Rumor: Apple to bring iOS to iMac within 60 days?

TechCrunch is reporting a widespread rumor that the iMac may be updated to include iOS within the next 60 days. Word is that it will run a traditional OS X install, and will also allow users to activate "touch screen mode," launching them into iOS.

This makes sense for several reasons. Apple recently changed the name of their "mobile" OS from iPhone OS to iOS, effectively removing the inherent notion that it is strictly a mobile OS. Also, Steve Jobs was recently quoted saying that Apple has no plans to introduce an App Store for OS X, and with iOS on the desktop, they may not need to.

There are also reasons for which this rumor seems rather suspect. Capacitive touchscreens are commonplace in the mobile sector, but producing capacitive touchscreens at 20+ inch sizes is something that has yet to be seen. The economics of producing such large versions may not yet be feasible.

Either way, it is an interesting prospect, and it would be a great way for Apple to test the waters of a simplified touch OS in the desktop space.

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Apple would love to bring AppStore to MacOS X and to make it the only way to get applications for MacOS. They dream of getting 30% cut from applications like Adobe Photoshop or Microsoft Office.

Right now it sounds ridiculous. In two years fanboys will claim it is da sh*t.

it doesn't make sense for ios to imac or other mac devices,it can run on simulator and those sdk with app if not mistaken..so what's the point for bringing?already can use it...and the computer screen for the app is not capable if seeking for good experience..not a smart idea to expand IOS to further device like mac,completly outrageous too be true

djstar8 said,
So does this mean if you just bought an Imac you will be able to make it a touch screen?

No, it lacks the hardware to do it.

I just want to see it crash and burn. Jobs, being the conceited blind man that he is, will unveil it as if it were a creation of the future, when it's nothing more than a modified mobile OS suited for a larger screen on overpriced hardware.

Here's a thought. What if there was a way to mix touch-screen gestures with bamboo-style input devices utilizing something like a proximity detector? You know, like how a wacom stylus can be detected when it's hovering.

If you could calibrate a touch surface next to your keyboard to match the layout of your display, you could possibly train yourself to look at the pointer on the screen and mentally coordinate it with your finger over the surface. This would allow touch gestures on a display of any size, and could completely replace a mouse in basic computing tasks.

Iono, just wondering.

"but producing capacitive touchscreens at 20+ inch sizes is something that has yet to be seen. The economics of producing such large versions may not yet be feasible."

SERIOUSLY? Neowin, you're supposed to be a smart, TECH website. You should know stuff before posting random "facts"

http://www.shopping.hp.com/web...ting_ts_600_Quad_series_615

HP Touchsmart 600 Quad Series - 24" capacitive touchscreen - $1,699
- Intel Core i7 2.8 GHz
- 6 GB RAM
- 1 TB Hard Drive
- 1 GB Video Ram with GeForce GT230M

iMac 21.5" Dual Core - $1,499
- Intel Core 2 Duo 3.06 GHz
- 4 GB RAM
- 1 TB Hard Drive
- 256 MB Video RAM with ATI Radeon HD 4670

The HP Touchsmart has higher specs, and costs only $300 more. How's a 24" capacitive touchscreen expensive? It's just as much as a similar Mac without a touchscreen.

roadwarrior said,
Are you sure it's capacitive? I read through the specs there and can't seem to find that bit of info anywhere.

It's multitouch, capacitive. It reacts to your finger's skin, not random objects (like resistive would).

Doubt its true, but the writing is on the wall at Apple. OS X is a dead man walking. Apple will milk it for as long as they can but updates and going to be few and far between. Apple is 110% focused on iOS. They lost the PC battle horribly, they are trying to change the game, so they can win.

rrode74 said,
Doubt its true, but the writing is on the wall at Apple. OS X is a dead man walking. Apple will milk it for as long as they can but updates and going to be few and far between. Apple is 110% focused on iOS. They lost the PC battle horribly, they are trying to change the game, so they can win.

What?

Comments on these such news articles are always the same... Everyone knows best.

Comments should be disabled.

Lamp0 said,

What?

Comments on these such news articles are always the same... Everyone knows best.

Comments should be disabled.

I don't think he's too far off the mark. Apple already makes more money from their consumer electronics than they do for their laptops and desktops. Although they've had a really good quarter with PC sales, MS outpaced them and it just doesn't seem like they will ever get to 15% marketshare. On the other hand it is possible to grab a much larger percent of the market with their consumer electronics.

I wouldn't be suprised if OSX starts to just drift off to be a development platform for their consumer electronics. Heck, they didn't even feature them at WWDC. Consumer electronics just seems like it is much more likely to bring in more revenue for them.

I'll believe it when I see it. Online tech sites are notorious for posting BS and calling it a rumor in order to cover their bases.

yeah, I love tapping on a screen to type, especially when I have to take a step back to see what I have wrote..

Get real Jobs.. the point of LARGE screens is to sit FAR away from it.. gestures is where its at. take a lesson from Sony and Microsoft.

Ruciz said,
yeah, I love tapping on a screen to type, especially when I have to take a step back to see what I have wrote..

Get real Jobs.. the point of LARGE screens is to sit FAR away from it.. gestures is where its at. take a lesson from Sony and Microsoft.

read the article before typing!

Can't help but feel like touch belongs in handheld computing, be it tablet, PDA/phone, or gaming device. Desktop computing, much like console gaming and television, seems like a better fit for camera-based input. Everything is about minimal effort. Just like someone else pointed out higher up, touchscreen on a desktop doesn't work very well because of ergonomics (on the other hand, Apple is very much NOT an ergo-friendly company, and extremely few iDevices would be recommended for regular extended use). However, camera input could potentially be a great complement to traditional keyboard+mouse.

Unfortunately, they'd probably have to license a few technologies from Microsoft to put something like that together.

Joshie said,
Can't help but feel like touch belongs in handheld computing, be it tablet, PDA/phone, or gaming device. Desktop computing, much like console gaming and television, seems like a better fit for camera-based input. Everything is about minimal effort. Just like someone else pointed out higher up, touchscreen on a desktop doesn't work very well because of ergonomics (on the other hand, Apple is very much NOT an ergo-friendly company, and extremely few iDevices would be recommended for regular extended use). However, camera input could potentially be a great complement to traditional keyboard+mouse.

Unfortunately, they'd probably have to license a few technologies from Microsoft to put something like that together.

ya, camera based input would be clean. Thats what is needed next.

Yes please. Roll it out to consumer desktop products, then in to the portables. I wonder how magic will work for game apps that require accelerometer and gyroscope?

AnthoWin said,
Yes please. Roll it out to consumer desktop products, then in to the portables. I wonder how magic will work for game apps that require accelerometer and gyroscope?

LOL I was wondering the same thing. I would still love to see this happen. I don't really care how impractical, I just want to see iOS running on my dual digitiser hackintosh tablet pc.

I'm sure if Apple had it their way we would see iOS and the CrapStore on all our devices. To think the Nazi's had to burn all the apocryphal books in Germany. Reich Furore Jobs can just delete them from the BookStore and still make 30% on the official cannon. All hail Winni the Pooh, avatar of the new age. Between Apple and Pixar Jobs has all the control over our minds he needs.

aero_glass said,

LOL I was wondering the same thing. I would still love to see this happen. I don't really care how impractical, I just want to see iOS running on my dual digitiser hackintosh tablet pc.

I'm sure if Apple had it their way we would see iOS and the CrapStore on all our devices. To think the Nazi's had to burn all the apocryphal books in Germany. Reich Furore Jobs can just delete them from the BookStore and still make 30% on the official cannon. All hail Winni the Pooh, avatar of the new age. Between Apple and Pixar Jobs has all the control over our minds he needs.

*Führer

if apple pushes iOS to the desktops, kiss a standard OS good bye eventually... you can see it happening, just a way for apple t oget 30% of all software profits on all their products

neufuse said,
if apple pushes iOS to the desktops, kiss a standard OS good bye eventually... you can see it happening, just a way for apple t oget 30% of all software profits on all their products

Frak me. Impossible. I will use nothing but a desktop OS. There are things that will always require a desktop OS.

neufuse said,
if apple pushes iOS to the desktops, kiss a standard OS good bye eventually... you can see it happening, just a way for apple t oget 30% of all software profits on all their products
From the article the impression I get is this "iOS" thing will be an overlay/font end that sits on top of OSX to allow for better operation via a touch screen. For want of a better comparison, think of it more like Media Centre on Windows rather then an entire OS. That is my take, so take with a grain of salt.

Xerxes said,
From the article the impression I get is this "iOS" thing will be an overlay/font end that sits on top of OSX to allow for better operation via a touch screen. For want of a better comparison, think of it more like Media Centre on Windows rather then an entire OS. That is my take, so take with a grain of salt.
That's one way to put it effectively.

I doubt it will be iOS on iMac. It will probably be the iOS Compact Embedded Professional Edition on iMacs, and then other versions for other i-devices.

Oh wait, I'm thinking of Microsoft.

This might work only if they create a new iMac that resembles more a super sized iPad than a desktop. iOS has to function with a touch interface and the way of handling the product must be comfortable enough.

Is not a bad idea if we think that iMacs are for casual users, but they can't just trow it to a product that is meant to be used with Keyboard and Mouse on a Desk. In this case I think a Hybrid between the iOS and the MacOS would be interesting.

While I doubt the rumor, the iMac is due for an update to an industrial design, just like the redesign for the MacBook Pro, iPhone 4, and the Mac mini.

But they had enough trouble getting touch capable screens for the iPad (9.7"). Good luck for a 27" screen in a reasonable price point.

Truth be told though, the iMac is by far the best computer to add touch capabilities too within Apple's line up. With such a big screen, it almost begs to be touched (look at most iMac screens: they're covered in finger prints). I don't have a need for it, nor would it make me want to buy one, but the API additions to the existing Mac API would not be useless.

Now, with all of that said, I absolutely do not want an App Store as the gateway to my computer's software. That's probably where the real goal of this is leading up too. Why not use the App Store if there are iOS related apps (will be the reasoning)? Then, slowly everything will go there regardless of actual applicability. Suddenly no more access to your computer without running Windows or Linux. I hope that this would be the death of Apple because that would likely stop them from doing it.

pickypg said,
While I doubt the rumor, the iMac is due for an update to an industrial design, just like the redesign for the MacBook Pro, iPhone 4, and the Mac mini.

It already has an industrial design.

OK....this is how its going to work. Latest Mac Mini, HDMI, $600, hooked into your big LCD, persistant interent of course.

Now here is the killer part....launch an iPhone/iPad/iPod app which in turn starts iOS on the Mac Mini and BOOM, you are hooked into the whole Apple app store eco system, a whole new world of games....WHICH, I might add, can tap ino the dramatically more powerful hardware of the Mini's CPU and GPU.

So... state of the art bluetooth control, iPhone 4 running custom joypad controller app, latest Mac Mini and its hardware benifits, instant access to the app store, latest games on demand....think about it. All this could be ours within 2 - 3 months.

Also
http://www.macrumors.com/2010/...strike-source-for-mac-os-x/

doug_jnr said,
OK....this is how its going to work. Latest Mac Mini, HDMI, $600, hooked into your big LCD, persistant interent of course.

Now here is the killer part....launch an iPhone/iPad/iPod app which in turn starts iOS on the Mac Mini and BOOM, you are hooked into the whole Apple app store eco system, a whole new world of games....WHICH, I might add, can tap ino the dramatically more powerful hardware of the Mini's CPU and GPU.

So... state of the art bluetooth control, iPhone 4 running custom joypad controller app, latest Mac Mini and its hardware benifits, instant access to the app store, latest games on demand....think about it. All this could be ours within 2 - 3 months.

Also
http://www.macrumors.com/2010/...strike-source-for-mac-os-x/

Of course, this scenario then blows Apples "unified" architecture out the door, making their app developers have to now make their apps adjustable for many different resolutions and hardware specs...... All for just 1 platform, instead of having developers be able to use whatever software they wanted that would make it easier to port said project from device to device.

I cant think where to begin explaining why this is a bad idea.

iOS on a screen with a 1920x1080 resolution, really?

Wanyal said,
I cant think where to begin explaining why this is a bad idea.

iOS on a screen with a 1920x1080 resolution, really?

Not only that, but how would you love your desktop just filled with apps....... wait, we already got that, called shortcuts, and we already put them in folders or something so they don't clutter our desktop..... Nothing about a phone OS has any improvement on a home PC, from any of the phone OS's.

shakey said,

Not only that, but how would you love your desktop just filled with apps....... wait, we already got that, called shortcuts, and we already put them in folders or something so they don't clutter our desktop..... Nothing about a phone OS has any improvement on a home PC, from any of the phone OS's.


Higher profits duh!

shakey said,

Not only that, but how would you love your desktop just filled with apps....... wait, we already got that, called shortcuts, and we already put them in folders or something so they don't clutter our desktop..... Nothing about a phone OS has any improvement on a home PC, from any of the phone OS's.

..other then been designed exclusively for touch. I can't imagine using OSX via a touch screen would be very user friendly, this is an excellent idea that will allow for a much better user experience with a touch screen.

Xerxes said,
..other then been designed exclusively for touch. I can't imagine using OSX via a touch screen would be very user friendly, this is an excellent idea that will allow for a much better user experience with a touch screen.

Who here, on the entirety of Neowin, owns a computer that has a Touch Screen? Err, a Home PC with a Touch Screen, as we all own smart phones almost that could be a "computer" in technical terms.
The mouse and keyboard are the best option until virtual reality and mind melding happens, not to mention the mouse and keyboard providing great comfort to the user, instead of always reaching up to touch your monitor.

Wanyal said,
I cant think where to begin explaining why this is a bad idea.

iOS on a screen with a 1920x1080 resolution, really?

I agree, it seems silly. The fact that iPad runs iOS doesn't really bring the library of iPhone apps to the iPad. I mean it DOES, but they are so crappy to use it isn't worth it. So instead you buy your iPhone app, you buy your iPad app, and now it sounds like you buy your iMac App Store app.

Other than the free app developers, the vast majority of them don't want to make a universal app that will run on all your i-devices. They want to make an app for each resolution and sell it separately to you.

hahaha, poor attempt for Apple to get iOS on more devices. I could see a use for it to test out apps on a bigger/better system so you are not constantly looking at the phone screen...but dont see a use for this. Doesnt matter if its the iOS, Android, or WP7.

Also, these features should be built in to the OS, not having to switch to it.

I highly highly doubt this. If it's an option... alright, could be nice. If it's the only option... I will no longer want a MacBook.

EDIT: Ah dangit I'm an idiot. Didn't read it closely enough. As an addon to OS X, it could work.

Touch Screen desktop computers don't work because of posture, touching the screen for long periods of time just wouldn't be comfortable. You'd still need the keyboard and mouse combo.

Maybe for the odd gimmick but not for regular use.

Chasethebase said,
Touch Screen desktop computers don't work because of posture, touching the screen for long periods of time just wouldn't be comfortable. You'd still need the keyboard and mouse combo.

Maybe for the odd gimmick but not for regular use.


There's an app for that!

Chasethebase said,
Touch Screen desktop computers don't work because of posture, touching the screen for long periods of time just wouldn't be comfortable. You'd still need the keyboard and mouse combo.

Maybe for the odd gimmick but not for regular use.

I get the feeling that the Mac range will become touch enabled... But that this leak maybe pertains to Apple wishing to open an IOS like App store on OSX, that is my gut feeling.

Why does a computer need a app store? wth is up with steve? I always thought the internet was a app store for the computer already... am I missing something?
Also, touch screen... don't the computers need the monitors with touchscreen capabilities first?
I don't see this as a good idea in anyway, at least not yet, and not with what they have released about it.
Also, will this iOS make it impossible for macs to even get flash? lol

shakey said,
Why does a computer need a app store? wth is up with steve? I always thought the internet was a app store for the computer already... am I missing something?
Also, touch screen... don't the computers need the monitors with touchscreen capabilities first?
I don't see this as a good idea in anyway, at least not yet, and not with what they have released about it.
Also, will this iOS make it impossible for macs to even get flash? lol

Did you read?

It says iMacs will ship with Mac OS X and you can use iOS if you want to use an easy touch screen, you don't have to use the iOS though!

Draken said,
whoo!! if true it means we'll a decent touch computer at last

Yeah, right. Apple has a long way to catch up with other all-in-one computers when it comes to touch.

The only issue I can really see with this is how they handle the app development. Yet more screen resolutions would be really strange. Maybe you could have a screen full of multiple iPhone/iPad apps? Like Dashboard but attached to the App Store.

It would probably be most interesting for games. So many iPhone/iPad apps are designed to present lots of information on a small (ish) screen, I don't see them being so useful on a 27" display.

Stetson said,
The only issue I can really see with this is how they handle the app development. Yet more screen resolutions would be really strange. Maybe you could have a screen full of multiple iPhone/iPad apps? Like Dashboard but attached to the App Store.

It would probably be most interesting for games. So many iPhone/iPad apps are designed to present lots of information on a small (ish) screen, I don't see them being so useful on a 27" display.

The App store is on the Internet and its not something new, other companies have completed the same task, EG Steam!