Nokia unveils the Lumia 800 Windows Phone

That time has indeed come: Nokia has just unveiled their very first Windows Phone device at Nokia World 2011, under the partnership they entered with Microsoft. It's the Nokia Lumia 800, and it will be available in black, cyan and magenta.

CEO Stephen Elop has boldly stated that the "Lumia is the first real Windows Phone". Below are the known official specifications:

  • Polycarbonate shell available in three colors: black, cyan and magenta
  • 3.7-inch curved ClearBlack AMOLED display at 480 x 800
  • 1.4 GHz Qualcomm MSM8255 single-core processor
  • 512 MB of RAM
  • 8MP rear camera with F2.2 Carl Zeiss lens, flash and 720p video recording
  • 16 GB of internal user storage
  • WiFi b/g/n
  • HSPA 850/900/1900/2100
  • 116.5 x 61.4 x 12.1mm; 142g
  • Price point: 420 euros

Apart from several Windows Phone 7 features, Nokia has shown off Nokia Drive on the 800, exclusive and for free on their Lumia devices. It offers full voice-guided turn-by-turn navigation in a 3D interface. Nokia Music will also be available for the device, with a feature called Mix Radio which streams music from "mixes" based on genres and styles. Mixes can also be downloaded for offline use for free where there is no network connection. Nokia claims this will "solve the mobile music problem".

Finally, ESPN sports hub will be available for Nokia devices, providing sports scores and teams for different sports provided by ESPN. Nokia is making things pinnable, with leagues and teams being pinnable to the start screen. All the announced services are free and only on Nokia.

Image courtesy of Nokia; thanks to Timan for specification tips via IRC

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I'd be more impressed with this if the 700 or 800 actually beat the upcoming WP7 phones from HTC and Samsung. Can you really say that this phone is better than the TITAN? or the Focus S? Hell, I'd wager that even the Radar 4G and Focus Flash are better phones.

phono said,
i have never seen anyone using ff camera...
i have, the ones that video chat, its not so easy with a rear facing camera

Looks nice hopefully it a solid device. Don't care much for dual core.Once the phone runs smooth and is able to run most apps.

Ive been waiting to jump onto the Windows Phone ship, this might just be that reason I needed. Since this phone won't be in the U.S till 2012 does anyone think Nokia will release others besides the 710 and 800 at that time?

wv@gt said,
Ive been waiting to jump onto the Windows Phone ship, this might just be that reason I needed. Since this phone won't be in the U.S till 2012 does anyone think Nokia will release others besides the 710 and 800 at that time?

You would hope so otherwise it'll be a dated phone by then considering the turn around in this sector right now

Here's what the FAQ says on the singlecore CPU (and I agree with this ..)

Right now multi core processors represent little more than marketing bragging rights. What the user cares about is the seamlessness of the experience, how quickly they can switch between apps and how nicely the graphics move. Using a single 1.4GHz processor and leveraging the separate graphical processor and hardware acceleration capabilities of Windows Phone we believe we have created an optimal mobile experience without the negative impact on battery life and the unproven performance experienced with multi core processors in mobiles.

This IMO is very true... While we could argue here for however long we feel like it. Average Joe will see and appreciate exactly what the FAQ answer describes.. As always we should be able to think beyond the small, VERY small part of the intended market for these devices we are.. Just lok around you and see howmany people do _not_ use a SG2 or iPhone.. If you look closely it's the huge majority who is using other phones and this market is, for a company like Nokia, way more important then the (relative) handful of techheads in here who babble and whine for a living..

paulheu said,
Here's what the FAQ says on the singlecore CPU (and I agree with this ..)

This IMO is very true... While we could argue here for however long we feel like it. Average Joe will see and appreciate exactly what the FAQ answer describes.. As always we should be able to think beyond the small, VERY small part of the intended market for these devices we are.. Just lok around you and see howmany people do _not_ use a SG2 or iPhone.. If you look closely it's the huge majority who is using other phones and this market is, for a company like Nokia, way more important then the (relative) handful of techheads in here who babble and whine for a living..

In fairness their FAQ isn't going to tell you any positives for a Dual-Core processor when their hardware doesn't provide it.

Very keen on this. I'm due an upgrade imminently and my carrier, Vodafone, will be stocking this phone... so hopefully I can be an early adopter for this handset!

I've seen adverts for this on TV, only lasting about a second long each, thought it was a WP7 device but wasn't sure...

Rabbit94 said,
so nokia music is replacing zune on the nokia phones? or is it going to be fused together?

If I had to guess they're both going to be available, it would be nice if they could somehow integrate them though.

Is it just me or does that thing look like a drawn out iPod Nano?
Flat top and bottom (and front and back of course), rounded sides, one primary color (red, blue) with a black square with rounded corners on the front for where the screen is...

Also, why doesn't the colouring on the renders match up? On the frontal view of the blue one we see the blue going well around the side, more than halfway where the volume controls are, but on the backside view of it the sides are black, not a hint of the blue even though we see a large part of the curved side...

With the exception of the Fisher Price colour scheme on the shells of these things I like the design. A black one of those might just replace my Omnia 7. A better designed and slimmer keyboarded WP7 would also be sweet.

x core is mostly marketing hype as is xMP camera..

Having dualcore hardware for a windows phone right now is overkill and useless. if only WP
does not support it (nor require it to perform in teh same ballpark as iOS or Android)

The camera easily makes better pictures then most othe phones anyway.. the optics make up for any less mp easy..


But I guess there will always be people who have no clue and just repeat what others say or fall for the markeing hype from other MFs

Amen. This dual core hype is just getting ridiculous. It's a phone for gods sake.. you simply do not need virtually desktop CPU performance in a mobile phone.

Looks nice, but only 5 megapixels, and single core? o_O. Everyone is moving towards dual core now. Nokia, you are late to the WP7 area. No one wants 1 core processors.

Beautiful phone nonetheless.

KomaWeiss said,
Looks nice, but only 5 megapixels, and single core? o_O. Everyone is moving towards dual core now. Nokia, you are late to the WP7 area. No one wants 1 core processors.

Beautiful phone nonetheless.

There aren't, and also cannot be any dual core Windows Phones for the time being. Microsoft don't support it, ergo why they're all single core.

KomaWeiss said,
Looks nice, but only 5 megapixels, and single core? o_O. Everyone is moving towards dual core now. Nokia, you are late to the WP7 area. No one wants 1 core processors.

Beautiful phone nonetheless.


WP doesn't require Dual-Core CPUs, the OS isn't a resource hog as Android.

yowan said,

WP doesn't require Dual-Core CPUs, the OS isn't a resource hog as Android.

So, you're saying windows has a better scheduler than linux? when did that happen?!

pocaracas said,

So, you're saying windows has a better scheduler than linux? when did that happen?!

If anything he says that the scheduler of the CE-variant used in WP7 has better scheduling than the Linux used in Android…
Let's not forget that CE is a realtime-OS…

yowan said,

WP doesn't require Dual-Core CPUs, the OS isn't a resource hog as Android.

If you're just doing a single process at a time, then a single core is fine, but Android has true multitasking unlike WP7.

WP7 does less, hence it doesn't need the horse power.

Joey S said,

If you're just doing a single process at a time, then a single core is fine, but Android has true multitasking unlike WP7.

WP7 does less, hence it doesn't need the horse power.

You mean it does multiple things smarter instead of just tossing it all in the backbground and hoping the phone holds up in the process, which isn't often the case with many android phones out there.

satus said,
well at least they have AMOLED from Samsung. Without it, people will buy from Samsung.

Nokia actually make their own OLED displays.

paulheu said,
The 800 is way more snappy then the SG2.. it's better looking and oh yes.. does WP7 mango

hehe ... mango.... Android's got ice cream and gingerbread and Frozen yoghurt!
As for the snappyness... the single core will eventually get bogged down, just like single core mobiles with android get.

pocaracas said,

As for the snappyness... the single core will eventually get bogged down, just like single core mobiles with android get.

What do you mean by "eventually"? A phone running WP7 today will run exactly the same 2 years from now. If that's not what you meant, please elaborate.

K.John said,

What do you mean by "eventually"? A phone running WP7 today will run exactly the same 2 years from now. If that's not what you meant, please elaborate.

I mean, just like on an android phone, you end up installing apps and apps and more apps and widgets and stuff. Eventually, you'll multi-task and you'll see a lot of apps running at the same time. Then the OS will get slow and multi-core will sound very reasonable. Of course you can't see this effect on a brand new, stock, demo model... nor on a non-multi-tasking OS, like iOS.

Well, both are different OSes so it is not necessary that the drawback of Android will be in WP7. In fact most WP 7 i have seen are pretty snappy all through unlike Android.

pocaracas said,

I mean, just like on an android phone, you end up installing apps and apps and more apps and widgets and stuff. Eventually, you'll multi-task and you'll see a lot of apps running at the same time. Then the OS will get slow and multi-core will sound very reasonable. Of course you can't see this effect on a brand new, stock, demo model... nor on a non-multi-tasking OS, like iOS.

At first I thought you knew nothing about how Windows Phone (the OS) works... but then I realized you just don't know.

pocaracas said,

I mean, just like on an android phone, you end up installing apps and apps and more apps and widgets and stuff. Eventually, you'll multi-task and you'll see a lot of apps running at the same time. Then the OS will get slow and multi-core will sound very reasonable. Of course you can't see this effect on a brand new, stock, demo model... nor on a non-multi-tasking OS, like iOS.

I figured by now everyone knew that OSes care more about RAM than say CPU power? If the system has enough RAM (doesn't matter how much) then it doesn't need to use the CPU for anything other than launching said apps. If you are running 10 of them and it has enough RAM it can switch between them in a fly, the GPU just has to redraw the active app from RAM.

paulheu said,
420 retail will mean 350 in the shop if not less

It's 420 EUR pre tax, which translate to about £440 with tax in the UK.

paulheu said,
420 retail will mean 350 in the shop if not less

Could be even less depending on the package sold with it. I bet you'll be able to buy it for 300 even.

paulheu said,
420 retail will mean 350 in the shop if not less

sim free SGS2: for £400GBP ~460€ on amazon uk.
You can even get it for free, if you're willing to pay t-mobile £30 per month.

pocaracas said,

sim free SGS2: for £400GBP ~460€ on amazon uk.
You can even get it for free, if you're willing to pay t-mobile £30 per month.

Amazon likes to take a hit and sells things for less, no ones to say you won't be able to find a Lumia 800 for even less on there in Nov. Besides the GSGII has been out for how long? Since i'm sure it sells well they've lower the price, only natural.

paulheu said,
Free?? you pay full price in 24 months.. this 'free with 24 month contract' is still the biggest b*ll ever
Consider the case where you already talk a lot on the phone and spend about £30 per month just talking or browsing the web. If you're such a person, you'd actually get the phone for free!
I'm not such a person... I use only about 15€ over the course of 3 months. I'm a top-up guy and, for me, these phones are very expensive. That's why I have an LG P500, single core 600MHz, 3Mpix camera, and I'm happy with it. Yes it's dead slow, sometimes... other times, it's fast. Depends on what you're doing and on what it's doing in the background.

pocaracas said,

sim free SGS2: for £400GBP ~460€ on amazon uk.

I paid 399€ (VAT 21% included) for my Galaxy S2 two weeks ago. I thought and I stil think it's a good deal, even with the Galaxy Nexus on his way out to the retailers.

420€ and only single core, 3.7"??
SGS2 is 450€ and has 1.2GHz dual-core, 4.3" screen, 8MPix camera for 1080p recording (of course it does HD playback)...
How can nokia expect to compete??

pocaracas said,
420€ and only single core, 3.7"??
SGS2 is 450€ and has 1.2GHz dual-core, 4.3" screen, 8MPix camera for 1080p recording (of course it does HD playback)...
How can nokia expect to compete??

camera is a lot better in the lumia, stop comparing MP, it means nothing. The build quality of the Lumia looks substantially better than the SG too.

the better twin said,

camera is a lot better in the lumia, stop comparing MP, it means nothing. The build quality of the Lumia looks substantially better than the SG too.

crappy micro lenses... anything above 3MPix is just publicity. I don't care if they call it carl zeiss or leika or just chinese plastic... they're all the same: crap.
Build quality for a nokia better than for a samsung? I doubt it, but can only tell when holding both.

pocaracas said,
420€ and only single core, 3.7"??
SGS2 is 450€ and has 1.2GHz dual-core, 4.3" screen, 8MPix camera for 1080p recording (of course it does HD playback)...
How can nokia expect to compete??

Jeeee, I dunno, does Samsung offer free services like Nokia just demoed out of the box?

OH and yeah, where the heck did you see the GSGII unlocked retail for 450€ anyways? A quick search at one of the bigger electronics shops has the GSG2 in black and white for 600 with tax, are you not counting VAT and stuff?

pocaracas said,

crappy micro lenses... anything above 3MPix is just publicity. I don't care if they call it carl zeiss or leika or just chinese plastic... they're all the same: crap.
Build quality for a nokia better than for a samsung? I doubt it, but can only tell when holding both.

you can't be more wrong about the cameras on these phones nowadays.
sometimes they are even better than the highend compact point and shoots
http://www.pcworld.com/article...s_vs_the_android_elite.html

the better twin said,
Beautiful phone and only 420 euros? Thought it would be a lot more than that. Good price. Definately my next phone.

Yeah, Nokia just undercut lots of other phones with, IMO solid hardware specs. Just to compare, my LG Optimus 7 cost me 500 euros for 16GB and the same screen size etc.

MFH said,
How does ClearBlack AMOLED compare to [HD] S-AMOLED[+]?

I suppose it's about how the screen looks when it's off as well, can you tell where the bezel ends and the screen starts with your S-AMOLED?

MFH said,
How does ClearBlack AMOLED compare to [HD] S-AMOLED[+]?

You can read the Nokia N9 review here to get the idea, since they have the same display: http://www.engadget.com/2011/10/22/nokia-n9-review/

Curved Gorilla glass flows into the bezel like liquid spilling onto a flat surface. The 3.9-inch FWVGA (854x480) ClearBlack AMOLED display is phenomenal, rivaling Samsung's Super AMOLED -- text and graphics just appear to float on the panel, further refining the experience.

~Johnny said,

There's no US at all this year.

FAIL. Yeah Windows Phone 7 is not going to take off anytime soon like this in the US.

Tech Star said,

FAIL. Yeah Windows Phone 7 is not going to take off anytime soon like this in the US.

*shrugs* Samsung and HTC are putting out better specced phones in the US than Nokia is doing over here. All it really needs in the US is a unified marketing campaign, which is one of the benefits Nokia will be doing right now be spamming adverts everywhere.

Tech Star said,

FAIL. Yeah Windows Phone 7 is not going to take off anytime soon like this in the US.

The US has new Samsung and HTC phones, if those two also do their part with marketing then WP should do fine in the US even without Nokia for a few months. They did say early/start of 2012, I expect new Nokia WP phones and US release around CES 2012 in January.

Tech Star said,

FAIL. Yeah Windows Phone 7 is not going to take off anytime soon like this in the US.

Nokia are a vastly more prominent manufacturer in Europe and a lot of the rest of the world. The US has to wait because, to Nokia, they're a minor market share country, and it's more important to them to put their best foot forward.

I agree that unless I can get it on Sprint for $200 with a contract, I won't be buying a Windows Phone anytime soon. The availability of Windows Phones and somewhat dated hardware is what is hurting them the most. Yay the phone is out but unless it is offered for $200 on US carriers, then it means nothing to me.

trumphil said,
Could be awesome, but wait, no microsd slot?
With 16GB already that's enough for a large number of phone buyers, but I also expect something like a 810 in a few months which will come with 32GB.

trumphil said,
Could be awesome, but wait, no microsd slot?

It's no different than an iPhone in that regard... you just get a fixed amount of memory.

thealexweb said,
This guy has been taking lessons from ballmer on his presentation skills xD

They're jumping around shouting "Windows Phone! Windows Phone! Windows Phone!" ?