Schmidt: Microsoft is "scared of the success of Android"

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Former Google CEO and now Executive Chairman Eric Schmidt told reporters at a press conference held earlier today that Google is committed to the openness of their Android OS. Schmidt is on tour in South Korea. Schmidt said that Google's purchase of Motorola Mobility “will not violate the openness of Android.” The purchase has raised some questions as to whether or not Google will treat other manufacturers who use Android software in the products equally with their own offerings.

Schmidt also took time to take a potshot at Microsoft. Referring to Microsoft's patent litigations against several smartphone makers, including Samsung. Schmidt said that Microsoft “is not telling the truth on the issue, and they are using tactics to scare people because they are scared of the success of Android.”

Schmidt said that he had decided not to comment on remarks Steve Jobs made to biographer Walter Isaacson after the former's death in early October. “[Steve was a] fantastic human being. Most people would agree that Google is a great innovator, and I would also point out that the Android efforts started before the iPhone efforts.”

According to Jobs, “Google... f***ing ripped off the iPhone, wholesale ripped us off. I will spend my last dying breath if I need to, and I will spend every penny of Apple's $40 billion in the bank, to right this wrong. I'm going to destroy Android, because it's a stolen product.”

Schmidt praised South Korea's internet infrastructure. 90% of households there have broadband access. In the US, that number is closer to 65%. Schmidt urged South Korean President Lee Myung-bak to trim down the country's internet regulations. “It is my view and, I think, Google's view that the regulation of internet in Korea could be more open, more modern.”

Google does not allow South Korean users to post videos on YouTube in protest of a policy that mandates that real names must be used in website sign-ups, although there are no regulations on viewing video. Many South Korean users signup with fake nationalities.

This is the first time Schmidt has spoken to the South Korean President since 2007. He'll be heading to Taiwan next.

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I don't see how Microsoft or Apple should be scared of a company that is making them millions. At this point all I see is company after company paying more money to Microsoft than Google for Android. Why would that scare anybody. In my book that is strategy. Work smart not hard. Google obviously cannot inovate without copying the intellectual property of others. That's why they can't back up any of their phone OEM partners because they just copied what others innovations. They can buy all of the patents they want from Motorola but that isn't innovation its just a patch to cover their ass when they know they did something ethically wrong. Google can hide using the opensource community but many OEM's pretty much like all of us know by now that NOTHING IS FREE. After all the only reason Google is big is becaue of MS and Apple, they would have never become what they are today using Linux as a main platform. I remember when google was suing MS for placing an IE search on the start menu back in the day. Who would've thought that the tables would turn and now they are the ones getting sued left and right. Don't bite the hand the feeds you el Goog.

OK, PLEASE don't kill me for defending Microsoft on this, but somebody's gotta do it Microsoft has made it clear their position; they feel that Google, being late to the game, decided to essentially piece together other people's innovations, and then adding their own stuff to it. To be clear, I'm NOT calling the Android platform bad (I have an Android tablet), I'm simply saying that I think they kind of went into developing Android in the sense "We're gonna make it opensource, so we can pretty much do whatever we want."

If Google loves being open so much - share the search algorithms. Oh that's right do as I say with your stuff not as I do with my own....

I really hope MS wins the lawsuit agains MM.
If only to see the reactions of all the MS bashers here on NeoWin.

Wait... the Goog dumped Blandroid on the market in a move that would have gotten Microsoft a DOJ cease and desist, but they wanna **** and moan because MS is busting their chops about patent infringement? hmmmmm... The real title to this story should be "Google worried about Microsoft suit, tries to pin blame on MS".

Android's success is false and based on stolen code. Google is under attack, and they can not defend themselves because they know they are in the wrong.

What they want to do, is change the law so what they have done is allowed, where as Apple and Microsoft are playing the game within the current system.

Unlike some of the other companies that claim they can't fight Microsoft because it's too expensive, Google has plenty of money, and if they are in fact not violating any patents then fight it, and prove it. At least MS licenses when someone steals intellectual property, instead of vowing to bring you down.

WP7 wins, they make money. Android wins, they make money. Either way, Microsoft are the winners from a business standpoint.

Xerax said,
WP7 wins, they make money. Android wins, they make money. Either way, Microsoft are the winners from a business standpoint.

WP7 makes very little money (basing it on Market Share). Microsoft Wins because Android has been winning.

Xerax said,
WP7 wins, they make money. Android wins, they make money. Either way, Microsoft are the winners from a business standpoint.

Yeah and it's done wonders for their reputation.. oh wait ... If anyone was under the illusion that Microsoft cleaned up its act, they got a wakeup call when these lawsuits started.

Joey S said,

Yeah and it's done wonders for their reputation.. oh wait ... If anyone was under the illusion that Microsoft cleaned up its act, they got a wakeup call when these lawsuits started.

What are you talking about?
Microsoft isn't litigating, they're offering companies an out.... for a price.

“[Steve was a] fantastic human being. Most people would agree that Google is a great innovator, and I would also point out that the Android efforts started before the iPhone efforts.”

Does he know this from being on the board of directors for Apple from '06 to '09?

The early builds of Android paint more of a "we're ripping off"... err umm "efforts similar to" Blackberry picture...then when the iPhone was release it seems that their "efforts" shifted..."coincidentally"

If they believe that Android doe not have patent problems, why don't they give patent protection to manufacturers?

Microsoft gives patent protection with Windows Phone 7.

AtriusNY said,
If they believe that Android doe not have patent problems, why don't they give patent protection to manufacturers?

Microsoft gives patent protection with Windows Phone 7.

They have to HTC.

AtriusNY said,
If they believe that Android doe not have patent problems, why don't they give patent protection to manufacturers?

It's not Android per se, but the Linux kernel (mainly) in Microsoft's case. They went after TomTom as well remember for the same BS patent (FAT). Not to mention Ballmer's frequent threats (read: FUD) against GNU/Linux.

Microsoft's FAT and other related patents have never been actually tested in court. I suspect they'd be invalidated if they did. Microsoft prefers threats and intimidation to risking their hand in open court.

AtriusNY said,

Microsoft gives patent protection with Windows Phone 7.

Because Microsoft is an aggressive patent abuser like Apple, that's why. They patent anything and everything they can regardless of prior art. So they like to think they can crush any opposition, specifically smaller companies like TomTom, HTC, etc. Even Bill Gates himself admitted, if patents were so pervasive back when Microsoft was starting out, the whole computer industry would have ground to a halt.

Joey S said,

It's not Android per se, but the Linux kernel (mainly) in Microsoft's case. They went after TomTom as well remember for the same BS patent (FAT). Not to mention Ballmer's frequent threats (read: FUD) against GNU/Linux.

Nope. Some patents are specific to cell phones. (the patents include the two "FAT" patents, though)

Considering Microsoft get a chunk of the cash from Android sales, I'd say Schmidt was off his head and needs to stop spewing rubbish. Yesterday he was claiming Google didn't have search dominance, now this. What will he come out with next...?

No troll, its called business....if your compititors house is a mess, you can claim a few of his goodies as your own as long as he is willing to pay and right now, they are all paying, soon with motorola becoming a part of google, google will start paying them
The sad part is, google knows it and these frequent comments are to get some public sympathy which obviously the "dont be evil, my ass" company will never get again

Well, I'm looking for tablets running windows 8. If I can get the comfort of android tablets, and still be able to run windows software, off course I would switch.

Well i'd say to a certain degree right - Microsoft gets a cut of the sale of every phone - millions of dollars every year. So if they were to hit 90% marketshare, Microsoft will still be getting tons. Hell definitely not as much as they would if WP was 90% but still not $0.

Joey S said,
That will stop as soon as the MM acquisition is completed.

The patents MS is using belong to them, not MM. MM's patents have nothing to do with this ; the only thing that acquisition will change is that other Android manufacturers won't get sued by MM.

Joey S said,
That will stop as soon as the MM acquisition is completed.

If Motorola couldn't protect itself with it's own patents, how is Google taking over going to do so? The acqusition is just making things worse for Google.

Aethec said,

The patents MS is using belong to them, not MM. MM's patents have nothing to do with this ; the only thing that acquisition will change is that other Android manufacturers won't get sued by MM.

I guess you didn't know that MM has patents covering the Xbox, Windows, WP7, and many other Microsoft products then. If Microsoft continues to extort Android OEM's after the acquisition, Google/MM will just sue those products into oblivion.

Joey S said,

I guess you didn't know that MM has patents covering the Xbox, Windows, WP7, and many other Microsoft products then. If Microsoft continues to extort Android OEM's after the acquisition, Google/MM will just sue those products into oblivion.


okay.................. nice talk but its just fanboy hot air. I'm sure MS is running scared from MM. NOT

Joey S said,

I guess you didn't know that MM has patents covering the Xbox, Windows, WP7, and many other Microsoft products then. If Microsoft continues to extort Android OEM's after the acquisition, Google/MM will just sue those products into oblivion.

Nope. MM only has meaningless "BS patents" that are all invalid.

Microsoft will win because Google are evil communists that hate America.

Joey S said,

I guess you didn't know that MM has patents covering the Xbox, Windows, WP7, and many other Microsoft products then. If Microsoft continues to extort Android OEM's after the acquisition, Google/MM will just sue those products into oblivion.

Or wait for it..WAIT FOR IT...

Microsoft have already licensed those products. Holy mother of god, what? Companies license patents from other companies and not just steal other people's works? What ****ing bull**** is this.

I like how a couple of posts up you were claiming all of Microsoft's patents were BS but now you claim Motorola patents are all perfect and 100% valid. Nice trolling.

Athernar said,

Nope. MM only has meaningless "BS patents" that are all invalid.

Microsoft will win because Google are evil communists that hate America.

LOL.. it's quite funny. Make me laugh.. i genuinely thank you for this.

What I don't get is, why doesn't Google get involved? It's their OS, if they feel that Microsoft is wrongly going after their customers...do something about it?

Microsoft protects WP7 OEMs from lawsuits, Apple does the same (well in Apple's case its just one phone)...Google just doesn't care about it.

And yes I know Android is "free" so anyone can download the code and use it, but if you want to use Google services on your Android phone/tablet (maps, marketplace etc) then you have to pay Google for it.

/- Razorfold said,
What I don't get is, why doesn't Google get involved? It's their OS, if they feel that Microsoft is wrongly going after their customers...do something about it?

They have. Google sold HTC some key patents so it can protect itself against Apple. And the MM acquisition will stop all the Microsoft extortion attempts dead in their tracks.
/- Razorfold said,

Microsoft protects WP7 OEMs from lawsuits

That's never been tested now has it. If Microsoft was facing billions in damages, would they really protect them? Who knows.
/- Razorfold said,

Apple does the same (well in Apple's case its just one phone)...Google just doesn't care about it.

Let's be realistic, Microsoft and Apple are the aggressive patent abusers here.
/- Razorfold said,

And yes I know Android is "free" so anyone can download the code and use it, but if you want to use Google services on your Android phone/tablet (maps, marketplace etc) then you have to pay Google for it.

And? No one is being forced to do that. At least Google doesn't charge $15 just to licence the OS.

Joey S said,

They have. Google sold HTC some key patents so it can protect itself against Apple. And the MM acquisition will stop all the Microsoft extortion attempts dead in their tracks.

That's never been tested now has it. If Microsoft was facing billions in damages, would they really protect them? Who knows.


As I've pointed out to you millions of times, Samsung is 4x the size of Microsoft. They wouldn't be shelling out money every time they sold a device if Microsoft didn't have a case.

And? No one is being forced to do that. At least Google doesn't charge $15 just to licence the OS.

Actually you'll find that it costs OEMs about the same to use the Android since they buy it with Google Maps and the marketplace. Pretty much the same thing if you license WP7.

Joey S said,

They have. Google sold HTC some key patents so it can protect itself against Apple. And the MM acquisition will stop all the Microsoft extortion attempts dead in their tracks.

That's never been tested now has it. If Microsoft was facing billions in damages, would they really protect them? Who knows.

Let's be realistic, Microsoft and Apple are the aggressive patent abusers here.

And? No one is being forced to do that. At least Google doesn't charge $15 just to licence the OS.

Just one ques, why Giants like HTC and samsung paying microsoft if microsoft is wrong? If i steal Google's search engine code and make my own search engine, do you expect google to just sit and smile? they will sue me of course, microsoft is doing same.

/- Razorfold said,

As I've pointed out to you millions of times, Samsung is 4x the size of Microsoft. They wouldn't be shelling out money every time they sold a device if Microsoft didn't have a case.

Actually you'll find that it costs OEMs about the same to use the Android since they buy it with Google Maps and the marketplace. Pretty much the same thing if you license WP7.

Samsung have no choice as Microsoft probably threatened to revoke Samsung's WP7 licence and Windows 7 /Office licences or hike the licences fees.

Lolol yeah ok. So instead Samsung will pay Microsoft millions every month just so they can avoid a "license hike"

I'm sure you think Samsung wouldn't countersue for that either. Seriously do you have a life or do you just exist to troll topics that have Microsoft in them?

Joey S said,

They have. Google sold HTC some key patents so it can protect itself against Apple. And the MM acquisition will stop all the Microsoft extortion attempts dead in their tracks.

This probably only happened because HTC is their largest distributor. And the Moto Mobilty acquisition is not a good more. Since Moto is a pending intity of Google, they no longer have control over their patents and the case can't just be transfered to Google. Google would have to either lose the lawsuit, or file again, which will extend the case even longer.

That's never been tested now has it. If Microsoft was facing billions in damages, would they really protect them? Who knows.

Doesn't matter if it's never been tested. Protection comes with licsensing their OS. So they would have to protect, it's contractual.


Let's be realistic, Microsoft and Apple are the aggressive patent abusers here.

It's not Microsoft's fault that they have so much ground to cover. If Google had done things right, they would have had all this licensing stuff figure out and delt with from the gate.


And? No one is being forced to do that. At least Google doesn't charge $15 just to licence the OS.

While no one is being forced to use Google Apps, but who wants an Android phone without them, espcially the Market?

simrat said,

Just one ques, why Giants like HTC and samsung paying microsoft if microsoft is wrong? If i steal Google's search engine code and make my own search engine, do you expect google to just sit and smile? they will sue me of course, microsoft is doing same.

Samsung has no choice as Microsoft probably threatened to revoke or hike fees for WP7 / Windows /Office licences.

/- Razorfold said,

As I've pointed out to you millions of times, Samsung is 4x the size of Microsoft. They wouldn't be shelling out money every time they sold a device if Microsoft didn't have a case.

Most companies choose to settle even if the patents in question are dubious for one simple fact - risk. Samsung has a lot to lose. And Microsoft relies on this perceived threat to extort. Microsoft's patents will likely be invalidated in court in Motorola/B&N vs Microsoft, so don't worry, you'll get to see first hand what kind of case it has.

/- Razorfold said,

Actually you'll find that it costs OEMs about the same to use the Android since they buy it with Google Maps and the marketplace. Pretty much the same thing if you license WP7.

Source? We know how much it costs OEM's just for the WP OS. Your claims are speculative at best.

Joey S said,

Most companies choose to settle even if the patents in question are dubious for one simple fact - risk. Samsung has a lot to lose. And Microsoft relies on this perceived threat to extort. Microsoft's patents will likely be invalidated in court in Motorola/B&N vs Microsoft, so don't worry, you'll get to see first hand what kind of case it has.

Samsung has even more to lose by not settling with Apple since well they're the largest manufacturer of parts for the iPhone and that's a significant part of their revenue. But yet they're countersuing in like every single country.

And yeah I forgot, you can see into the future. I apologize oh mighty seer, get back under your rock.

Source? We know how much it costs OEM's just for the WP OS. Your claims are speculative at best.

The version of Linux included in Android is not entirely free software, since it contains non-free "binary blobs" (just like Torvalds' version of Linux), some of which are really used in some Android devices. Android platforms use other non-free firmware, too, and non-free libraries. Aside from those, the source code of Android versions 1 and 2, as released by Google, is free software - but this code is insufficient to run the device. Some of the applications that generally come with Android are non-free, too.

Go do some research. It's called google.com

/- Razorfold said,

Samsung has even more to lose by not settling with Apple since well they're the largest manufacturer of parts for the iPhone and that's a significant part of their revenue. But yet they're countersuing in like every single country.

Apple doesn't want to settle. That's the difference. Apple want to ban all imports of Samsung Android devices.
/- Razorfold said,

And yeah I forgot, you can see into the future. I apologize oh mighty seer, get back under your rock.

It doesn't take a genius. Microsoft's FAT patents have already been invalidated once before.
/- Razorfold said,

"The version of Linux included in Android is not entirely free software, since it contains non-free "binary blobs" (just like Torvalds' version of Linux), some of which are really used in some Android devices. Android platforms use other non-free firmware, too, and non-free libraries. Aside from those, the source code of Android versions 1 and 2, as released by Google, is free software - but this code is insufficient to run the device. Some of the applications that generally come with Android are non-free, too."
Go do some research. It's called google.com

That's talking about some drivers. The same applies to Ubuntu, Arch, or any other Linux distro. You can install binary blob proprietary drivers just like in Windows.

I still don't see how that relates to the question I asked. I asked you to provide proof of your claims that the Google apps add up to the same price as a WP7 license. So far you have failed to do that.

Joey S said,

Apple doesn't want to settle. That's the difference. Apple want to ban all imports of Samsung Android devices.

Or maybe the Samsung offer wasn't high enough. Face it, Samsung doesn't have a lot to lose by declining to pay Microsoft. MS has a lot more to lose by canceling their contracts with Samsung.

Which is why you'll find businesses don't really act like children. Apple is suing the hell out of Samsung, but Samsung hasn't canceled all of Apple's contracts over it and Apple is still happily buying millions of parts from them.

So at the end of the day Microsoft isn't going to cancel Samsung's license contracts (even if they could) just because they refused to pay $5 per device sold.

It doesn't take a genius. Microsoft's FAT patents have already been invalidated once before.

I'm pretty sure tons of companies have lost lawsuits, it is a common practice. Whether you like it or not, Microsoft / Nokia / Apple all hold a ton of patents related to smartphones. Nothing is really free in this world.

I still don't see how that relates to the question I asked. I asked you to provide proof of your claims that the Google apps add up to the same price as a WP7 license. So far you have failed to do that.

How about you do the research yourself? Theres been numerous articles about it on Neowin and other sites but if you want further proof, the Android FAQ on google should answer it:

If I am not a manufacturer, how can I get Android Market?

Android Market is only licensed to handset manufacturers shipping devices. For questions about specific cases, contact android-partnerships@google.com.

How can I get access to the Google apps for Android, such as Maps?

The Google apps for Android, such as YouTube, Google Maps and Navigation, Gmail, and so on are Google properties that are not part of Android, and are licensed separately. Contact android-partnerships@google.com for inquiries related to those apps.

http://source.android.com/faqs.html

Joey S said,

They have. Google sold HTC some key patents so it can protect itself against Apple. And the MM acquisition will stop all the Microsoft extortion attempts dead in their tracks.

MM hardware patents(which is what MM has, not a lot of software), is only usefull for google to cross license with other hardware oem's, and since google

(dam iPad) does not make hardware, they are pretty useless or them. Since they have no value against MS' massive software patents portfolio

smooth3006 said,
both apple & microsoft are running scared.

Damn straight. Both will lose out eventually. And the fallout from all their aggressive litigation will hurt them long after the lawsuits have stopped.

Joey S said,

Damn straight. Both will lose out eventually. And the fallout from all their aggressive litigation will hurt them long after the lawsuits have stopped.
Even if this will be true in the future, I sincerely hope it will not only because competition can only be good to make innovation.

Google is already alone in the search business and we all know many companies tried to make search better and better but never been able to be as big as Google. But is Google a perfect product for search? Personally, I think not and hell they are slow to improve their search engine because they are alone or almost alone in that market.

Pink Floyd said,
But is Google a perfect product for search? Personally, I think not and hell they are slow to improve their search engine because they are alone or almost alone in that market.

Slow to improve their search engine??

They change their algorithm roughly 500-600 times a year.