Rumor: Verizon canceled plans to sell Windows Phone device?

Verizon has not been shy in expressing its concerns over Microsoft's Windows Phone plans. Indeed, a Verizon representative said back in December that the company felt that getting LTE support for Windows Phone products was "critical". Now a new rumor claims that Verizon had plans to start selling a Nokia made Windows Phone device earlier in 2012 but those plans have since been shelved.

The Verge reports via unnamed sources that the device itself was code named "Om" but that Verizon's plans to launch the phone changed due to the lack, at least at the time, of LTE support for Windows Phone. Of course, AT&T will likely launch the Lumia 900 later this month with support for its own LTE network.

The article claims that Verizon does have plans to sell a unnamed Windows Phone device when Windows Phone 8, code name Apollo, is launched later in 2012. So far Verizon, the US's biggest wireless phone carrier, has yet to release a Windows Phone product since the HTC Trophy; that device was released along with the original Windows Phone 7 OS back in October 2010. Sprint also has yet to launch a new Windows Phone device since it released the HTC Arrive in March 2011.

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I hate to admit it but IMO Verizon has been smart in their strategy to not go deeper into the Windows Phone Platform for now until it matures. I am sure that they have had more insight to the platform roadmap and the visibility into the ‘windows-8-ification' of Windows Phone and the change in direction coming from Microsoft.

It was said in a comment above that the iPhone is the iPhone and it needs no other compelling reason for a mobile provider to sell it. Given the roadmap and the crystal ball approach, Verizon probably sees that if Windows 8 is a success then Microsoft will likely sell a lot of phones by association. They really can't ignore this.

The Apollo rollout will give Verizon the LTE that they want and let them leap frog over the mango/Tango code base which is a dead end. The phones for myriad of reasons (no marketing, lack of high end devices, etc.) have not been selling in numbers that put Verizon in a position where they have had no choice to invest - again can you say iPhone. Some might say this is a self-fulfilling prophecy but that is for another thread.

I would speculate that they are hedging their bets that this ‘Windows 8' thing might go somewhere and they can get all in then; no harm, no foul. Right now they're invested in Android and iPhone and why should then cannibalize their marketing strategies for a slow burn of windows phone while it gets organized. The decision is probably also influenced by some of the other things that we've seen in the press or in these forums: Failure of the Kin, LTE debate, Microsoft manner in handling updates, etc

They are in the business to make money and like it or not, they may not have seen a compelling case to engage. The cost of the decision - alienating some early adopters who are frustrated with waiting but in the minority (example=me!)

So it should be noted that I am a Verizon customer and recently crossed my 2 year contract with my Windows Mobile phone. I have a decision to make. Verizon trumps everyone in my area for service - hands down. I want a Windows Phone in the worst way and I'm contemplating going to AT&T for the Nokia 900. I can't see myself buying a Trophy only to pay full price on an excellent phone later this year so I can have Apollo. Going to AT&T has its own ramifications. The hassle of switching, the fact that my entire family is in my Verizon plan…. Yes, this sucks. I feel like I'm stuck waiting for what I probably want anyway - Windows-8-ification of the Windows Phone.

both sprint & verizon aren't selling these because they were and still aren't hot selling devices. it has nothing to do with the lack of LTE.

smooth3006 said,
both sprint & verizon aren't selling these because they were and still aren't hot selling devices. it has nothing to do with the lack of LTE.

and they will never become hot selling devices if carriers don't sell them!!!

-1 Verizon, for lack of consumer choices. Seriously, that's why I left you in the first place. AT&T, T-Mobile, Sprint all had really awesome choices for feature phones while you still carried the crappiest ones. I'm steadfast that I made the right decision leaving that ****ty, abusive, network.

Shadrack said,
-1 Verizon, for lack of consumer choices. Seriously, that's why I left you in the first place. AT&T, T-Mobile, Sprint all had really awesome choices for feature phones while you still carried the crappiest ones. I'm steadfast that I made the right decision leaving that ****ty, abusive, network.

-100 Verizon is really dropping the ball here.

Verizon seems to think they will retain their dominance or are trying to 'squeeze' what little they can out of it while it lasts.

LTE and new carrier tower licensing and regulation will destroy the 'expanded' cover Verizon has an advantage in the near future, with all carrier essentially having the same access and the ability for smaller companies to host towers for ATT and other providers in rural areas.

So, what happens if the anaylists are correct, and WP7/WP8 takes off at the middle/end of this year and becomes the primary cellular phone in a couple of years?

Will Verzon come crawling to get access to WP7 phone? Or should Microsoft play 'hard ball' like Verizon is doing and try to keep OEMs from creating selling Verzion versions of the phones? Microsoft cutting off Verzion is unlikely, as the world will yell anti-trust, yet it is ok for Verizon and others to play the same tricks against Microsoft.


The bigger question, is a lot of corporate accounts are in the process of dumping Verizon, and have been over the last few months, with Verizon picking up 'low end' consumers to replace the usage numbers. However it is the corporate customers that make the majority of the money for carriers.

I know of two companies that have between them close to 4 million professional phones in use, that have been with Verizon, for over 10 years.

These contracts are lost and will make a dent in Verizon's longevity, as companies are not fickle about providers, but they do require phone features.

If the HTC Trophy that Verizon offers didn't have GSM/International, I know of another 1 million corporate devices that would have abandoned them before now as well.

Just like Windows on the deskotp, the 'business' functionality and control that WP7 offers is understood outside of corporate environments, and Verizon is almost willing to shoot themselves in the foot.

There are both private and corporate locations in Reno that to this day, do NOT have the HTC Trophy or Windows phone, and have no plans to bring one into their sales floor. The majority of the HTC Trophy phones sold for Verizon are though BestBuy and other more 'savvy' small independent provider stores.

So when Verizon says the product hasn't sold well, they are LYING, as their online sales have keep the product out of stock a large portion of the time, and they don't offer it in local stores nor do they market it.

I think they got caught up in the Android/Droid thing to too fast and too hard, and even in their departments that are screaming that Android is costing them money in support hand over fist, they don't want to hear it. They have the Lucas 'droid' licensing, so why would they want to abandon the product for something that they know will eventually replace it.

Good luck Verizon, you went from a groundbreaking technology company with the first 3G data coverage in San Diego and areas, to a glorified Cricket store, and Cricket gives the customers a better deal and has WP7s coming.

err isn't this old news that verizon wanted to sell windows phones but were going to wait till Apollo for better lte support and timing? Doesn't seem so much a rumor as just some details around past decisions already known.

axebox said,
That Windows Phone OS is seriously underwhelming.

Exactly which is why its customer satisfaction rates and customer reviewes beat the iPHone and all Android devices..

Because is is so 'underwhelming' I guess, uh?


If I knew you in person, I will flip open 20 things my 'cheap' WP7 phone can do that your Android and iPhone cannot, and also 20 things it can do faster related to graphics and games.

Your jealously does not equal 'underwhelming".

thenetavenger said,

Exactly which is why its customer satisfaction rates and customer reviewes beat the iPHone and all Android devices..

Because is is so 'underwhelming' I guess, uh?


If I knew you in person, I will flip open 20 things my 'cheap' WP7 phone can do that your Android and iPhone cannot, and also 20 things it can do faster related to graphics and games.

Your jealously does not equal 'underwhelming".

Why show it. Tell us what you underwhelming device can do that an Android or an iPhone can't do.

Please try not to name propitiatory stuff like Silverlight, Windows Live, etc. Because I can say your phone doesn't do Apple Cloud.

thenetavenger said,

Exactly which is why its customer satisfaction rates and customer reviewes beat the iPHone and all Android devices..

Because is is so 'underwhelming' I guess, uh?


If I knew you in person, I will flip open 20 things my 'cheap' WP7 phone can do that your Android and iPhone cannot, and also 20 things it can do faster related to graphics and games.

Your jealously does not equal 'underwhelming".

And there is an even bigger list of things that an Android and/or iPhone can do that a WP7 phone can't. A big one being, offer phones that actually sell...

UndergroundWire said,

Why show it. Tell us what you underwhelming device can do that an Android or an iPhone can't do.

Please try not to name propitiatory stuff like Silverlight, Windows Live, etc. Because I can say your phone doesn't do Apple Cloud.

Sky drive is 1000 times better than Apples Fail Cloud

thenetavenger said,

Exactly which is why its customer satisfaction rates and customer reviewes beat the iPHone and all Android devices..

Because is is so 'underwhelming' I guess, uh?


If I knew you in person, I will flip open 20 things my 'cheap' WP7 phone can do that your Android and iPhone cannot, and also 20 things it can do faster related to graphics and games.

Your jealously does not equal 'underwhelming".

Exactly. I love how these trolls have to chime in on every Windows Phone story. Threatened perhaps? lol I know that I feel absolutely no need to troll Android or iPhone stories... I guess it's a different class of people...

Astra.Xtreme said,

And there is an even bigger list of things that an Android and/or iPhone can do that a WP7 phone can't. A big one being, offer phones that actually sell...

The Lumia line is selling pretty well, Windows Phone amounted to 30% of HTC's business in the first year, which is pretty solid... All this nonsense about it not selling is just that. And once again you failed to mention something that your phone can actually do. How about run smoothly without lag? Oh wait, that's MY phone...

UndergroundWire said,

Because?

Because the ability to sync music, apps and books is not productive where as syncing documents (word / excel) and power point presentations is. Pictures are the same you take em they sync you share no winner there same with the calendar, except I don't need skydrive for my calendar it syncs to the account just like iOS already does if you use hotmail, gmail or exchange.

And because you'll probably want to fight about music apps and books:
- My music syncs wirelessly when I'm in my home
- Apps are saved to your account so they will all re-download when you get a new phone, no tablet to sync too
- Do that many people use iBooks? I thought everyone used Kindle/Amazon or a Nook

Bertch said,

Because the ability to sync music, apps and books is not productive where as syncing documents (word / excel) and power point presentations is. Pictures are the same you take em they sync you share no winner there same with the calendar, except I don't need skydrive for my calendar it syncs to the account just like iOS already does if you use hotmail, gmail or exchange.

And because you'll probably want to fight about music apps and books:
- My music syncs wirelessly when I'm in my home
- Apps are saved to your account so they will all re-download when you get a new phone, no tablet to sync too
- Do that many people use iBooks? I thought everyone used Kindle/Amazon or a Nook

Google Music syncs my music to my Android device (for free). Apples iCloud has a similar feature for $20/year except you don't have to upload anything, it scans your iTunes library and matches it to it's own catalog.

Android Apps are backed up on your account for different devices and are synced when you erase your device. Apple has a similar feature with their iCloud.

Google Calendar syncs flawlessly on my Android devices same with my iOS device.

Pictures, Documents and other files are synced automatically with DropBox. Yes it is lower storage but guess what, it has the bigger name. That is why my company pays for it and I have 100GB limit now. They also pay for Box.net where I have unlimited bandwidth and space. You see companies CAN'T use SkyDrive because it is not a cross-platform app like DropBox or even Box.net.

I don't know what the statistics are with eReaders but I suspect you are right. Luckily the iOS and Android App of Google Books, Kindle and Nook are stored on the cloud where you can download to your device to read.

So I have yet to see what it is a Windows Phone can do that the competition can't.

I am very happy with my Samsung Focus S with AT&T. ...which I left Verizon to get. Glad to be gone more than ever.

illegaloperation said,
Windows Phone now has LTE. What more do you want, Verizon?

A phone that is a safebet and will fly on shevles, for now that ain't Windows Ph

illegaloperation said,
Windows Phone now has LTE. What more do you want, Verizon?

A phone that is a safebet and will fly on shevles, for now that ain't Windows Ph

thealexweb said,

A phone that is a safebet and will fly on shevles, for now that ain't Windows Ph

It flys off their web site...

The trick to 'fly off shelves' they need to actually carry the WP7 phone in their corporate stores and/or encourage the independantly owned resellers/dealers to carry them too.

In a city of 300,000 people there are two stores that you can walk in and buy a WP7 device, and one of them is BestBuy.

'Self creating prophecy aye?'

thenetavenger said,

It flys off their web site...

The trick to 'fly off shelves' they need to actually carry the WP7 phone in their corporate stores and/or encourage the independantly owned resellers/dealers to carry them too.

In a city of 300,000 people there are two stores that you can walk in and buy a WP7 device, and one of them is BestBuy.

'Self creating prophecy aye?'

All the AT&T stores I walk into in the NYC area have Windows Phones in stock and demo working models. They are not flying off the shelf.

But then again I guess it depends in the city you live in. NYC tends to lean more towards Apple and Android (50/50 Split). Just my observation.

thealexweb said,

A phone that is a safebet and will fly on shevles, for now that ain't Windows Ph


Maybe they should have pushed harder for the Nokia 900 instead of letting AT&T have it just like the Focus.

UndergroundWire said,

All the AT&T stores I walk into in the NYC area have Windows Phones in stock and demo working models. They are not flying off the shelf.

But then again I guess it depends in the city you live in. NYC tends to lean more towards Apple and Android (50/50 Split). Just my observation.

So, because they have them in stock and have displays, that means they're not selling. Some rock solid logic there... LOL I know I always gauge success by their not having displays up...

M_Lyons10 said,

So, because they have them in stock and have displays, that means they're not selling. Some rock solid logic there... LOL I know I always gauge success by their not having displays up...

I act dumb and ask the sales guy if they are selling. They always recommend the iPhone to me.

jasonon said,
wooow get a new phone out there already... two year old phones don't sell very well

Yeah, the only deficiency I see here is Verizon's...

so verizon can push andriod and windows phones around for not being LTE ready, but they don't seem to give a crap that the iPhone isn't... love how that works out

neufuse said,
so verizon can push andriod and windows phones around for not being LTE ready, but they don't seem to give a crap that the iPhone isn't... love how that works out

You won't find many new Android devices on VZW now that aren't LTE capable. Also the iPhone is...well...the iPhone It can do what it wants, including not have LTE.

SharpGreen said,

You won't find many new Android devices on VZW now that aren't LTE capable. Also the iPhone is...well...the iPhone It can do what it wants, including not have LTE.

Didn't Verizon just launched the Samsung Illusion and BlackBerry Curve 9370?

neufuse said,
so verizon can push andriod and windows phones around for not being LTE ready, but they don't seem to give a crap that the iPhone isn't... love how that works out

Apple is always an exception to the rule. If you don't get that, we can't go any further.

Also while we're at it, push-to-talk devices are also the exception since that technology does not work on 4G (yet).