Simple app gives you your 'Start' button back in Windows 8

If you are looking for a 1:1 replacement of the Start Orb/button in Windows 7, turn away now, but if you are looking for a simple application to click to launch the new Start screen, read on.

A post in our forums by user by Alex Appleton highlights two applications that he has created that fix what are some of his, and likely others, biggest annoyances with Windows 8. Unless you have been living under a rock, you know that Windows 8 has removed the Start Orb/button. Alex has created a simple application that launches the new Start screen and by pinning it to your task bar, you can relive to glory days of Windows by having an icon to click to launch the Start screen. Alex states:

While setting up my first RTM install of Windows Server 2012 I thought of a neat trick to get around this.  Basically, I compiled a little executable that launches the start menu.  Then I pinned the executable to my taskbar and dragged it to the bottom left corner.  Voila!  Start menu button is back.

Now, for those of you not wanting to install the app, as a friendly reminder, the easy ways to switch to the Start screen are by pressing the Windows key on the keyboard, cntrl+esc, moving your mouse to the lower left hot-corner, or by pulling up the charms menu to launch the interface.

You can find the download on Alex's Skydrive account with the link below, or head in to the forums to discuss the application in this thread here.

Download: Start button app

Source: Alexappleton.net

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You don't have to use the Charms to swap from Start to Desktop.
If you put the Desktop tile top left on the start screen when you log in just press Enter on your keyboard to go to the desktop, and when you are on the desktop just press the windows key to go back to start.

its faster to press the windows keys anyway,
and why do you need a button? you can just click the corner , its way easier and faster.

I don't get it why "everyone" miss that old Start-menu so much. I embraced the new one pretty quick and I think I handle how it works pretty well now too. It's honestly not THAT different .. it only presents information in another way than the old one did.*

Using hotkeys/keyboard is a big win (if you don't have a touch screen).

i don't get why they dumped this features. it is destined to confuse the masses and be the most criticized part of the OS

Guys this might help you I have been using windows 8 from day one I learned how to use it and its fun if you are a power user just trying hitting the windows + X from any were Modern UI or desktop and tell me what you get just try it

seven222 said,
Guys this might help you I have been using windows 8 from day one I learned how to use it and its fun if you are a power user just trying hitting the windows + X from any were Modern UI or desktop and tell me what you get just try it

not viable if your using your pc with one hand in a dark room
as i do often..

GabotrilHB said,
Oh, finally!! It was too difficult for me to click the bottom left corner. /s

If you would RTFT, you would see that Mr. Appleton had a problem with invoking the start screen in a full screen RDP session, so he came up with a quick solution.

A annoyance I have is that I always put the taskbar on the left side of the screen, and I dont like how the "hot corners" are predefined, if I could swap the top and bottom corners that would be awesome..

WOW
cry baby cheerleaders out in force today.

little reminder fanboys..

If you don't like windows 8 then don't install it no one is forcing you to use it..
(now replace windows 8 with the start menu app/tool)

MDL forums has a user that made a patch that restores the old explorer and kills the metro tile crap how do you guys feel about that ? Let me guess pointless right ?

Must be nice to jam your opinions down everyone throat and sit smugly
with a superiority complex pretending we don't have a chip on our shoulder.
WAIT !
Look you missed a guy commenting.. better go give him a lecture on how he is suppose to use his PC
"Properly"

..get over yourselves

This is pointless.

Now if I could get the same launch capabilities in a small menu for windows 8 that would be great. So far only launchy comes close, all other "start menu" replacements seem to lack the index search capabilities of the original start menu.

I like using the Start button on my keyboard. so much faster.
i'm more interested in a full set of "Metro-style" icons like the one next to the "Start button".

rojorojo said,
I hope Microsoft shuts this down ASAP

why you lose sleep when people don't use Windows 8 according to
YOUR personal guidelines ? Did you pray that people that patched uxtheme.dll on XP
get hit by a car too ?

you people are UNBELIEVABLE !

You Win 8 cheerleaders are really starting to disgust me

You people saying it's stupid needing a start button because it is so much easier just to throw your mouse to the bottom left corner of the screen and click are forgetting that a lot of us have more than one monitor and, in that case, can't just slam the mouse down to the bottom corner without really having to concentrate. In this case, a start button is much easier to click. Just because something might not be easier for your specific environment does not make it so for everyone else's.

jeston said,
You people saying it's stupid needing a start button because it is so much easier just to throw your mouse to the bottom left corner of the screen and click are forgetting that a lot of us have more than one monitor and, in that case, can't just slam the mouse down to the bottom corner without really having to concentrate. In this case, a start button is much easier to click. Just because something might not be easier for your specific environment does not make it so for everyone else's.

So is your Windows key on your keyboard missing/broken too?

briangw said,

So is your Windows key on your keyboard missing/broken too?

Depending on if you have an RDP session full-screen or windowed, the Windows key may or may not work. For example, if you have your RDP session windowed, pressing your Windows key brings up YOUR start menu not the RDP'd computer's start menu. So don't be so quick to bring out the 'just press the key' argument. There are scenarios where you just CAN'T use a key press easily.

briangw said,

So is your Windows key on your keyboard missing/broken too?

What Windows Key?!! I bit mine off in a fit of rage when I chewed on the keyboard as a stress reliever.

briangw said,

So is your Windows key on your keyboard missing/broken too?


Yeah, because God forbid a user could actually navigate their computer quickly and easily using just their mouse. No no, surely everyone WANTS to use their Windows key to open the damned menu. Get your head out of your ass.

jeston said,

Yeah, because God forbid a user could actually navigate their computer quickly and easily using just their mouse. No no, surely everyone WANTS to use their Windows key to open the damned menu. Get your head out of your ass.

Hey, just saying, there are multiple ways to open the Start screen. Settle down there, cochese. But in all honesty, "Quickly and easily?" I'm sure I can hit that key faster than you taking the mouse to that corner. You can also create an AutoIT script command and attach it to a shortcut to perform a Ctrl-Esc or Windows button key press and stick it on the Taskbar or Desktop.

briangw said,

Hey, just saying, there are multiple ways to open the Start screen. Settle down there, cochese. But in all honesty, "Quickly and easily?" I'm sure I can hit that key faster than you taking the mouse to that corner. You can also create an AutoIT script command and attach it to a shortcut to perform a Ctrl-Esc or Windows button key press and stick it on the Taskbar or Desktop.


I'm sure you're right, however, this is not about which way of navigating is faster. It's about being able to navigate quickly and easily using just a mouse if the user so chooses and all this does is makes it easier. I don't see how anyone can think something is bad if it only makes things easier for those who use it.

jeston said,

Yeah, because God forbid a user could actually navigate their computer quickly and easily using just their mouse. No no, surely everyone WANTS to use their Windows key to open the damned menu. Get your head out of your ass.

what he said..

i lean back on my Lazy boy recliner and use my PC with one hand
and its a pain to surf the web if i have to lean forward etc (when im feelin lazy)

its just ignorance. people assume that everyone has do things like they do..

I'm loving it, very simple with great functionality, wish there was a way to push the Start App Icon to the very left of the Superbar that doesn't have side effects (ie. adding the Quick Launch to add spacing) The Power App is just perfect IMHO.

If the "nonsense" that happened around the time of the Vista RTM was any indication. It will last for a year or two.

statm1 said,
If the "nonsense" that happened around the time of the Vista RTM was any indication. It will last for a year or two.

People were still posting progman.exe for download well beyond even Windows 98's release (and I've argued that Stardock's Fences is nothing more than a modern version of the same), so I think it's safe to assume some people will want these addons for years to come.

Joshie said,

People were still posting progman.exe for download well beyond even Windows 98's release (and I've argued that Stardock's Fences is nothing more than a modern version of the same), so I think it's safe to assume some people will want these addons for years to come.

There were also the tips for booting directly to the Command Prompt Full Screen inside Win95 and Win98. The colors and icons were just in the way.

Skwerl said,
How do I type out a *huge* eyeroll emoticon?

red x in the corner of your screen..

you may want to copy and paste your reply to every single
software news story for apps you do not like / use etc

Will this nonsense go until oct. 26 or beyond that date ?
if you want the start button there is already a choice in Windows 95, Windows 98, Windows NT 5.1, Windows 2000, Windows ME, Windows XP, Windows Vista & Windows 7.

Ricardo Dawkins said,
Will this nonsense go until oct. 26 or beyond that date ?
if you want the start button there is already a choice in Windows 95, Windows 98, Windows NT 5.1, Windows 2000, Windows ME, Windows XP, Windows Vista & Windows 7.

To infinity, and beyond!

It's not a choice, there are no more updates for most of those OSes. Hence, the term 'forced upgrade'. Except these day's nobody really needs Microsoft anymore with game makers moving over to other platforms.

Pretty useless really. You can click in that corner without this app and it still opens up the start screen. What's the point in having the image or taking up more space? It doesn't add any functionality, it just places an image on the taskbar.

Windows 8 has removed the Start Orb/button

No, this is factually incorrect, but idiots keep repeating it.

The 'button' is moved to the lower left corner of the screen. PERIOD.

Roll mouse to lower left, click.

Not sure it was a good idea to post it in his SkyDrive account. Microsoft might easily find a reason to block his account until he removes the download.

DrakeN2k said,
windows key is sooo quick , not really a big deal

only if there is a quick way to close programs like in the old days

Upper right corner, swipe down. Instant list of Apps. Click Center Mouse Button (usually on your wheel) over the App. This works identically to the Taskbar in Windows 7 as well, using the center mouse button will close App from the task bar is faster than finding the X or right click to hit close.

For running App, Grap the top of the screen and drag the App to the Bottom. (It is a gesture to throw the App away, aka close it.)

There are MORE options that are easier and the existing functionality you are familiar with also still exists.

thenetavenger said,

Upper right corner, swipe down. Instant list of Apps. Click Center Mouse Button (usually on your wheel) over the App. This works identically to the Taskbar in Windows 7 as well, using the center mouse button will close App from the task bar is faster than finding the X or right click to hit close.

For running App, Grap the top of the screen and drag the App to the Bottom. (It is a gesture to throw the App away, aka close it.)

There are MORE options that are easier and the existing functionality you are familiar with also still exists.


You've got generally a good hang of the Win8 UX, but I'm pretty sure middle-clicking a button on the taskbar opens a new instance of the application (handy for, say, Excel, which doesn't open files in new windows on its own).

I don't know any quick-click methods of closing apps from the taskbar, personally, but if you do and you just brainfarted, please share, since that'd be a neat tip (and I thought I already knew all of these, so it'd be nice to learn something new for once).

Joshie said,

You've got generally a good hang of the Win8 UX, but I'm pretty sure middle-clicking a button on the taskbar opens a new instance of the application (handy for, say, Excel, which doesn't open files in new windows on its own).

I don't know any quick-click methods of closing apps from the taskbar, personally, but if you do and you just brainfarted, please share, since that'd be a neat tip (and I thought I already knew all of these, so it'd be nice to learn something new for once).


Middle-clicking the taskbar preview closes it, iirc.

grayscale said,

Middle-clicking the taskbar preview closes it, iirc.

Huh, so it does. HmmmmMMMMmmmm... I wonder if I'll ever make use of that, now, knowing it's there. Functionally it's more of a tab/document closer than an application closer (depending on how programs implement their taskbar buttons. Closing a browser with several tabs open would still be simpler the old fashioned ways.

Cool to know tho!

Joshie said,

Huh, so it does. HmmmmMMMMmmmm... I wonder if I'll ever make use of that, now, knowing it's there. Functionally it's more of a tab/document closer than an application closer (depending on how programs implement their taskbar buttons. Closing a browser with several tabs open would still be simpler the old fashioned ways.

Cool to know tho!

I can stop my response, thanks grayscale and I'm glad you found a new trick.

The middle click is handy for a lot of things...

Like the tip you offered about the opening a new instance from the taskbar, that same concept works in IE and other Apps as well.

In IE it opens a new Tab in the background and opens the link, etc.


The best tip for Windows and mouse buttons, try them, and see what they do everywhere...

grayscale said,

Middle-clicking the taskbar preview closes it, iirc.

Not working here in Windows 7. Got a stock configured Sidewinder mouse too. So, you press the mouse wheel button on the open app in the taskbar?

briangw said,

Not working here in Windows 7. Got a stock configured Sidewinder mouse too. So, you press the mouse wheel button on the open app in the taskbar?

Not the app, but its taskbar preview. The one that appears when you hover on the icon.

grayscale said,

Not the app, but its taskbar preview. The one that appears when you hover on the icon.

Yeah, I tried that. So you put the mouse cursor over the window that pops up the preview and press the middle button? I tried it and it didn't work. I went into the Mouse settings and made sue the middle button was the default setting. I'll try a different mouse.

Ahh, at work it works but not at home. Must be that MS mouse.

briangw said,

Yeah, I tried that. So you put the mouse cursor over the window that pops up the preview and press the middle button? I tried it and it didn't work. I went into the Mouse settings and made sue the middle button was the default setting. I'll try a different mouse.

Ahh, at work it works but not at home. Must be that MS mouse.

or you're not using aero at home, i'm not really sure. i can't try it since I'm no longer on 7. oh well, glad you got it to work

grayscale said,

or you're not using aero at home, i'm not really sure. i can't try it since I'm no longer on 7. oh well, glad you got it to work

Nope, Aero is on with both. It's gotta be the Sidewinder mouse. I bet if I plug up another one, it will work. Pretty cool, though. I never knew you could do that. Thanks!

This is quite simple and nice. The hidden start button can be a pain sometimes, however I love the metro start screen. This puts the button back, keeping the same metro start screen which is simply perfect. Great for desktop users, but tablet users this is extremely redundant.

jordanspringer said,
This is quite simple and nice. The hidden start button can be a pain sometimes, however I love the metro start screen. This puts the button back, keeping the same metro start screen which is simply perfect. Great for desktop users, but tablet users this is extremely redundant.

Why do you need to see the Start Button on the screen if it is effectively STILL there in the lower left hand corner of the screen?

What is crazy, is hit-testing to nail the button is far less efficient than sliding to the corner and clicking.

It is like this, which is faster, click on 0,0 by sliding your mouse to corner of a screen or clicking on pixel range 40,40,100,100

Hitting a button at a defined location is something that is slower and requires visual attention, flipping your mouse to the corner and clicking is something you can do faster even with your eyes closed, as the mouse catches in the corner.

thenetavenger said,

Why do you need to see the Start Button on the screen if it is effectively STILL there in the lower left hand corner of the screen?

What is crazy, is hit-testing to nail the button is far less efficient than sliding to the corner and clicking.

It is like this, which is faster, click on 0,0 by sliding your mouse to corner of a screen or clicking on pixel range 40,40,100,100

Hitting a button at a defined location is something that is slower and requires visual attention, flipping your mouse to the corner and clicking is something you can do faster even with your eyes closed, as the mouse catches in the corner.

In a windowed-Remote Desktop, clicking 0,0 is much harder than clicking a pixel range 40-100 x 40-100.

leojei said,

In a windowed-Remote Desktop, clicking 0,0 is much harder than clicking a pixel range 40-100 x 40-100.

Sadly, what you say is why so many people that have been running it in VMware or VirtualBox and not using it full screen or 'locking' the mouse to the Window are the ones that HATE Windows 8 and have complained the most.

However, in a RDP session or even a VM, there are several mechanisms Microsoft has provided with HyperV and Remote Desktop to supply this functionality. (Thus you DO NOT HAVE TO CLICK on 0,0 - and if you have been trying to do this, I feel for you, as it would be a nightmare.)

Use the Microsoft mechanisms, or lock the mouse in VirtualBox or VMware until they are updated to support Windows 8 corner gestures properly.

thenetavenger said,

Why do you need to see the Start Button on the screen if it is effectively STILL there in the lower left hand corner of the screen?

What is crazy, is hit-testing to nail the button is far less efficient than sliding to the corner and clicking.

It is like this, which is faster, click on 0,0 by sliding your mouse to corner of a screen or clicking on pixel range 40,40,100,100

Hitting a button at a defined location is something that is slower and requires visual attention, flipping your mouse to the corner and clicking is something you can do faster even with your eyes closed, as the mouse catches in the corner.

In Windows 7 you can mouse to 0,0 and it's over the Start button still. Mouse to 0,0 without even looking and left click and bam Start menu.

Now try the same thing in RDP or on multiple monitors and you find out how fun corners can be and why you need to have a visual target.

That and wait till your grandma runs windows 8 and you have to explain the concept of the corners of the screen all of the sudden being these magic new areas of interaction by simply moving your mouse to them after she's been conditioned to interact by clicking visual cues to interact and the mouse move is just a way to get from visual cue A to cue B.

thenetavenger said,


Okay, usually you make sense and all. but seems to me that you have NOT used Windows 8 on a remote machine yet. I can tell you this, its horrible to locate those few little pixels in the corners to open up everything. Especially since my remote desktop is on the same or bigger resolution then local and windowed, I do NOT want it to be fullscreen constantly or just to open a god darn start menu, I welcome this app so i can get rid of that horrible classicshell.

WinMunkee said,
There are like 3 ways to get to the start screen, do we really need another?
Bottom left corner, charms bar, windows key.

I agree. This app is completely pointless.

SharpGreen said,
I agree. This app is completely pointless.

It's pointless unless none of those 3 ways are available - ie: windowed-RDP environment. WIN and Ctrl+Esc would trigger the host Start menu/screen, not the client one. The bottom left corner and charm bar are just disaster for users to pinpoint the border of the window just to have the pop-up menu to show up. With this app, Start screen will just be one-click away.

WinMunkee said,
There are like 3 ways to get to the start screen, do we really need another?
Bottom left corner, charms bar, windows key.

All the haters will suddenly go "o mai gawd wnd0wz 8 bst ting evur!!1!"

Zeet said,

All the haters will suddenly go "o mai gawd wnd0wz 8 bst ting evur!!1!"

orly ?

and guys the app is not pointless if 1 person decides to use it.
people have every right to do what they want with out being
made fun of.. I don't like it so i guess that makes me an illiterate
kid then right !!!!!!!1111111ONEOINE LiekZZZ OMGzBBQQTF!11111111111

.spare me

leojei said,

It's pointless unless none of those 3 ways are available - ie: windowed-RDP environment. WIN and Ctrl+Esc would trigger the host Start menu/screen, not the client one. The bottom left corner and charm bar are just disaster for users to pinpoint the border of the window just to have the pop-up menu to show up. With this app, Start screen will just be one-click away.

I agree. The hot corner target areas are way too small. Also who's idea was it to not expand the mouse over event to the whole thumbnail that shows up instead of closing the thumbnail past 5 pixels of movement?

SharpGreen said,

I agree. This app is completely pointless.

Just my 2 cents. As a tech I am completely ok with hitting the winkey or sliding my mouse cursor down to the bottom left corner. However, in RDP this has already proven to be a bit too frustrating for me.

Now, most average joe user's are going to have difficulty with this new interface. I can see it already, trying to show an 80 year old how to get his mouse into the tiny little 2 pixel by 2 pixel area in the bottom left. And I know he can hit the winkey, but they are used to doing things they way they always have been. That's why I came up with this little trick. Just trying to keep the metro UI usable without installing a replacement app. Keep the negativity off the OS.

Calum said,
Of course, it's important for all to remember, the Start button on the Charms bar will do exactly this.

Or you just slide your cursor to the lower left corner and click, just like people have been doing since the 90s. The basic functionality hasn't changed, the only thing is that the physical button has been removed.

Guess some people will always find things to complain about.

Agree with both of you, but if this (or similar) apps will stop some of the irrational "I don't like Windows 8" comments and allow those people to get past the lack of a start button and use the OS, then it might be worth installing it for people.

Calum said,
Of course, it's important for all to remember, the Start button on the Charms bar will do exactly this.

I think this is more to reduce the annoyance in RDP with the side hover mouse stuff... I know its annoyed me...

Calum said,
Of course, it's important for all to remember, the Start button on the Charms bar will do exactly this.

The 'Start' on the Charms bar is one of the few things that is truly just for touch users.

Slide mouse to lower left of screen, click. Instant Start Menu.

I read another article last week about people complaining about having to wait for 'hover' times for switching Apps and the Charms Bar, etc. This also is insane, for switching Apps, Slide mouse to upper left side of screen then slide down, instant list of running Apps. The same is true of the charms bar, slide mouse to right lower corner and slide up. (The Slide up/down gesture is what makes them appear immediately, instead of the default hover wait time.)

When people KEEP saying that the Start Button is Gone, they are idiots. When they say the Start Menu is Gone, they are idiots. The Start button is moved to the lower corner pixels, and is 'hidden' but FASTER to access than correctly hitting the Start/Orb button in previous versions of Windows.

The Start Menu is now a full screen Start Screen, but works VERY MUCH like the Start Menu in Vista and Win7, Pinned Apps, instant search by typing, command line functionality by typing, etc. The only real difference is that it is now full screen, which is irrelevant, since the previous Start Menu WOULD NOT REMAIN on screen at the same time as doing anything else anyway, so limiting them to just 1/4 of the screen as a 'popup' is a waste of space, with NO change in functionality.

It is this SIMPLE lack of translation of concepts that people are having a hard time with, when it is really easy if they don't burn gears trying to think about it.

Apps like the ones listed in this article, should charge money, as it would be 'stupid' people tax.

Thank you for this post. I've been reading the same bad news over and over. This has enlightened me.

thenetavenger said,

The 'Start' on the Charms bar is one of the few things that is truly just for touch users.

Slide mouse to lower left of screen, click. Instant Start Menu.

I read another article last week about people complaining about having to wait for 'hover' times for switching Apps and the Charms Bar, etc. This also is insane, for switching Apps, Slide mouse to upper left side of screen then slide down, instant list of running Apps. The same is true of the charms bar, slide mouse to right lower corner and slide up. (The Slide up/down gesture is what makes them appear immediately, instead of the default hover wait time.)

When people KEEP saying that the Start Button is Gone, they are idiots. When they say the Start Menu is Gone, they are idiots. The Start button is moved to the lower corner pixels, and is 'hidden' but FASTER to access than correctly hitting the Start/Orb button in previous versions of Windows.

The Start Menu is now a full screen Start Screen, but works VERY MUCH like the Start Menu in Vista and Win7, Pinned Apps, instant search by typing, command line functionality by typing, etc. The only real difference is that it is now full screen, which is irrelevant, since the previous Start Menu WOULD NOT REMAIN on screen at the same time as doing anything else anyway, so limiting them to just 1/4 of the screen as a 'popup' is a waste of space, with NO change in functionality.

It is this SIMPLE lack of translation of concepts that people are having a hard time with, when it is really easy if they don't burn gears trying to think about it.

Apps like the ones listed in this article, should charge money, as it would be 'stupid' people tax.

-Razorfold said,

Or you just slide your cursor to the lower left corner and click, just like people have been doing since the 90s. The basic functionality hasn't changed, the only thing is that the physical button has been removed.

Guess some people will always find things to complain about.

Most people who never try Windows 8 will never find the start button without it. There has been videos on it on youtube.

-Razorfold said,

Or you just slide your cursor to the lower left corner and click, just like people have been doing since the 90s. The basic functionality hasn't changed, the only thing is that the physical button has been removed.

Actually if your taskbar is populated, you will occasionally hit it instead. You have to go deep lower left. Oddly, never have problems with right-hand side, but the most common and irritating, is if you leave Modern Apps open, and in desktop environment go to upper left. This happens a lot, you will get on the app bar. If you're say, double clicking or clicking upper left, you switch to first Modern App. Showstopping, no. Irritating, yes. The more I commit to using Modern Apps, the more the flaws in the dual personality show up. Showstopping no, irritating, yes. People have valid complaints, I believe MS knows this, but I dont' see what choice they have or had.

Guess some people will always find things to complain about.

thenetavenger said,

[. . .]
The 'Start' on the Charms bar is one of the few things that is truly just for touch users.
[. . .]

That isn't true. The Charms bar is supposed to be used by people who use a mouse and keyboard, as well as those who use a touchscreen. The Charms bar is the place to go for searching (apps and other things), for accessing the settings of apps etc. Yes, it might make more sense to use the Start "button" in the bottom left corner that appears on hover, but that doesn't mean the Start button on the Charms bar is for touchscreen users only Of course, I agree with the rest of your comment.

ACTIONpack said,

Most people who never try Windows 8 will never find the start button without it. There has been videos on it on youtube.


They should be able to find it if they actually watch the tutorial that appears before they use the operating system for the first time.

TCLN Ryster said,
Agree with both of you, but if this (or similar) apps will stop some of the irrational "I don't like Windows 8" comments and allow those people to get past the lack of a start button and use the OS, then it might be worth installing it for people.

That's a great point. I suppose we should be happy that apps like this will probably at least ensure more people stay with Windows.

Actually if your taskbar is populated, you will occasionally hit it instead. You have to go deep lower left. Oddly, never have problems with right-hand side, but the most common and irritating, is if you leave Modern Apps open, and in desktop environment go to upper left. This happens a lot, you will get on the app bar. If you're say, double clicking or clicking upper left, you switch to first Modern App. Showstopping, no. Irritating, yes. The more I commit to using Modern Apps, the more the flaws in the dual personality show up. Showstopping no, irritating, yes. People have valid complaints, I believe MS knows this, but I dont' see what choice they have or had.

TCLN Ryster said,
Agree with both of you, but if this (or similar) apps will stop some of the irrational "I don't like Windows 8" comments and allow those people to get past the lack of a start button and use the OS, then it might be worth installing it for people.

wow !
must be nice living in your world lol
make some assumptions and swing around your opinions as fact
all with a pompous and condescending attitude.

Its people like you that need to "get over it"
And if i don't like windows 8 i am irational ?
And where are you getting your facts ?
You said "..people to get past the lack of a start button"
So uhh do us all a favor and show everyone where you can prove
that EVERYONE that does NOT like windows 8 said so because
of nothing more than the start menu.

Your ignorant comments are in no way shape or form better
than any of the win 8 haters posting.

I'm stunned at the judegemental assumptions ported to fact as usual
from the same ole people around here.. maybe i should start making up crap too

thenetavenger said,

The 'Start' on the Charms bar is one of the few things that is truly just for touch users.

Slide mouse to lower left of screen, click. Instant Start Menu.

I read another article last week about people complaining about having to wait for 'hover' times for switching Apps and the Charms Bar, etc. This also is insane, for switching Apps, Slide mouse to upper left side of screen then slide down, instant list of running Apps. The same is true of the charms bar, slide mouse to right lower corner and slide up. (The Slide up/down gesture is what makes them appear immediately, instead of the default hover wait time.)

When people KEEP saying that the Start Button is Gone, they are idiots. When they say the Start Menu is Gone, they are idiots. The Start button is moved to the lower corner pixels, and is 'hidden' but FASTER to access than correctly hitting the Start/Orb button in previous versions of Windows.

The Start Menu is now a full screen Start Screen, but works VERY MUCH like the Start Menu in Vista and Win7, Pinned Apps, instant search by typing, command line functionality by typing, etc. The only real difference is that it is now full screen, which is irrelevant, since the previous Start Menu WOULD NOT REMAIN on screen at the same time as doing anything else anyway, so limiting them to just 1/4 of the screen as a 'popup' is a waste of space, with NO change in functionality.

It is this SIMPLE lack of translation of concepts that people are having a hard time with, when it is really easy if they don't burn gears trying to think about it.

Apps like the ones listed in this article, should charge money, as it would be 'stupid' people tax.

Thanks for that. Didn't realize that just because we don't like something we're idiots. Thanks for pointing that out. <snipped>. I thought we could post our thoughts on a forum, but I guess it's just for elitists like you that know everything.

Edited by Calum, Aug 28 2012, 12:48am :

Calum said,

That isn't true. The Charms bar is supposed to be used by people who use a mouse and keyboard, as well as those who use a touchscreen. The Charms bar is the place to go for searching (apps and other things), for accessing the settings of apps etc. Yes, it might make more sense to use the Start "button" in the bottom left corner that appears on hover, but that doesn't mean the Start button on the Charms bar is for touchscreen users only Of course, I agree with the rest of your comment.

Reading comprehension is not your thing uh?

I said the 'Start' Button in the center of the Charms bar is there for Touch users.

Just the START button on the center of the Charms bar, the rest of the Charms bar is there for everyone...

If you are using a desktop with mouse/keyboard you can hit the WIn key or slide the mouse to the lower left corner faster than opening the charms bar and clicking on the Start icon that is THERE FOR TOUCH USERS.

WOW...

farmeunit said,

Thanks for that. Didn't realize that just because we don't like something we're idiots. Thanks for pointing that out. <snipped>. I thought we could post our thoughts on a forum, but I guess it's just for elitists like you that know everything.

'Like' and 'Comprehend' is not the same thing.

If people DID comprehend that the Start Menu has essentially NOT changed other than being full screen, they would not be complaining.

Instead they feel like it is taking them away from what they are doing, yet the Start Menu in Windows 7 is a popup that takes you away from what you are doing as well, it just doesn't take up the full screen.

There is arguably little difference in function and use between the Windows 7 Start Menu and the Windows 8 Start Screen.

For people to see it as drastically different is ignorance. (As in choosing to ignore information.)

Edited by Calum, Aug 28 2012, 12:21am :

thenetavenger said,

Reading comprehension is not your thing uh?

I said the 'Start' Button in the center of the Charms bar is there for Touch users.

Just the START button on the center of the Charms bar, the rest of the Charms bar is there for everyone...

If you are using a desktop with mouse/keyboard you can hit the WIn key or slide the mouse to the lower left corner faster than opening the charms bar and clicking on the Start icon that is THERE FOR TOUCH USERS.

WOW...


Being polite is not your thing, eh!? Being a terrible, rude person is your thing, eh!? Reading comprehension is not your thing, eh, and then erroneously suggesting it isn't another person's thing even though they clearly read your post correctly is your thing, eh!?

I said, "Yes, it might make more sense to use the Start "button" in the bottom left corner that appears on hover, but that doesn't mean the Start button on the Charms bar is for touchscreen users only."

I clearly acknowledged that you were talking about the Start button in the centre of the Charms bar! And I mentioned that you're wrong. Why would the Start button in the centre of the Charms bar *only* be for touchscreen users, when all of the other buttons on that bar are for mouse and keyboard users, and those buttons look and feel the same?

The problem with your ridiculous statement is that you said it is *only* for touchscreen users. You didn't suggest that it was best for touchscreen users or that it was better for mouse and keyboard users to use the other methods. You stated it is *only* for touchscreen users. As you implied can be done in the quote above, I've used that button with my mouse and keyboard, as well as the button in the bottom left, and it works perfectly fine for me. That's enough to point out how wrong you are. Not only that, but most (if not all) touchscreen devices will still have some form of Windows button that takes people to the Start screen. Have you seen Microsoft Surface, have you seen Levono's ThinkPad devices etc?

The Start button on the Charms bar may be there to aid touchscreen users, but it certainly isn't *only* for touchscreen users. That is the point you may have tried to make in your initial comment but which you failed to make.

Here's a little lesson for you: Don't be a terrible person and resort to immature, unfounded attacks, even if someone has actually misread your post (something I didn't do, as I've pointed out!) It's unnecessarily rude, and being rude for no reason is an awful quality for a human to have.

Edited by Calum, Aug 28 2012, 12:31am :

Calum said,

Being polite is not your thing, eh!? Being a terrible, rude person is your thing, eh!? Reading comprehension is not your thing, eh, and then erroneously suggesting it isn't another person's thing even though they clearly read your post correctly is your thing, eh!?

I said, "Yes, it might make more sense to use the Start "button" in the bottom left corner that appears on hover, but that doesn't mean the Start button on the Charms bar is for touchscreen users only."

I clearly acknowledged that you were talking about the Start button in the centre of the Charms bar! And I mentioned that you're wrong. Why would the Start button in the centre of the Charms bar *only* be for touchscreen users, when all of the other buttons on that bar are for mouse and keyboard users, and those buttons look and feel the same?

The problem with your ridiculous statement is that you said it is *only* for touchscreen users. You didn't suggest that it was best for touchscreen users or that it was better for mouse and keyboard users to use the other methods. You stated it is *only* for touchscreen users. As you implied can be done in the quote above, I've used that button with my mouse and keyboard, as well as the button in the bottom left, and it works perfectly fine for me. That's enough to point out how wrong you are. Not only that, but most (if not all) touchscreen devices will still have some form of Windows button that takes people to the Start screen. Have you seen Microsoft Surface, have you seen Levono's ThinkPad devices etc?

The Start button on the Charms bar may be there to aid touchscreen users, but it certainly isn't *only* for touchscreen users. That is the point you may have tried to make in your initial comment but which you failed to make.

Here's a little lesson for you: Don't be a terrible person and resort to immature, unfounded attacks, even if someone has actually misread your post (something I didn't do, as I've pointed out!) It's unnecessarily rude, and being rude for no reason is an awful quality for a human to have.

@Calum and @thenetavenger
You guys need to calm down....

Just to set the record straight. I just want to make it clear that what thenetavenger said was correct. The Start Button in the Charms bar was designed PRIMARILY for touchscreen users. That was the reason it was placed at the center of the Charms Bar. Infact there was a plan to include the Charms bar also at the bottom left corner for keyboard/mouse users. It was later dismissed in favor of the current Charms bar only on the right hand side. This was done to maintain the UI consistency between tablets and PCs.

Goldenlotus said,

@Calum and @thenetavenger
You guys need to calm down....

Just to set the record straight. I just want to make it clear that what thenetavenger said was correct. The Start Button in the Charms bar was designed PRIMARILY for touchscreen users. That was the reason it was placed at the center of the Charms Bar. Infact there was a plan to include the Charms bar also at the bottom left corner for keyboard/mouse users. It was later dismissed in favor of the current Charms bar only on the right hand side. This was done to maintain the UI consistency between tablets and PCs.


Heh, I was calm before he was terribly rude to me I don't take kindly to people being rude to me, and I feel they should be taught a lesson, unfortunately.

thenetavenger wasn't actually correct. In reply to my initial comment, he appeared to attempt to refute it by stating, "The 'Start' on the Charms bar is one of the few things that is truly just for touch users."

He stated that the Start button on the Charms bar is *truly just* for touchscreen users. That is not correct, as mouse and keyboard users are able to use it, as I pointed out in my comment. It may be designed for touchscreen users, but anyone is able to use it, and therefore it isn't just touchscreen users that can use it.

What you say in your comment is of course correct. I think you're mistaken as to what thenetavenger said. I actually suspect he meant what you said, but he unfortunately didn't say that, and his initial incorrect comment appeared to be an attempt to refute my correct suggestion that the Start button on the Charms bar can be used by all Windows 8 users.

-Razorfold said,

Or you just slide your cursor to the lower left corner and click, just like people have been doing since the 90s. The basic functionality hasn't changed, the only thing is that the physical button has been removed.
Guess some people will always find things to complain about.

What does losing the start button gain you? The Start Screen could be invoked by right or middle clicking it. The Start Screen could be invoked by clicking the Start button itself. A deep option could be to enable the Start Screen or the Start menu for those who prefer the either way. The Start Screen could be evoked by the upper left hot corner only.

The point is Microsoft and the entire Windows industry over the last 17 years has taught people and conditioned them into using that button to invoke a response that shows applications. Now that alone is not a good reason to keep something around by itself, but at least give people the option.

Tech Support for Windows 8 is going to be incredibly difficult in many respects, this learning curve is going to be quite big for many users.

And this is all due to them removing a 25x25 pixel icon target that could've remained as a hallmark of the concept of Windows (much like the X button to close windows) and used to create new options and interactions. They should've just left it. I dont care about the rest of the decisions of Windows 8 and why they were made but the simple act of changing this one feature is Microsoft's greatest and potentially their most costly mistake.

Calum said,
Of course, it's important for all to remember, the Start button on the Charms bar will do exactly this.

You don't have to use the Charms to swap from Start to Desktop.
If you put the Desktop tile top left on the start screen when you log in just press Enter on your keyboard to go to the desktop, and when you are on the desktop just press the windows key to go back to start.

keithbro said,

You don't have to use the Charms to swap from Start to Desktop.
If you put the Desktop tile top left on the start screen when you log in just press Enter on your keyboard to go to the desktop, and when you are on the desktop just press the windows key to go back to start.


I know I was just reminding those who have a problem with it that an actual UI Start button exists on the Charms bar, along with the place of the previous Start button still being able to be used in the same way it always was.

neufuse said,

I think this is more to reduce the annoyance in RDP with the side hover mouse stuff... I know its annoyed me...


this, being remote in a non-fullscreen window is horrid to use win8, I personally don't like to let it forward my winkey+ctrl/alt/del keystrokes, but with win8 I'm forced to do so.
Opening up start screen is horrible, Press winkey, and on my host win8 machine BWAM start screen, just cause I want to open up the menu on my RDP's machine.
Only reason why I'm using ClassicShell on my desktop system, otherwise its just absolute horror to work with.
And NO I do not want to make shortcuts of everything and do NOT want to fill my taskbar with icons I only use when being remote.

I am Not PCyr said,

wow !
must be nice living in your world lol
make some assumptions and swing around your opinions as fact
all with a pompous and condescending attitude.

Its people like you that need to "get over it"
And if i don't like windows 8 i am irational ?
And where are you getting your facts ?
You said "..people to get past the lack of a start button"
So uhh do us all a favor and show everyone where you can prove
that EVERYONE that does NOT like windows 8 said so because
of nothing more than the start menu.

Your ignorant comments are in no way shape or form better
than any of the win 8 haters posting.

I'm stunned at the judegemental assumptions ported to fact as usual
from the same ole people around here.. maybe i should start making up crap too


When he points out irrational complaints, it's because not all complaints are irrational. If all complaints were irrational, there would not be any reason to point out they are irrational.

And he never said anything about facts, he merely wrote his opinion... The word fact is never used anywhere in his post.

Yup, seriously getting fed-up with pompous attitudes. I think we all need to meet in real and see if these attitudes can't be resolved with a few Shotguns.

Calum said,

That isn't true. The Charms bar is supposed to be used by people who use a mouse and keyboard, as well as those who use a touchscreen. The Charms bar is the place to go for searching

And let me tell you that using the Charms bar for searching within apps is the WORST IDEA EVER. Searching through email is a total pain because of this. It requires moving your mouse to the upper right, then down, then clicking.

Developers better add their own search text boxes to apps, because that's a terrible design the way it is now.

andrewbares said,

And let me tell you that using the Charms bar for searching within apps is the WORST IDEA EVER. Searching through email is a total pain because of this. It requires moving your mouse to the upper right, then down, then clicking.

Developers better add their own search text boxes to apps, because that's a terrible design the way it is now.


I disagree. I love the idea of there being one central place for searching within apps and the operating system, and I believe that place being the Search button on the Charms bar is a great idea. The Search, Share, and Settings contracts are some of my favourite Windows 8/WinRT features. I believe the idea behind them is brilliant.

Why don't you like it? Are you sure it's not a case of you just not being used to it yet? I don't have a problem with merely clicking the Search button on the Charms bar before entering my term, and I use a mouse and keyboard.