Nokia slams HTC, says innovation is more than color

HTC has pulled back the covers on its Windows Phone 8 devices and Nokia followed right along to criticize the new products. The new HTC 8S and 8X drop the boring gunmetal gray and chrome look for bold new colors, much like Nokia introduced last year when it showed off the Lumia line of Windows Phone products.

Nokia's newly minted EVP of Nokia Sales and Marketing, Chris Weber, took to Twitter to point out that innovation is more than applying color to your phones. He is clearly talking about all the software enhancements that Nokia is delivering with its devices like City Lens, PureView, and Nokia Drive.

It's clear that Chris is making a stab at the new HTC devices which have new shells that come in a variety of colors. Is he right, well, that is a personal choice if you think Nokia's software offerings outclass those of HTC.

Nokia is not shy about calling out its competitors as the company went after Samsung when they unveiled their new ATIV S Windows Phone that sticks to the classic gunmetal gray look Samsung has been championing for some time. 

Source: Twitter

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Isn't Nokia slamming everyone and everything these days? I think they should take a good hard look at themselves before criticising others.

Oh and I think HTC's new phones look better than yours Nokia

Edited by simplezz, Sep 19 2012, 8:52pm :

Golden rules - respect opponents, never believe that you are irreplaceable, never believe that you are perfect and never abuse with over-confidence. That's happened to Nokia in 2008. That's happened to HTC in 2010. But Nokia seems stepping on same rakes again...

How much innovating can you really do when Microsoft only gave Nokia the rights to change Windows Phone's internals/UI/etc?

To me this is really funny. First Nokia has people with signs parading around Samsungs event and now they are slamming on HTC. Anyone would think Nokia wants to be the only Windows Phone 8 producer in the world.

Now I do think that the HTC 8X would look completely different (or not exist at all!) if the Lumia line hadn't proceeded it. It borrows heavily from Nokias Lumia design language. But Nokia should take the high road. Look at how people reacted to Apple calling Samsung innovation pirates, stealing iPhones distinctive design. Even if it's true consumers don't like hearing about it.

Vice said,
To me this is really funny. First Nokia has people with signs parading around Samsungs event and now they are slamming on HTC. Anyone would think Nokia wants to be the only Windows Phone 8 producer in the world.

right now i would think nokia would want a few manufacturers in the game, at least until there's a respectful market share. get the word out as much as possible. take the high road, "we welcome the competition, but nokia wp8 has <insert features>"
flood the market for now, a la android, except without the atrocious fragmentation and some sense of hardware specs minimum.

Vice said,
To me this is really funny. First Nokia has people with signs parading around Samsungs event and now they are slamming on HTC. Anyone would think Nokia wants to be the only Windows Phone 8 producer in the world.

Now I do think that the HTC 8X would look completely different (or not exist at all!) if the Lumia line hadn't proceeded it. It borrows heavily from Nokias Lumia design language. But Nokia should take the high road. Look at how people reacted to Apple calling Samsung innovation pirates, stealing iPhones distinctive design. Even if it's true consumers don't like hearing about it.

Looks like it's headed that way, Nokia seem to forget how they laughed at Microsoft when WP7 was released when Samsung and HTC took a chance on it when Nokia didn't want to know.

Nokia, you need to learn to STFU and concentrate on your own devices first rather than doing the arrogant Apple style bashing of the competition. Look at how Samsung came out of the Apple vs. Samsung trial with a better reputation than Apple.

It's funny how for HTC beats audio = studio quality. Beats Audio is based on anything but studio sound. It is a subjective colouring of sound to match the average expected much bass, crisp high idea. Having heard most Beats headsets they sound awful and are far from representative of what I consider proper sound. And having been an audio engineer for most of my life I consider myself qualified to judge here.

paulheu said,
It's funny how for HTC beats audio = studio quality. Beats Audio is based on anything but studio sound. It is a subjective colouring of sound to match the average expected much bass, crisp high idea. Having heard most Beats headsets they sound awful and are far from representative of what I consider proper sound. And having been an audio engineer for most of my life I consider myself qualified to judge here.

Couldnt have said it better myself mate, I really dont get what all the fuss is about, if it was "studio" why on earth would serious musicians and studios invest in flat response speakers & headcans......

Also his comments on twitter actually made me laugh, sorry but people in glass houses and all that, at least when HTC claim the video advert is filmed on an HTC it actually is.

ichi said,
Nokia is being a bit of an attention bitch lately.

No, they're Microsoft's bitch. There doing a lot of stuff with them these days...

I just hope that Nokia backs up their "innovation" claim by putting both Lumias onto Verizon. I cannot wait to dump AT&T with their atrocious voice quality and dropped calls.

pickypg said,
I just hope that Nokia backs up their "innovation" claim by putting both Lumias onto Verizon. I cannot wait to dump AT&T with their atrocious voice quality and dropped calls.

Wells that's not Nokias decision really... Verizon controls their own network and ultimately decides what phones they want to offer on it.

Antaris said,
Wells that's not Nokias decision really... Verizon controls their own network and ultimately decides what phones they want to offer on it.
True, but I can't imagine that there's any special sauce (possibly minus any kickbacks) in HTC's offering that couldn't exist in Nokia's. With that said, HTC has a lot more experience on CDMA networks than Nokia. Nokia is much more of a household name than HTC.

While he's right, I think posting negative tweets shows a negative personality to Nokia. He could have posted a more positive tweet or nothing at all.

j2006 said,
While he's right, I think posting negative tweets shows a negative personality to Nokia. He could have posted a more positive tweet or nothing at all.
Personally I think it shows desperation

j2006 said,
While he's right, I think posting negative tweets shows a negative personality to Nokia. He could have posted a more positive tweet or nothing at all.


True. He could make it subtle through a positive tweet. Just tweeted him this:

@CWeberatNokia Negative tweet. Bad idea.A positive spin to try: "Unlike other newly announced WP8 devices, only the Nokia Lumia 920 will..."

Rudy said,
Personally I think it shows desperation

Why? The lumia's look better, are probably made better (judging by HTCs track record as of late) and Nokia doesn't forget about it's customers a month after the phone's release date. And let's not forget about the lumia's new screen and camera (though that's left to be seen).

While HTC has forgotten about the people who bought their Radar, Titan, Titan 2 phones, Nokia continues to release exclusive apps (counters, Bluetooth file transfer, contacts share, camera extras etc etc).

-Razorfold said,

Why? The lumia's look better, are probably made better (judging by HTCs track record as of late) and Nokia doesn't forget about it's customers a month after the phone's release date. And let's not forget about the lumia's new screen and camera (though that's left to be seen).

While HTC has forgotten about the people who bought their Radar, Titan, Titan 2 phones, Nokia continues to release exclusive apps (counters, Bluetooth file transfer, contacts share, camera extras etc etc).

As good as Nokia's phones might be, going around shouting "hey, look at me!" every time a competitor announces a device does definitely look desperate.

-Razorfold said,

They released a huge update for it in July, and 4 more before that too.

That's pretty dam good for a smartphone that has less than half a million users.

While 3 updates in a year is great and all (according to Wikipedia), what about the rest of the user experience? They basically released the phone and left it to rot by saying "Here's a phone, we got some updates planned, but you know, we're going with Windows Phone now, so it's a dead end platform. Good luck". Result, very few apps compared to other platforms, and a measly half million sales.

That's abandonment if I ever saw it.

Elop abandoned that phone long before it was ever released to the public. The only reason it even received updates is because the Meego team didn't get laid off when the Symbian lot did.

It's a dying shame though, because it's a great phone, and a great OS too.

They updated all their own apps. And it's not their fault that Meego never took off, hell back in Sept 2011 Intel even abandoned it. Soon after that Nokia followed it too.

It wasn't all Nokia's fault. Meego was created by both Intel and Nokia and no other OEM cared to pick it up, which would mean (like Symbian) it would die a slow death. Going with WP7, Symbian and Meego would be suicidal for Nokia.

GP007 said,
What? Pics or it didn't happen.
You can't pic of that awesome phone, it's too perfect and no picture can render it's fully glory

I actually have a funny feeling MS is behind the colours as it ties into the branding they have built around Win8 and surface. One might wonder if that's why Samsung got no ms love with their win8 launch.

Osiris said,
I actually have a funny feeling MS is behind the colours as it ties into the branding they have built around Win8 and surface. One might wonder if that's why Samsung got no ms love with their win8 launch.

This. Having those multi-colored tiles will be boring if the phone itself is just plain black/white.

pirajoc said,

the ipod is not a phone,and it's not the first mp3 player coming in multiple colors

I wasn't saying the idea originated with Apple, I was saying that Nokia can't complain whenever a company comes along with a rainbow set of products

thealexweb said,

I wasn't saying the idea originated with Apple, I was saying that Nokia can't complain whenever a company comes along with a rainbow set of products

They are all copying Nintendo!

Cyborg_X said,
unnecessary tweet

Why? It's marketing. He's merely stating that the Lumia is more innovative (in his opinion), and he's suggesting people switch to the Lumia range.

My thoughts exactly when I saw the HTC 8X... When have they released an HTC phone with so many color variations before the Lumia showed up? I was largely unimpressed by their announcement. Only thing they got going on is the Beats audio but new Lumias should come with Monster headphones as well. Not sure about the audio chip in the Lumia but as long as it has good enough sound with quality ear buds, I'm good to go...

Obry said,
My thoughts exactly when I saw the HTC 8X... When have they released an HTC phone with so many color variations before the Lumia showed up? I was largely unimpressed by their announcement. Only thing they got going on is the Beats audio but new Lumias should come with Monster headphones as well. Not sure about the audio chip in the Lumia but as long as it has good enough sound with quality ear buds, I'm good to go...
If you want good quality, then you should avoid Beats Audio at all costs. They are totally garbage for the price.

Shyatic said,
If you want good quality, then you should avoid Beats Audio at all costs. They are totally garbage for the price.

I know, I have a pair that I inherited from my boss. It's sitting in my drawer. They're garbage with absurd amount of bass to make them sound cool. I was just noting the Beats branding as being a possible advantage for some on the HTC phones.