Windows 8.1 start buttons leaks, looks familiar

Microsoft is expected to include a Start button with the Windows 8.1 update and now we have our first look at the new button and it looks quite familiar to those of you who use Windows 8. 

The button looks exactly like the charms bar Start button, which should come as little surprise, and is located exactly where you would expect it to be. While the button will be nothing more than a gateway to the Modern Start screen, it will likely appease many consumers who had trouble navigating the new platform.

Along with the new Start button, Microsoft is rumored to allow users also swap the Start screen layout for an application list. It is also stated that Microsoft may allow you to have the same background image on the Start screen as your desktop, which should help make the transition to the Start screen much easier on the eyes, which Thurrott is able to confirm with a screenshot at the source link.

When you hover over the new Start button, it will change colors, just like it does on the charms bar. Additionally, the option to boot to desktop is included in Windows 8.1 but it is turned off by default (the Start screen wallpaper is turned off by default as well).

Source: Paul Thurrott

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I'm sorry but this topic made my day I'm sitting at Arby's eating lunch laughing my butt off looking at all the windows fans / Microsoft employees on this topic getting all raged up over a button and a menu lol thank you guys lol

I don't really have any issue with the Start Screen, I've got quite used to launching my apps from there. As a solely desktop user I have no interest in Live Tiles or Metro apps, but a Start Button? Really? I think Microsoft got it completely wrong when they thought people wanted a Start Button. They don't. They want a Start Menu.

I don't see what the point of the button is. I got used to clicking on the left most pixel or pressing the Windows key on my keyboard.

It's called desktop, it is still there, seeing metro for 2 seconds won't kill you, and it seems boot to desktop is an option in 8.1 anyway, you're not going to die because of metro.

You guys just do not get it. If you are not into technology, need to get a new computer because yours died, and all of the sudden the start button is gone, I would think that functionality is no longer available.

Just because it is there as a hot corner does not mean every single person in the world KNOWS that. If you have a button visible for 15 years and now it is not, I can see why people think that feature is now gone.

The start menu is literally the first thing you see when you boot up win8, it is screaming in your face "Here is the place where your icons and shortcuts are!!!" It already automatically puts icons of programs you install,

Once you click Desktop, where do you go? How does general user Joe Somebody supposed to know that the start button still kinda technically exists but in the form of a hot corner? If you are Joe Somebody and know nothing about Windows 8, they would think they can no longer click at the bottom left because the visual cue is gone.

So sick of idiots, the whole win8 whining reminds me we have a culture of lazy idiots.

Metro IS THE START MENU, it is way more functional than the archaic, dynamic and clumsy tree structure that was the old start menu, any highly used program if it already isn't in the Metro menu can be added very quickly and you are literally one click away from using it.

If you want find to a program, file or anything on your pc you literally just type two or 3 letters ANYWHERE in metro and it will find it for you, also much more efficient than the old start menu.

It really seems people are just so opposed to any change that are incapable of adjust to change that is better and more efficient. It's also the cool thing right now to WAY over dramatize anything to do with Microsoft, so we have hoards of android and apple fanboys making sure to over play everything on forums to give the illusion EVERYTHING is just so bad.

It is sad that technology can't progress because of stupid people and people with agenda's.

Edited by swanlee, May 30 2013, 11:51am :

maybe open start screen 1/4. scroll vertical. you don't lose focus of desktop. you don't feel like youre thrown into a different environment.

How can such a basic UI element create such a stir? Okay, if the Desktop went and every developer was forced to create Metro apps then yes I understand many arguments may arise. But for a Start button on the taskbar (that does the same thing as pressing the Start button on a keyboard), come on...

People are stupid and petty and freak out at any change. combine that apple and android fanboys making a stink on purpose all over the internet and you have the reasons why this is being blown out of proportion

Where's the DOS prompt? Microsoft should stop forcing us to use this graphical UI monstrosity. I don't need images. Give me 80 character screen mode, that's all I need! Unless there's a boot to command line setting I won't use this waste of "modern" interface. Who needs scrollbar when I can press PgDn and PgUp faster.
All of you keep saying "Just press the Windows key and start typing". I'm sorry but my superior 1979 IBM mechanical keyboard doesn't have a NON-STANDARD Micro$oft key.
Besides, I don't even have to press any special key, I just need to start typing the beginning of 8 character executable name and press enter.
This is a much faster way then your newfangled dumbed down UI. Microsoft you just lost another customer, good luck finding the dip in your products sold chart.

Simpletons can now begin working on getting MS to include a Charms bar button on the Taskbar, for those who still can't grasp the idea of corner hot spots.

Dot Matrix said,
Start Button never went away.

The conventional start button on the taskbar obviously did, otherwise there wouldn't be anything to bring back.

Holy crap you guys, YES the start button did go away. Just like .Neo said, I cannot see it on my taskbar. It is now a hot corner. Hot corner =/= a visible button.

xWhiplash said,
Holy crap you guys, YES the start button did go away. Just like .Neo said, I cannot see it on my taskbar. It is now a hot corner. Hot corner =/= a visible button.

Does the Charms Bar and hardware key mot count all of a sudden?

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I really hope it goes away by the final release, wasn't this done before in pre releases of Win8? What chance of people got with the learning curve of Windows 8 if they can't grasp clicking a corner, over a button in the corner. My head hurts trying to grasp how this solves anything.

"While the button will be nothing more than a gateway to the Modern Start screen, it will likely appease many consumers who had trouble navigating the new platform."
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Don't count on it.

I'd imagine that is because Start8 based that button off the Win8 charm.

Anyway, the problem for me wasn't the lack of the start button itself, but the Start Screen and always-maximized apps is pretty bad.

Maybe 8.1 will finally make a dent in XP & 7 usage, but I have my doubts. I have a feeling the damage is already done to 8's reputation.

I love people who flame each and get into these absolutely pointless arguments and nitpicking each other based on one's OPINION.

YOU ARE NOT GOING TO MAGICALLY CONVINCE PEOPLE ON THE INTERNET THAT THEIR OPINION IS ASININE AND POINTLESS BECAUSE YOU SAID SO.

I enjoy the old fashioned start menu - see that's my opinion. MY OPINION....

Screenshot looks fake.

1) Where's the watermark on the bottom right side that's usually there for these 8.1 builds?

2) Looks like a screenshot of Windows 8 RTM running Start8.

Studio384 said,
By the way, in other news: Microsoft ($291.91B) is now more worth than Google ($288.08B).

Not sure what that has to do with the article but, yeah, the stock had quite the run over the past 6 months...

I don't want the old menu back. Whenever I use a Win7 PC I find the menu tiny and silly. That's entirely my opinion, though.

xankazo said,
I don't want the old menu back. Whenever I use a Win7 PC I find the menu tiny and silly. That's entirely my opinion, though.

Sorry, the Start Button is the future! Get used to it. ))

I thought all of the people complaining was quite comical at first.

But if this does not function like the "Old Windows" start button then what is the point?
All it will do is bring me back to the metro interface? How useless is that?
Currently all I have to do is push the "Windows Key" on my keyboard and I'm there.
I thought the point of this was to bring back the functionality of the "old" start menu. This is not doing anything close to that.

este said,
I thought all of the people complaining was quite comical at first.

But if this does not function like the "Old Windows" start button then what is the point?
All it will do is bring me back to the metro interface? How useless is that?
Currently all I have to do is push the "Windows Key" on my keyboard and I'm there.
I thought the point of this was to bring back the functionality of the "old" start menu. This is not doing anything close to that.

The code for the Start Menu was ripped out of the codebase and trashed. It's not coming back. It's been stated over and over, that the button was for the Start Screen, and not the old menu.

Dot Matrix said,

The code for the Start Menu was ripped out of the codebase and trashed. It's not coming back. It's been stated over and over, that the button was for the Start Screen, and not the old menu.

no, they never "trash" code... the code still exists, it's just not in the current branch of windows... they could EASILY go back through the source control tree and get it back, you never trash code in source controlled systems

TsarNikky said,
An therein is where MS made a very big mistake. An excellent illustration of corporate arrogance.

Why? Because they're ready to move on? They're ready to advance Windows to the next level?

neufuse said,

no, they never "trash" code... the code still exists, it's just not in the current branch of windows... they could EASILY go back through the source control tree and get it back, you never trash code in source controlled systems

But, they're not going to. Would make no sense to. Technology moves forward, not back.

Sight, this again? Technology cannot move forward if ANY indication of a start menu? THAT is the ONE deciding factor of moving technology forward? "We technology cannot advance because the Start menu is still there".

Get real. I am really tired of these arguments. Technology can advance any way it feels like it while keeping the Start Menu. The Start Menu is not doing anything to technology. Windows should detect if it is on a standard computer or a tablet. If it is on a standard computer, activate the Start Menu.

So computing since Windows 95 NEVER advanced? What do you consider multi-core processors? SSDs? There are no improvements to computing going from Windows 95 all the way to Windows 7? Come on. The Start Menu is not holding technology back.

xWhiplash said,
The Start Menu is not holding technology back.

The desktop only UI doesn't work on today's devices. Start menu, or no start menu, the PC market is in a slump, people aren't buying them anymore. It would be suicide to cater to the mouse only PC market.

Dot Matrix said,

The desktop only UI doesn't work on today's devices. Start menu, or no start menu, the PC market is in a slump, people aren't buying them anymore. It would be suicide to cater to the mouse only PC market.

Yes, but its only people like you that believe that the market has to CATER to only 1 person, 1 type of person, and 1 mindset.

I believe in choice, and realize that you don't, but that's your choice, which again, I believe in.

Tyler R.'s going to like Windows 8 a lot if this screenshot is true. Hope it isn't just a link back to the start screen but an actual menu.

Tyler R. said,
Tyler R.'s going to like Windows 8 a lot if this screenshot is true. Hope it isn't just a link back to the start screen but an actual menu.

There is no Start Menu. It's been said over and over.

What's been said over and over is purely speculation. We're going to have to wait until 8.1 beta (or a leak) to confirm whether the new start menu is a link back to the home screen or a menu.

Tyler R. said,
What's been said over and over is purely speculation. We're going to have to wait until 8.1 beta (or a leak) to confirm whether the new start menu is a link back to the home screen or a menu.

Sources have said over and over there is no menu.

Tyler R. said,
What's been said over and over is purely speculation. We're going to have to wait until 8.1 beta (or a leak) to confirm whether the new start menu is a link back to the home screen or a menu.

The start menu might very well be back in the final version of Windows 8.1, since the feedback they get for this half-baked "start button" is sure to be as negative as the reaction was to having no start button at all in Windows 8.

ugh..... obviously they didn't like my suggestion to continue the invisible hot buttons onto the rests of the UI... all buttons would be invisible until you put your mouse over them, all scrollbars would be similar who needs a frame on items like combo boxes, and list boxes? only show the frame when the mouse is over it..... common MS consistency! people love a good game of hide and seek, and this was the perfect one! hide all the common control interaction elements until you find them with the mouse!

I find it funny that the people who PRAISED the lack of a start button (and criticized the people who wanted it back as an option) are now the ones crying "I hope they have the option to not use the start button".... extremely ironic.

rippleman said,
I find it funny that the people who PRAISED the lack of a start button (and criticized the people who wanted it back as an option) are now the ones crying "I hope they have the option to not use the start button".... extremely ironic.

Hahahaha! Precisely!!!

Studio384 said,
I haven't seen anyone that said that the startbutton will never return, they where all talking about the start menu.

People like Dot Matrix? the irony in his name is he wants progress and change, yet he's stuck on an outdated printing method *snickers to self*

john.smith_2084 said,
Sooo many people said "it will never be back" where are they now

and they're still not bringing back the start menu.

Windows 8, the tablet OS. oh they sure listened... what? you want a start button? ok, how about we make it take you to the modern UI?

Derp!

it looks familiar... because it looks like the Developer Preview of Windows 8 that was released in September of 2011.

vcfan said,
now everyone loves windows 8. well played, microsoft.

Until they click on the start button only to be greeted with the user-hostile metro/tablet garbage.

So basically they moved one of the charms to the taskbar. Why not put all of them on it?

And while they're at it why not make a taskbar that is always visible even in modern apps? For non-touch users, especially those with a large high resolution screen it seems like a must. Having hidden menus is pointless and only makes navigating harder then it needs to be.

Such a taskbar should be optional of course. But as it is, adding the start charm to desktop only, seems like it won't make much of a difference. They need to do something that seriously adresses the issues non-touch users are having.

This is useless and insufficient. We want Start menu not start button to get back to ugly metro UI. I guess, I will continue using Startisback then. Boot to desktop is good option though. I am sure Startisback might be able to more streamlined with that option enabled.

Auditor said,
This is useless and insufficient. We want Start menu not start button to get back to ugly metro UI. I guess, I will continue using Startisback then. Boot to desktop is good option though. I am sure Startisback might be able to more streamlined with that option enabled.

Who is "we"?

Auditor said,
This is useless and insufficient. We want Start menu not start button to get back to ugly metro UI. I guess, I will continue using Startisback then. Boot to desktop is good option though. I am sure Startisback might be able to more streamlined with that option enabled.

I think win8 right now is perfect. Period. there is no need for start button for me. it just works. even if 8.1 ships with one.. I wish it is optional.

The Start Screen works better for both desktop and tablet users.

For desktop users, your target area is easier to hit, and right click>All apps loads everything you have, or you can just start typing the name of the app, and with 3 key strokes + enter already be in your app. On the old Start Menu it can take seconds longer to click through.

On a tablet it just works, and it works great.

If you are constantly using your Start Menu to navigate to apps, then just PIN the icons to the taskbar or start screen, that's what that function is made for.

ilovetech said,

I think win8 right now is perfect. Period. there is no need for start button for me. it just works. even if 8.1 ships with one.. I wish it is optional.

I think you are one of the people that win8 lovers call change haters you know how they call win7 lovers for not wanting metro or want it optional I guess like they say if you don't like win 8.1 you can stay forever in win8 you know windows is evolving and you are just holding it back by not wanting change.
I guess it's one less whiner for the win8.1 lovers./s

Superboy said,

I think you are one of the people that win8 lovers call change haters you know how they call win7 lovers for not wanting metro or want it optional I guess like they say if you don't like win 8.1 you can stay forever in win8 you know windows is evolving and you are just holding it back by not wanting change.
I guess it's one less whiner for the win8.1 lovers./s

hold on, they are not bringing "new" feature but bringing old feature back for the whiners who couldn't adapt to change. I have always appreciated and adapted to change.

ilovetech said,

My context was regarding old start button. it is perfect without it.

Oh, I see. Well, it is supposedly going to be optional. So I think you'll get your wish. No need for you to adapt to this change.

ilovetech said,

hold on, they are not bringing "new" feature but bringing old feature back for the whiners who couldn't adapt to change. I have always appreciated and adapted to change.

but I thought any change is progress + it's not coming back the same so there is change so your point is null

Windows Nashville said,

No, I'm talking about people who use computers for work.

Sorry, but how does the Start Screen interfere with work? Does opening it force quit your apps? Or destroy your data or something? No? Ok, then.

Dot Matrix said,

Who is "we"?

I'm sure Auditor is referring to the millions of retail customers who despise windows 8 for its user-hostile metro/tablet interface.

Dot Matrix said,

Who is "we"?

From the worlds view of windows 8 and its total failure to sell I would say a ton if people millions from the look of it. Remember before you try to throw out numbers that a few million OEM stickers sold to dell and hp does not count as sales . If you like it or not all you have to do is search windows 8 and just about every site other then neowin just about hates windows 8 . I like it but I agree its s total mess and ugly as hell

Adamodeus said,

The millions of people who want it back, maybe?

As opposed to the tens of millions who are perfectly happy with the Start Screen.

Dot Matrix said,

Who is "we"?

"We" - it's me and my dog and million other people who wants to be efficient and productive in their computer work rather than simply playing cut the rope and angry bird.

Auditor said,

"We" - it's me and my dog and million other people who wants to be efficient and productive in their computer work rather than simply playing cut the rope and angry bird.

Hmm. I must be doing something wrong then, because I'm still very productive on my Windows 8 devices, since, you know, they do amazing things other than play games.

"Additionally, the option to boot to desktop is included in Windows 8.1 but it is turned off by default (the Start screen wallpaper is turned off by default as well)."

How to enable it ? Do we know yet ?

este said,
"Additionally, the option to boot to desktop is included in Windows 8.1 but it is turned off by default (the Start screen wallpaper is turned off by default as well)."

How to enable it ? Do we know yet ?

Probably via the Chance PC Settings via er, Settings (on the charms)

Why do we need a start button ? I think by now we all know the start screen is in the bottom-left corner...
If they don't make it an option I'm sticking with Windows 8.0 !

BlueScreenJunky said,
Why do we need a start button ? I think by now we all know the start screen is in the bottom-left corner...
If they don't make it an option I'm sticking with Windows 8.0 !

Why forgo all the other updates in 8.1 if this isnt optional?

BlueScreenJunky said,
Why do we need a start button ? I think by now we all know the start screen is in the bottom-left corner...
If they don't make it an option I'm sticking with Windows 8.0 !

I think you are one of the people that win8 lovers call change haters you know how they call win7 lovers for not wanting metro or want it optional I guess like they say if you don't like win 8.1 you can stay forever in win8 you know windows is evolving and you are just holding it back by not wanting change.
I guess it's one less whiner for the win8.1 lovers./s

This is funny! Microsoft can't take a break, now the people that didn't like the start screen and have the start menu, after getting used to the start screen they don't want a start menu. you really can't please people I tell ya.

Oh, my God! You Luddite! Just get used to it! The start button is the future! Change is always good no matter what it is! You don't need a choice, just follow what I like!

(How does it feel in our shoes?)

Adamodeus said,
Oh, my God! You Luddite! Just get used to it! The start button is the future! Change is always good no matter what it is! You don't need a choice, just follow what I like!

(How does it feel in our shoes?)

Grow up.

Adamodeus said,
Oh, my God! You Luddite! Just get used to it! The start button is the future! Change is always good no matter what it is! You don't need a choice, just follow what I like!

(How does it feel in our shoes?)

Trolls trolling trolls trolling trolls?

It would be nice if you could set it to open that side charm search panel which was previewed here a few weeks ago.

Yeah I think this would eliminate all the winning with the start screen. If someone wants to look for a program or file all they do is click the start menu, the bar comes out and you type as you desire and there is all your information/programs/files.

I suppose you missed the little detail about it being clickable and being the second easiest target to hit on the screen.

Perhaps you need to stop being condescending.
There's a difference between a hot corner and a button. Let's leave it at that!

Raa said,
Perhaps you need to stop being condescending.
There's a difference between a hot corner and a button. Let's leave it at that!

Correct. A hot corner where the cursor sticks (for was it 20 pixels?) is better than a button as a target.

Oh please, they will still find a way to complain. We see it already from the comments here, whining about the color, not translucent enough, whaaa, whaaa, whaaa.

You mean old school like whatever Icon is directly to the right of the Start button space that is an icon that launches something? ::sigh::

MorganX said,
You mean old school like whatever Icon is directly to the right of the Start button space that is an icon that launches something? ::sigh::

Start button functionality is already here. just try clicking at the bottom left. it never had gone. you are comparing apples with oranges.

LUTZIFER said,
So why not just click a damn start button when ya gotta click down there anyways. Derr.
because it looks lot cleaner and nice without one. Also, charms bar already has one

ilovetech said,
because it looks lot cleaner and nice without one. Also, charms bar already has one

Right, and you try doing that with more then one monitor. It's a pain in the ass if your main screen isn't the bottom left most display.

Because clearly millions like it where it was, and want it back there, and Microsoft is listening.

ilovetech said,

Start button functionality is already here. just try clicking at the bottom left. it never had gone. you are comparing apples with oranges.

Subjective, I think it looks nicer on the taskbar. Now what?

ilovetech said,
because it looks lot cleaner and nice without one. Also, charms bar already has one

ilovetech said,
because it looks lot cleaner and nice without one. Also, charms bar already has one

I agree. The extra space and a clean taskbar were nicer.

The Start button was brought back for people who need to have it in their face all the time, so it's hard to forget where it is, or what it does. You know, the lowest common denominator.

thomastmc said,

I agree. The extra space and a clean taskbar were nicer.

No offense but I LOL every time I see someone say this. That extra space on the taskbar, you can't fill, that has an icon right next to it, that you probably never see if the taskbar is hidden, is a nice clean half inch. One of the most idiotic arguments I hear on Neowin. Not calling you an idiot, but that argument is. Just take a step back, and really think about what you're saying.

And since Paul Thurrott has a terrible track record of releasing information, I'm going to go ahead and wait until there's a beta or something out that really validates everything in the way MS is going.

Shyatic said,
And since Paul Thurrott has a terrible track record of releasing information.

Me thinks you don't like Paul personally as if you really watch him on Twit or read his articles, he's right most of the time. For whatever reason I see a lot of hate go his way because he covers Microsoft. I don't see as much hate for those that cover Apple or Google for a living.

Make no mistake, Neowin, many others, and Stardock did it; though in reality it was just a boneheaded idea to remove it at this stage. The button that is, not so sure about the menu ...

Between this, boot to desktop and the idea of unified search on the start screen I might actually be able to get used to the new UI.

Probably still won't use metro apps though .

But if this does not function like the "Old Windows" start button then what is the point?
All it will do is bring me back to the metro interface? How useless is that?
Currently, all I have to do is push the "Windows Key" on my keyboard and I'm there.
I thought the point of this was to bring back the functionality of the "old" start menu. This is not doing anything close to that. Isnt that what everyone was clamoring for?

este said,
But if this does not function like the "Old Windows" start button then what is the point?
All it will do is bring me back to the metro interface? How useless is that?
Currently, all I have to do is push the "Windows Key" on my keyboard and I'm there.
I thought the point of this was to bring back the functionality of the "old" start menu. This is not doing anything close to that. Isnt that what everyone was clamoring for?

A lot of people for some reason seem to assume that the Start Menu is making a comeback as well.

este said,
But if this does not function like the "Old Windows" start button then what is the point?
All it will do is bring me back to the metro interface? How useless is that?
Currently, all I have to do is push the "Windows Key" on my keyboard and I'm there.
I thought the point of this was to bring back the functionality of the "old" start menu. This is not doing anything close to that. Isnt that what everyone was clamoring for?

CSharp. said,

A lot of people for some reason seem to assume that the Start Menu is making a comeback as well.


It's been stated over and over again with these rumors that there was not going to be a menu, not sure why you're clamoring about it now. Windows 8 doesn't need a menu. It would just destroy the intended UX, and waste resources trying to support it.

Dot Matrix said,
It's been stated over and over again with these rumors that there was not going to be a menu, not sure why you're clamoring about it now. Windows 8 doesn't need a menu. It would just destroy the intended UX, and waste resources trying to support it.

So with Windows 8.1 we'll see the return of the Start Menu, yes?

It kind-a looks wrong after using windows 8 for a while...

As shocking as it might sound, I hope it's an option

Same here. The only place I'll enable it is on my Windows Server 2012 install, as it will be useful when I'm remotely logged in and using my finger to navigate - trying to bring up the Charms bar while fullscreen is a pain, as there's a 50/50 chance of it bringing up the charms bar on my local PC.

Jas-n said,
It kind-a looks wrong after using windows 8 for a while...

As shocking as it might sound, I hope it's an option

Agreed. After using Windows 8 it's really unnecessary.

Jas-n said,
It kind-a looks wrong after using windows 8 for a while...

As shocking as it might sound, I hope it's an option

Still don't like Windows 8, but I can agree with you on it being optional. Personally, I'll stick with Classic Shell on the exceedingly rare times I use Windows 8. But I think making it optional reaches out to both groups of users. Excellent suggestion.

Dashel said,
Pretty ironic that when faced with something they would prefer, they suddenly want options.

Hardly ironic when it was only the ignorant users wanting the start button back.

Fred 69 said,

Hardly ironic when it was only the ignorant users wanting the start button back.


Because you don't like a smart button, anybody else that wants it is ignorant? So millions of Windows 7 users and business that will not upgrade are all ignorant? Thanks for the clarification.

Jas-n said,
It kind-a looks wrong after using windows 8 for a while...

As shocking as it might sound, I hope it's an option


I assume it's an option. But I have seen on screenshots that the left sidebar with running apps display that start button (with the text "Start") instead of displaying a preview of the start screen. I do wonder if that will be tied to the same option as the start menu button, so that I have to enable the start menu button both or none of the places.

DarkNet said,

Because you don't like a smart button, anybody else that wants it is ignorant? So millions of Windows 7 users and business that will not upgrade are all ignorant? Thanks for the clarification.

I just want to point out that businesses upgrade at a much slower rate than consumers. I know businesses that are still in the process of upgrading to Windows 7.

But his point is, you can just press in the corner and you get the same effect as having the start button there, hence complaining about the lack of a start button is kind of ignorant. Mind it, we're talking about the start button and NOT the start menu here, those are two different things.

Lamp Post said,

But his point is, you can just press in the corner and you get the same effect as having the start button there, hence complaining about the lack of a start button is kind of ignorant. Mind it, we're talking about the start button and NOT the start menu here, those are two different things.

The only ignorance is assuming everyone should know this. I know a lot of people that unfortunately bought a Windows 8 computer only to be baffled by it. Microsoft would not put it back in to appease the ignorant. That would make them ignorant.

May allow you? Paul has a screenshot of using the same background on the start screen, it's coming. As for the list, it's just the All Apps list instead of the tiles by default.

if its "nothing more than a gateway to the Modern Start screen" then it will appease very few people, and windows 8 will continue to be a flop.

ShareShiz said,

didn't mean it that way.

I was talking about Red, Green, Blue, and Yellow.

What's your problem with white, purple or orange!? That's very intolerant of you...