WP7 developer interest: Different perspectives, one set of data

It's obvious that Windows Phone 7 is trailing iOS and Android in developer interest. We know this because the user base just isn't big enough to allow anyone to really profit from the platform – but that’s most likely going to change with Nokia coming on board, and Microsoft giving the platform a leg up its upcoming Mango update.

A recent survey conducted by the Appcelerator indicates that the relatively new platform has a lot of growing to do before developers consider it a platform with investing into.

Interestingly (but perhaps predictable) is the way that this report was received by the blogosphere. Famed Microsoft blogger Mary Jo Foley discussed the survey results in an article titled "Survey: Microsoft's Windows Phone 7 a distant third in developer interest". She discusses the survey's results, pointing out that WP7 and Blackberry have both shown a fall since the last survey. Engadget, famous for expressive headlines, titled their article "Windows Phone and BlackBerry struggle to attract developer attention". There, a different story was told – indicating that both Microsoft and Blackberry were facing troubled times and 'uphill' battles.

The truth is that this survey doesn't tell us a great deal about how things really are. Less than one third of those asked actually responded to the survey (2760 developers), and the survey's results clearly show that Android and iOS interest has also decreased. However, what the survey does tell us is something that we already knew -- currently Android and iOS are the primary targets for developers -- and with those two operating systems holding almost two thirds of the US market share, this is entirely expected.

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Brody McKee, I want you to add on the article that Appcelerator only support iOS and Android and doesn't support Windows Phone 7.

The result is very misleading since it ask 2760 (iOS and Android) developers what platform they are interested in.

I completely understand what you're saying, but I'm not so sure that it's an important fact. This study was gauging interest, and those iOS and Android developers are the ones that you want to have the interest.

Flawed - post on this site...ilovetrollingandinternetfights.com
You are so "FLAWED" in your thinking that it is painful to read your posts. So I will move on.

Mango is going to be Microsoft's actual "GRAND RE-OPENING" party. Of course WP7 phones have been slow for obvious reasons and needs a boost in offerings. Nokia will be taking that lead it seems. I am waiting to hear from HTC when the HD7S will come out. I like the Sammy Focus but I miss the 4.3" screen. They just need a Sammy Galaxy II S with a WP7 OS


I hope it keeps dropping. I'd rather see actual .NET developers creating WP7 apps than have the market flooded with apps that were spit out by the cross-platform tools.

What does a dwindling developer interest in Windows Mobile 7 say about the future of the platform? A loss of seven percentage points does not bode well for it. I can only conclude that developers have become disenchanted by its poor sales and traction with the public. Despite the colossal advertising budget allocated to it, Mobile 7's 'at a glace' phrase has not resonated with the consumer.

Flawed said,
What does a dwindling developer interest in Windows Mobile 7 say about the future of the platform? A loss of seven percentage points does not bode well for it. I can only conclude that developers have become disenchanted by its poor sales and traction with the public. Despite the colossal advertising budget allocated to it, Mobile 7's 'at a glace' phrase has not resonated with the consumer.

Apparently you have trouble with comprehension of the article (perhaps with comprehension in general). I suggest you get someone to read, and then explain to you, in words you can understand, what the article was stating.

Maybe take a step back and try again?

Thanks for coming out.

r1zzah said,

Apparently you have trouble with comprehension of the article (perhaps with comprehension in general). I suggest you get someone to read, and then explain to you, in words you can understand, what the article was stating.

Maybe take a step back and try again?

Thanks for coming out.

dont feed him, he is the biggest troll on neowin.

simrat said,

dont feed him, he is the biggest troll on neowin.

Yup, his username is an homage to his usual line of thought.

Ok... First things first. Appcelerator doesn't support WP7 so all of the people surveyed are already developing for Android and IOS.

Second, the fact that after six months of being on the market WP7 has almost 30% of confirmed Android and IOS coders "Very Interested" is a story in and of itself.

Third, I would expect this article from Engadget or Gizmodo, but not from Neowin. Mary Jo Foley clearly is a hack journalist who doesn't point out these little details and is obviously a biased reporter. You should not repeat her fanboism and hold yourselves to a higher standard.

Fourth, WP7 has had more apps added to it's store faster than IOS and Android in the initial 6 month period. All of this was done without sockets othern than http and https, native API access, or multitasking. That in and of itself is an accomplishment.

Fifth and last, I'm writing this on my IPad, but do own an HD7 as my daily phone.

Drewidian said,
[...] I would expect this article from Engadget or Gizmodo, but not from Neowin [...]
I'm sorry you feel that way. I thought that by showing an Engadget headline against a Mary Jo Foley headline, I'd shown two ends of the scale. The intent was to show conflicting stories about a data set that doesn't really show much at all.

I use a Trophy... I love it. I think WP7 will be successful - but I try to remain unbiased.

Drewidian said,
Ok... First things first. Appcelerator doesn't support WP7 so all of the people surveyed are already developing for Android and IOS.

Second, the fact that after six months of being on the market WP7 has almost 30% of confirmed Android and IOS coders "Very Interested" is a story in and of itself.

Third, I would expect this article from Engadget or Gizmodo, but not from Neowin. Mary Jo Foley clearly is a hack journalist who doesn't point out these little details and is obviously a biased reporter. You should not repeat her fanboism and hold yourselves to a higher standard.

Fourth, WP7 has had more apps added to it's store faster than IOS and Android in the initial 6 month period. All of this was done without sockets othern than http and https, native API access, or multitasking. That in and of itself is an accomplishment.

Fifth and last, I'm writing this on my IPad, but do own an HD7 as my daily phone.

I don't see how Brody is being biased at all, in fact I can see that he went out of his way to present two conflicting way of analysing the article.

Drewidian said,

Third, I would expect this article from Engadget or Gizmodo, but not from Neowin.

Accept reality. Even Microsoft writers are proclaiming the failure of WM7 and its app store. The cold hard facts don't lie no matter how much you dislike them.

I woudn't be so hard on Mary Jo Foley, she has been reporting on microsoft for decades, and comes out with some interesting facts. Bloggers (with the exception of apples bloggers) tend to focus on negative side as much as possible because that was get their site traffic.

Drewidian said,
Ok... First things first. Appcelerator doesn't support WP7 so all of the people surveyed are already developing for Android and IOS.

Second, the fact that after six months of being on the market WP7 has almost 30% of confirmed Android and IOS coders "Very Interested" is a story in and of itself.

Third, I would expect this article from Engadget or Gizmodo, but not from Neowin. Mary Jo Foley clearly is a hack journalist who doesn't point out these little details and is obviously a biased reporter. You should not repeat her fanboism and hold yourselves to a higher standard.

Fourth, WP7 has had more apps added to it's store faster than IOS and Android in the initial 6 month period. All of this was done without sockets othern than http and https, native API access, or multitasking. That in and of itself is an accomplishment.

Fifth and last, I'm writing this on my IPad, but do own an HD7 as my daily phone.

Agreed; as I've said to WP7 haters - come back 6 months after Mango is released then make the same claims against WP7 with a straight face. Microsoft has compressed 4 years of development into a single year - that is pretty damn good in any persons books.

Deviate_X said,
I woudn't be so hard on Mary Jo Foley, she has been reporting on microsoft for decades, and comes out with some interesting facts.

Yes, but she mentioned that Appcelerator doesn't support WP7, Brody McKee didn't.

day2die said,

Yes, but she mentioned that Appcelerator doesn't support WP7, Brody McKee didn't.
I thought that adding that would make me sound biased... which, again, I was trying very hard to avoid. To be honest, that actually doesn't mean a lot anyway. We don't know if those devs only use Appcelerator, we don't know much at all about them. And at the end of the day, isn't the interest of iOS / Android developers exactly what WP7 needs?

Paul Thurrott on the issue: http://windowsphonesecrets.com/2011/04/27/duh-winning/

micro said,
lol, 15k in 8 months.. Sounds like they are doing just fine to me..

You must not of heard of the fart app padding that Microsoft allowed in the past months. Wasn't there like 5k apps in one month, and they were all the same french comics or something lol. Quality beats quantity any day, and the Windows Mobile marketshare is lacking in both.

Flawed said,

You must not of heard of the fart app padding that Microsoft allowed in the past months. Wasn't there like 5k apps in one month, and they were all the same french comics or something lol. Quality beats quantity any day, and the Windows Mobile marketshare is lacking in both.

If you want to troll, at least use the right name for the product. Windows Mobile is dead, it's called Windows Phone now.

Flawed said,

You must not of heard of the fart app padding that Microsoft allowed in the past months. Wasn't there like 5k apps in one month, and they were all the same french comics or something lol. Quality beats quantity any day, and the Windows Mobile marketshare is lacking in both.

You sure are trying hard to get us to believe what you think of Windows Phone 7. Feel free to try as much as you like. I love my WP7 device and no amount of denialism from people that want me to be just like them is gonna change my mind.

Flawed said,

You must not of heard of the fart app padding that Microsoft allowed in the past months. Wasn't there like 5k apps in one month, and they were all the same french comics or something lol. Quality beats quantity any day, and the Windows Mobile marketshare is lacking in both.

A comic writer was releasing several versions of the app, it was episodic content. That content exists on both iOS and Android as well. They were not fart apps. Next time read beyond the headline. Only 10 of the apps or so were that comic.

There's not a lot of money in Android since it's users are less likely to spend money on applications (and they expect things to be free, like linux). There's a survey to support that which I don't have on hand at the moment.

The situation with WP7 is a bit different since it's closer to the iPhone in actual spending but the market is still too small to attract a lot of developer interest.

The Apple Store is obviously very strong but it's hard to make money in it anymore unless your application gets featured by Apple (or elsewhere) - otherwise it just gets washed away into the sea of mediocrity.

chAos972 said,
There's not a lot of money in Android since it's users are less likely to spend money on applications (and they expect things to be free, like linux).

Developing an Android app is infinitely more profitable than a Windows Mobile one. Android has 300k activations per day, Over 200k apps, over a billion downloads, no development/submission fees (unlike Microsoft), and of course the cross platform benefits of an already huge Java development community. Clearly WM7 is another Kin/Zune in the making, it just hasn't been admitted yet.

Flawed said,

Developing an Android app is infinitely more profitable than a Windows Mobile one. Android has 300k activations per day, Over 200k apps, over a billion downloads, no development/submission fees (unlike Microsoft), and of course the cross platform benefits of an already huge Java development community. Clearly WM7 is another Kin/Zune in the making, it just hasn't been admitted yet.

Zune failure? Zune was never a failure.

Flawed said,

Developing an Android app is infinitely more profitable than a Windows Mobile one. Android has 300k activations per day, Over 200k apps, over a billion downloads, no development/submission fees (unlike Microsoft), and of course the cross platform benefits of an already huge Java development community. Clearly WM7 is another Kin/Zune in the making, it just hasn't been admitted yet.

It's difficult to take your arguments seriously when you don't even know the name of the product your spreading FUD about

jasonon said,
it'll grow as more wp7 handsets sell

very true.. I actually see this as an important step for WP7.. Its got pretty high developer interest for the amout of handsets sold.

jasonon said,
it'll grow as more wp7 handsets sell

Except that they aren't selling. The majority of apps that were added recently to the Windows Mobile marketplace were all fart apps. No rational app developer can depend on Windows Mobile to provide a return.

Flawed said,

Except that they aren't selling. The majority of apps that were added recently to the Windows Mobile marketplace were all fart apps. No rational app developer can depend on Windows Mobile to provide a return.

Hmm... is making around 300 dollars per day is "no rational" for you?

Flawed said,

Except that they aren't selling. The majority of apps that were added recently to the Windows Mobile marketplace were all fart apps. No rational app developer can depend on Windows Mobile to provide a return.

SMH. check first, make stupid comments after.

Flawed said,

Except that they aren't selling. The majority of apps that were added recently to the Windows Mobile marketplace were all fart apps. No rational app developer can depend on Windows Mobile to provide a return.

They arent selling because WP7 STILL isnt on CDMA. So that means very few handsets.

Flawed said,

Except that they aren't selling. The majority of apps that were added recently to the Windows Mobile marketplace were all fart apps. No rational app developer can depend on Windows Mobile to provide a return.

Ohh .. I thought for a sec you were talking about Windows Phone!

Flawed said,

Except that they aren't selling. The majority of apps that were added recently to the Windows Mobile marketplace were all fart apps. No rational app developer can depend on Windows Mobile to provide a return.

Ahhh, it just wouldn't be Neowin without the same shallow thinking from the same user. Nobody pay attention to this guy, he doesn't even know what the phone is.

It's Windows PHONE 7, last I checked.