RIM CEO: We "seriously" looked into using Android

Research in Motion made a lot of folks, particularly financial analysts, unhappy a few weeks ago when it announced it would not launch its Blackberry 10 operating system until the first quarter of 2013. But could have RIM decided to just do away with OS development altogether and use a third party system for its smartphones?

That appears to have been brought up as a real possibility, at least at one point. In a new interview with The Telegraph, RIM CEO Thorsten Heins admits to have considered using Google's Android OS, stating, "We looked at it seriously ..."

In the end, RIM decided to stick with its Blackberry 10 OS plans for its future smartphones, with Heins stating, "We took the conscious decision not to go Android. If you look at other suppliers’ ability to differentiate, there’s very little wiggle room." He also hinted that Blackberry owners are a different breed that those who buy other smartphone products. Heins said:

Games, media, we have to be good at it but we have to support those guys who are ahead of the game. Very little time to consume and enjoy content – if you stay true to that purpose you have to build on that basis. And if we want to serve that segment we can’t do it on a me-too approach.

The BBM messaging service is still highly popular and there has been some talk about RIM opening up that service to other non-Blackberry smartphones. Heins states in the interview, "We’re running certain assessments around it but right now the focus has to be focus on BB10 and getting it out there. But look at the subscriber base. Don’t abandon them. We will be one of the future mobile ecosystems."

Source: The Telegraph

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I second QNX is better then android/linux..... When QNX made a desktop OS it was tons faster and more advanced then anything linux has put out since.... I wish some company would try to use haiku (open source beos clone) to build a tablet or phone with

togermano said,
I second QNX is better then android/linux..... When QNX made a desktop OS it was tons faster and more advanced then anything linux has put out since.... I wish some company would try to use haiku (open source beos clone) to build a tablet or phone with

QNX is very good design - incredibly poor implementation and even worse adoption. Nobody seems to care about the OS or how insecure it is - they want games, movies, high-profile apps 24/7.

Android, unlike QNX is completely insecure. I think BB chose wisely if they want to be in the enterprise sector. With iOS and Android having really fast hardware behind them - BB will never win now in retail/end user adoption.

Nothing blackberry released so far has been publically compromised. can't say the same for android or even iOS.

RIM has the critical decision to make--focus on business and content-creation oriented tasks, or...focus on consumer and content-consumption tasks, i.e., games, e-mail, surf Internet. RIM chose the former (and wise choice). Consumers can adapt to business oriented OSs, but the reverse rarely holds true.
Co-incidentally, Microsoft faced the same dilemma with its Windows-8 OS. Regrettably, it chose to make the OS consumer oriented.

TsarNikky said,
RIM has the critical decision to make--focus on business and content-creation oriented tasks, or...focus on consumer and content-consumption tasks, i.e., games, e-mail, surf Internet. RIM chose the former (and wise choice). Consumers can adapt to business oriented OSs, but the reverse rarely holds true.
Co-incidentally, Microsoft faced the same dilemma with its Windows-8 OS. Regrettably, it chose to make the OS consumer oriented.

If I was RIM instead of making 5-6 different models I would make 2. One with a physical keyboard like the Bold which would satisfy the business users and the other a pure touch screen device. Focus on making 2 great phones vs. 5-6 mediocre phones.

I'm afraid they are already on the slippery slope. While there is talk of bankruptcy, customers whose contracts are coming up for renewal are looking at other solutions now, ours included. No-one is going to make a big investment in BES if its future cannot be guaranteed.

By going android RIM couldn't have been any worse off than they already are, but in the end they would have just been 1 more android handset maker.

Handset makers that keep adopting android is like having sex with the same person over and over again eventually it's nice to have another choice!

It's also called Y.A.A.H.M

If RIM is going die, they should do so with dignity.

Android feels like a cop out.

Edited by warwagon, Aug 4 2012, 4:59am :

The Android bubble has burst and the only OEM that didn't go pop with it is Samsung. RIM might of made decent money by adopting Android but I doubt it would be enough to keep the doors open.

Just because BES can control everything and can see everything on the phone, it doesn't mean it still has to with Android. The only reason why I am still using my 9700 is because there is nothing better or even close to it when it comes to managing my e-mails.
Do you think I care with BES admin can or cannot do? It is non of my business, and if Blackberry uses android and runs "BES e-mail client" on it, that's all needed, rest of the capability of BES is not needed.

The ONLY reason RIM chose QNX is that QNX HQ was located just down the street from them. I kid you not.

They apparently thought there was some Canadian "synergy" in this coincidence and never bothered to properly research how horribly mismanaged QNX had become in recent years.

The pinheads who own/run that company had lost their key multimedia programming talent a couple of YEARS earlier and so were never going to be able to accomplish what RIM needed.

Android while a nice OS it isn't polished like BBOS. I despise iOS, Android still has ways to go, no experience with WP.

QNX is a lot safer and heck of a lot more advanced than Android. RIM needs a partner in the auto sector as well which is where QNX has been for a while as well and get integration with your BB products and your car system.

RIM isn't as bad of spot as NOK. RIM is big in Asia. What they need to focus on is better hardware. Bring out an ultra consumer phone to top the Bold, maybe a Carl Zeiss lens 10 MP camera with optical zoom, dual core phone with AMOLED. I'm sure since QNX has been out a while it could probably scale to quad core and a great speakers for the audiophile

FMH said,
If they had to choose a non-BBOS operating system, WP8 would make much more sense.

Yes, because that's working so well for Nokia...

Android is not the savoir Its only the savoir for Samsung. Every other company is really not doing that great. Look at HTC which is not doing that great. Nokia and both RIM rejected android for a reason.

Melfster said,
Android is not the savoir Its only the savoir for Samsung. Every other company is really not doing that great. Look at HTC which is not doing that great. Nokia and both RIM rejected android for a reason.

It's worth pointing out Nokia and RIM are in a 'worse' position than any Android OEM xD

thealexweb said,

It's worth pointing out Nokia and RIM are in a 'worse' position than any Android OEM xD

Not really HTC LG, and Sony are really hurting. I am sure one of those companies will also get out the phone business.

Melfster said,

Not really HTC LG, and Sony are really hurting. I am sure one of those companies will also get out the phone business.

Those companies have issues yes, but Nokia is a ticking timebomb with has fast its cash reserves are falling and RIM will enter a similar position too soon and they don't have MS bailouts to fall back on.

thealexweb said,

Those companies have issues yes, but Nokia is a ticking timebomb with has fast its cash reserves are falling and RIM will enter a similar position too soon and they don't have MS bailouts to fall back on.

So how is Nokia in a worse position ? They have a big backer. RIM does not

TechJunkie81 said,

So how is Nokia in a worse position ? They have a big backer. RIM does not

I'm not sure about this but last time I checked RIM was still profitable and Nokia wasn't.

Oh, I don't think that releasing tidbits like this on an almost daily or weekly basis is a good idea.
Reminds people constantly how much of a borderline bankrupt company they are.

That's not exactly a good sales strategy and if they really want to get people believing in them again, they should start making contracts for app releases for BB10 now and tell THAT to everyone, so people know their crucial apps will be there.
Next step: never let management pull crap like that again and give devs all the creative room they want.
Be innovative big time (comes from little / freely thought out ideas, mostly not from management) - else: bye bye...

It'd be a shame to see BB and RIM go the way of the dodo, back in the day before iPhone I considered getting one, I actually like some of what they put out and what BB10 will offer, so just for tinkering's sake and for competition I want them to survive.
Let alone it's always bad to have people use their platform they do daily work on.

GS:mac

RIP RIM. Android would have actually saved them. Put a custom BB skin on it and port BBM over. This could have been huge. Oh well.

That would have been the easiest and safest route to travel. Although for enterprise user, it would be quite different. Instead of using BES, they would have to use active sync instead.

What if they made their own email app that would utilize the BES server? You can totally customize Android as you wish.

2xSilverKnight said,
That would have been the easiest and safest route to travel. Although for enterprise user, it would be quite different. Instead of using BES, they would have to use active sync instead.

daz411 said,
RIP RIM. Android would have actually saved them. Put a custom BB skin on it and port BBM over. This could have been huge. Oh well.

Possibly, then again I think it's cool to have another mobile OS to keep things innovative and competing.

Tough times for RIM, I hope from hereon they are luckier.

GS:mac

daz411 said,
What if they made their own email app that would utilize the BES server? You can totally customize Android as you wish.

I'm pretty sure they can't do that. When you activate a device on a BES server, it's way more than just email client. I have admin BAS access for a big company in Canada (can't really mention the company), there are so many things you can do and see remotely with the blackberry administration service. It integrates with the OS.

daz411 said,
RIP RIM. Android would have actually saved them. Put a custom BB skin on it and port BBM over. This could have been huge. Oh well.

if companies like HTC that helped create android are failing I don't think it would of helped RIM at all..

Lachlan said,

if companies like HTC that helped create android are failing I don't think it would of helped RIM at all..

I don't think failing is right term. If you count HTC on Android are failing... You mean HTC is failing all the time even in the Windows Mobile days... LOL

tanjiajun_34 said,
I don't think failing is right term. If you count HTC on Android are failing... You mean HTC is failing all the time even in the Windows Mobile days... LOL

"Despite the launch of the well-received HTC One series earlier in the year, 2012 has been an uneasy year for HTC, with profits declining amid strong competition from Samsung and Apple in the smartphone market."

There's only enough room for one big Android manufacturer. It used to be HTC when they had the Desire, now it is Samsung with their Galaxy range. If Nokia and RIM had both jumped into the Android arena they would have undoubtably gone under - they still might (RIM will), but Nokia still have a chance.

daz411 said,
RIP RIM. Android would have actually saved them.

You have no idea if that actually would be the case.

.Neo said,

You have no idea if that actually would be the case.

RIM needs to stop the bleeding ASAP. They still have a lot of penetration in the enterprise unlike Samsung or Nokia. Clearly sitting back and doing nothing isn't working out to well for them. Take the risk and do something different before the Titanic sinks.