Steve Wozniak: Microsoft might be more innovative than Apple

Steve Wozniak, the legendary and outspoken co-founder of Apple, apparently feels that his old company might be stuck in a rut, and that Microsoft might actually be more innovative than Apple at the moment. Wozniak, who made an address at TEDxBrussels earlier this week, made his remarks in a new video interview conducted after his speech.

TechCrunch reports that Wozniak is starting to be worried that Microsoft is becoming more innovative than Apple. He added that he is so worried "... because I love Apple so much". He added in the video chat that he believes Microsoft has been working to create innovative products for the past few years, while Apple has just been improving previously released products such as the iPhone.

Wozniak even made mention of Microsoft's recently revealed voice recognition research, which translates spoken words into another language, as an example of how Microsoft might be more innovative than Apple.

Wozniak has never been shy about praising companies outside of Apple. Earlier this year, he said that the Windows Phone operating system was "intuitive and beautiful". We are still awaiting word on how he feels about Windows 8 and Microsoft's new Surface tablet.

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Do people feel superior/intelligent by ****ting on this guy? He is one of the most respected guys in the industry. He is accurate and to the point.

how hard is it for people to realize Wozniak isn't a sales guy, he's a hardware/software guy, he will tell what is going good in the hardware/software arena... not be a sales guy pushing for something he might not think is the best at the moment, he just cares what is the best at the moment in his mind.... Jobs on the other hand was a sales guy, you could give him a pile of crap and he's sell it like it was gold

The irony of Apple is that they aren't often the innovators - they follow but they're brilliant at making the technology fit the consumer when they do. Making technology do that is an art form in itself quite apart from inventing it.

I would have agreed if he had said "Microsoft is getting more innovative", but when compared to apple his statement is not correct. Microsoft is emerging but it has long way to catch apple.

The thiner and lighter the electronic devices get ... the fatter and piggier Steve Wozniak gets !

Is that related ? Really !

Well, hes right about innovation, apple just keeps on doing the same thing while MS if finally managing to come out the door with the WOW products.

But, i think ive read MS spends ALLOT more on R&D than apple -- Something apple should reverse or just fix. Especially with that large pile of money from the overpriced products.

I'm not a big fan of Apple, but have always been a fan of the Woz. He's making more sense than ever, he can move Apple forward.

MS' use of cloud sync is great! Hopefully app devs have an API to use to make it easy. Desktop themes across your tablet, lock screens, prefs, email app settings. I had to do a complete reinstall and it made life real easy.

The RDP app on the Surface RT with the Modern/Metro UI is a think of beauty and technically sound and optimized. The Empire is definitely striking back, kind of like Intel after AMD smacked them around for a bit.

Ah, another Wozniak article. If I ignore all comments so far, I'm going to guess they can be summed up as:

1) Griping that he's just some has-been whose opinion doesn't matter about anything.
2) Agreement.

Few things make people as passionate about their apathy as quoting this man.

Joshie said,
Ah, another Wozniak article. If I ignore all comments so far, I'm going to guess they can be summed up as:

1) Griping that he's just some has-been whose opinion doesn't matter about anything.
2) Agreement.

Few things make people as passionate about their apathy as quoting this man.


SO that's all you're gonna provide here?
Because your list obviously lacks 3) complain about either or both (1/2)

Thankfully, you just added it yourself by leading by example.

GS:mac

Glassed Silver said,

SO that's all you're gonna provide here?
Because your list obviously lacks 3) complain about either or both (1/2)

Thankfully, you just added it yourself by leading by example.

GS:mac

Best damn post I've read all day!

Glassed Silver said,

SO that's all you're gonna provide here?
Because your list obviously lacks 3) complain about either or both (1/2)

Thankfully, you just added it yourself by leading by example.

GS:mac


That's cute, but let's be anal about this. If you turn your reading comprehension switch on, you might catch two words in my post: "so far".

You can't include X in a set of n where n<X. Your adorable little jab happens to rely on doing so, so while it is--as I said--adorable, it's empty and just served to earn you a few brownie points with...what, people who don't like Steve Wozniak? Congrats. If you didn't notice, I wasn't exactly shooting for their +1s.

Joshie said,
Ah, another Wozniak article. If I ignore all comments so far, I'm going to guess they can be summed up as:

1) Griping that he's just some has-been whose opinion doesn't matter about anything.
2) Agreement.

Few things make people as passionate about their apathy as quoting this man.

How about, I don't complete agree with him, even on Microsoft out innovating Apple, as I think they have consistently created far more technology than Apple for the last 20 years.

(When the iPhone has a large chunk of Microsoft technology in it, Apple doesn't get a magical A+ because it wouldn't exist if Microsoft's ARM and GPU technologies didn't contribute to what Apple is using.)


However, Woz isn't stupid, he see both tech and consumer sides of things and he is entitled to his opinions and has a good track record of identifying when Apple is going off the tracks.

So whether we hate or love Apple, it might be a good idea to pay attention. Even if we just question what Apple is doing and decide we disagree with him.


Joshie said,

That's cute, but let's be anal about this. If you turn your reading comprehension switch on, you might catch two words in my post: "so far".

You can't include X in a set of n where n<X. Your adorable little jab happens to rely on doing so, so while it is--as I said--adorable, it's empty and just served to earn you a few brownie points with...what, people who don't like Steve Wozniak? Congrats. If you didn't notice, I wasn't exactly shooting for their +1s.


Belittlement, huh?
Very repetitive at that even. Very grown up of you!

GS:ios

Microsoft is probably one of the most innovative tech companies out there but being successful with those innovations is another matter.

Microsoft get far too much flak for not being innovative. They should be getting flak for not making the most of their innovations which is entirely different.

Of course they are more innovative! Apple's innovations can now be summed up to adding a fifth row of boring icons

Apple hasn't been innovative with anything since 2009 at the latest. Since then they've just been riding a wave of brand loyalty from their customers.

Lord Method Man said,
Apple hasn't been innovative with anything since 2009 at the latest. Since then they've just been riding a wave of brand loyalty from their customers.

Tbf to Apple they invented the consumer tablet market, before 2010 only a tiny number of tablets made their way outside of enterprise.

thealexweb said,

Tbf to Apple they invented the consumer tablet market, before 2010 only a tiny number of tablets made their way outside of enterprise.

No they didn't invent the market...they just expanded it.

Apple invented the tablet market with the Newton back in 1990! First commercial real tablet, not a DOS portable.

Shane Nokes said,

No they didn't invent the market...they just expanded it.

NeoPogo said,
Apple invented the tablet market with the Newton back in 1990! First commercial real tablet, not a DOS portable.

The Newton was a PDA, not a tablet. It debuted in 1993, not 1990.

At least you got the decade right

He tells the exact truth and people question his motives? I think his motive is to, in this case, tell the truth. What does Apple do that makes them innovative? As far as I can tell they've never invented a single thing, ever.

They do rehash things of theirs (that were never truly innovative) over and over again though.

I've taken to watching old apple keynotes in work on youtube during my lunch and it's interesting to compare how they did attempt to do something unexpected and superior with stuff like the iphone and macbook air unlike their more recent "efforts". Sure the iphone was EDGE when a lot of other phones were already doing 3G. The macbook air had no optical drive and a comedy price (cue Steve with the "Superdrive" for "ONLY $99") but devices then tended to at least have something about them that "led" the pack whether it was a superior screen, "thinnest" etc.

These days apple leads in nothing yet they still try to price at their ridiculous premium. They're obviously slow to notice their reputation and share price are diving because they just aren't cool any more. There are only so many times you can watch Jony Ive talk out of his ass about "fit and finish" without getting furious when the real devices come out of the box damaged. The last few iphones have had plenty of issues in both hardware design and software design. The iPad mini smacks of "holy ****, a segment of the market we slagged off for years is actually making money- quick! scrounge together some iphone parts and some ipad parts and mix it together!".

You could argue that Microsoft is only just getting round to doing what Apple has been doing for years. Running phones/laptops/tablets/PCs on the same OS and doing things like app stores and cloud services. The thing is, with Windows/WP8/surface it actually looks fresh and exciting. Apple just looks like the same 5 year old OS in the same black/white/silver shell. While Microsoft is flooding the TV with adverts showing off new devices and what you can do, all Apple can come up with is ad's showing off their "ear shaped earphones" as if they should be congratulated for the miracle innovation of actually making earphones that don't completely suck donkey balls.

Edited by Sandor, Nov 15 2012, 1:23am :

technikal said,
I've taken to watching old apple keynotes in work on youtube during my lunch and it's interesting to compare how they did attempt to do something unexpected and superior with stuff like the iphone and macbook air unlike their more recent "efforts". Sure the iphone was EDGE when a lot of other phones were already doing 3G. The macbook air had no optical drive and a comedy price (cue Steve with the "Superdrive" for "ONLY $99") but devices then tended to at least have something about them that "led" the pack whether it was a superior screen, "thinnest" etc.

These days apple leads in nothing yet they still try to price at their ridiculous premium. They're obviously slow to notice their reputation and share price are diving because they just aren't cool any more. There are only so many times you can watch Jony Ive talk out of his ass about "fit and finish" without getting furious when the real devices come out of the box damaged. The last few iphones have had plenty of issues in both hardware design and software design. The iPad mini smacks of "holy ****, a segment of the market we slagged off for years is actually making money- quick! scrounge together some iphone parts and some ipad parts and mix it together!".

You could argue that Microsoft is only just getting round to doing what Apple has been doing for years. Running phones/laptops/tablets/PCs on the same OS and doing things like app stores and cloud services. The thing is, with Windows/WP8/surface it actually looks fresh and exciting. Apple just looks like the same 5 year old OS in the same black/white/silver shell. While Microsoft is flooding the TV with adverts showing off new devices and what you can do, all Apple can come up with is ad's showing off their "ear shaped earphones" as if they should be congratulated for the miracle innovation of actually making earphones that don't completely suck donkey balls.


Couldn't have said better myself! I think the lack of Steve Jobs' leadership at Apple might be the reason for this, remember when Steve was ousted from the company before? Tim Cook seems to be more focused on getting $$ rather than making quality products! These past few years have been pretty horrible for Apple! The new products are selling because of the fame they gained.

This man is now my new hero.

I don't know, but this man should be the new CEO of Apple. PERIOD. I mean seriously. Apple would be ALOT better with this man in charge.

Tom-Helge said,
This man is now my new hero.

I don't know, but this man should be the new CEO of Apple. PERIOD. I mean seriously. Apple would be ALOT better with this man in charge.


Maybe not CEO, but deffo he'd be a good fit for an executive position way up there.
Hmmm, but maybe even CEO, yeah.

Case in point, I love that man.

Also, I think he's pretty much spot on (not having read the article yet, but I trust the headline this time around)
That's not to say Apple don't do anything, and certainly they do a lot what's not immediately appreciated, but I think they need to refocus on Mac and web services again.

Also, ffs, pick up the easy opportunity and release a gamepad/allow third parties to release some.
It's driving me nuts to have no tactile feedback.
This + mirroring to Apple TV would just be awesome.

Some more ideas, but they truly need to step it up in quite a few areas, but I'm hopeful they will eventually get working a little more.

Allowing some (unfortunately only some) of their employees to work 20% on own ideas might boost some genuine innovation, too.

I know it helps Google a lot.

GS:mac

Tom-Helge said,
This man is now my new hero.

I don't know, but this man should be the new CEO of Apple. PERIOD. I mean seriously. Apple would be ALOT better with this man in charge.

He's a very smart technologist and engineer. But he's never been a business leader, that was Steve Jobs' role.

There's no way Apple should replace Cook at the moment, as a business they're going from strength to strength - even if their current product iterations aren't as exciting. I can see a place for Steve Wozniak as a technology czar somewhere (a la Bill Gates/Ray Ozzie at Microsoft) but not as a CEO of a megacorp like Apple. I think he mainly just enjoys his $100m fortune.

Tom-Helge said,
This man is now my new hero.

I don't know, but this man should be the new CEO of Apple. PERIOD. I mean seriously. Apple would be ALOT better with this man in charge.

I would love to see him in a senior position or CEO role for Apple. It would be the smartest thing the company ever did. The odds of this actually happening is sadly quite low.

thenetavenger said,

I would love to see him in a senior position or CEO role for Apple. It would be the smartest thing the company ever did. The odds of this actually happening is sadly quite low.

CTO I wonder whether he would ever go to Microsoft or another competitor for the right role. Doubt it.

singularity87 said,

He's a very smart technologist and engineer. But he's never been a business leader, that was Steve Jobs' role.

There's no way Apple should replace Cook at the moment, as a business they're going from strength to strength - even if their current product iterations aren't as exciting. I can see a place for Steve Wozniak as a technology czar somewhere (a la Bill Gates/Ray Ozzie at Microsoft) but not as a CEO of a megacorp like Apple. I think he mainly just enjoys his $100m fortune.

Yeah, it's best to play to people's strengths...

So the guy that designed one great computer, got left behind at Apple and retired in the early 80s is still taking every opportunity to have a dig. Right or wrong, I do question his motives.

Garry said,
So the guy that designed one great computer, got left behind at Apple and retired in the early 80s is still taking every opportunity to have a dig. Right or wrong, I do question his motives.

Then you haven't followed him or his work. Even after getting screwed by Jobs, he has continued to be a major Apple advocate. When he has spoken out in the past about Apple, you will note, he was right, and his worries were right.

Apple has done what they are doing now twice before in their history, and ended up becoming irrelevant after soaring to the top of the tech industry.

They create an innovative line of products and a new market for the products and then dump everything they have into JUST those products, and people expect that Apple will continue to have a new generation of innovative products with new markets that never happens. This is where the spike, plateau, dive of Apple history always repeats itself.

As great or horrible you think iPod/iPhone/iPad are, they are the current 'boom' that created the Spike for Apple, and they got three generations of products out of it, but now are skidding hard towards the dive as they don't have another iPod or iPhone that can grab up a NEW MARKET.

It is just not possible for a tech company to 'create' new markets every few years, which is where Apple's success has always come from.

Go look at the financial history of Apple and their products. From the Apple II boom to the Mac Boom to the iPod/iPhone boom. After each of the products hit competition in the new market they created, Apple takes a dive.

In the 1980s, Microsoft was a tiny company in comparison to Apple, and then after the first boom/bust of the Apple II, it was Microsoft's Word and Excel that gave the Mac extended traction in the business world, and that still hit a dive. In 1997 Microsoft was giving Apple money and promising versions of Office for Mac to keep them alive, as they were still riding the Mac era, and almost dead. They revamped the Mac, got some traction, and then hit the iPod/iPhone/iPad boom and it is now coming to an end, as they can only add so many colors and cute buttons to these devices before the world stops noticing.

Microsoft has had spikes, but they have been rather smart about not creating a self imploding market for themselves when they do. Office, Windows, Xbox are all long term and self 'recreating' products with a huge market. (There are outliers, but the basis of Microsoft's financial stability is strong. Even poorly received versions of Windows hasn't hurt Microsoft, and won't because they can spin on a dime and flip out products like Windows 7.)

thenetavenger said,

Then you haven't followed him or his work. Even after getting screwed by Jobs, he has continued to be a major Apple advocate. When he has spoken out in the past about Apple, you will note, he was right, and his worries were right.

Apple has done what they are doing now twice before in their history, and ended up becoming irrelevant after soaring to the top of the tech industry.

They create an innovative line of products and a new market for the products and then dump everything they have into JUST those products, and people expect that Apple will continue to have a new generation of innovative products with new markets that never happens. This is where the spike, plateau, dive of Apple history always repeats itself.

As great or horrible you think iPod/iPhone/iPad are, they are the current 'boom' that created the Spike for Apple, and they got three generations of products out of it, but now are skidding hard towards the dive as they don't have another iPod or iPhone that can grab up a NEW MARKET.

It is just not possible for a tech company to 'create' new markets every few years, which is where Apple's success has always come from.

Go look at the financial history of Apple and their products. From the Apple II boom to the Mac Boom to the iPod/iPhone boom. After each of the products hit competition in the new market they created, Apple takes a dive.

In the 1980s, Microsoft was a tiny company in comparison to Apple, and then after the first boom/bust of the Apple II, it was Microsoft's Word and Excel that gave the Mac extended traction in the business world, and that still hit a dive. In 1997 Microsoft was giving Apple money and promising versions of Office for Mac to keep them alive, as they were still riding the Mac era, and almost dead. They revamped the Mac, got some traction, and then hit the iPod/iPhone/iPad boom and it is now coming to an end, as they can only add so many colors and cute buttons to these devices before the world stops noticing.

Microsoft has had spikes, but they have been rather smart about not creating a self imploding market for themselves when they do. Office, Windows, Xbox are all long term and self 'recreating' products with a huge market. (There are outliers, but the basis of Microsoft's financial stability is strong. Even poorly received versions of Windows hasn't hurt Microsoft, and won't because they can spin on a dime and flip out products like Windows 7.)

I'm not used to people posting intelligent, factual, interesting comments on front page news threads. I wish there were more users like you!

I said it in another thread but I'm slightly amazed at peoples willingness to slight Wozniak... purely, from what I can tell, because he was once something to do with Apple and is therefore tained by evil.

The guy is one of the fathers of modern home computing - regardless of how you feel about Apple or whatever weird fanboy issues you have, Woz's opinions on technology count. I like to hear what he has to say.

thenetavenger said,

Then you haven't followed him or his work. Even after getting screwed by Jobs, he has continued to be a major Apple advocate. When he has spoken out in the past about Apple, you will note, he was right, and his worries were right.

Apple has done what they are doing now twice before in their history, and ended up becoming irrelevant after soaring to the top of the tech industry.

They create an innovative line of products and a new market for the products and then dump everything they have into JUST those products, and people expect that Apple will continue to have a new generation of innovative products with new markets that never happens. This is where the spike, plateau, dive of Apple history always repeats itself.

As great or horrible you think iPod/iPhone/iPad are, they are the current 'boom' that created the Spike for Apple, and they got three generations of products out of it, but now are skidding hard towards the dive as they don't have another iPod or iPhone that can grab up a NEW MARKET.

It is just not possible for a tech company to 'create' new markets every few years, which is where Apple's success has always come from.

Go look at the financial history of Apple and their products. From the Apple II boom to the Mac Boom to the iPod/iPhone boom. After each of the products hit competition in the new market they created, Apple takes a dive.

In the 1980s, Microsoft was a tiny company in comparison to Apple, and then after the first boom/bust of the Apple II, it was Microsoft's Word and Excel that gave the Mac extended traction in the business world, and that still hit a dive. In 1997 Microsoft was giving Apple money and promising versions of Office for Mac to keep them alive, as they were still riding the Mac era, and almost dead. They revamped the Mac, got some traction, and then hit the iPod/iPhone/iPad boom and it is now coming to an end, as they can only add so many colors and cute buttons to these devices before the world stops noticing.

Microsoft has had spikes, but they have been rather smart about not creating a self imploding market for themselves when they do. Office, Windows, Xbox are all long term and self 'recreating' products with a huge market. (There are outliers, but the basis of Microsoft's financial stability is strong. Even poorly received versions of Windows hasn't hurt Microsoft, and won't because they can spin on a dime and flip out products like Windows 7.)

As usual, a very good post.

And I agree with Chicane-UK as well. I do not understand how some people can not give Wozniak the credit he is due...

Nashy said,
"How can I get people to care about me this week? Hmm, I know, I'll talk about Microsoft"

He was asked and he answered. Steve Wozniak is a pioneer of computers and a lot people respect his opinion because he always says what is really thinks, never tows a particular company line, not even Apple. He was actually positive about Microsoft's hard work in trying to innovate. If you don't care about this technology great then just move on to the next article, nobody forced you to click.

Simon- said,

He was asked and he answered. Steve Wozniak is a pioneer of computers and a lot people respect his opinion because he always says what is really thinks, never tows a particular company line, not even Apple. He was actually positive about Microsoft's hard work in trying to innovate. If you don't care about this technology great then just move on to the next article, nobody forced you to click.

I care about the technology. But Woz demands far more respect than he deserves IMO. If you don't like my comments, don't read them.

Nashy said,

I care about the technology. But Woz demands far more respect than he deserves IMO. If you don't like my comments, don't read them.

Now, I'm not an Apple fan or anything, but that statement is just absurd. Just about anyone should be able to appreciate Wozniak's contributions to technology, and those contributions deserve the respect he does get. Just take a look at patents he's been involved in and you might have a better understanding of his contributions...

M_Lyons10 said,

Now, I'm not an Apple fan or anything, but that statement is just absurd. Just about anyone should be able to appreciate Wozniak's contributions to technology, and those contributions deserve the respect he does get. Just take a look at patents he's been involved in and you might have a better understanding of his contributions...

Why do I care? He's just a guy who did great things. There are literally millions of people above him who's opinion wouldn't matter.