Obama wants an Internet ID for all Americans

The Obama administration is planning on handing over power to the U.S. Commerce department in a new effort to increase security on the Internet. The idea is to create an "identity ecosystem" for the Internet, while the government says this is not a "National ID Card" it does appear to be very similar but restricted only to Internet activities.

According to CBSnews.com, "We are not talking about a national ID card, we are not talking about a government-controlled system. What we are talking about is enhancing online security and privacy; reducing and perhaps even eliminating the need to memorize a dozen passwords, through creation and use of more trusted digital identities." Surely the top complaint of Internet users right now is that they forgot their passwords and would like the government to fix this problem.

While all the details are not yet set in stone, nor have they been passed into law, it seems like the Obama administration wants tighter control and easier access to track down individuals on the Internet. But CBS does report that "Schmidt stressed today that anonymity and pseudonymity will remain possible on the Internet. 'I don't have to get a credential if I don't want to,' and that there's no chance that 'a centralized database will emerge,' from this movement".

How the Internet will react to such a mandate is still unknown and how it will play into being anonymous online is still up in the air. The only thing for certain is that the government wants to be able to track your online activities with greater ease.   

 

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It's make me laugh to see just how brainwashed some liberals are. A dem says we should do this so it's a great idea. If Bush had come out and said the exact same thing then all the libs would be up in arms over privacy invasion etc.
A bad idea is just simply a bad idea, no matter what politics you have, and this is certainly a bad idea.

Hackersoft MS MVP said,
It's make me laugh to see just how brainwashed some liberals are. A dem says we should do this so it's a great idea. If Bush had come out and said the exact same thing then all the libs would be up in arms over privacy invasion etc.
A bad idea is just simply a bad idea, no matter what politics you have, and this is certainly a bad idea.

+1

Where are the pro-civil liberties liberals from the Bush years?

My opinion is that our [USA] Federal Government should be in charge of only 2 things...National defense and Foreign policy. Leave the rest up to States. Then you'll never have to worry about pathetic junk like this.

Considering how stolen identity (and recovering) is at the moment, I can see hackers stealing Internet Id's then selling them. Then law enforcement coming to your door for activities you didn't comment.
No Thank You.

It will never make the internet more secure, it'll only make it less secure. Someone will hack it and get their hands on 300 million IDs, good luck cleaning that mess up!

In the Netherlands they created a centralized digital ID system for the public transit system. 1,5 Years in and still sucks. Half of the time it doesn't even work at all, imagine not being able to work online because of a system error.

all americans? i doubt canada, mexico, brazil etc (and all other 36 countries in america) will let him do this....

I think he should say US citizens maybe if thats what he meant.

the scariest part of this would be most users already have at least one compromised account, now they only need to have one compromised account to lose everything. sounds really stupid to me.

Authorities are going to ruin the whole idea of the internet... I wouldn't be surprised if in the future the internet will be just like cable tv.. Pay $5 extra a month and you'll get streaming video, like youtube and stuff.. "Mini package" For Only $2 a month you get regular restricted internet access with facebook & google search but streaming video will be blocked.

In the end I think it's all about money... They don't care about tracking what people are doing on the net but they are trying to find new ways to charge people because they know we can't live without the internet nowadays.

...and btw about the cable tv stuff, I was just trying to be sarcastic in case you didn't get it

It kinda reminds me of when caller ID was introduced back in the 90's. I mean...yeah...you could trace a phone call but they had to remain on the line for awhile. Once caller ID came out..that all changed. Now you have GPS in cellphones that can track where you are when you call. And now with the internet...the i.p. address is not good enough. Now they want to make you have a unique ID on the internet.

Only thing I don't like about that is...as far as privacy issues go..it's going to make it a lot easier for spammers and hackers to find out where you are and who you are...and even if you change email addressess to get rid of the spammers...you can't change your internet ID...which means...changing your email means nothing...the spammers will still find you.

Plus the fact..once again...government (big brother) will be watching every website you visit...every chat you have with someone...is there any privacy anymore?

Something like this will never happen in the EU, at least not in Sweden. Peoples integrity on the internet is high priority over here.

This really isn't an OBAMA thing. Obama isn't smart enough to think of this on his own. SO the real question here is what group has his ear.
I agree definately a waste of tax payers money. Someone will figure out how to spoof my ID and set me up for a cyber crime...

I see a rebound for the US Postal System real soon

But CBS does report that "Schmidt stressed today that anonymity and pseudonymity will remain possible on the Internet. 'I don't have to get a credential if I don't want to,' and that there's no chance that 'a centralized database will emerge,' from this movement".

/tinfoil hat on

" and that there's no chance that 'a publically known centralized database will emerge,' from this movement". "

Oh hi there from Estonia. Yeah, we were the first country in the world to implement a smart-card based national ID card. Guess what, it's incredibly secure and lets you log on to pretty much anything that needs proper security. And it's based on open standards and private/public key cryptography with relatively short lived certs and revocation lists.

For those of you who don't know what this means: the government has absolutely no way of knowing where I log in and what I do unless it's an actual public service, yet it's secure.

I can use it to auth for my personal bank account, digitally sign any document, vote in the local elections from home, auth myself for the local tech "ebay" etc. **** is so ****ing cash, what the hell are you guys being paranoid about?

j005u said,
Oh hi there from Estonia. Yeah, we were the first country in the world to implement a smart-card based national ID card. Guess what, it's incredibly secure and lets you log on to pretty much anything that needs proper security. And it's based on open standards and private/public key cryptography with relatively short lived certs and revocation lists.

For those of you who don't know what this means: the government has absolutely no way of knowing where I log in and what I do unless it's an actual public service, yet it's secure.

I can use it to auth for my personal bank account, digitally sign any document, vote in the local elections from home, auth myself for the local tech "ebay" etc. **** is so ****ing cash, what the hell are you guys being paranoid about?

Estonia isn't really full of people intent on cracking, breaking and exposing such a thing just because they can so certainly isn't a good idea. Just need to look at what electronic voting machines done in the US as an example.

99% of people who are not for this are most likely pirating torrents! im down for this, if it means better security online for me and my family then why not! IF your not doing anything bad then what are your trying to hide!

lflashl said,
99% of people who are not for this are most likely pirating torrents! im down for this, if it means better security online for me and my family then why not! IF your not doing anything bad then what are your trying to hide!

You're absolutely right, I am glad to let the government know my political leanings, how I voted, what my thoughts are on a bill. However I want it on MY terms...not theirs.

There was one regime that gave the people gun control, censorship, openness, and jobs, all like they asked for. However it didn't work out well for the people who didn't agree. Be careful what you wish for.

This will in NO way make you or your family safer...did the patriot act make you safer, how about seat belt laws, laws on murder, theft of goods, identity theft, etc? No because there are people who will ignore the rules and people who will hack it and sell that to the people ignoring the rules.

Wow is this scary... Yeah, I trust the government with this ... And I am not of the tin foil hat type generally, but given the steps taken by this administration in other things, I simply can't trust that they aren't doing something shady in the guise of doing something for us... It seems to be his MO...

''identity ecosystem'' sounds like communism to me.

I thought U.S.A. didn't do communism.

Obama is all but gone anyway, he won't last another term.

leesmithg said,
''identity ecosystem'' sounds like communism to me.


It is not communism, it is fascism, same poop, different name.

I just thought, and how many people are going to use their default password...? As a login. Probably millions of them. Again, a waste of tax payers money.

Why bother hackers will soon find away around it within the first week of trials and launching. Waste of American tax payers money.

Jonessie said,
Why bother hackers will soon find away around it within the first week of trials and launching. Waste of American tax payers money.

Exactly. This is a waste of time, money, and dumps on our right to privacy.

"Surely the top complaint of Internet users right now is that they forgot their passwords and would like the government to fix this problem."

No, Internet users have other solutions, been using robo form here since summer 2007 and never had a problem.

This is all kinds of scary, but at the same time the idea of actually having some level of identity protection beyond the medieval BS we have now is interesting.

This is incredibly ridiculous. Nothing like "Big Brother" watching over every dang thing we do. I can't see how they could even legally do this.

lets Give away more rights. Sound good to me. NOT!! They can goto hell I'm tired of my rights being taken away by this F***ing government. We need another revolution. They are going to control everything we do and say before to much longer.

This isn't true. Read up on your sources and you find out that it's only wanted for online retailers.

Which makes a lot of sense.

Why is it that when we have a working, safe, proven, and relatively popular online ID system, OpenID, everyone is enthusiastic, but as soon as the US government announces that they support such a scheme, everyone is against it? It's completely childish. The only difference between the proposal and the OpenID scheme and the one proposed above is that the proposed system requires real credentials as far as I can see, which would basically make it OpenID meets Facebook Connect. I'd be more than happy to sign up for one, as long as it brings me convenience, instead of hassle.

As other people have said, the government isn't doing anything here, they're just supporting things like Facebook Connect and OpenID as single sign-on systems.

Oh yeah, this is just what we need. SS numbers were "suppose" to be secure, they are not. Credit cards, secure, they are not. Why don't we just jump to the chase and bar code some tattoos on everyone so we can have the mark of the beast while we are at it?

OK, so we now have little ID cards (well I don't, the US does ) they "say" its for your security, really its a unique ID to track your every move on the internet. because tracking you with cameras was a privacy invasion they reckon tracking you with ID's isnt

Tis the start of socialism which we dont want. This is the kinda **** that happens in germany where they pay 50% of their pay check to a socialist democracy that hardly does ****. It doesnt matter how much control and how much money they got they will never be able to protect us as they promise because there is always somebody out there pushing the limits and cracking every code the government comes up with to protect/take away our liberties in our consitution. I was once a soldier and we swore to support the constitution and not the president... ever wonder why? Because the more the man adds to the laws the less free we are.

Just gonna say this, if it had been the Bush administration with this horrible idea, all of you supporters would be up in arms instead.

Think about it, it's a bad idea no matter who "came up" with it

z0phi3l said,
Just gonna say this, if it had been the Bush administration with this horrible idea, all of you supporters would be up in arms instead.

Think about it, it's a bad idea no matter who "came up" with it

I agree.

Wait till the Government starts to tag your browsing history onto your Internet ID, and then your ID gets passed onto Corporations.

"Surely the top complaint of Internet users right now is that they forgot their passwords and would like the government to fix this problem"

Really? First I've heard of it!

"What we are talking about is enhancing online security and privacy; reducing and perhaps even eliminating the need to memorize a dozen passwords, through creation and use of more trusted digital identities."

One point of entry, one point of attack, one point of failure.

Idiots.


Something similar has been launched in Germany. I think the new IDs come with a chip on them so you can use the ID as a smartcard. Not a bad idea at all, this would finally put an end to fraudulent orders in ecommerce.

Nexx295 said,
Something similar has been launched in Germany. I think the new IDs come with a chip on them so you can use the ID as a smartcard. Not a bad idea at all, this would finally put an end to fraudulent orders in ecommerce.

actually it would make them worse. if my credit card info gets stolen, i cancel the card. if this gets stolen, whats your option? and this time it would be attached to the government who does a wonderful job of keeping paperwork straight so good luck convincing them to eat the bill like our credit card companies and banks will do.

Well, somehow I have to agree. Even though the ID is PIN-protected, if someone finds out your PIN (which isn't hard) then you're ****ed. The concept is good, but in reality this can turn into a nightmare.

Nexx295 said,
Something similar has been launched in Germany. I think the new IDs come with a chip on them so you can use the ID as a smartcard. Not a bad idea at all, this would finally put an end to fraudulent orders in ecommerce.

Read up what those chips are really for, they're not designed to work that way.
The US sells and tells you everything is in the name of your security. In the end, all they do is take more control over you (as in a really Big Brother).
Granted, this is an opt-in feature, but how long until websites tell you you need one before you can access them? Sooner or later you can't live without it. Imagine doing everything with an ID like that? If someone has access to those logs, can you imagine what that person knows about your life?

He and his Administration can kiss my ass, if I wanted my internet activities monitored I would move to China. That's all this is, they want to control what we do and that been his goal from the start. He wants the government in every aspect of our lives, communist agenda....

Surely Obama has to much time on his hands, when is he going to get around to fullfilling all his election promises, and a national ID for the interent, so what I can have my National internet ID Stolen as well! How about plugging up your National Security leaks first.

Meph said,
I suppose we all would have a unique "internet ID" if we all had our own, static IP addresses. But we don't, because ISP's like to change them all the time... >_>

There's not enough Static IP's to go around, because big companys like to hold on to 1000's of them.

SCRISP said,

There's not enough Static IP's to go around, because big companys like to hold on to 1000's of them.


With IPV6 there are more than enough.

Initially I had thought that this would be a bad thing from the title, but it turns out that it could potentially be far more secure than the standard user name and password combination.

I suppose we all would have a unique "internet ID" if we all had our own, static IP addresses. But we don't, because ISP's like to change them all the time... >_>

Meph said,
I suppose we all would have a unique "internet ID" if we all had our own, static IP addresses. But we don't, because ISP's like to change them all the time... >_>

Yeah, only one person ever uses that IP, and that's the only IP that person ever uses.

TonyLock said,
A hidden way to tax the internet. Are the people dumb enough to fall for this?
Yes. Americans voted for Bush. Twice! So Duh! It's not a hidden way. That's the only true way.

Jebadiah said,
Yes. Americans voted for Bush. Twice! So Duh! It's not a hidden way. That's the only true way.

Please... get over it. Americans voted for Obama to who is much worse than Bush ever was... But you probably don't agree because you watch MSNBC and CNN and only hear half the truth like job growth and health care saving us a bunch of money...

i have been using a static ip for years. they can watch me all they want i am not hiding and only do things that a healthy minded male would do. i like the idea of the government fixing the password issue to. after they fix the broken health care system they should get right on that.

people forget the president is like a cheerleader not a lawmaker

This is real scary, but of course what's not scary lately with the government wanting more control of this and that. YES it does say that; AS OF NOW, it is not required, but you really think it's going to stay like that the way the gov't wants to control more and more of what we do? People should be very cautious...I would rather have to deal with creditors for months on collecting money and info back then POTENTIALLY losing more rights.

Lets not forget what Benjamin Franklin said: "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."

It truly boggles the mind how people comment without reading the source. It's an opt-in program to just manage your online credentials.

It is completely optional.

The_DINGUS said,
Right, that's how they all start.

What exactly is “they”? Tell me how “they” started as optional programs to become mandatory. What percentage of optional programs became mandatory?

giga said,
It truly boggles the mind how people comment without reading the source. It's an opt-in program to just manage your online credentials.

It is completely optional.


To be fair, if said information was originally included in Neowin's original articles these misunderstandings would be more then half as likely to even happen in the first place.

giga said,

What exactly is “they”? Tell me how “they” started as optional programs to become mandatory. What percentage of optional programs became mandatory?

I can give you one example: Social Security (and Social Security Numbers). By the original law, the SSN was not allowed to be used as a method of identification. That worked out really well didn't it?

roadwarrior said,

I can give you one example: Social Security (and Social Security Numbers). By the original law, the SSN was not allowed to be used as a method of identification. That worked out really well didn't it?

Since the USA doesn't have any type of national ID card like most other countries (and it should), the SSN is the next best thing available.

roadwarrior said,

I can give you one example: Social Security (and Social Security Numbers). By the original law, the SSN was not allowed to be used as a method of identification. That worked out really well didn't it?

Contrary to popular belief, not everyone has a SSN and it's not required if you can live without one.

But because there's no other legitimate substitute for it, critical services from government and private institutions pretty much have to rely on it for individual identification. There's no other alternative for taxation purposes.

giga said,

Contrary to popular belief, not everyone has a SSN and it's not required if you can live without one.

But because there's no other legitimate substitute for it, critical services from government and private institutions pretty much have to rely on it for individual identification. There's no other alternative for taxation purposes.

There is always an alternative for taxation purposes. There are so many countries in the world without such numbers to identify people and yet they do fine. For all we know the Internet Id would become the tax Id just like SSNs did because "there is no other alternative for taxation purposes." Ha!

giga said,

Contrary to popular belief, not everyone has a SSN and it's not required if you can live without one.

It is pretty much mandatory if you actually want to participate in society in any way. Try getting a job without one. Hell most hospitals require you to apply for one for your child at birth. And try getting your child registered for school without one. Not going to happen in most places.

As usual the internet media distorts the facts and the people reading get up in arms about something that isn't even true.

I'm not American, and I don't support 99.9% of what the American government does... but the above article reads as though the US wants to track/monitor all US internet users.

What they are ACTUALLY proposing, is an OPTIONAL "OAuth" type system (just like Neowin themselves let you use when you log in) that would be created by private sector companies, but with government-levels of security and auditing to give us a central login to use around the net that is guaranteed safe/secure.

It would be 100% optional, and you could use it alongside your usual nicknames/passwords on sites you don't want this central system to know about.

Think of it as OAuth on steroids.

Of course, you'd know this, if you read the actual article on CNET rather than the CBS/CNN/etc media who hype it up to scare people.

Quote:

Schmidt stressed today that anonymity and pseudonymity will remain possible on the Internet. "I don't have to get a credential, if I don't want to," he said. There's no chance that "a centralized database will emerge," and "we need the private sector to lead the implementation of this," he said.
Jim Dempsey of the Center for Democracy and Technology, who spoke later at the event, said any Internet ID must be created by the private sector--and also voluntary and competitive.
"The government cannot create that identity infrastructure," Dempsey said. "If it tried to, it wouldn't be trusted."

Source: http://news.cnet.com/8301-3192...7800-281.html#ixzz1AZVI8zVc

and, since you don't live in the U.S. you feel the need to tell us how stupid we are if we don't go along with this simply stupid idea. Hmmmmm!, how many times has this happen throughout history. . .think about it.

Sounds like what is actually being proposed is something like Google/Windows Live Accounts but with added security so those are 2 instances of it happening in 'history' where there have been no real issues

Since the ID is completely optional those that consider it 'stupid' simply dont sign up

I'm glad that Callan pointed out how the media have overblown this whole story creating complete FUD (and evidently it worked)

dw2003 said,
Since the ID is completely optional those that consider it 'stupid' simply dont sign up


Everybody would have to pay for it even if they don't use it. Doesn't sound very smart to me considering it will cost 10x more than what it needs to.

Is anyone really surprised by this? Consider how far we've come in the last couple decades. This was inevitable. The internet is a massive part of our culture these days, humanity's that is. It was only a matter of time before this sort of thing happened. Also doesn't surprise me that Obama is pushing for it. He uses technology more than anyone else before him.

At least he didn't suggest we all make FaceBook accounts?

IT Security 101: Do not use the same password for everything. Do NOT store your passwords in one centralized location besides your brain.

apreichner said,
IT Security 101: Do not use the same password for everything. Do NOT store your passwords in one centralized location besides your brain.

+1

apreichner said,
IT Security 101: Do not use the same password for everything. Do NOT store your passwords in one centralized location besides your brain.

I agree with the first part of that statement. However, with well over 100 different passwords the chance that I could remember all (or even most) of them is roughly zero. Luckily there are password managers around. I use Whisper32 - fairly old and probably not the best, but it's worked well enough for me.

This isn't going to go down at all I always get a chuckle when the internet late-comer government types show up with all of their grand schemes to 'reign in' and some how manage the internet in the US. They just don't get it and probably never will.

roadwarrior said,

Huh? Where the **** do you think the internet originated???

I'm talking about those lawmakers that don't even know what IRC is. Go away.

Soulsiphon said,
This isn't going to go down at all I always get a chuckle when the internet late-comer government types show up with all of their grand schemes to 'reign in' and some how manage the internet in the US. They just don't get it and probably never will.

It's better to chime in than not do anything at all.

Educated Idiot said,
Just wait until a hacker gets his hands on one of theirs and they'll change their tune in a heartbeat.

You mean just like how hackers can get people's SSN?

"Surely the top complaint of Internet users right now is that they forgot their passwords and would like the government to fix this problem."

They want the Government to solve stupidity?

necrosis said,
"Surely the top complaint of Internet users right now is that they forgot their passwords and would like the government to fix this problem."

They want the Government to solve stupidity?

That was sarcasm

necrosis said,
"Surely the top complaint of Internet users right now is that they forgot their passwords and would like the government to fix this problem."

They want the Government to solve stupidity?

That's what the government has been attempting to do for the past 223 years? What you think it was the governments fault the people took out more loans than they could afford?

necrosis said,
"Surely the top complaint of Internet users right now is that they forgot their passwords and would like the government to fix this problem."

They want the Government to solve stupidity?


No the govt. is a lot more intelligent than that. That is just a front to sway public opinion in their direction.

I would prefer they quit wasting time on stuff like this that will never pass through a right-wing obstructionist agenda. Remember that whole jobs thing gang?

Soulsiphon said,
I would prefer they quit wasting time on stuff like this that will never pass through a right-wing obstructionist agenda. Remember that whole jobs thing gang?

+1

Soulsiphon said,
I would prefer they quit wasting time on stuff like this that will never pass through a right-wing obstructionist agenda. Remember that whole jobs thing gang?

Right, because the GOP had so much power over the past two years.

Well in Belgium we can all use our ID's as smartcard to log in on some websites, there is just hardly anyone using it. The idea behind it is really good, but it takes a huge amount of websites to adopt the technology to make it work.

Xilo said,
This is just going overboard.

Yup it is. Just like 9/11 helped pass a bunch of laws encroaching human liberties in the US, there will be another such incident which will get stupid Americans to vote for this Internet ID ****.

Jebadiah said,

Yup it is. Just like 9/11 helped pass a bunch of laws encroaching human liberties in the US, there will be another such incident which will get stupid Americans to vote for this Internet ID ****.

+1

Jebadiah said,

Yup it is. Just like 9/11 helped pass a bunch of laws encroaching human liberties in the US, there will be another such incident which will get stupid Americans to vote for this Internet ID ****.

We already have this system in place, it's called Xbox Live...

Not that I support either, does it really change your day to day life? No, it doesn't. Who cares if they are tapping your phone line when all they are going to get is you talking dirty to your significant other...

On a less serious note, I want $10 tickets handed out to all flamers.

I'm a big proponent of Privacy as much as any other person, but this is something that needs to be done!

We need to pull identity verification into the 21st century if we're going to protect against Identity Theft.

Frazell Thomas said,
I'm a big proponent of Privacy as much as any other person, but this is something that needs to be done!

We need to pull identity verification into the 21st century if we're going to protect against Identity Theft.

I think forcing universality online is a bad thing (they say it's going to be optional, but how long will that last?). Even with heavy encryption and unique keys, it's never impossible to break said security. Plus, tinfoil hat logic would lead me to point fingers at the government having some sort of backdoor access to these 'digital passports' for profiling and 'law enforcement' purposes.

Frazell Thomas said,
I'm a big proponent of Privacy as much as any other person, but this is something that needs to be done!

We need to pull identity verification into the 21st century if we're going to protect against Identity Theft.


I agree, we need more protection from internet predators, specially vulnerable people that dont know well the internet.

Quattrone said,

I agree, we need more protection from internet predators, specially vulnerable people that dont know well the internet.

Yes but what will having Americans having a ID if rouge countrys don't ?
Good luck forcing China, Indonesia, Iran, Turkey....etc to get ID's for every person on the net....

and how would they work for net cafes and kiosks in airports, shopping centres etc ?

NOT GOING TO WORK........fail

excalpius said,

Regardless of the merits (or lack thereof) of your point, you lose credibility when you can't even use proper grammar when you're calling someone else an "idiot".

His post is a nightmare grammatically as well, so this goes for both of you. 8)

You are right that he starts off on a bad foot by saying "Your an idiot" when it should be "You're an idiot", but I chose to overlook that part. I've got to the point of trying not to be critical of blatant grammatical errors that others or myself make because they are rampant.

excalpius said,

Regardless of the merits (or lack thereof) of your point, you lose credibility when you can't even use proper grammar when you're calling someone else an "idiot".

His post is a nightmare grammatically as well, so this goes for both of you. 8)

You are right that he starts off on a bad foot by saying "Your an idiot" when it should be "You're an idiot", but I chose to overlook that part. I've got to the point of trying not to be critical of blatant grammatical errors that others or myself make because they are rampant.

Baked said,
Yes but what will having Americans having a ID if rouge countrys don't ?
Good luck forcing China, Indonesia, Iran, Turkey....etc to get ID's for every person on the net....

What? All 4 of those countries have mandatory national identification cards. In China, at least, it is necessary to verify one's national ID number in order to use many websites.

The United States is one of the few countries to resist implementing a national ID system, and you should be thankful for that.

(Lumping China, Indonesia and Turkey in the same group as Iran is a bit over-the-top, too.)

Baked said,

Yes but what will having Americans having a ID if rouge countrys don't ?
Good luck forcing China, Indonesia, Iran, Turkey....etc to get ID's for every person on the net....

and how would they work for net cafes and kiosks in airports, shopping centres etc ?

NOT GOING TO WORK........fail


Rouge countries? Is that like... Red China and the former Soviet Union?

Cuppa said,

What? All 4 of those countries have mandatory national identification cards. In China, at least, it is necessary to verify one's national ID number in order to use many websites.

The United States is one of the few countries to resist implementing a national ID system, and you should be thankful for that.

(Lumping China, Indonesia and Turkey in the same group as Iran is a bit over-the-top, too.)

We (the US) already have an unofficial national ID number, The Social Security Number. We need to revamp the ID setup with an eye toward current technoloy.

We need a way to verify an individual's identity that is safe and can be restricted to only the information needed at that time.

It shouldn't be used for everything, and they aren't propsing that...

This is a conversation we need to have and the debate can't be monopolized by conspiracy theories.

JayZJay said,

You are right that he starts off on a bad foot by saying "Your an idiot" when it should be "You're an idiot", but I chose to overlook that part. I've got to the point of trying not to be critical of blatant grammatical errors that others or myself make because they are rampant.

Oh well, my post seems to have been deleted anyway, sorry for my bad grammar and the overall tone of the post, its how I felt and yes, I was rampant.

Frazell Thomas said,

We (the US) already have an unofficial national ID number, The Social Security Number. We need to revamp the ID setup with an eye toward current technoloy.

We need a way to verify an individual's identity that is safe and can be restricted to only the information needed at that time.

It shouldn't be used for everything, and they aren't propsing that...

This is a conversation we need to have and the debate can't be monopolized by conspiracy theories.

Exactly...

We should be having a grown up talk about this and how to move to something similar to a public/private key based identification system so that the number we have is never disclosed, but can be used for credit/banking/etc by processing it with the public key of the financial instituition or company we choose to offer our unique identification.

This way there are no numbers floating around that are easily stolen or disclosed just to get a credit check when we want to purchase DirecTV for example.


People that go all conspiracy about privacy usually have no clue of the ways they let themselves be tracked, and yet when trying to explain there are better ways to do things than a generic SSN makes them foam at the mouth.

I can remember early online credit card transactions and all the fear, yet the same people would go down to pizza hut and hand that same credit card to a 16yr old kid to buy a pizza. Yet they never had a concern or realized it was far less secure to hand their card to a cashier than to use most online transactions where only machine to machine interaction of the transaction occurred.

People didn't realize that once the card leaves their hand, there are a lot of tricks to store the card number, besides the fact that many people are like me and can remember a lot of credit card numbers with just a glance.

So just like our existing SSNs, the less human access or human readability the better.

Caleo said,
Want to dredge up political ****storms?

Append "Obama wants" to anything.

Obama wants Nintendo 3DS battery to last as little as three hours
Obama wants Discussion with Intel engineer about AMD
Obama wants Hotmail outage explained and fixed
Obama wants Portal 2 to feature motion controls

timster said,

Obama wants Nintendo 3DS battery to last as little as three hours
Obama wants Discussion with Intel engineer about AMD
Obama wants Hotmail outage explained and fixed
Obama wants Portal 2 to feature motion controls

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