Rape fears lead women soldiers to suicide, death

[ranasrule]

Rape fears lead women soldiers to suicide, death

NEW YORK ? U.S. female soldiers in Iraq were assaulted or raped by male soldiers in the women?s latrines, and an alarming number committed suicide, Col. Janis Karpinski reportedly testified before an international human rights commission of inquiry last month.

?Because the women were in fear of getting up in the darkness [to go to the latrine], they were not drinking liquids after 3 or 4 in the afternoon,? Karpinski testified, according to a report on Truthout.org. ?In the 100 degree heat, they were dying of dehydration in their sleep.?

Karpinski?s testimony was reported by Margorie Cohn, a professor at Thomas Jefferson School of Law and president-elect of the National Lawyers Guild who writes a weekly column for the website.

Cohn wrote that she presented Karpinski?s testimony at the International Commission of Inquiry on Crimes Against Humanity Committed by the Bush Administration, which convened Jan. 20-22 at Riverside Church.

The latrine for female soldiers at Camp Victory wasn?t located near their barracks, so they had to go outside if they needed to use the bathroom, Karpinski told retired U.S. Army Col. David Hackworth in a September 2004 interview, Cohn reported. ?There were no lights near any of their facilities, so women were doubly easy targets in the dark of the night.? It was there that male soldiers assaulted and raped women soldiers.

Karpinski testified that a surgeon for the coalition?s joint task force said in a briefing that ?women in fear of getting up in the hours of darkness to go out to the port-a-lets or the latrines were not drinking liquids after 3 or 4 in the afternoon, and in 120 degree heat or warmer, because there was no air-conditioning at most of the facilities, they were dying from dehydration in their sleep.?

?And rather than make everybody aware of that ? because that?s shocking, and as a leader if that?s not shocking to you then you?re not much of a leader ? what they told the surgeon to do is don?t brief those details anymore. And don?t say specifically that they?re women. You can provide that in a written report but don?t brief it in the open anymore.?

Karpinski said Maj. Gen. Walter Wojdakowski, the top deputy to Lt. Gen Ricardo Sanchez, the former senior U.S. military commander in Iraq, saw dehydration listed as the cause of death on the death certificate of a female master sergeant in September 2003. Under orders from Sanchez, Wojdakowski directed that the cause of death no longer be listed. The official explanation for this was to protect the women?s privacy rights, she said.

Sanchez?s attitude was: ?The women asked to be here, so now let them take what comes with the territory,? Karpinski quoted him as saying. Karpinski told Cohn that Sanchez, who was her boss, was very sensitive to the political ramifications of everything he did, Cohn reported.

?It was out of control,? Karpinski told a group of students at Thomas Jefferson School of Law last October, according to the Truthout report. Although there was a toll-free number women could use to report sexual assaults, no one had a phone, and no one answered the U.S. number when it was called. Any woman who successfully connected to it would get a recording.

Even after more than 83 incidents were reported during a six-month period in Iraq and Kuwait, the 24-hour rape hot line was still answered by a machine that told callers to leave a message, Karpinski told Cohn.

Karpinski, a brigadier general, was assigned to Iraq in July 2003 to oversee 17 prison facilities including Abu Ghraib. She was demoted to colonel after news broke of the prisoner abuse at Abu Ghraib when the prison was under her command. Karpinski subsequently resigned from the military, and in October she published a book, One Woman?s Army, the Commanding General of Abu Ghraib Tells Her Story, in which she claims the prisoner abuses were carried out under orders from Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld.

The commission in New York heard testimony from Karpinski and others about indefinite detention, rendition for torture, destruction of the environment, attacks on public health and reproductive rights, and actions and inactions leading up to and following Hurricane Katrina, Cohn wrote.

Harry Belafonte, a participant and keynote speaker, said, ?When a government fails to protect justice it is the responsibility of the people to rise up and change the guard, change the regime. Those who fail tposted February 8, 2006harged with patriotic treason.?

posted February 8, 2006

http://www.vermontguardian.com/dailies/022...20806.shtml#top

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Rape fears lead women soldiers to suicide, death

Rape fears lead women soldiers to suicide, death

NEW YORK ? U.S. female soldiers in Iraq were assaulted or raped by male soldiers in the women?s latrines, and an alarming number committed suicide, Col. Janis Karpinski reportedly testified before an international human rights commission of inquiry last month.

?Because the women were in fear of getting up in the darkness [to go to the latrine], they were not drinking liquids after 3 or 4 in the afternoon,? Karpinski testified, according to a report on Truthout.org. ?In the 100 degree heat, they were dying of dehydration in their sleep.?

Karpinski?s testimony was reported by Margorie Cohn, a professor at Thomas Jefferson School of Law and president-elect of the National Lawyers Guild who writes a weekly column for the website.

Cohn wrote that she presented Karpinski?s testimony at the International Commission of Inquiry on Crimes Against Humanity Committed by the Bush Administration, which convened Jan. 20-22 at Riverside Church.

The latrine for female soldiers at Camp Victory wasn?t located near their barracks, so they had to go outside if they needed to use the bathroom, Karpinski told retired U.S. Army Col. David Hackworth in a September 2004 interview, Cohn reported. ?There were no lights near any of their facilities, so women were doubly easy targets in the dark of the night.? It was there that male soldiers assaulted and raped women soldiers.

Karpinski testified that a surgeon for the coalition?s joint task force said in a briefing that ?women in fear of getting up in the hours of darkness to go out to the port-a-lets or the latrines were not drinking liquids after 3 or 4 in the afternoon, and in 120 degree heat or warmer, because there was no air-conditioning at most of the facilities, they were dying from dehydration in their sleep.?

?And rather than make everybody aware of that ? because that?s shocking, and as a leader if that?s not shocking to you then you?re not much of a leader ? what they told the surgeon to do is don?t brief those details anymore. And don?t say specifically that they?re women. You can provide that in a written report but don?t brief it in the open anymore.?

Karpinski said Maj. Gen. Walter Wojdakowski, the top deputy to Lt. Gen Ricardo Sanchez, the former senior U.S. military commander in Iraq, saw dehydration listed as the cause of death on the death certificate of a female master sergeant in September 2003. Under orders from Sanchez, Wojdakowski directed that the cause of death no longer be listed. The official explanation for this was to protect the women?s privacy rights, she said.

Sanchez?s attitude was: ?The women asked to be here, so now let them take what comes with the territory,? Karpinski quoted him as saying. Karpinski told Cohn that Sanchez, who was her boss, was very sensitive to the political ramifications of everything he did, Cohn reported.

?It was out of control,? Karpinski told a group of students at Thomas Jefferson School of Law last October, according to the Truthout report. Although there was a toll-free number women could use to report sexual assaults, no one had a phone, and no one answered the U.S. number when it was called. Any woman who successfully connected to it would get a recording.

Even after more than 83 incidents were reported during a six-month period in Iraq and Kuwait, the 24-hour rape hot line was still answered by a machine that told callers to leave a message, Karpinski told Cohn.

Karpinski, a brigadier general, was assigned to Iraq in July 2003 to oversee 17 prison facilities including Abu Ghraib. She was demoted to colonel after news broke of the prisoner abuse at Abu Ghraib when the prison was under her command. Karpinski subsequently resigned from the military, and in October she published a book, One Woman?s Army, the Commanding General of Abu Ghraib Tells Her Story, in which she claims the prisoner abuses were carried out under orders from Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld.

The commission in New York heard testimony from Karpinski and others about indefinite detention, rendition for torture, destruction of the environment, attacks on public health and reproductive rights, and actions and inactions leading up to and following Hurricane Katrina, Cohn wrote.

Harry Belafonte, a participant and keynote speaker, said, ?When a government fails to protect justice it is the responsibility of the people to rise up and change the guard, change the regime. Those who fail to answer that call should be charged with patriotic treason.?

Source:Vermont Guardian

[mycoolkim]

Whats wrong with this WORLD!

Get a dam Flesh light ffs lol, or go to kings cross and get laid, jesus.

[Thrawn]

No one really cares now do they? See how long this takes to get to mainstream media. We live in a sick society.

[TokyoKiller]

Now you can't blame the soldiers either, with all the stress they do need sex...so the military should provide that somehow.

[leesmithg]

It's wrong.

It's also wrong that females should be on 'front line duty' also.

A war zone is not for women.

[Miuku.]

Now you can't blame the soldiers either, with all the stress they do need sex...so the military should provide that somehow.

Can't blame the soldiers for raping people? What? Am I missing something here?

Guys that rape women should be hung - in public, preferably from their genitalia.

[Budious]

Soldiers were given a qouta of condoms and made aware of STD's and educated about proper sanitation and medical examination after visiting brothels between WWII and Vietnam eras. They promoted abstinence back in WWI and determined that it did not work and did not protect the soldiers. Of course the idea of brothels in Baghdad and Iraq in general wouldn't go over very highly with the local population. Point in general to this topic is that sexually isolated individuals are going to seek out some sort of gratification and it should not be rape, make other arrangements.

Edited March 26, 2007 by Budious

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[Pc_Madness]

Now you can't blame the soldiers either, with all the stress they do need sex...so the military should provide that somehow.

:o Of course! Comfort women! Why hasn't someone thought of that before?!

[Boffa Jones Veteran]

:o Of course! Comfort women! Why hasn't someone thought of that before?!

We should call the new PM of Japan, he says they knew how to get the women to pleasure their men willingly.

[Pc_Madness]

We should call the new PM of Japan, he says they knew how to get the women to pleasure their men willingly.

Yeah but he might hit the Army with patents and licensing and all that crap, it'd just get messy. :\

[Aaron Veteran]

The Dutch have the right idea:

http://www.metro.co.uk/weird/article.html?...mp;in_page_id=2

A mayor in the Netherlands has suggested an innovative way to boost the morale of troops serving overseas. She thinks they should have prostitutes sent with them.

Annemarie Jorritsma, mayor of central Netherlands town Almere, raised the idea on Dutch television.

'There was once the suggestion that a few prostitutes should accompany troops on missions. I think that is something we should talk about,' she said.

'The army must consider ways its soldiers can let off steam,' she added.

The Netherlands have approximately 2,000 soliders currently serving overseas, mostly in Bosnia or Afghanistan. It also has approximately 20,000 to 25,000 prostitutes. That's a theoretical maximum of around twelve prostitutes per soldier.

And the spokesperson for sex workers organisation VER, Andre van Dorst, thought that the idea might not be completely crackers, saying: 'I can see something in this, though it's a very strange idea.'

However, Wim van den Burg, a spokesman for the Dutch soldier's trade union played down the idea, probably quite wisely. 'I don't think my wife would find it a good idea,' he said.

[Boffa Jones Veteran]

The Dutch have the right idea:

http://www.metro.co.uk/weird/article.html?...mp;in_page_id=2

That would be pretty sweet.

[The Gunslinger]

Now you can't blame the soldiers either, with all the stress they do need sex...so the military should provide that somehow.

How can you honestly, in any way, shape or form justify rape...Rape is not the same as sex...!!!... :(

Can't blame the soldiers for raping people? What? Am I missing something here?

Guys that rape women should be hung - in public, preferably from their genitalia.

Couldnt agree with you more...

[The_Decryptor Veteran]

He's not saying they should rape, he's saying they should send over lots and lots of cheap women.

[ranasrule]

Guys that rape women should be hung - in public, preferably from their genitalia.

:yes: :yes: :yes:

[n3wt]

Why can't they just make nice with the locals? Those veils are mysterious and alluring.

[funkymunky]

Why can't they just make nice with the locals? Those veils are mysterious and alluring.

hahaha

There are cases over there, where the local prostitutes are executed for Islamification of the Country.

So I presume it would be a bad idea to have them sent over with the armies

[El Bourricot]

Court martial the ****ers. End of story.

The Dutch know what they're doing though.

[TokyoKiller]

I meant if those men were provided with what they need, then they wouldn't resort to this.

[Fred Derf Veteran]

Canadian women serve in mixed tanks and on mixed submarines. In a professional army you shouldn't even need separate washrooms.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/cdnmilit...dnmilitary.html

[n3wt]

I meant if those men were provided with what they need, then they wouldn't resort to this.

Maybe if those men weren't animals they wouldn't have resorted to it.

[dreamz Veteran]

I meant if those men were provided with what they need, then they wouldn't resort to this.

you could blame the men themselves rather than their circumstances.

[_bobcat_ Veteran]

Canadian women serve in mixed tanks and on mixed submarines. In a professional army you shouldn't even need separate washrooms.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/cdnmilit...dnmilitary.html

you could blame the men themselves rather than their circumstances.

Agreed.

If the circumstances were to blame, there would be an epidemic of rape. I believe these are still isolated cases?