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Why Android is failing, iOS is doing OK and WP7 could save the day

Generally, if you write an opinion piece on a phone platform, you'll focus on one. This isn't a story to flame either platform, but to explore why I believe each platform has advantages to it, as well as disadvantages, and where I see these leading each in the future. As an avid HTC Legend user, which runs Android 2.1 by default, I'd like to share my current view on the smartphone market, and where it falls down.

Unless you've been hiding in a cave or under a rock, it's going to be clear to you that the Apple iPhone has been a huge success, despite there being numerous scandals, such as the iPhone 4 antennagate mess, the iPhone still came out on top. But why is it so popular? This comes down to a few simple elements;

  • Apple knows how to market the device, to make it "fashionable"
  • The iPhone looks good
  • iOS works well, is functional and easy to use
  • The iPhone always looks the same, no matter who you buy it from
  • The iPhone is a closed system so carriers can't change it, and there are no OEM's to interfere

From the beginning, Apple has chosen a position and stuck to it. They haven't moved from it, apart from small changes to policy, and haven't made changes that have confused their users. Obviously this is a generalization, and I'm sure there are flaws in this argument, but let's keep moving. Apple's closed policy does have a larger issue though, because the carriers can't really modify the devices, neither can the consumer. Sure,  you can change the wallpaper and move apps between screens, but what real customization is there?

If you jump to the Google Android side of the fence, you are submersed in a world where the entire OS is yours. A plethora of features and tweaks are at your fingertips, and you can even choose your own core experience -- the home screen -- from a range of different providers. All this customization is brilliant, but it makes for a tricky phone experience.

The phrase I would use to describe the amount of features and customizable options is that you can be "drowned in customizability." Sure, it's great at first to be able to change everything, but when push comes to shove, this makes for a harder upgrading experience too. If you purchase an Android device, you need to make sure it's running the right specs to use the software you want, and ensure it's got the right version (Shocker: Over 16% of Android devices on sale today are still running 1.6).

Google Android's problem right now is fragmentation. Carriers and OEM's are so blinded to their lust for profits and faster, newer devices that they neglect older Android devices (When I say old, even devices released in 2010 are not being updated) for the latest and greatest, and refuse to update older devices -- even if they are less than six months old -- and sure, you could argue that it's not actually guaranteed that you'll get the latest software for your phone when you buy it, and some of you may say "Anything extra you get is lucky," but this doesn't make any sense. 

On Apple's platform, because the hardware is ubiquitous and relatively the same across generations, you may see updates for 1, 2 or even 3 years yet. Apple enforces its hardware restrictions by making its own. This avoids fragmentation (to a degree) across older devices. Sure, the new applications might go slow on a older device, but at least you still have a shot at using them.

In addition to this, Android by default isn't overly attractive, so OEM's and Carriers decide that they're going to make it better by "improving" the experience. From this, you get products such as HTC Sense, Motorola Blur and Samsungs Touchwiz. Some are great, some aren't, but the point here is that once you slap these on, how does the end user even know what Android is?

Does Android really look like this? How would you know if you'd never used it before? If you hated this experience, does that mean you'll now hate Android because you don't know the difference? Probably.

Android is great because it's open, and it's relatively easy to develop, all you need is a capable computer. The Apple ecosystem is a little more tricky, as well as costly, as you need to own a Mac computer to be able to develop (Or, you could wander into Hackintosh territory) applications for the iPhone.

This is the point where I bring Microsoft and Windows Phone 7 into the equation. Windows Phone 7 is  the elephant in the room. Microsoft has been watching carefully what works and what doesn't, and its they have tried to build this into Windows Phone 7's core existence. Everyone is watching to see if Microsoft will fall flat on its face, or run ahead of the crowd.

With Windows Phone 7, you have a strict set of hardware, like the Apple devices, but you're able to get a device that looks different, and suits you (so that you aren't just another clone), but runs the same guts. You get the same Windows Phone experience, across a range of devices that can suit you. That way, if you do really hate/love the Windows Phone experience on your HTC device, you'll definitely hate/love it on all/most Windows Phone devices because the experience is consistent. 

Sure, the home screen might not look as "well rounded" or "appealing" as the Apple home screen, and might not offer the same customization as Android, but it offers a blend between the two. Customization, but with standards put in place. This stops the experience from being modified extensively by any third party, such as carriers, and allows the user to do what they will with it. Remember, that carriers can only install applications on Windows Phone 7 and pin these to the home screen, and these can easily be removed, allowing the consumer the control over the whole thing.

For the same reasons, Microsoft have been watching what is happening with Android and iOS with fragmentation, and have picked up ideas from them both. Windows Phone 7 tries to protect against fragmentation with it's strict hardware guidelines. It uses the mentality that Apple has currently, that if they bring out a new version of the OS, and an application is designed for the newer version, it'll still run on the older version, just slower or with less features.

A good example of this is if the iPhone 4 had a Skype application. Because the iPhone 4 has a front camera, you're able to use it. Now, even though the app was originally developed for iOS4, you can install it on the iPhone 3G if you like, but because it doesn't have a front facing camera, you can't use that part of the application. Microsoft say that an application only need be developed once for future updates of the platform, and will work across all devices.

Obviously, tomorrow Google could turn around and slap a strict set of hardware restrictions on Android 2.3 or 3.0, and the fragmentation could be solved, but there are other outlying issues with the platform, or Apple could turn around and let users put clocks and widgets on their home screens, because the market changes so quickly, but for those that are currently writing Windows Phone 7 off as a failure or not having a chance of taking on the current big players, I suggest you look at the issues objectively, opinions and allegiances aside, and compare the paths that the smartphone platforms are hurtling down. 

Competition is healthy, and I look forward to Windows Phone 7 bringing something fresh to the table.

Watch this space.

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no disrespect but this story sounds like it was written by a wp7/iphone fanboy. android is far from failing and i can easily see it taking over the market shortly, it's close anyways. another os i see making a big comeback is palm/hp with the new webos device and webos 2.0. i actually just bought another pre to play with.

You can update it yourself (rooting), if you're too lazy and/or stupid then Android isn't for you.

Apple already designs phones for the lazy and/or stupid people.

A better title might be "Where Andriod is failing...." since that wouldn't fly in the face of current predictions. Otherwise good article.
edit - Actually, reading the whole title it wouldn't fit as well. Oh well.

In my opinion you have failed to look at another major aspect of the argument.
The phones will not sell well unless they came carrier subsidised. Look at how Nokia struggled in US without carrier support. That being said, I think WM7 might not make over that hurdle too well unless they open the platform to be more carrier frendlier.

iPhone has never had to do that, because it has been locked on one carrier from the start. If it does go to other carriers it will not matter in short run because the demand is still there. But I would not be surpised if say year after it goes multi carrier we start seeing carrier customizations and such.

Android unfortunatly is too open and yet closed enough for it own good. Too open cause it can be customized easily, by user and carriers so it can be adopted, but closed enough that you will not get consistant experience. Different launcher apps on the market do a great job of bridging the gap though.
On the other hand the carriers and manufacturers can lock in many things with device for example I can not remove many applications that are part of Sense such as friend stream. Even worse is that the paid apps are not available worldwide, nor I can access fully the android marketplace from PC.

I disagree with Mr. Spoon. Gadgets are like what cars were to Americans in middle last century, you cared whether she was a Chevy or Olds? V8 or V6?. Apple or Google? 5 or 8 megapixels?

The main problem with Windows Phone 7 is that it has skipped, in Steve Ballmer's words, not one, not two, not three but four cycles (iPhone4) that is the handicap that will require herculean efforts to overcome.

Huh?

Read it as an article, not as the Bible.

But then you must remember the FACTS:

I would suggest that:
> Most comsumers don't care/know what their phone is running
> Most comsumers want a PHONE that looks nice. For instance, I have a Sony Ericsson W880i, but I have no idea what it is running and don't really care.
> Android is climbing fast due to the availability of it. 2 years ago, it didn't really exist.
> iPhone will fall as more alternate devices exist.
> WP7 will be good for companies and business users, but will simply be a very nicely polished alternative, not the next best thing.

All this is is we have more choice now. Like I say, my SE 880i is running some sort of OS but I have no idea what it is.

I think Android is the future. Sure a lot of phones still come with 2.1, but you can simply root alot of devices with ease and put on 2.2 if you really want to. Best of all - its legal and free!

Depends on whose point of view you are taking: Google/Android's or the cellular company's. Cellular companies are selling more phones, so I guess that mean's success.

Seriously who paid this joker to write this drivel? This Owen Williams character is completely out of touch with reality and hasn't a clue where the market is nor where it's heading.

I'm sick of one article saying one thing, then another article saying different. How about some FACTS?. Oh here's a fact: Android is getting stronger everyday. There.

I highly disagree, and I only had to read the title. This article holds a vastly different opinion than the trend that's been observed in the last 6 months.

Raa said,
I highly disagree, and I only had to read the title. This article holds a vastly different opinion than the trend that's been observed in the last 6 months.

That says it all. Read the article instead of the title...!

Good read. Solid points made on all the OS's. Where people might be missing something is that iOS isn't just on the iPhone. So Apple is still very dominant in the mobile OS war. Apple ships more iOS devices than Android devices (and WP7 devices when its released).

The title may be misleading and butthurt-fanboy inducing, but the article raises good points. I enjoyed reading it. I hope WP7 does do well. When I was looking for a new phone for the school year, I really wanted an Android but had to 'settle' for an iPhone (oddly the only smartphone available in my province at the moment), but I don't regret it. I just hope Android, iOS, Windows all make a great competition. It's the only way to really make strides!

radwimp said,
The title may be misleading and butthurt-fanboy inducing, but the article raises good points. I enjoyed reading it. I hope WP7 does do well. When I was looking for a new phone for the school year, I really wanted an Android but had to 'settle' for an iPhone (oddly the only smartphone available in my province at the moment), but I don't regret it. I just hope Android, iOS, Windows all make a great competition. It's the only way to really make strides!

Thanks, appreciate the comment . I look forward to the competition. I also love the opening line of your comment, made me lol.

I loved this, great job on writing it. Too bad that most people (obviously) do not read it, but start foaming on their mouth as words "Android" and "failing" in the same sentence.

There is a lot of things that will play out in this space over next year or two. People seem to forget that Android was nowhere 2 short years ago. If someone said "iOS is failing" 2 years ago, you'd get the same reaction. Ultimately though - it is the experience that makes or breaks this market. IMO (having used an Android 2.2 phone for a while) - there are leaps and bounds that Android has to make still.

Additionally, "failing" can be taken in different ways. Android is indeed failing on the utopia of "everyone has the same OS and updates, across many devices". It is failing on fragmentation like WinMo failed on it too. It is NOT failing in sales numbers right now, but to me - it is more of a proof that alternatives are really bad rather than Android providing great experience. We'll have to see how this plays out with Android 3.0, Windows Phone 7 etc. But if fanboys feel like Android cannot indeed FAIL in few short years, they are fooling themselves.

I think a lot of kids that reply on this topic to defend the OP are just apple fanboys and they need to stop sucking Steve Jobs "apple" and get over the fact that Android is whopping everyone (Talking on facts and statistics)

If you notice, Google never makes any marketing through commercials. It is mostly HTC or DROID(by VERIZON) that do that.. And if you notice they show on the commercials ( in a more watered down explanation) what great stuff you can actually do..

If you really look at what Apple markets in THEIR commercial is mostly GAMES! Because jeez, i gotta admit apple does have the BEST games for their phones.. Now is that really a way to market a smartphone? the fact that it can play all these games ? Why don't you buy a PSP then ?

I saw the latest iphone commercial was advertising the screen..... REALLY APPLE? The Screen ? When the HTC Evo and Samsung have much better one?

Apple fanboys should quit crying and look at the facts. Google > Apple. (In any aspects)
Hell even most Tablet makers are putting Android on their tablets. FACTS

PsilocybeCubensis said,
I think a lot of kids that reply on this topic to defend the OP are just apple fanboys and they need to stop sucking Steve Jobs "apple" and get over the fact that Android is whopping everyone (Talking on facts and statistics)

If you notice, Google never makes any marketing through commercials. It is mostly HTC or DROID(by VERIZON) that do that.. And if you notice they show on the commercials ( in a more watered down explanation) what great stuff you can actually do..

If you really look at what Apple markets in THEIR commercial is mostly GAMES! Because jeez, i gotta admit apple does have the BEST games for their phones.. Now is that really a way to market a smartphone? the fact that it can play all these games ? Why don't you buy a PSP then ?

I saw the latest iphone commercial was advertising the screen..... REALLY APPLE? The Screen ? When the HTC Evo and Samsung have much better one?

Apple fanboys should quit crying and look at the facts. Google > Apple. (In any aspects)
Hell even most Tablet makers are putting Android on their tablets. FACTS


I think the problem is that there's no definitive smartphone platform to "rule them all"

I don't think the title of the article is accurate. Saying Android is "failing" would mean that it's on the same path as the Microsoft Kin. Yes, the Android arena is fragmented and that needs to be addressed. But, Android is already a giant success with the sheer growth it's had.

I'm actually hoping Microsoft gets a similar amount of success with it's upcoming Windows Phone 7 offering. Competition is good, and from what I've seen with WP7 it might be what I want to go after next year when my 2-year contract is up.

apple makes nice looking phones and a lot of people love them no matter what they do or look like - because they are apple

android is the alternative for people who want an open phone, and who hate apple

windows 7 phone will fail because it is not IOS or android and they are too late into the game.. it feels like they did it purely because they wanted a slice of the action, not because they wanted to do something special

Android is gaining market because it's CHEAP - I got my Samsung Galaxy S for free on contract for £19 a month from Orange - Thats nearly half the price of an iPhone 4 on an similar contract.

I think hardware/firmware fragmentation is a BIG problem for Android. When I first got my Galaxy a month ago I was ****ED to find no Google Earth app, no Skype app, no Pay Pal app etc. All apps my friends had that I could not install as they were not "not found" on the market on my handset. There were also a couple of paid-for apps I wanted to buy but these were also not available either so I downloaded illegal copies instead.

It turns out the firmware my phone came with was not approved by Google and I had to flash my phone to get full access to the market but there are a LOT of people with similar problems on the Google forums that don't know how to fix it.

If I have to find a warez site to download FREE apps there's definitely something wrong somewhere! The app store should NOT be limited depending on your country or firmware version - The same handset on two different networks should not show different apps for download on the app market but that's the way it goes I guess...

My Galaxy is now rooted and running custom firmware and I do love it but until teh app store gets sorted, it's no match for a a jailbroken iPhone - Especially with the range and quality of iPhone apps compared with Android...

(Sorry for the rant I'm a little bitter still! LOL!)

hektik said,
Android is gaining market because it's CHEAP - I got my Samsung Galaxy S for free on contract for £19 a month from Orange - Thats nearly half the price of an iPhone 4 on an similar contract.

I think hardware/firmware fragmentation is a BIG problem for Android. When I first got my Galaxy a month ago I was ****ED to find no Google Earth app, no Skype app, no Pay Pal app etc. All apps my friends had that I could not install as they were not "not found" on the market on my handset. There were also a couple of paid-for apps I wanted to buy but these were also not available either so I downloaded illegal copies instead.

It turns out the firmware my phone came with was not approved by Google and I had to flash my phone to get full access to the market but there are a LOT of people with similar problems on the Google forums that don't know how to fix it.

If I have to find a warez site to download FREE apps there's definitely something wrong somewhere! The app store should NOT be limited depending on your country or firmware version - The same handset on two different networks should not show different apps for download on the app market but that's the way it goes I guess...

My Galaxy is now rooted and running custom firmware and I do love it but until teh app store gets sorted, it's no match for a a jailbroken iPhone - Especially with the range and quality of iPhone apps compared with Android...

(Sorry for the rant I'm a little bitter still! LOL!)

Android is cheap but also better than the alternatives!

The Desire has so many more features then the iPhone (I have owned both) and it's a lot cheaper to boot

In addition to this, Android by default isn't overly attractive

Subjective

so OEM's and Carriers decide that they're going to make it better by "improving" the experience.

No, they make it _different_ because of:
-branding
-because they can

If iOS would allowed such customization carriers would change the experience just as much

k7of9 said,

Subjective

No, they make it _different_ because of:
-branding
-because they can

If iOS would allowed such customization carriers would change the experience just as much


It's an opinion piece.

If fragmentation isn't an issue and I am a game developer which version software/hardware combo do I write for? Right now many people say Android is messy and I am sure this will change in the future. The phone market is nothing like the PC market. I doubt any one hardware or software or service provider is going to dominate.

Google are already working on the fragmentation by putting core Android apps (Gmail so far) on the Market, so that people can continue to get updates if they're running older versions of the OS.

Also, I believe that Google is planning to only allow the native UI of Android 3.0 to be used? At least that's what I've read on various tech news websites.

Networks taking an age to release updated firmware? Buy sim free..

That's three of the big fragmentation issues solved/to be solved in the near future... any more?

@Owen Williams Here are a few punctuation issues that I noticed:

"This comes down to a few simple elements;" - This should end with a colon. A semi-colon is used to join two independent clauses together without having to use a conjunction.

"and there are no OEM's to interfere" - There's no need for an apostrophe there unless you want to make OEM possessive. A simple "OEMs" will do just fine.

"Windows Phone 7 tries to protect against fragmentation with it's strict hardware guidelines." - Here's another example of an unnecessary apostrophe. "Its" is possessive. "It's" is a contraction of "It is".

"Obviously, tomorrow Google..." - That is one long run-on sentence. Interestingly, the last three paragraphs of this story comprise single sentences, which progressively get shorter.

bj55555 said,
@Owen Williams Here are a few punctuation issues that I noticed:

"This comes down to a few simple elements;" - This should end with a colon. A semi-colon is used to join two independent clauses together without having to use a conjunction.

"and there are no OEM's to interfere" - There's no need for an apostrophe there unless you want to make OEM possessive. A simple "OEMs" will do just fine.

"Windows Phone 7 tries to protect against fragmentation with it's strict hardware guidelines." - Here's another example of an unnecessary apostrophe. "Its" is possessive. "It's" is a contraction of "It is".

"Obviously, tomorrow Google..." - That is one long run-on sentence. Interestingly, the last three paragraphs of this story comprise single sentences, which progressively get shorter.


Please us the report issues button

Fragmentation is not really an issue so people need to get over that. Many devs produce the newer OS for older phones. Hell, i had Froyo running great on my myTouch first gen.

And the title of this "news" article is crap.

The funny thing is Android is in the same position as was windows mobile. Its hugely fragmented market. I am disappointed that OEM's tend not upgrade at the same time. This is likely not to be the case with windows phone 7, since MS is doing the updates. Apples main problem is its only on one carrier but this is likely not to be the case next year. The point is things are going to be different next year.

Marcus16 said,
Thanks Neowin!
And I mean thanks for taking away any of the reasons I had to read the news articles on Neowin!

It's an editorial, not news. There is a difference.

I am a Microsoft fan and have been one for years. However, I feel that a lot of people are putting too much into Windows Phone 7. Given Microsoft past history with the mobile business, I don't ever see Windows Phone 7 passing the iPhone or the Android. Microsoft needs to realize that they have disappointed a lot of current Windows Mobile fans including myself by not doing anything to support its current customers. By the time they come out with this phone, the competition has moved onto other projects. Matter of fact, they are already getting off to a bad start by just making the phone exclusive to AT&T and T-mobile this year. Verizon and Sprint will not get it until the first half of next year. You would have to be stupid to not realize that Verizon and Sprint is part of the top 3 wireless providers in the country.

Let me paraphrase the OP for those of you jumping to the bottom comments to post a reply; "Android is mean to muh Applez and I look forward to WP7 to have something else to bash, a MS product no less, instead of *trying* to make Android look bad which has just been a losing battle."

yep android fail from the beginning i might buy iphone and i might buy windows phone 7 but i wouldn't buy android phone

If your a geek you want something that highly customizable...If your a normal personal you want something that just works. If Windows phone 7 gets on all the carriers in us it will be just as successful as android. People are going to be upgrading. I think the games on wp7 are going to be big differentiators.- Much better then any that I have seen on Android to-date.

Melfster said,
If your a geek you want something that highly customizable...If your a normal personal you want something that just works. If Windows phone 7 gets on all the carriers in us it will be just as successful as android. People are going to be upgrading. I think the games on wp7 are going to be big differentiators.- Much better then any that I have seen on Android to-date.

Theres a point where customizing is detrimental to how the phone operates. Agreed about games, the top game on Android is... Abduction. Which, admittedly is fun, but really?

Owen Williams said,

Theres a point where customizing is detrimental to how the phone operates. Agreed about games, the top game on Android is... Abduction. Which, admittedly is fun, but really?

- Fruit Ninja
- Need for Speed
- Robo Defense
- Your usual games like chess/solitaire/bejewelled/wordsearches/mahjong/etc
- Online poker games

That's loads for Android!

Hardcore Til I Die said,

- Fruit Ninja
- Need for Speed
- Robo Defense
- Your usual games like chess/solitaire/bejewelled/wordsearches/mahjong/etc
- Online poker games

That's loads for Android!


Have you SEEN the WP7 games? Makes Android games look like DOS games

Windows will save the day? Just like KIN saved the day? No, I have to agree with the general consensus of the comments of the users responding. The author of this article is somewhat off base and presents very little rationale facts to support his opinions. If I didn't know any better, I would swear he's an investor in a competing product. Android is taking the industry by storm. Apple is well aware of the threat.

The biggest advantage Android has is price, the phones can be a lot cheaper. It has no competition at the moment so its market share will continue to rise for now just like Symbian did. The iPhone is still too expensive for the average consumer to justify. The majority simply don't care about the OS.

ashpowell said,
Android is not failing at all - Its growing super quick

Growth doesn't mean it's good. Windows Mobile was growing quick too.

Owen Williams said,

Growth doesn't mean it's good. Windows Mobile was growing quick too.

Still, 'Failing' is not the word I'd use..

Owen Williams said,

Growth doesn't mean it's good. Windows Mobile was growing quick too.

but Its not failing now! You mentioned in the article that Android is failing.

Owen Williams said,

Growth doesn't mean it's good. Windows Mobile was growing quick too.

A product doesn't see growth at an exponential rate like Android if it's not good.

bluefisch200 said,

Symbian?

Symbian was the best option available for a number of years for a lot of people. Nokias were available in all flavours; they have their photography phones, their media phones, their big tablet-style phones, their power user phones, etc etc.

Nokias are available EVERYWHERE and there's such a wide selection that everyone can afford one.

Also, Nokia's usually have excellent hardware, and are often the best at being an actual PHONE. I love my HTC Desire but my Nokia 5800 was better at being a phone, I must admit.

Owen Williams said,

Growth doesn't mean it's good. Windows Mobile was growing quick too.

So, in your opinion it is not good? Anyway it's YOUR (insignificant) opinion.

What a finely written, poorly thought out piece. The logic just fails. Let me summarize, "I don't like things that allow me to customize. I want things spoon-fed to me so it's always the same, all the time, and it'll always be the same for ever and ever." Was this really written by a technical person or some technical person's mom? You're also using Android 2.1 as your sole reference. 2.2 has been out for a while and Gingerbread may be out before Christmas. Way to be cutting edge there Owen.

For a failing platform, Android sure seems to be doing rather well.

On another note, what percentage of iPhones/iPods are running iOS 4?

People would buy a bag of dog crap if it had an Apple logo on it, that's why. It makes them trendy and hip. As for the Android this is the first time I've heard anyone say it's failing; probably because it isn't.

LOL. Read other comments. There are so many flaws in the article it is not worth reading.
To be honest, I'm pretty shocked you put this up there. Neowin is generally of quite a high standard and I'm actually a little disappointed. I've been an avid reader of your site for 9 years and this is the 1st BS article I've come across.

I don't think the author was bashing the android but pointed out what will be a serious flaw in the very near future. Android's platform reminds me of the original PocketPC Windows released against Palm. It was far superior at the time and could practically do anything. It was good when it started but the same open platform idea in the end became a nightmare. Android is on the same path so unless they do add restrictions and try to make the platform more consistent, they are going to suffer the same fate as Windows Mobile. I haven't used Android that much and it does seem to be a good, working platform but you can see where it's heading. We've seen it before.

Good read, & I liked that you included "Apple knows how to market the device, to make it "fashionable""... In a nutshell, with apologies if it offends anyone since that's not my intent, Apple markets products -- MS tends to market potential & tools. Because it markets products, Apple can sell image to a market willing to pay more for it. Their products generally work well, & can most often be used out of the box -- I know folks who do well with their iPhones, but have loads of trouble with Windows PCs/laptops/netbooks. OTOH Microsoft & products using their software sell to a larger market with or over a huge price range, most often with the emphasis on what you can do, how you can customize or engineer your ideal solution... the downside is that when you give the potential, the freedom for greatness, you also hand people the tools for total, abject failure. Combine that with very different marketing philosophies -- Apple markets to the top half of the pyramid, while much of their competition markets to the very diverse base. Where Apple puts all their resources into a product & says in effect: "This is it", other companies split development over several 50 or 75% solutions, saying pick the one that suits *you*.

Google tries to do Microsoft, better. Where MS is slow & sometimes lumbering, Google is nimble & fast. MS gives users freedom, but built on top of the tech they already have -- that means a lot more constraints. Google doesn't have so many constraints. If there were a scale, MS would be sitting towards the end with gov bureaucracy, with Google in the opposite direction, the one heading towards anarchy. More freedom to succeed = more freedom to fail. Both Google & MS are consciously trying to move towards the center -- we'll see how far they make it. ;-)

mikiem said,
Good read, & I liked that you included "Apple knows how to market the device, to make it "fashionable""... In a nutshell, with apologies if it offends anyone since that's not my intent, Apple markets products -- MS tends to market potential & tools. Because it markets products, Apple can sell image to a market willing to pay more for it. Their products generally work well, & can most often be used out of the box -- I know folks who do well with their iPhones, but have loads of trouble with Windows PCs/laptops/netbooks. OTOH Microsoft & products using their software sell to a larger market with or over a huge price range, most often with the emphasis on what you can do, how you can customize or engineer your ideal solution... the downside is that when you give the potential, the freedom for greatness, you also hand people the tools for total, abject failure. Combine that with very different marketing philosophies -- Apple markets to the top half of the pyramid, while much of their competition markets to the very diverse base. Where Apple puts all their resources into a product & says in effect: "This is it", other companies split development over several 50 or 75% solutions, saying pick the one that suits *you*.

Google tries to do Microsoft, better. Where MS is slow & sometimes lumbering, Google is nimble & fast. MS gives users freedom, but built on top of the tech they already have -- that means a lot more constraints. Google doesn't have so many constraints. If there were a scale, MS would be sitting towards the end with gov bureaucracy, with Google in the opposite direction, the one heading towards anarchy. More freedom to succeed = more freedom to fail. Both Google & MS are consciously trying to move towards the center -- we'll see how far they make it. ;-)


Thanks for your comment, agreed

Yes Android numbers look great and are gaining in terms of market share. However is this just based on a lack of options offered by the carrier? Meaning if the iPhone or Windows Phone 7 devices are available will all of the people buying Android phones today still chose Android tomorrow?

What I believe the writer was also trying to point out is that Apple and Microsoft (still yet to be seen) have focused heavily on the "complete" user experience where Google has only focused on the phone. This is where Palm also focused their efforts and it has cost them dearly.

Don't underestimate the value of Apple's iTunes and it's ease of use. On the same note if Microsoft delivers on what is the idea behind Windows Phone 7 with Zune and XBox Live integration this "could" be a major turning point for them. Clearly they also need support from 3rd party developers to develop apps or that will be a non-starter. Which from the discussions on twitter (#WP7 or #WindowsPhone) there looks to be a lot of excitement from developers.

With the formally announcement of Windows Phone 7 coming Monday Oct. 11th and the on-going rumors of the iPhone coming to other US based carriers, the next year will tell us a lot of who has made the right decisions.

I like the comment on the WP7 home screen. I don't often see anyone bring it up, but every time I look at it, I'm utterly disgusted. It just looks incredibly dull, and I'm not very hard to please at all...

dead.cell said,
I like the comment on the WP7 home screen. I don't often see anyone bring it up, but every time I look at it, I'm utterly disgusted. It just looks incredibly dull, and I'm not very hard to please at all...

I think once you use it and customize it you will see it differently. It is actually pretty fun and useful. A great way to show info and entertain at a glance.

Your games can show things like updated photos and when it is your turn or your record is broken, your weather will show a graphic of the weather, your friends will show their latest info, stocks will show latest value, horoscopes will change based on the day, Entertainment tiles will show latest photos and news and so forth. When I look at all three together the Windows Phone 7 home screen feels so much more personal and alive, I think it will surprise you

I did not read all of posts on this subject matter....so I will simply put in my 2 cents. There are various phones to choose from these days. So why did I choose the Sprint HTC EVO 4G? Pricing was my number one reason. I'm not being forced to pay extra for data and text plans as ATT rules the iPhone market. I pay one price for EVERYTHING with Sprint...all you can eat. The only extra fee ($10.00) is for 4G which is not available in this area yet. Overall it was still much cheaper with the Sprint than ATT (phone price and plan). The next thing that swayed my in the direction of Android was the ease of rooting (Jailbreak for iPhone) the phone for customization. I'm running a different ROM with a CPU Tweak that made a big difference in performance and battery life. The battery is removable which is great if you need to swap out after heavy usage or need a replacement. No taking the phone apart, taking to a dealer, or shipping out for replacement. Overall I must say....I like the Droid better. It's all about what you like....Ford or Chevy.....PC or MAC.....the list goes on and on. In this particular case, it just made sense to stick with Sprint...and I'm glad I did.

Lil Joey said,
I did not read all of posts on this subject matter....so I will simply put in my 2 cents. There are various phones to choose from these days. So why did I choose the Sprint HTC EVO 4G? Pricing was my number one reason. I'm not being forced to pay extra for data and text plans as ATT rules the iPhone market. I pay one price for EVERYTHING with Sprint...all you can eat. The only extra fee ($10.00) is for 4G which is not available in this area yet. Overall it was still much cheaper with the Sprint than ATT (phone price and plan). The next thing that swayed my in the direction of Android was the ease of rooting (Jailbreak for iPhone) the phone for customization. I'm running a different ROM with a CPU Tweak that made a big difference in performance and battery life. The battery is removable which is great if you need to swap out after heavy usage or need a replacement. No taking the phone apart, taking to a dealer, or shipping out for replacement. Overall I must say....I like the Droid better. It's all about what you like....Ford or Chevy.....PC or MAC.....the list goes on and on. In this particular case, it just made sense to stick with Sprint...and I'm glad I did.

Now ask your sister to do the same thing you did with your phone and see if she's capable. Android party is about to be over!

Lil Joey said,
I did not read all of posts on this subject matter....so I will simply put in my 2 cents. There are various phones to choose from these days. So why did I choose the Sprint HTC EVO 4G? Pricing was my number one reason. I'm not being forced to pay extra for data and text plans as ATT rules the iPhone market. I pay one price for EVERYTHING with Sprint...all you can eat. The only extra fee ($10.00) is for 4G which is not available in this area yet. Overall it was still much cheaper with the Sprint than ATT (phone price and plan). The next thing that swayed my in the direction of Android was the ease of rooting (Jailbreak for iPhone) the phone for customization. I'm running a different ROM with a CPU Tweak that made a big difference in performance and battery life. The battery is removable which is great if you need to swap out after heavy usage or need a replacement. No taking the phone apart, taking to a dealer, or shipping out for replacement. Overall I must say....I like the Droid better. It's all about what you like....Ford or Chevy.....PC or MAC.....the list goes on and on. In this particular case, it just made sense to stick with Sprint...and I'm glad I did.

Now ask your sister to do the same thing you did with your phone and see if she's capable. Android party is about to be over!

Lil Joey said,
I did not read all of posts on this subject matter....so I will simply put in my 2 cents. There are various phones to choose from these days. So why did I choose the Sprint HTC EVO 4G? Pricing was my number one reason. I'm not being forced to pay extra for data and text plans as ATT rules the iPhone market. I pay one price for EVERYTHING with Sprint...all you can eat. The only extra fee ($10.00) is for 4G which is not available in this area yet. Overall it was still much cheaper with the Sprint than ATT (phone price and plan). The next thing that swayed my in the direction of Android was the ease of rooting (Jailbreak for iPhone) the phone for customization. I'm running a different ROM with a CPU Tweak that made a big difference in performance and battery life. The battery is removable which is great if you need to swap out after heavy usage or need a replacement. No taking the phone apart, taking to a dealer, or shipping out for replacement. Overall I must say....I like the Droid better. It's all about what you like....Ford or Chevy.....PC or MAC.....the list goes on and on. In this particular case, it just made sense to stick with Sprint...and I'm glad I did.

Now ask your sister to do the same thing you did with your phone and see if she's capable. Android party is about to be over!

CarlDilone said,

Now ask your sister to do the same thing you did with your phone and see if she's capable. Android party is about to be over!

Unrevoked - 1 click root access

I gotta say that from a developers viewpoint this article hits a lot of issues I struggle with. Basically by updating my apps to take advantage of the newest features I am leaving a lot of users behind. It is very frustrating and difficult to make apps for the Android community that work well across all hardware and OS's.

Even branded apps like the official Twitter or Bing are only available to certain users. It is a terribly inconsistant experience.

And the homescreens drive me crazy. There is no way that I can truly make a Widget that matches the OS or users themes because who actually knows what the OS or resolution for that matter will be.

Lastly privacy is a big issue for me as a user. I don't trust android with my data. The OS technically belongs to the OEM but in reality no one is responsible for it. It is mish mash of technologies and patents thrown together without a single source to call in when there are problems. Do you really trust HTC to come to our rescue and patch holes in Android when a virus spreads? They probably wouldn't even know where to start.

I know Android is the flavor of the month right now but it is hard to look at it over the long term when it really has no focus or foundation. I could be wrong, but I feel that all it will take is one outbreak that will ruin consumer confidence in a major brand like ATT or HTC and everyone will be scared to use it due to the fact they will have no one to go to for help or a source they can lay the blame and count on to fix it.

It is one thing to miss out on apps because your phone is a few months old but it is another thing to be left vulnerable to threats because OEM's are unable to update your phone and have no one to help them to do so.

the title doesnt give this thread justice.

I thought it would be slating android but gives its pros and cons, the title is a little bit deceiving!
still i agree with everything said

Other than the fact that half of the comments here seem to be of a level of stupidity I haven't seen in a while.. God forbid there be problems with their phone of choice.

I know at least a dozen people who who went from iPhone 2/3's to Android, only to go back to their old phone after a few months.. In fact the only people I know of what went to Android and are happy are ones that came from Symbian, Blackberry's, etc..

Say what you will about Apple and the iPhone, when you buy it you Know it's gonna be locked down and your options will be limited. When you get Android you expect it to be open and the like, but that's not always the case, it's device/provider specific as to what they have done and if they even let you make mods to the system..

I've used a bunch of phone, BB's, WinMo6, Android, and iPhones.. I'm happy with my iPhone.. Sure I'd love to be able to customize it a little more, but that's a small price to pay for the Quality of the phone and the iOS. It's snappy as was said by someone above, you aren't always waiting for your phone to wake up or any nonsense like that. It's got a very easy to use UI, sure there are other ways to do it, but Apple's work, some phones/OS's not so much.. Sure I've Jailbroken it a few times, but in the end there is nothing I would miss if I couldn't..

Now maybe there are Android phones that are as good. I don't know. I haven't used any that are. And there in lies the problem. You don't KNOW what you're getting when someone says Android. You might be getting the greatest thing, or you might get an underpowered phone that is as responsive as Vista on a Pentium 2..

Google need to bring the Manufactures and Providers in line. You can't advertise it as having an Open OS then lock the phone so you can't change half of the stuff.

Ryoken said,

Google need to bring the Manufactures and Providers in line. You can't advertise it as having an Open OS then lock the phone so you can't change half of the stuff.

I approve of this message

Andriods problem is the fact they let the Carrier dictate what can and cant be done... example is verizon locking the search to bing on some models... or disableing certain apps inplace of their pay for use app or getting rid of the android app store and using their own proprietary
one

The article is correct except I wouldnt really just say they watched the other 2, remember Wm6 had the very fragmentation issue with some experiences being brilliant and others awful it just depended on who you bought from. I suspect Apple actually watched wm and saw the problem there.

Another steaming pile of Neowinian Apple fanboi nonsense. I can get enough of this blatant and bent-over applenut kissing on engadget or somewhere else. Hasn't apple paid enough you guys enough that you can retire this nonsense and get back to writing current and relevant tech articles?

I think you should have defined what you mean by Android is failing. I know the only purpose of the title is to get people to read the article but still.

The regular customer doesn't give a damn about operating systems. People buy products. People buy iphones, droid X, Evo 4g, BlackBerry Bold.... People don't buy iOS, Android or Blackberry os. iphones are all the same because they are all iphones. Droid X are all the same, and when there is an update they are all upgraded and they are still all the same.
If you are a geek you are more into the software so you care about the os. Google is here to make sure Android evolves and get better. the android differentiation added by OEMs and phone companies doesn't impact the next release of android. A real fragmentation would be if there was 2 new releases of android from google. Sense blur and co are just a little bit of free style between each product but people just care about one product, the one they bought.

I can't even read symbian without piuking. symbian is dead and is an awful OS for this days. Blackberry is open but it only shines because of the Pin that everyone thinks is free SMS.

in my opinion i don't know what will be my next phone. i loved my 3G i love my 3GS and maybe the next would be an i4. I really like android. but i wan a sell phone made by Google, just like the Nexus One. but it is ugly compared to an iPhone.

I Don't care if iPhone is Close since that make it clean. i can still install things with Cydia if i want so that i snot a problem for me

ADSfull said,
I can't even read symbian without piuking. symbian is dead and is an awful OS for this days. Blackberry is open but it only shines because of the Pin that everyone thinks is free SMS.

in my opinion i don't know what will be my next phone. i loved my 3G i love my 3GS and maybe the next would be an i4. I really like android. but i wan a sell phone made by Google, just like the Nexus One. but it is ugly compared to an iPhone.

I Don't care if iPhone is Close since that make it clean. i can still install things with Cydia if i want so that i snot a problem for me

You can't install anything from Cydia without Jailbreaking your phone, and that is never a guarantee with each firmware update. Not an issue in Android as it allows installation from other sources.

wrong title !
Android is gaining, iOS is failing, WP7 - no need to talk about it at all - dead on arrival

Daan said,
wrong title !
Android is gaining, iOS is failing, WP7 - no need to talk about it at all - dead on arrival

That's what I also thought...

Daan said,
wrong title !
Android is gaining, iOS is failing, WP7 - no need to talk about it at all - dead on arrival
Source on iOS failing? XD

Daan said,
wrong title !
Android is gaining, iOS is failing, WP7 - no need to talk about it at all - dead on arrival

WRONG AGAIN MONKEY BOY!

Funny. I was smart enough to buy a Nexus One-no upgrade worries for me. Also, Google is aware of fragmentation and is planning on removing all shells for Gingerbread-at least so I hear. Apple's iOS is as stale as they come. People enjoy Apple because they make "dumb" products for computer ignorant people. Remeber when people bought Mac Books for Garage Band lmao. Suddlenly everyone was a DJ. You can't even have WIDGETS in iOS! All the apps act as isolated islands.

I will always enjoy customizing my phone aka OPTIMIZING (installing custom ROMS, having fun) my phone. I'm not an ignorant user who needs my hand held.

W7phone looks promising. Hubs acting as super widgets. Cosmetics of the UI could be better. How can iOS even compare?

APPLE IS FOR DUMB USERS WHO LIKE CUTE AND TRENDY PRODUCTS. Seriously go buy a Volkswagen while you're at it.

Seriously,if that's the case why iphone exceeding their prediction sale every quater and without that freaking phone maybe WP7 won't even emerge for the world thanks to apple innovation!

Jmaxku said,
APPLE IS FOR DUMB USERS WHO LIKE CUTE AND TRENDY PRODUCTS. Seriously go buy a Volkswagen while you're at it.

And you're an idiot.

Seriously, you've just said that every person who owns an Apple product is dumb and buys technology based only on what they think is "cute" or "trendy" at the time. As a Mac owner who uses an Android phone and writes software which runs on *nix for a living, I think I can safely class myself as not being in your defined category. Therefore, you are incorrect.

tomjol said,

And you're an idiot.

Seriously, you've just said that every person who owns an Apple product is dumb and buys technology based only on what they think is "cute" or "trendy" at the time. As a Mac owner who uses an Android phone and writes software which runs on *nix for a living, I think I can safely class myself as not being in your defined category. Therefore, you are incorrect.

I can appreciate Mac computers for users who actually thrive with the OS--the design community for instance. But iPhones and Ipads? Please. It's all about trend setting and marketing the Apple brand. I have plenty of friends who only know Apple, and are at the mercy of the Apple logo. "It's not an iPhone I don't care." They don't know the specs, capabilities, and limitations of their product. They just know that it's Apple. They're ignorant to the competition. Apple TV looks useless, but many will buy into it. And regardless of the reasons you choose Apple, this is how most Apple consumers and consumers in general buy their products. Apple just abuses the hell out of it. Good for them.

Jmaxku said,
And regardless of the reasons you choose Apple, this is how most Apple consumers and consumers in general buy their products. Apple just abuses the hell out of it. Good for them.

I largely agree with you, though as a former iPhone user I'd contest that it is genuinely a good product/ecosystem if you're comfortable with Apple having so much control (I certainly wasn't).

Nonetheless, making sweeping generalisations like "APPLE IS FOR DUMB USERS" serves only to antagonise those about whom you make assumptions.

I am looking forward to trying the WP7, also just posting this to see if 40 is the magic number to turn it into a hot topic

craybox said,
I am looking forward to trying the WP7, also just posting this to see if 40 is the magic number to turn it into a hot topic

Well i used to have iPhone, got a lot of limitations If you dont know how to jailbrake install cydia repositories etc, i got bored of the process of upgrade on ios (waiting for good ppl to find a exploit to jailbrake it and on and on, so I receive as a gift a little phone LG GW620 running android 1.5 was really great and fast and I start digging and LG decided not to upgrade the phone to 2.1 and is a phone model released at 2009 finals, so there ppl making mode for your device can run froyo like openetna with the LG GW620 , I ended buying a HTC desire and upgraded to froyo, is really a fast OS and got flash on the web browser, but I know that Windows phone would have the same problems because when carriers customize the ios or boot screens in mobile devices with the modded Rom they have to pay their ppl to make a modded upgrade, and they preffer not like lg

well I live in Colombia and all the smartphones Here r really expensive, if you want to buy an iPhone with the carrier that got the distribution in Colombia you can find the 3gs on 600US dollars and the iPhone 4 ON 900US dollars plus voice and data plan, most iPhone users here buy it overseas and do the jailbrake+unlock tutorial

One issue that I've experienced working for a Telco is that there is so much fragmentation on the hardware side of the Android ecosystem in addition to the software side. A low quality screen on an under-powered handset will destroy a persons faith pretty quickly, and there are many such devices in existence.

iMonkey said,
One issue that I've experienced working for a Telco is that there is so much fragmentation on the hardware side of the Android ecosystem in addition to the software side. A low quality screen on an under-powered handset will destroy a persons faith pretty quickly, and there are many such devices in existence.

Agreed, I think at least there needs to be a res limit

Android fragmentation is bull****. Recent numbers showed that most of Android devices are running 2.1 now. And soon a lot more will get 2.2. If your handset maker don't update your cellphone software the OS is not to blame, the device maker is. HTC devices, the ones lunched in 2010 will all get 2.2 as far as I Know. I own a Legend with 2.1 and the update should be comming soon (Since they also announced a Black Legend with 2.2 out of the box).

And even if my Legend wouldn't be updated, it's fine, it runs everything well and smooth. It's only recent the fashion to update software on cell phones. 2 Years ago we would buy a phone and stay with it's crappy faulty self-made OS till the phone died.

Android is not as fragmented as some people want to make it. The only thing I don't like about Android is a bit of inconsistency in the UI. Apple iOS is way better in that sense. Talking about Sense, Android with Sense is way better than the Stock. If Android would have Sense "feeling" it would be a lot better experience for Android users. But Android 3 will come with a UI facelift, most probably taking advantage of the guy that went to google from WebOS.

Your missing one "bullet" point. When I pick up an Iphone, ( I don't own one) the thing that strikes me was not how it was "marketed" to me. What strikes me HARD is that when I put my finger down, it reacts, IMMEDIATELY. I'm not waiting waiting waiting for something to happen. And I'm not pushing pushing pushing with my finger to make it work. ITS FAST, and it's EASY. It markets itself when you pick it up. Shame on MS for missing the obvious for so long. First time I saw that browser pinch and zoom my jaw dropped. I was embarrassed for MS.

Time to stop playing catch up and start innovating. Make something that's better than the other guys. Stop trying to match them. I'm so looking forward to this MS phone. We better see updates 4 times a year on this thing man. THAT would impress me.

I think you mean "Why Android implementation is failing ......" Almost all of the problems you mention are vendor related (i.e not updating from 1.6, no standard hardware ect). These are not inherent faults with the Android OS just in their uses of it.

Also you make no mention of the fact that Android is the fastest evolving of the three as a plus. Yes the number of versions and customisations is a problem however it is still in its infancy but has come a long way in a very short time. Just how long did it take iOS to get multitasking again?

monkey13 said,
I think you mean "Why Android implementation is failing ......" Almost all of the problems you mention are vendor related (i.e not updating from 1.6, no standard hardware ect). These are not inherent faults with the Android OS just in their uses of it.

Also you make no mention of the fact that Android is the fastest evolving of the three as a plus. Yes the number of versions and customisations is a problem however it is still in its infancy but has come a long way in a very short time. Just how long did it take iOS to get multitasking again?


Yes, they are vendor problems, BUT... you can't say that it doesn't matter. Google could step up to the plate and force carriers not to ruin the experience.

Owen Williams said,

Yes, they are vendor problems, BUT... you can't say that it doesn't matter. Google could step up to the plate and force carriers not to ruin the experience.

However in doing that you would ruin the very nature of Android. It's open source and part of the open handset alliance. Closing it off, setting system specs, and controlling vendor implementation goes against everything it aims for. This could also kill the rom community if each version of Android was coded, released and controlled only for specific hardware, networks etc. Which is how I'm able to run 2.1 on my Hero.

If you look at how quickly, apart from the fragmentation issues, Android has become a serious competitor to iOS it is amazing and certainly not failing. Look at RIM and the blackberry OS (which as the third major phone OS should have probably been included) its no real feature competitor for iOS or Android but has an established business/email market and has evolved little.

Lets not forget, the guy who was working with HP for WebOS is now a part of google, lets see google brings next and i dont see anything changing for iOS in the future either......Windows phone will be a success if the developer community will really get in to it and develop apps.....either way good to know that we have choice and consumers will be benefited with all the competition.

My problem with Android is that it leaves devices behind a bit too fast, I'm not planning to buy a new phone every 6 months

Rudy said,
My problem with Android is that it leaves devices behind a bit too fast, I'm not planning to buy a new phone every 6 months

Then ask yourself: do you really need the latest and greatest software?

At the moment, there's not really anything that I desperately want on my HTC Desire running Froyo that I can't do already.

When Gingerbread comes out, if I can update that's great, but if not then Froyo does everything I need anyway.

Not really, you could just root, and then you would have access to newer versions in the form of custom ROMs in a matter of days instead of waiting for the manufacturer or carrier to update it.

Rudy said,
My problem with Android is that it leaves devices behind a bit too fast, I'm not planning to buy a new phone every 6 months

This is one of my points

Its clear that Android is gonna be next Windows Mobile..were fragmentation and OEM/Carriers cr(apps) made it go down, along with no way of complete revamp..
WP7 & iOS stands good for avoiding these issues...
On other hand Symbian/BlackBerry , they have little time to catch up..

guruparan said,
Its clear that Android is gonna be next Windows Mobile..were fragmentation and OEM/Carriers cr(apps) made it go down, along with no way of complete revamp..
WP7 & iOS stands good for avoiding these issues...
On other hand Symbian/BlackBerry , they have little time to catch up..

guruparan said,
Its clear that Android is gonna be next Windows Mobile..were fragmentation and OEM/Carriers cr(apps) made it go down, along with no way of complete revamp..
WP7 & iOS stands good for avoiding these issues...
On other hand Symbian/BlackBerry , they have little time to catch up..

IMO fragmentation has very little to do with a platform's success. A good chunk of people are still using that 8-year-old windows xp and no, Windows is not failing. A good system now is a good system years later. WM fail because it's slow and unresponsive and buggy (from my experience). It's born ugly it stays ugly and now microsoft has no choice but to do a complete revamp. So far WP7 looks promising!

guruparan said,
Its clear that Android is gonna be next Windows Mobile..were fragmentation and OEM/Carriers cr(apps) made it go down, along with no way of complete revamp..
WP7 & iOS stands good for avoiding these issues...
On other hand Symbian/BlackBerry , they have little time to catch up..

Windows Mobile failed because it was crap, not because it was fragmented. It was almost never updated, no Market, no improvements, it was slow and buggy. That is why it failed. The Interface was crap also. Android UI is not perfect, but its way better than WinMO. Android 3.0 will set new standards for mobiles that want to use it. Minimum requirements, new UI, so a lot of what you said will change.

I don't understand how can anyone say what will happen to a so Dynamic Market like the Mobile Market for sure. No one knows if WP7 is going to be successful or not, didn't even came out. Nor anyone knows if Android will be around in some years. Or how the iOS will evolve to stay on top. Right now Android is gaining terrain to iOS, that is what we know.

guruparan said,
Its clear that Android is gonna be next Windows Mobile....

That's good news. it means we're one step closer to Android becoming the next Windows Phone 7.

By this, I mean they'll realize that there is a nifty codebase at the core, but the experience requires an overhaul.

The way I see it is that Google is happy for the moment because Android is a run away success. This will continue for the foreseeable future, at which point they will start to lock down the user experience to introduce consistency. Google has already made indications that they will be locking down aspects of the user interface, so this isn't just pure speculation.

Android is alive and doing well because it took what WinMo had and made it better by going open source stealing and disrespecting intellectual properties. Right now, it is competing against itself in this category (fragmentation anyone?). This Microsoft can take it as an advantage to recover the share it has lost.
In my opinion, WP7 is bringing the best online integration services such as XBox LiVE, ZUNE Market Place, Office, SkyDrive, and Facebook. These are the kind of things the majority of people want. I'm not talking about people who are geeks who only want phones to mess with.
Whoever says Microsoft is late and that Google will dominate must be on crack. It is cell phones we're talking about. Something people change all the time. All Microsoft needs to do is make sure these integrated services work consistently and they will soon have mindshare.

I really don't think that Microsoft understands the phone market at all. Instead they're forcing through a controversial UI to garner attention, rather than listening to what the market wants and responding. No doubt it will be more popular than their current offerings but that really isn't saying much. More important to its success will be their abuse of patent litigation to scare off manufacturers.

It uses the mentality that Apple has currently, that if they bring out a new version of the OS, and an application is designed for the newer version, it'll still run on the older version, just slower or with less features.

A good example of this is if the iPhone 4 had a Skype application. Because the iPhone 4 has a front camera, you're able to use it. Now, even though the app was originally developed for iOS4, you can install it on the iPhone 3G if you like, but because it doesn't have a front facing camera, you can't use that part of the application.

Owen, you should look at the wording of these sentences because it is misleading. It reads as though an app designed for iOS4 will work on an iOS3 device, when it clearly won't. Rather the point I think you mean is that Apple has made iOS4 available for older devices where possible. This happens less (officially at least) with Android phones, due to fragmentation.

I experienced android 1.5 and it sucked on HTC Hero - even android 2.1 isn't great. If you rise to the top and get 2.2 and above, and run it on 1GHz system its perfect.

It adds that 'little' bit to make the system flow better. Everythings instant. I Enjoy android customizations, the direct tie-in to your google account for easy restore, and the FREE applications that apple charged lots of $ for - if they even existed (guitar tuner, FTP server, FTP client, barcode scanner, file manager, video players, instant messengers, wardrive, etc)

Just - I donno.. The price of android devices compared to that of their iPhone is the main selling reason.
Like, which would you choose? - Heres the 1GHZ HTC Desire, has a full SLCD touchsceen phone that has a larger screen than the iPhone 4. It also has user-upgradable memory via microSD and a removable/replaceable battery. The phone connects using common cheap USB cables for data and charging, and also its 1/2 the price of an iPhone on the same agreement.
Oh, yes - the marketplace isn't as good as the iPhone marketplace, but its gaining ground and most of the apps are cheap or free. Yeah, you don't need any software installed on your computer or even need a computer, as you can manage it via google accounts or via file manager over wifi/3G/bluetooth/USB - it is also Flash friendly and will connect easily with linux systems.

android is totally failing tho... totally

Ruciz said,
Oh, yes - the marketplace isn't as good as the iPhone marketplace, but its gaining ground and most of the apps are cheap or free.

You say that as if having a marketplace of free or super cheap apps is a good thing. If users of the phone are not going to put their hands in their pocket for apps then the platform will fail to attract professional developers and the quality of apps will never rival equivalent (paid for) apps of other platforms. Don't you think developers deserve to get paid decently for the time they put in to produce an app?

I say this as a pro developer (by day) who is currently dabbling in iOS development (by night), so it's just my opinion but I suppose it must be representative of other developers out there looking to branch into the mobile market.

Incidently WP7 developer subs are more expensive than apple developer, and there is a restriction on the number of free apps a WP7 developer can publish, where apple has no limit so I expect the WP7 marketplace to more closely match the App store than androids equivalent.

Great article...it just shows the reality and why Android will be the next Windows Mobile if Google will not change something...and iOS, well it's nice for some users but not everyone likes it and if you don't like one phone with iOS you have no other option...WP7 is the best from both worlds and i will buy a device...

bluefisch200 said,
Great article...it just shows the reality and why Android will be the next Windows Mobile if Google will not change something...and iOS, well it's nice for some users but not everyone likes it and if you don't like one phone with iOS you have no other option...WP7 is the best from both worlds and i will buy a device...

Thanks, I appreciate that some read through the whole thing

Im going to reiterate a point here guys, it's an editorial on User Experience, Fragmentation, End User Experiences and Design.

Step back and look at the devices coming out for each OS listed, ask yourself about the user experience. Yes people will still buy a cheap phone if it runs like crap and people will still buy an expensive phone if it's the "in thing"; that's not what is being discussed.

Think before you respond guys.

enigma-penguin said,
Im going to reiterate a point here guys, it's an editorial on User Experience, Fragmentation, End User Experiences and Design.

Define what you mean with those four phrases though - software? hardware? What's an 'end user experience' versus a 'user experience'? All sounds great but establish the boundaries!

enigma-penguin said,
Step back and look at the devices coming out for each OS listed, ask yourself about the user experience. Yes people will still buy a cheap phone if it runs like crap and people will still buy an expensive phone if it's the "in thing"; that's not what is being discussed.

Think before you respond guys.

..and think about the title - all people have responded too is a (IMHO) poorly chosen title (well OK it's good for site hits) which implies failure on Androids part (and yet as people are pointing out it powering up in retail month on month) which doesn't really correlate with reality. Obviously things like 'user experience' aren't working out too badly for the masses since they're buying them like mars bars at the POS

Ultimately fragmentation (and again, which context? OS, hardware, both?) is inevitable - you can limit that to a degree but it's an absolute certainty on any platform. Apple has that, WP7 will have that (as soon as gen 2 devices ship, or sooner) and so does Android. The question is whether any of it's actually bad enough to deter sales. I guess the answer with Android is a big no (at least right now). You can mitigate it through control to a degree - but even on the most tied down platform (Apple) you've got disparities in hardware spec and OS versions. Personally i'm not convinced MS can avoid this either - look again when we're at gen 3.

Remember, a phone isn't for life - it's a flash-in-the-pan toy for most on contracts and carriers are always going to be interested in getting you to upgrade on any platform.

As for WP7 - perhaps reading your own article on what carriers are already up to (and HTC) might provide a counter view

Ooh I doubled up on user experience there so that's actually the same thing. As for the title. If people are stopping at the title I think that says enough about the quality of a response based upon it.

I'll also note that I did not expressly limit fragmentation to one OS/company (let's consider this to be a software issue, given carrier and manufacturer support), so please do not put words in my mouth. I do however agree as I stated, that none of the above is actually really going to affect sales, as you rightly say "they're buying them like mars bars at the POS" and in a world of readily available consumer electronics we can be very fickle.

I do however disagree with your take on contracts, the system differs in every country and in a lot of places it's 24 months lock in. For a lot of people that's enough time to at least think about the device they get stuck with.

Lastly, I didn't write the article, but I'm sure the writer took note of your view. This kind of response is what we're after though dangel. You read the article and you structured a thought out response, so please don't take this as any kind of rebuke as I applaud you.

I'm not sure I would necessarily describe the iPhone's home screen as well rounded and appealing. Colourful seems to be a better description as there's nothing really useful there but a grid of colourful icons. In comparison, both Android and WP7 allow me to see upcoming appointments on my homescreen but I need to go to the trouble of opening an app to do that on an iPhone.

XeonBuilder said,

My Samsung Epic's screen would rival the iPhone screen for sure. Ive seen them both side by side and the epic's screen really pops vs the iPhone. I do think that iPhone still has the edge in the app department. But nothing else.

Looks wise I gotta give it to Samsung. Not only is the screen beautiful but its 4"

I'm not a huge fan of TouchWiz but I agree that bigger is better when it comes to screens. The latest iPhone might have a high resolution screen but 3.5" is just way too small IMO.

Pointless article, the kind of person who will want and get android has taken the time to look in to the options available and gets the phone as they want all this customisability.
People who just want to be trendy by an Iphone and they are wanting a phone to show off with but not really tinker with, and everyone is hanging on the see what WP7 can do when it is released.
Androids options are what make it so good

The Average Joe has his own opinions. My sister's friend said she had a Windows Phone before and how it was so crappy and had problems and to stay away from it. Also the woman's boyfriend points out Windows gets all sorts of viruses, and he would never touch a Windows Phone.

Also, so many people get Droids now-a-days and these are the same people with no technology common sense. My sister's boyfriend has a Droid and had an update for it, he blindly accepted it and his phone was doing all sorts of **** because it was updating, he didn't understand and took the battery out and it still did it, finally it came back for him. I thought he was an imbecile for doing such a stupid thing, like come on it's updating you don't take the battery out while it's updating idiot.

So for calling previous Windows Mobile phones 'Windows Phones' was bad. Because they represent a completely different operating system, but Windows Phone 7 is a completely new beast.

Android is very limited to the Average Joe, this person matters most. The advertising for Windows Phone 7 better be good.

Teebor said,
Pointless article, the kind of person who will want and get android has taken the time to look in to the options available and gets the phone as they want all this customisability.
People who just want to be trendy by an Iphone and they are wanting a phone to show off with but not really tinker with, and everyone is hanging on the see what WP7 can do when it is released.
Androids options are what make it so good

Tell that to the people who had no clue that the G2 can't be rooted... they wanted to be trendy and buy the latest and greatest from the Google OS because "Google is so cool" Google is turning into Apple in that regards. Walk around a college campus ask people why the use the phone they have. Ask someone with the iPhone and they will say because its cool and looks good if they are being honest. Its the exact same response you get from Andriod users on a college campus. Very few people actually know how to do much with either system other than install applications from the app stores. Hate to burst the bubble of the tech world, but we don't decide what is a failure and what isn't, the uninformed consumer that follows trends, not facts and statistics, decides.

ILikeTobacco said,

Tell that to the people who had no clue that the G2 can't be rooted... they wanted to be trendy and buy the latest and greatest from the Google OS because "Google is so cool" Google is turning into Apple in that regards. Walk around a college campus ask people why the use the phone they have. Ask someone with the iPhone and they will say because its cool and looks good if they are being honest. Its the exact same response you get from Andriod users on a college campus. Very few people actually know how to do much with either system other than install applications from the app stores. Hate to burst the bubble of the tech world, but we don't decide what is a failure and what isn't, the uninformed consumer that follows trends, not facts and statistics, decides.

If you're going to bother replying, at least have the decency to know what you're talking about. Google is not the one who chose to add the chip into the G2. That was TMobile and HTC who decided to take this route. Google had nothing to do with the decision to lock down the G2.

ILikeTobacco said,

Tell that to the people who had no clue that the G2 can't be rooted... they wanted to be trendy and buy the latest and greatest from the Google OS because "Google is so cool" Google is turning into Apple in that regards. Walk around a college campus ask people why the use the phone they have. Ask someone with the iPhone and they will say because its cool and looks good if they are being honest. Its the exact same response you get from Andriod users on a college campus. Very few people actually know how to do much with either system other than install applications from the app stores. Hate to burst the bubble of the tech world, but we don't decide what is a failure and what isn't, the uninformed consumer that follows trends, not facts and statistics, decides.

Except....Google didn't add that security measure in.

LiquidSolstice said,

Except....Google didn't add that security measure in.

So you are saying Google did not approve of the G2 hardware at all and said don't use it? The terms of use in the Android OS don't say anything against locking down the system at all do they? Google knew that this would eventually happen and let it without saying a word so they are just as much at fault. Stop being Google sheep and think about who has the ability to stop what happened and choose not to.

nekkidtruth said,

If you're going to bother replying, at least have the decency to know what you're talking about. Google is not the one who chose to add the chip into the G2. That was TMobile and HTC who decided to take this route. Google had nothing to do with the decision to lock down the G2.

If you are going to bother replying, have the decency to read comments in context. Apple phones are popular because they are trendy. Google phones are just as popular because they are just as trendy. In case you didn't know, Google reserves the right to decide what can be done with the platform and they choose not to stop TMobile and HTC from doing it. Complacency doesn't not absolve guilt.

ILikeTobacco said,

If you are going to bother replying, have the decency to read comments in context. Apple phones are popular because they are trendy. Google phones are just as popular because they are just as trendy. In case you didn't know, Google reserves the right to decide what can be done with the platform and they choose not to stop TMobile and HTC from doing it. Complacency doesn't not absolve guilt.

I read it in context. Just because you failed to convey your message clearly doesn't mean I didn't read your comment. Be more specific next time and you won't be challenged because you've made incorrect statements. Regardless of how you choose to spin it, Google did not make the decision, nor was it their responsibility to stop the decision in the first place. If you want to attack Google for something the manufacturer/carrier did, you're welcome to do so. But that doesn't make it fact or correct for that matter.

nekkidtruth said,

I read it in context. Just because you failed to convey your message clearly doesn't mean I didn't read your comment. Be more specific next time and you won't be challenged because you've made incorrect statements. Regardless of how you choose to spin it, Google did not make the decision, nor was it their responsibility to stop the decision in the first place. If you want to attack Google for something the manufacturer/carrier did, you're welcome to do so. But that doesn't make it fact or correct for that matter.

Again stop being google sheep thinking they have no say in the matter because they are always innocent. google can stop it and are choosing not to still or did i miss a post somewhere saying google stepped in to fix it?

ILikeTobacco said,

Again stop being google sheep thinking they have no say in the matter because they are always innocent. google can stop it and are choosing not to still or did i miss a post somewhere saying google stepped in to fix it?

*looks around* I don't see any sheep. Unless you were referring to me, in which case you would be incorrect. I'm no sheep. If you want to continue blaming Google, that's entirely up to you but you would of course be pointing the finger at the wrong party. Google is absolutely correct in staying out of this as there is no need for them to jump in. This was strictly a decision between the manufacturer and the carrier. Why would Google want to publicly paint itself as someone who interferes with manufacturers/carriers? That would be far more damaging than what they're doing now. Staying out of it like they should. Put the blame where it belongs. No one cares about your apparent hatred of Google.

Exactly, people don't read everything, it had so much more in the article than just sales.

It's about Android's fragmentation and how fragmentation affects the Average Joe's thoughts on the phone.

It's about how iOS does not have fragmentation, how every app is available to every device with maybe some features taken out for older devices, but how you can recognize them all.

It's about how the Windows Phone 7 platform reflects Microsoft's observations on this and has made the new platform adapt so every phone is unique but there isn't any fragmentation either.

It's not all about fragmentation, but about the Average Joe's view regarding these mobile platforms. But even then, it still affected by Android's fragmentation, and iOS with no fragmentation. Average Joe sees every iPhone the same, but every Android phone is different for him and he can't point all the Android phones out or even know they run Android. He had a Droid, but he might not know other phones might also be capable of running his purchased apps.

iOS is restrictive and Windows Phone 7 will be up there with iOS too. But we will just have to see how great the platform is, and how well they advertise it. It definitely can't be a trainwreck like Kin though, that's out of the question.

Electric Jolt said,
Exactly, people don't read everything, it had so much more in the article than just sales.

It's about Android's fragmentation and how fragmentation affects the Average Joe's thoughts on the phone.

It's about how iOS does not have fragmentation, how every app is available to every device with maybe some features taken out for older devices, but how you can recognize them all.

It's about how the Windows Phone 7 platform reflects Microsoft's observations on this and has made the new platform adapt so every phone is unique but there isn't any fragmentation either.

It's not all about fragmentation, but about the Average Joe's view regarding these mobile platforms. But even then, it still affected by Android's fragmentation, and iOS with no fragmentation. Average Joe sees every iPhone the same, but every Android phone is different for him and he can't point all the Android phones out or even know they run Android. He had a Droid, but he might not know other phones might also be capable of running his purchased apps.

iOS is restrictive and Windows Phone 7 will be up there with iOS too. But we will just have to see how great the platform is, and how well they advertise it. It definitely can't be a trainwreck like Kin though, that's out of the question.

You said it spot on for me. I got the same take on this article and I think he's mostly correct.

All the Android fan boys are jumping on this topic but I see his perspective that it's "failing" because of the fragmentation. And I agree with that. But I also think it's going to continue to get better, if they can get a grip on the hardware specs.

Electric Jolt said,
Exactly, people don't read everything, it had so much more in the article than just sales.

It's about Android's fragmentation and how fragmentation affects the Average Joe's thoughts on the phone.

It's about how iOS does not have fragmentation, how every app is available to every device with maybe some features taken out for older devices, but how you can recognize them all.

It's about how the Windows Phone 7 platform reflects Microsoft's observations on this and has made the new platform adapt so every phone is unique but there isn't any fragmentation either.

It's not all about fragmentation, but about the Average Joe's view regarding these mobile platforms. But even then, it still affected by Android's fragmentation, and iOS with no fragmentation. Average Joe sees every iPhone the same, but every Android phone is different for him and he can't point all the Android phones out or even know they run Android. He had a Droid, but he might not know other phones might also be capable of running his purchased apps.

iOS is restrictive and Windows Phone 7 will be up there with iOS too. But we will just have to see how great the platform is, and how well they advertise it. It definitely can't be a trainwreck like Kin though, that's out of the question.

I would claim the fragmentation actually affect us "geeks" a lot more, we know about it and actually care, to the average joe their smartphone is really just their new phone that happens to do twitter too...

In my opinion (you see it says "my opinion"? yea so keep flames away ) android isnt failing, far from, it's a great phone os, as a smartphone, well maybe not as good...

Except the fragmentation issue has come up constantly, and is STILL a non-issue, and never will be. The only reason it would be an issue is if people with 5 year old phones feel entitled to every app available even though they know their phone can't use it. Computers have run on different versions of OSes and different processors for years and you don't see the PC industry being crippled by "fragmentation". It's just a neat little buzz word for those who don't like Android to use to make Android sound bad. All that's necessary is a good market application that can suggest based on OS version and benchmarks whether an app will run properly on your phone.

Betaz said,
Except the fragmentation issue has come up constantly, and is STILL a non-issue, and never will be. The only reason it would be an issue is if people with 5 year old phones feel entitled to every app available even though they know their phone can't use it. Computers have run on different versions of OSes and different processors for years and you don't see the PC industry being crippled by "fragmentation". It's just a neat little buzz word for those who don't like Android to use to make Android sound bad. All that's necessary is a good market application that can suggest based on OS version and benchmarks whether an app will run properly on your phone.

It IS an issue, I bought the "latest" Android phone last summer (2009) and I was "stuck" on 1.5 until about February when my provider had to issue an emergency firmware update (because of the 911 issue)...but otherwise I don't think they were planning to update it. (oh I don't have the phone anymore but even before the phone was a year old my provider said it wasn't going to get more software updates...great)

Rudy said,

It IS an issue, I bought the "latest" Android phone last summer (2009) and I was "stuck" on 1.5 until about February when my provider had to issue an emergency firmware update (because of the 911 issue)...but otherwise I don't think they were planning to update it. (oh I don't have the phone anymore but even before the phone was a year old my provider said it wasn't going to get more software updates...great)

So don't buy that manufacturer/provider's phone anymore. Obviously they think it's better for their business to work on other things than keeping previous phones up to date. That's not a fragmentation issue, that's a support issue.

I will give you that Android is still VERY new, so there are a lot of differences from 1.5 to 2.2 where there would be issues with apps having problems working across multiple platforms. That's already gotten better since they've hit 2.x, and will only continue to get better, but again, that's not a fragmentation issue, that's a product in it's infancy going through lots of changes still.

Betaz said,
Except the fragmentation issue has come up constantly, and is STILL a non-issue, and never will be. The only reason it would be an issue is if people with 5 year old phones feel entitled to every app available even though they know their phone can't use it. Computers have run on different versions of OSes and different processors for years and you don't see the PC industry being crippled by "fragmentation". It's just a neat little buzz word for those who don't like Android to use to make Android sound bad. All that's necessary is a good market application that can suggest based on OS version and benchmarks whether an app will run properly on your phone.

How is it a non issue? I own a brand new android device that suffers from it.

Neobond said,
Wow if people would actually read the article, it's all about the user experience and (OS) consistency, not about sales.

Sure, but the title says that Android is failing when the exact opposite is true. It's a sensationalist headline designed to get hits for what is essentially a blog piece. The problem being that Neowin is mainly a news syndication site, so this blog piece is masquerading as genuine news.

I definitely think there's something news worthy in there but the author missed the point and the headline is outrageously deceptive.

Neobond said,
Wow if people would actually read the article, it's all about the user experience and (OS) consistency, not about sales.

I read the article, but it sounded like a Microsoft press release perpetuating Android FUD while exalting WP7.

I dont get it. You tried to write an article without being biased, and ended up being biased.

Your comparing Apples, to Oranges, to Grapes here. Also, you left out key points about Android and how carriers are now locking down devices. The T-Mobile G2 has a root kit that will automatically de-root and reinstall stock Android on the device. Basically making it impossible to fully enjoy the phone. I love Android and have used it since launch (Pre-Ordered a G1) and it is a truly capable OS. Dont be mad at the OS for the neglect its shown from crappy Carriers and Handset makers.

iOS is also a nice OS, and from what Ive seen about WP7 it also looks nice. The one thing I dont like, is Microsoft blackballing Handset Manufactures into using WP7 over Android because of threats of legal action due to BS patent issues.

pjw said,
The one thing I dont like, is Microsoft blackballing Handset Manufactures into using WP7 over Android because of threats of legal action due to BS patent issues.

Blackballing means to exclude or to boycott. I think you mean "coerce".

pjw said,
The one thing I dont like, is Microsoft blackballing Handset Manufactures into using WP7 over Android because of threats of legal action due to BS patent issues.

Totally agree. And the timing is highly suspect too. I think these legal attacks on Android and FOSS are really hurting MS's public image. Clearly they can't compete on a even playing field, so they resort to underhanded tactics, although it's not too surprising really because we're talking about the most evil software company in the world.

A general boycott of Microsoft products is called for I think.

@pjw
While the operating systems are different, it is still mobile. They are ALL meant for mobile devices, so comparing them is just fine.

Windows, Mac OS X and Linux aren't exactly the same, but in the end, they are meant for the same thing... Desktop computing, server operating systems, etc.

Other than the version percentage of android you used no statistics. Add that to your horrible title, and you have a crappy rant blog that should be in that section instead of the news section.

ccoltmanm said,
Other than the version percentage of android you used no statistics. Add that to your horrible title, and you have a crappy rant blog that should be in that section instead of the news section.

Owen made it perfectly clear in the first two sentences that this is his opinion. Do you write in to your local newspaper and demand that they remove the opinion section because it doesn't fit into your narrow definition of news?

jakem1 said,

Owen made it perfectly clear in the first two sentences that this is his opinion. Do you write in to your local newspaper and demand that they remove the opinion section because it doesn't fit into your narrow definition of news?

News has a narrow definition because it is not opinion. We have a blog spot on this website.

Relax dude.

ccoltmanm said,

News has a narrow definition because it is not opinion. We have a blog spot on this website.

Relax dude.

I'm quite relaxed thanks If you have a look at the top of the page you'll see that this article was posted in the editorial section. An opinion piece of this nature clrearly falls in that category.

I have to agree with ccoltmanm. I don't find this frontpage worthy, especially not when all statistics point towards Android outpacing the competition. Sure there are problems with consistency but Google is already looking to lock down certain aspects and it also allows for great improvements to be made. And Windows Phone 7 has failed to impress me.

jakem1 said,

Owen made it perfectly clear in the first two sentences that this is his opinion. Do you write in to your local newspaper and demand that they remove the opinion section because it doesn't fit into your narrow definition of news?

+1. Neowin hosts opinions and editorials all the time. People seem to only question if they should be posted when they disagree with them.

theyarecomingforyou said,
I have to agree with ccoltmanm. I don't find this frontpage worthy, especially not when all statistics point towards Android outpacing the competition. Sure there are problems with consistency but Google is already looking to lock down certain aspects and it also allows for great improvements to be made. And Windows Phone 7 has failed to impress me.

So am i correct to assume that you would totally agree with me if I said nokia was the best cellphone making company of them all? No? Strange, I mean, seeing how they are the biggest and all...

The thing with android is that it is on so many phones now, and the majority of people buying them use it as just a normal phone with twitter not really as a smartphone... So while android is gaining a lot in the cellphone industry, ill give them that, the platform just hasnt grown as a smartphone platform, it's mor like just a phone os by now...

Shadrack said,

+1. Neowin hosts opinions and editorials all the time. People seem to only question if they should be posted when they disagree with them.

+1.
You grumpy people.

LaserWraith said,

+1.
You grumpy people.

+1 Indeed.

Don't like it? Don't read it... Don't get your undies in a bunch just because you are upset people have other opinions than you. You would be just fine with this article if it had the opposite opinion. Weird how that works, huh?

Shadrack said,

+1. Neowin hosts opinions and editorials all the time. People seem to only question if they should be posted when they disagree with them.


When was the last time you saw an editorial which wasn't promoting microsoft and its products?

Microsoft_Bob said,

When was the last time you saw an editorial which wasn't promoting microsoft and its products?
When was the last time you didn't see a news article in general praising Apple with the piece of junk that someone else made a lot better, for a lot cheaper, or a lot more features..?

Oddly, this article comes shortly after we learn that Android is quickly catching up to iOS in market share (iOS is holding steady, while Android gains rapidly).

Nagisan said,
Oddly, this article comes shortly after we learn that Android is quickly catching up to iOS in market share (iOS is holding steady, while Android gains rapidly).

And yet, to quote the title "Android is failing". Hard to agree on that one.

Nagisan said,
Oddly, this article comes shortly after we learn that Android is quickly catching up to iOS in market share (iOS is holding steady, while Android gains rapidly).

Thats what i thought. yesterday there was a news item saying Androids market shares where increasing, but now there is a news item saying its failing over iOS etc... Inconsistency at its best!

XeonBuilder said,

I actually just jumped over to Android with my Samsung Epic and i have to say that I love it. Ive been a windows Mobile user forever and i really like how everything just seems to "work" with Android.

Wish i could say its sucks but it really doesnt. And they have Angry Birds for it too

I have not used any other phone except Android based, so I have no solid comparison, but from what I have seen and heard from iPhone users, the Android phone doesn't seem as bad as it is sometimes made out to be.

Worst case it doesn't have as many games as the iPhone, the only game I have recently seen though that I would like is the Mirror's Edge game, but I doubt EA will ever bother doing that with so many different devices they would need to support.

Fact is Android isn't doing as bad as this article makes it sound like it is.

EDIT: Granted, this is an article based on opinion, fact is according to market share (which could change with W7 phones), Android is doing better than both iOS and the blackberry OS (it is gaining while the iOS only holds steady and the BB OS falls).

Nagisan said,

I have not used any other phone except Android based, so I have no solid comparison, but from what I have seen and heard from iPhone users, the Android phone doesn't seem as bad as it is sometimes made out to be.

Worst case it doesn't have as many games as the iPhone, the only game I have recently seen though that I would like is the Mirror's Edge game, but I doubt EA will ever bother doing that with so many different devices they would need to support.

Fact is Android isn't doing as bad as this article makes it sound like it is.

EDIT: Granted, this is an article based on opinion, fact is according to market share (which could change with W7 phones), Android is doing better than both iOS and the blackberry OS (it is gaining while the iOS only holds steady and the BB OS falls).

I don't think the article says Android is doing bad. It says where it's going with its platform implementation. Righ now it's doing very well but that's only now, we must see tomorrow.

Nagisan said,
Oddly, this article comes shortly after we learn that Android is quickly catching up to iOS in market share (iOS is holding steady, while Android gains rapidly).

All I can say is I am one who recently went from iPhone to Android (Captivate to be specific). For the first month happier than a pig in @#$#. Then, reality set in and the shortcomings of the platfrom brought my use to a halt. I'm back on iPhone and eagerly awaiting WP7, hoping it can be that "one" device that does all I need with ease. If not, iPhone is the closest thing and I'll move up to a 4 from my 3GS.

tomjol said,

And yet, to quote the title "Android is failing". Hard to agree on that one.


Its the power of media.....one thing today and another tomorrow, tomorrow they may say China mobile is taking over

tomjol said,

And yet, to quote the title "Android is failing". Hard to agree on that one.

The OS is on every major service provider. Not everyone want to leave their current service provider to join up with one for an iPhone. They want a smartphone, but they want a fun smartphone (not a BB).

So they go out and buy DROIDs. The question is: will they buy another DROID when their phone is up for an upgrade, or will they be put-off by the whole fragmentation thing and UI mishaps and go try a different platform.

tomjol said,

And yet, to quote the title "Android is failing". Hard to agree on that one.


Yea, well let's say like this, Nokia is actually still the biggest company in the cellphone world, yet they suck

Leonick said,

Yea, well let's say like this, Nokia is actually still the biggest company in the cellphone world, yet they suck

True...but while Nokia's market share is shrinking, Android's is growing remarkably quickly.

Nagisan said,
Oddly, this article comes shortly after we learn that Android is quickly catching up to iOS in market share (iOS is holding steady, while Android gains rapidly).

I think the author knows that and refers to 'android failing' at the fragmentation issue. Android is being successful because is a great alternative to Apple and is available from many hardware vendors and multiple carriers. But if we are going to encounter fragmentation issues with apps that won't run in one phone, but will in other, or won't run in one version of OS, but will in other, etc. at the pace OS and hardware changes very soon there will be many people frustrated. Linux has been free for ages and still hasn't been able to catch up because in part for fragmentation and compatibility issues. This is all inherited from Unix, which was supposed to be some type of standard, but ended up tremendously fragmented with many versions out there, not totally compatible. The success of Windows is because people can use their applications, people can upgrade their OS in older hardware, because you sit at any windows machine and you know how to do stuff. People want change, but they don't want to have to learn, and MS knows from experience how to walk through this fine line, so it is not wise to dismiss the impact they could make in this market.

tomjol said,

True...but while Nokia's market share is shrinking, Android's is growing remarkably quickly.


gonna answer to that with a comment i made further down... mainly it's the second part that's important

"I would claim the fragmentation actually affect us "geeks" a lot more, we know about it and actually care, to the average joe their smartphone is really just their new phone that happens to do twitter too...

In my opinion (you see it says "my opinion"? yea so keep flames away ) android isnt failing, far from, it's a great phone os, as a smartphone, well maybe not as good..."

I have a feeling android will be the biggest out of windows mobile, iOS and android...
But just as in the dumbphone market biggest does not equal best, nokia has been the biggest for long (and no one seem to know why) with well at least most other companies developing far better devices, LG and Samsung are worse than nokia though, their phones usually sukc on both the hardware and software side

Leonick said,

gonna answer to that with a comment i made further down... mainly it's the second part that's important

"I would claim the fragmentation actually affect us "geeks" a lot more, we know about it and actually care, to the average joe their smartphone is really just their new phone that happens to do twitter too...

In my opinion (you see it says "my opinion"? yea so keep flames away ) android isnt failing, far from, it's a great phone os, as a smartphone, well maybe not as good..."

I have a feeling android will be the biggest out of windows mobile, iOS and android...
But just as in the dumbphone market biggest does not equal best, nokia has been the biggest for long (and no one seem to know why) with well at least most other companies developing far better devices, LG and Samsung are worse than nokia though, their phones usually sukc on both the hardware and software side

I agree, at least on the fragmentation issue. It's a common thing, though, for the tech-aware community to see "huge problems" with product X or strategy Y that never come to fruition in the market.

Couldn't tell you exactly how Nokia achieved such a dominant position, but about ten years ago it seemed *everyone* in Europe had a Nokia phone. In the consumer market the 5110, 3210 and 3310 (and their derivatives) were unbelievably successful.

Fragmentation is a non-issue, and Android the fastest growing smart phone. This article is, as stated at the beginning, opinion based on little fact.

Nagisan said,
Oddly, this article comes shortly after we learn that Android is quickly catching up to iOS in market share (iOS is holding steady, while Android gains rapidly).

I do agree with the view this article takes. Right now, I own a Droid X, my first Android phone. It has some very annoying bugs that almost shouldn't exist in a released build. Some of these were introduced with the 2.2 update. Now one of my problems now is: Is it Google or Motorola causing the bugs? I have no idea if half the bugs I am experiencing are Google's fault with the main Android OS or Motorola's fault because they didn't implement or modify it properly?


Also, I can get rid of MotoBlur with LauncherPro, but I still have no idea how stock 2.2 looks like. If I didn't know any better (like most people won't), I would think that MotoBlur is simply part of Android and if I didn't like it, I probably wouldn't buy another Android phone. These customizations offer very different experiences, but they're all being branded as Android.

What a joke. Android is stronger than ever and gaining market everyday. WP7 is a POS condemned to fail.

Fabricated biased news intended to push WP7. How much did Microsoft payed you to pass this as news? Must be an awful lot of money, so you can go and trash your entire credibility.

GayWolf said,
What a joke. Android is stronger than ever and gaining market everyday. WP7 is a POS condemned to fail.

Fabricated biased news intended to push WP7. How much did Microsoft payed you to pass this as news? Must be an awful lot of money, so you can go and trash your entire credibility.


If you look back a few years, Windows Mobile was killed by fragmentation and hence the reboot. As others have pointed out, Android growth is not falling. The opinion piece mentions fragmentation and cites specific Android and Apple examples. 5 years ago you could replace Android with WM and make this same argument about fragmentation.

Android/Google will find themselves in the same boat that Microsoft did with Windows Mobile.

Nagisan said,
Oddly, this article comes shortly after we learn that Android is quickly catching up to iOS in market share (iOS is holding steady, while Android gains rapidly).

Well, is WP7 out yet? I think not.

Nagisan said,
Oddly, this article comes shortly after we learn that Android is quickly catching up to iOS in market share (iOS is holding steady, while Android gains rapidly).
Android will fail eventually though, it's major fragmentation will one day bite it hard in the arse. I love my HTC Desire and Android but some things that I dislike about it is the fact you gotta root the device to get the most out of it and the staggered release of FroYo. Android has potential for sure, but unless it gets it's act together you can watch it slowly fall to the back of the pack when WP7 hits the scene. That is my 2 cents, take with a grain of salt.

Owen Williams said,

Well, is WP7 out yet? I think not.


LOL, why did someone delete my post? My prediction came true. Either you are sabotaging MS or not, I don't know Owen. Fishhy fishy.

Trueblue711 said,

I do agree with the view this article takes. Right now, I own a Droid X, my first Android phone. It has some very annoying bugs that almost shouldn't exist in a released build. Some of these were introduced with the 2.2 update. Now one of my problems now is: Is it Google or Motorola causing the bugs? I have no idea if half the bugs I am experiencing are Google's fault with the main Android OS or Motorola's fault because they didn't implement or modify it properly?


Also, I can get rid of MotoBlur with LauncherPro, but I still have no idea how stock 2.2 looks like. If I didn't know any better (like most people won't), I would think that MotoBlur is simply part of Android and if I didn't like it, I probably wouldn't buy another Android phone. These customizations offer very different experiences, but they're all being branded as Android.


I have stock 2.2 on my Nexus One. The home page, gallery & app display are second to none. The messaging and phone display could use some work. I've also downloaded an HTC clock and weather widget for added cosmetic appeal.

Fragmentation is a non-issue. The vast majority has no clue what it even means or notice anything. Windows Mobile wasn't killed by fragmentation, Windows Mobile was killed by two things:
1. No updates to modernize the core. Microsoft updated the UI every now and then, but WM6.5.3 is still extremely similar to and buggy like WM5 was.
2. Qualcomm MSM7200. Three generations of that junk processor.

Xerxes said,
I love my HTC Desire and Android but some things that I dislike about it is the fact you gotta root the device to get the most out of it [...]

really!? i sooo don't agree with this statement. not chasing with torches, but i HAVE a Desire, and there's NOTHING wrong with it, that NEEDS to be corrected by rooting it. it was great even before froyo.

GayWolf said,
What a joke. Android is stronger than ever and gaining market everyday. WP7 is a POS condemned to fail.

Fabricated biased news intended to push WP7. How much did Microsoft payed you to pass this as news? Must be an awful lot of money, so you can go and trash your entire credibility.


+1
Couldn't have said it better myself lol. This is a microsoft wp7 promoting puff piece. Look at the timing lol xD. WP7 bring nothing new to the table here, except more proprietary junk with a fugly interface. If I were the carries/OEM's I'd tell MS to get lost and continue promoting Android which is a runaway success.

JustinN said,

Agreed, and here's the proof of the pudding: http://www.engadget.com/2010/1...uyers-over-the-last-six-mo/

Both CrApple and Microcrud have seen their glory days. Closed locked down proprietary systems have seen their day. As did Hitler with his Fascism. Nobody wants to live in behind Prison Walled Gardens run by corrupt asinine "Dicktators" telling you can and can't do. It's why Nokia and WinMo Phones are dying. They are stagnant without innovating like Google does. Google is the #1 Brand in the Global Top 100, for good reason. They are never content to sit and rest on their laurels. Change and innovation are the name of the game and nobody does that better than Google!!!

On the hardware side, there again Android is and always will be offered on far more devices than any other mobile OS. WebOS is Linux and is pretty dam Awesome. But suffers from the same problem as CrApple iPwnds. It's one size fits all, like joining the marines to be different and always ending up looking like everybody else. NO TWO ANDROID PHONES LOOK ALIKE. In that way Android is more like the Windows OS that killed CrApple in the 90's with cheaper PC's all the way up to super powered gaming rigs. That's FRAGMENTATION.... and it worked to give Microsoft a 92% to 8% market advantage!

That's what's with Android! .....sorry but this whole story sounds like MicroCrApple sore and fearful losers. Android is projected to own our entire mobile World on more devices and carriers that all the competition combined. That exactly how Microsoft did it to CrApple and it's how Google is castrating the spread of all of these other Operating Systems and Devices!