Microsoft stuff. He kills it!