Sony creates a comparison table between Move, Kinect and Wii

At the Sony Media Holiday Preview Event (SMHPE) held in New York, a media kit was given out to the people who where in attendance. In the media kit, was an image scanned by dualshockers, the image compares the different motion controls heading into competition this holiday season.

The SMHPE is primarily held to show off software, and this year was used to show the Move's games, and the way the Move works with existing games.

The controller is in direct competition with Microsoft's own motion technology, Kinect, and with it's price being announced earlier today, it is also clear that they mean business as well. Neither company has directly referenced each others controllers, until now.

It seems that Sony has started a more aggressive approach of promoting the Playstation Move controller to the gaming media, which will be available around the world in September. 

Sony handed out the above comparison table to everyone in the media, that compares the Kinect, Move and Wii in a select few categorizes, including batteries, buttons and cameras. All the results are seen above, and an interesting personal note, they did not include any category that the Move does not get a "yes" in.

Dualshockers claims that the image was scanned from the media kit handed out by Sony, and that image above is a direct scan of the image available to the media.

Image Credit: Dualshockers

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WHAT THE HELL??? SERIOUSLY????


this list is completely useless. all it does is show tons of USELESS stuff. are they REALLY trying to look good by having more "YES" answers then other too. on factors that do not matter?

so we should like MOVE because it has "rechargeable batteries"???


actually, i like ps3 move, but this is just retarded. i cannot believe they put out the list.
its better be a joke...


secondary controller - a "no" for kinect??? what a joke - they dont even have the first one! that is the point of kinect.

it drives me mad to see crap like that from serious companies.

"Blu-ray powered HD"
pretty sure blu-ray is not a power source...

And MS Kinect is just as wireless as the Sony system. (wire goes to the receiver)
So, not only is it stupid, it's also a lie.

Cost is not an issue when the product is innovative and delivers. If it works better than its competitor then I will pay the extra to get it.

TokyoKiller said,
Cost is not an issue when the product is innovative and delivers. If it works better than its competitor then I will pay the extra to get it.

+1

Costs Too Much:

Move: Definitely
Wii: No
Kinect: Yes

Also don't reply with the Microsoft chart of prices, that's rather biased too.

billyea said,
Costs Too Much:

Move: Definitely
Wii: No
Kinect: Yes

Also don't reply with the Microsoft chart of prices, that's rather biased too.

Eh, in comparison, Kinect is much more cost-effective than the Move or the Wii.

Kinect is going to have to be some magical **** to work. seriously i can't imagine the pains that will come from using that thing. menu navigation with your arms ? LOL just THINK about it, an annoying fly in your room? nope, just a trigger for flying though menus or messing up your game. what the hell is gonna happen when friends come over? either you have an annoying sync/pairing process for your friend <is clothing going to be a factor?> or you deal with it not differentiating between you and your friend. and since when was it a GOOD THING to wave your hands and arms to do things? effin ridiculous I say. why would I waste energy and time when a simple button press/keystroke can accomplish the same thing in seconds. Anybody actually LIKE using voice commands on any platform? NO BECAUSE ITS IRRITATING UNRELIABLE GARBAGE.

Don't get me wrong the technology is interesting, and yes borderline revolutionary, but this kind of stuff would be more at place in a shopping center asking you what kind of latte you want or seating people in a restaurant .

as far as gaming with kinect goes it looks to me like it will be similar to playing an arcade surfing game with emotion detection. know what i'm saying? gimmicky and limited. The thought of playing tony hawk with kinect makes me shudder, I highly doubt it can differentiate advanced foot movements that separate a kickflip from a heelflip, and there will be constant disappointment.

it will come down to the same problem as the bloody wii: real gamers want EXACT PRECISE CONTROL. they dont want to shake **** randomly, tilt things, bla bla bla. like playing soul caliber on the wii, its a perversion of gaming. It will be a hit with casual gamers and fanboys, casual gamers will slowly forget about it, fanboys will move on, and then their xboxes will red light and that will be the end of it.

And you wrote all this from experience?

What if it just works with no issues at all? I personally hate the system that the Wii uses, its very slow and delayed, and is never precise.

Kinect is a revolutionary idea and I am sure Microsoft wouldn't roll it out if they didn't believe it worked how they intend it to work. The Xbox 360 has already put them in hot water before, I don't think they want to experience that again.

TokyoKiller said,
And you wrote all this from experience?

What if it just works with no issues at all? I personally hate the system that the Wii uses, its very slow and delayed, and is never precise.

Kinect is a revolutionary idea and I am sure Microsoft wouldn't roll it out if they didn't believe it worked how they intend it to work. The Xbox 360 has already put them in hot water before, I don't think they want to experience that again.

Yes i wrote it from experience, as all i said was my opinion derived from the appearance of the hardware/software and examples vs other similar products. If you read it you would see i did not make any factual statements about the outcome. And as far as microsoft is concerned, not wanting to remake mistakes, i don't think i need to dig into that, the history of windows pc operating systems and mobile operating systems speak for themselves.

TokyoKiller said,
And you wrote all this from experience?

What if it just works with no issues at all? I personally hate the system that the Wii uses, its very slow and delayed, and is never precise.

Kinect is a revolutionary idea and I am sure Microsoft wouldn't roll it out if they didn't believe it worked how they intend it to work. The Xbox 360 has already put them in hot water before, I don't think they want to experience that again.

Oh, and regardless of whether or not it works the way they intended it to, that does not mean it will be a success, to paraphrase someone else : t he hardware devs are the kings but the software devs are the kingmakers.

generalkhaos said,
Kinect is going to have to be some magical **** to work. seriously i can't imagine the pains that will come from using that thing. menu navigation with your arms ? LOL just THINK about it, an annoying fly in your room? nope, just a trigger for flying though menus or messing up your game. what the hell is gonna happen when friends come over? either you have an annoying sync/pairing process for your friend <is clothing going to be a factor?> or you deal with it not differentiating between you and your friend. and since when was it a GOOD THING to wave your hands and arms to do things? effin ridiculous I say. why would I waste energy and time when a simple button press/keystroke can accomplish the same thing in seconds. Anybody actually LIKE using voice commands on any platform? NO BECAUSE ITS IRRITATING UNRELIABLE GARBAGE.

Don't get me wrong the technology is interesting, and yes borderline revolutionary, but this kind of stuff would be more at place in a shopping center asking you what kind of latte you want or seating people in a restaurant .

as far as gaming with kinect goes it looks to me like it will be similar to playing an arcade surfing game with emotion detection. know what i'm saying? gimmicky and limited. The thought of playing tony hawk with kinect makes me shudder, I highly doubt it can differentiate advanced foot movements that separate a kickflip from a heelflip, and there will be constant disappointment.

it will come down to the same problem as the bloody wii: real gamers want EXACT PRECISE CONTROL. they dont want to shake **** randomly, tilt things, bla bla bla. like playing soul caliber on the wii, its a perversion of gaming. It will be a hit with casual gamers and fanboys, casual gamers will slowly forget about it, fanboys will move on, and then their xboxes will red light and that will be the end of it.

Ok, you do realize there are people that like to move and exercise and 'interact' with the world beyond a thumbstick/mouse and a few buttons?

Kinect isn't made to be a controller replacement, it is a new way of interacting.

Seriously, everything isn't about how lazy you can be to use the product or they would no longer sell bicycles, skateboards, etc...

Dude, get out of your parents basement, there is a real world outside where people actually have fun not pressing buttons.

thenetavenger said,

Ok, you do realize there are people that like to move and exercise and 'interact' with the world beyond a thumbstick/mouse and a few buttons?

Kinect isn't made to be a controller replacement, it is a new way of interacting.

Seriously, everything isn't about how lazy you can be to use the product or they would no longer sell bicycles, skateboards, etc...

Dude, get out of your parents basement, there is a real world outside where people actually have fun not pressing buttons.

you would do well to not assume everyone on the internet is 12. If i wanted to get out in the real world i would do so, with a real skateboard you dumb@$$ not with some gimmicky piece of shizer from microsoft. and if you have not noticed the current way of interacting with videogames IS controllers ie kinect is a controller replacement. try not to contradict yourself so many times in your future posts.

What! No rechargeable batteries OR secondary controller with Kinect! Talk about the suck! I'm throwing my 360 in the garbage when I get home and going out and buying a PS3! Thank you Sony. This list cleared things up for me.

Looks like the Kinect wins, if you properly read that chart..

To me, it looks like Sony is trying to say nintendo and kinect don't come with rechargeable batteries.. maybe because kinect doesn't need them!

well if you refer to your body as the kinect controller, it kind of has recharcheable batteries. Also called eating

Sadly Kinect is only good for a handful of genres like fitness and party games. Its way to mainstream for the more hardcore gamer.

madskl said,
Sadly Kinect is only good for a handful of genres like fitness and party games. Its way to mainstream for the more hardcore gamer.

errr huh? how do you know that? Have you used it and seen the titles that are gonna support it, can I have a shot of your crystal balls please.

Sony you never cease to amaze me lolol /sarcasm

Mando said,

errr huh? how do you know that? Have you used it and seen the titles that are gonna support it, can I have a shot of your crystal balls please.

Sony you never cease to amaze me lolol /sarcasm

Actually no crystal ball needed. Just look at the lineup!

Kinectimals, Kinect Sports and Kinect Adventures, Your Shape: Fitness Evolved And Kinect Dance central.

Microsoft has done NOTHING to show off Kinect for other than the casual gamer!

madskl said,

Actually no crystal ball needed. Just look at the lineup!

Kinectimals, Kinect Sports and Kinect Adventures, Your Shape: Fitness Evolved And Kinect Dance central.

Microsoft has done NOTHING to show off Kinect for other than the casual gamer!

Star Wars with Kinect? That title alone is making me want to buy an Xbox.

I disagree with the comparison but the fact that Kinect does not have button will kill the technology.

For example, Move and Wiimote are able to play fps games because you can pull the trigger. Instead, in Kinect you can't do that.

Magallanes said,
I disagree with the comparison but the fact that Kinect does not have button will kill the technology.

For example, Move and Wiimote are able to play fps games because you can pull the trigger. Instead, in Kinect you can't do that.

Doesn't mean they can't have a specific motion that is easy to do that will substitute for the shooting. Just have a look at Star Wars with Kinect where the user plays a jedi and uses force powers without buttons.

Augmented Reality? Really now Sony? If reality was only TV... maybe, just maybe....
And Color changing balls... amazing! Of course all the other systems will surely suck just for lacking this feature alone.

Haha,

Controller: Kinect does not even have a controller
Recharge Batteries: Kinect does not even use recharge batteries, more specific it does not even have battery.
This go on...

What kind of comparision is that???

satus said,
Haha,

Controller: Kinect does not even have a controller
Recharge Batteries: Kinect does not even use recharge batteries, more specific it does not even have battery.
This go on...

What kind of comparision is that???

They're comparing to the Wii, are you that blind to miss that?

andrewbares said,

They're comparing to the Wii, are you that blind to miss that?


Thought I was blind or going insane for a minute there but no, I definately see a Kinect column so no, they are not just comparing against the wii. Perhaps time to get your eyes checked?

Wii Secondary controller - must be tethered to wii remote

Guess I should throw my wireless nunchuk away then?

What a load of BS, I LOL'd all the way through it

Teebor said,
Wii Secondary controller - must be tethered to wii remote

Guess I should throw my wireless nunchuk away then?

What a load of BS, I LOL'd all the way through it


The standard controller is tethered

With this kind of chart, you can't just highlight your own column ... people expect it to highlight the winners, and /that/ is what convinces users. Not a blatant "yeah, they match us on that ... but they're not us, so it doesn't count". *sigh @ Sony*

necrosis said,
And that chart is stupid as well. Only a small amount of people will be buying it with a system. Most will just get the add-on because they already own the system (except for Wii people).

True, true.... except for the part that some Move games will require two controllers to play in single-player. Now add another two for two-player support, or another six for... four players, while Kinect comes with the full support out of the box. Now you tell me which is cheaper.

This chart is made to look as if Sony's Move has everything - but it doesn't even work that way.

So many things wrong here.. Haha.

jamesyfx said,
This chart is made to look as if Sony's Move has everything - but it doesn't even work that way.

So many things wrong here.. Haha.

It has a lot more than Kinect.... Games and precision primarily.

good lord, wake up Sony, I don't want non replaceable batteries from you, Apple, or anyone else. I'm perfectly happy saving a fortune replacing my rechargeable batteries myself when they die, instead of having to replace the entire unit, or mess around sending it back to you for a huge cost, if you still even make the product any more.

yakumo said,
good lord, wake up Sony, I don't want non replaceable batteries from you, Apple, or anyone else. I'm perfectly happy saving a fortune replacing my rechargeable batteries myself when they die, instead of having to replace the entire unit, or mess around sending it back to you for a huge cost, if you still even make the product any more.

So far ive never had a non-replaceable battery controller / device fail on me yet, excluding laptops.

My Playstation controller works fine, never had a problem. I would have liked my xbox controller to be rechargeable, ive tried the rechargeable battery plug-in set from microsoft but it didn't work well at all.

I had my iPhone 3G for 2 years and the battery was still working fine right up to when i traded it in, with up to 2 years being about the amount of time i would own a mobile phone.

REM2000 said,

I would have liked my xbox controller to be rechargeable, ive tried the rechargeable battery plug-in set from microsoft but it didn't work well at all.

Please elaborate for everyone how you couldnt get a battery to work?! You can either have a battery block, use AA rechargables or standard AA's.

Sony's just knee jerking because MS released a Price comparison chart which made the Move look hella expensive. It's always nice to get a silly rile out of the competition though, good going MS I suppose.

Julius Caro said,
I wish the move had audio feedback like the wii

yea, I always thought that was a "cool" feature - not many games support it but the ones that do really make it stand out.

To me they've just made Kinect sound more appealing. No controllers? Excellent!

I love the way the ball on the end of the Move controller is meant to be a feedback device. It makes it look like a dildo, nothing else.

what said,
To me they've just made Kinect sound more appealing. No controllers? Excellent!

I love the way the ball on the end of the Move controller is meant to be a feedback device. It makes it look like a dildo, nothing else.


In my own opinion having a controller is better for specific tasks, maybe not so much for "party games".

bolix said,

In my own opinion having a controller is better for specific tasks, maybe not so much for "party games".

You have a controller, the same controller you can use now - nowhere has it been said that games have to use either the Kinect or the standard controller.

I can definitely see this being used to supplement games like FPS's etc - in terms of head movement and other body shifts.

The fact that Kinect has NO controller means you have both hands free, nothing stopping devs allowing the std controller to be used whereas with Move you are stuck with move...

duddut2 said,
... I can definitely see this being used to supplement games like FPS's etc - in terms of head movement and other body shifts.

The fact that Kinect has NO controller means you have both hands free, nothing stopping devs allowing the std controller to be used whereas with Move you are stuck with move...

I totally never thought of that. Terrific idea. I hope some devs out there are listening.

duddut2 said,

...I can definitely see this being used to supplement games like FPS's etc - in terms of head movement and other body shifts.

The fact that Kinect has NO controller means you have both hands free, nothing stopping devs allowing the std controller to be used whereas with Move you are stuck with move...


<offtopic>
Now this is thinking outside the box. Could you imagine playing a FPS where the camera would watch your head. If you moved your head left or right then your character's head would move, maybe to dodge a fist, foot or bullet?
</offtopic>

dotf said,

I totally never thought of that. Terrific idea. I hope some devs out there are listening.

And what would the regular controller do while you are using Kinect? Aim, but you have to move your legs to move forward, back, etc? Come on now. Your idea certainly sounds cool, but in practice, I don't see it happening. Perhaps what sparty suggested would be more worthwhile, as in you could play with the controller, but the camera would track your body's position to be able to dodge attacks and such. That sounds much more feasible, and who hasn't caught themselves trying to dodge attacks coming their way in games even though they know that body motion in RL will do nothing?

spartyjohnson said,

<offtopic>
Now this is thinking outside the box. Could you imagine playing a FPS where the camera would watch your head. If you moved your head left or right then your character's head would move, maybe to dodge a fist, foot or bullet?
</offtopic>

I could imagine that, it would be ****ing annoying.

I like the improvement they're inferring you get from their "Blu-ray powered HD with up to 1080p" compared with just regular old "HD with up to 1080p"!

mattm591 said,
I like the improvement they're inferring you get from their "Blu-ray powered HD with up to 1080p" compared with just regular old "HD with up to 1080p"!
I laughed when reading that...It is ridiculous to name something "Blu-ray powered HD" lol

ajua said,
I laughed when reading that...It is ridiculous to name something "Blu-ray powered HD" lol

+1
The chart looks like Sony's desparate resume with padded credentials.

ajua said,
I laughed when reading that...It is ridiculous to name something "Blu-ray powered HD" lol

What they mean by that is you can get a LOT more content on the disk, while still being at 1080p.

25GB to 50GB of content is a lot more than 8GB.

andrewbares said,

What they mean by that is you can get a LOT more content on the disk, while still being at 1080p.

25GB to 50GB of content is a lot more than 8GB.

And if you download the content, 120gb is far more than BluRay.

.Rob said,
What a joke of a list.
And Sony knows it too - why do you think Kinect is on the right on this chart and not right next to Move? They know a straight-up side-by-side comparison with Kinect would make it even more obvious than it already is.

SiLeNtDeAtH said,
And Sony knows it too - why do you think Kinect is on the right on this chart and not right next to Move? They know a straight-up side-by-side comparison with Kinect would make it even more obvious than it already is.

Or because the Wii is a more direct competitor, since they use similar techniques to do motion control. It is a comparison after all, so it should firstly compare the things that are most similar.

The things that are listed as "no" for Kinect are hilarious.

Buttons
Built-In Rechargeable Batteries
Secondary Controller
Built-In Rechargeable Batteries
Wireless

That is the stupidest chart I've ever seen.

nowimnothing said,
The things that are listed as "no" for Kinect are hilarious.

Buttons
Built-In Rechargeable Batteries
Secondary Controller
Built-In Rechargeable Batteries
Wireless

That is the stupidest chart I've ever seen.

+1 it's stupid! You don't have buttons so ours is better
You don't have a secondary controller: makes ours better because we do.
You don't have rechargeable batteries: we do.

How is having these included make the product better?

But the problem is we are not the general public when it comes to these kind of things, generally the people on this forum have some kind of idea of the differences.

If you did not know anything about any of these you would probably pick the Sony simply because it does more according to this list.

That is exactly what this list was created for,it has done the job.

stevember said,
If you did not know anything about any of these you would probably pick the Sony simply because it does more according to this list.

Although it's not false advertising as strictly speaking the advert/list is true. It's definately misleading advertising.

nowimnothing said,
The things that are listed as "no" for Kinect are hilarious.

Buttons
Built-In Rechargeable Batteries
Secondary Controller
Built-In Rechargeable Batteries
Wireless

That is the stupidest chart I've ever seen.

Very convenient of Sony to use "No" where "n/a" should be used.

Can't wait for Microsoft to counter this BS.

stevember said,
But the problem is we are not the general public when it comes to these kind of things, generally the people on this forum have some kind of idea of the differences.

If you did not know anything about any of these you would probably pick the Sony simply because it does more according to this list.

That is exactly what this list was created for,it has done the job.


which is why someone should sue them for false advertising or something

Gothic_Rebel said,

+1 it's stupid! You don't have buttons so ours is better
You don't have a secondary controller: makes ours better because we do.
You don't have rechargeable batteries: we do.

How is having these included make the product better?

That may not make the product better; It only makes idiots think the product has more feature than others ,if those idiots only read "YES" and don't even think what that feature is.

What a BS list. Funny how they leave out "user replaceable batteries?", to which the reply is a big fat stinking NO.

Darrian said,
Who gives a **** if they're rechargable?
I DO.

I love my "power mat" charging pad for my Wii and 360. Just throw it on the pad and it charges. And it is universal between both controllers.

My PS3 controllers I have to physically plug into something. And woops! I forgot to charge it... ugh gotta use the USB cable to play. No just swapping batteries.

necrosis said,
I DO.

I love my "power mat" charging pad for my Wii and 360. Just throw it on the pad and it charges. And it is universal between both controllers.

My PS3 controllers I have to physically plug into something. And woops! I forgot to charge it... ugh gotta use the USB cable to play. No just swapping batteries.


How is that even a big deal? If you own a PS3 you must own more than one controller. When one dies, plug it in and use the other controller.

DPyro said,

How is that even a big deal? If you own a PS3 you must own more than one controller. When one dies, plug it in and use the other controller.

Your suggestion obviously only works if there are more controllers than players.
So if you play a game with 3 friends, will you still have enough controllers if batteries die on one of the used ones? I guess not.

dodgetigger said,

Your suggestion obviously only works if there are more controllers than players.
So if you play a game with 3 friends, will you still have enough controllers if batteries die on one of the used ones? I guess not.

Which is why you keep the charged in anticipation of people coming over.

DPyro said,

How is that even a big deal? If you own a PS3 you must own more than one controller. When one dies, plug it in and use the other controller.
I own a PS3. I have one controller. I'm single so there is no need for another one.

Also when devices are fully charged I like to "unplug" (take them off the charging mat) them.

And again. It is nice to have a universal device to charge all my things.

DPyro said,

How is that even a big deal? If you own a PS3 you must own more than one controller. When one dies, plug it in and use the other controller.

the PS3 is the easiest to make a controller change player... its a bitch on the 360 (having to press a button on the console) and Wii where you have to reset every goddamn controller.
on the PS3 is, what? PS button, arrow, click, arrow, click?

Gothic_Rebel said,
How does it make it better? Apart from the fact it's wireless?

What makes it better are the Buttons and Color-Changing Sphere! /sarcasm

Funny, they are covering up the fact that their motion control system requires additional hardware and batteries.

Totally BS list that doesn't even put "N/A" instead of "No"

thenonhacker said,

<strong>What makes it better are the Buttons and Color-Changing Sphere! /sarcasm

Funny, they are covering up the fact that their motion control system requires additional hardware and batteries.

Totally BS list that doesn't even put "N/A" instead of "No"</strong>

How are they covering anything up? They say "Buttons: Yes", implying that you need a controller, and they say "Secondary Controller: Yes". And they say that it has a camera. Read a bit, then comment.

andrewbares said,

How are they covering anything up? They say "Buttons: Yes", implying that you need a controller, and they say "Secondary Controller: Yes". And they say that it has a camera. Read a bit, then comment.

WTF, looks like we have Sony Employee here!

Comparing buttons onto Kinnect is an apples-to-orange comparison. Yet they placed "No", when it should have been "N/A".

They're saying: "ZOMG buy Sony Move, cuz we have buttons, rechargeable batteries, and a Color-Changing Sphere! You can't get those from Kinect!!! ROFLZZZZZZZ"

Tell you what, read the rest of the comments to better understand, k?

thenonhacker said,

Comparing buttons onto Kinnect is an apples-to-orange comparison. Yet they placed "No", when it should have been "N/A".

Why would they write N/A? It was the point of writing Buttons : yes / no. So a Move works with buttons, and a Kinect doesn't. Simple?

The bad thing actually is the shape of that question. They could have wrote "buttonless : yes / no" and the Move would have a No, a negative response. This report was all about giving positive responses to Sony's Move, but that question was indeed strange, because it's not an advantage to have buttons or not.

Anyways, I'll get some reviews and see some games before starting to ACTUALLY prefer one over another. The Wii controllers have been out for somewhere, and only a few valuable games have appeared, the majority sucks. I can't wait to see if the same phenomenon will apply to Move and Kinect...

thenonhacker said,

<strong>Blah Blah Blah</strong>

Posting in all bold looks dumb and ruins of the point of having bold text. Please don't do it.

thenonhacker said,

<strong>What makes it better are the Buttons and Color-Changing Sphere! /sarcasm

Funny, they are covering up the fact that their motion control system requires additional hardware and batteries.

Totally BS list that doesn't even put "N/A" instead of "No"</strong>

I think they put no, because there is no Japanese word for N/A we could understand. LOL

MisticRain said,
Extra updates on Sony list:

Microsoft Kinect:
* multiple users on one 'controller'
* No batteries required


Sony still kills, with or without it.