The Pirate Bay to get busted?


  

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  1. 1. Will they get busted this time?

    • Sure, they can't keep it forever
      30
    • No way, the Sweden laws are not of that kind'
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    • I'm not sure
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    • I don't care
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As the calendar pages turned from 2007 to 2008, one constant remained for the motion picture and music industries: The Pirate Bay's willingness to ignore their threats (and copyrights) to the point that the Swedish group's site has become the go-to destination for torrented content on the Internet. But there may be dark clouds looming on the horizon for The Pirate Bay. Swedish prosecutors are close to bringing charges against admins Peter Sunde, Fredrik Neij, and Gottfrid Svartholm.

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In May 2006, Swedish law enforcement officials seized The Pirate Bay's servers and took a couple of the site's operators into custody. They were soon released, and just a couple of days later, the web site for the Swedish national police was taken down by a DDoS attack. But while the raid may have won Sweden some friends from the world of Big Content, it angered many Swedes. They were upset about reports that the Swedish government carried out the raid at the behest of the US government.

In fact, many Swedes are nonchalant about copyright, according to the Wall Street Journal (subscription). A 2006 report showed that 87 percent of all films viewed illegally in Sweden were acquired via P2P networks, rather than via bootlegged physical media (France was second at 62 percent and the figure is just 34 percent in the US), and the Journal describes the country as a "file-sharing free-for-all."

The antipathy towards copyright enforcement extends far beyond the Pirate Party in Sweden. Seven members of the Swedish Parliament from the free-market friendly Moderate Party (which is a member of the governing coalition) recently penned an op-ed piece in a Swedish tabloid (English translation) calling for the complete decriminalization of file-sharing. "Decriminalizing all non-commercial file sharing and forcing the market to adapt is not just the best solution," the MPs wrote. "It's the only solution, unless we want an ever more extensive control of what citizens do on the Internet."

That op-ed had to send shudders up the collective spine of the IFPI, which has its own agenda for copyright reform in Europe, one that involves blocking P2P applications and filtering ISP traffic.

No worries

One group that remains unconcerned in the face of possible prosecution is the administrators of The Pirate Bay. Last November, Peter Sunde told Ars that, should charges come, he's sure of a legal victory. "I'm quite confident we're gonna win and I was expecting this to happen," he said. "[swedish prosecutor H?kan] Roswall is also a very biased man, so I'm glad to take it to court instead of letting him dig around my personal life for no apparent reason. Actually, it's kinda funny."

Time hasn't changed his feelings on the charges, as we checked in with the Sunde. "I'm quite sure we won't be convicted anyhow," Sunde told Ars today. "[if we are], we'll just appeal all the way to the European Union court. So in five years time this might be settled."

Sunde also accused Roswall of having a vendetta against The Pirate Bay. "The prosecutor decided before the raid that he was going to charge us," Sunde said. "He has until the last of January to press charges."

According to Sunde, he and the other potential codefendants just received over 4,000 pages of material related to the investigation from the prosecutors. "He doesn't want us to have enough time to even read through the material. To compare: the second-biggest murder case in Sweden had 1,500 pages of documentation."

Even if the case is successfully prosecuted, there may not be much the Swedish government can do to put a crimp in The Pirate Bay's operations. Since the 2006 seizure of its servers, the group has made a point of decentralizing its operations; the tracker site is mirrored on several servers around the world. So even though a conviction might cost Sunde, Svartholm, and Neij a few kronor, The Pirate Bay is all but certain to keep dishing up links to movies, music, applications, and more. And, thanks to the threat of a high-profile lawsuit, plenty of free advertising.

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The only reason i 'like' The Pirate Bay is their attitude and the fact they are so cocky towards copyright threats, i love that :laugh:

But It's not like they have anything special beside that, you can get your torrent needs fulfilled on about 50 other sites.

I'm a swede myself, and frankly, we don't have any laws to justify a shut down. On the contrary almost, our laws encourage exchange of information. But sure, sometimes in the future perhaps someone will find actual ilegal software on those servers and shut it down. Perhaps the EU force us to take action, but I don't think so, not in the near future anyhow.

But 'The Pirate Bay' sounds a whole lot more awesome than 'Isohunt' or any other torrent-site. :p

Kidding. I think it's good that a last bastion is still standing and not giving in to some corporate bull**** enforcing drm and crippling human rights and digital freedom.

I'm a swede myself, and frankly, we don't have any laws to justify a shut down. On the contrary almost, our laws encourage exchange of information. But sure, sometimes in the future perhaps someone will find actual ilegal software on those servers and shut it down. Perhaps the EU force us to take action, but I don't think so, not in the near future anyhow.

I agree. If anything, the EU will step in and force our politicians to take action.

Hopefully they won't.

Auch it really doesn't matter.

The Law waits rediculous amounts of time till "site x" becomes hugely popular and then tries to do something about it.

However at the same time, 400 other sites are getting their groundings, and if the large said quoted above dies, by logic, a decent % of the upcoming sites take off.

Neverending cycle.

For example, OiNK dies, Waffles/What take off.

Same community, different lick of paint.

I voted that I don't care.

Glad to hear that, but if you don't care why did you come here?

In fact that option it's not here because of that, if people don't care they don't even come here.

Anyway, i don't care too, but i've just posted a news for those which can be interested. ;)

I voted with a hopeful "No". How can TPB get busted for only hosting torrent files? I mean, that's like getting busted just for holding XML files... "Oh, I use AJAX to talk to my buddies back and forth when I'm online. It is kind of like meebo!" The next day, they go after meebo...

Yes, that is how stupid I think this is getting. Laws need to be reevaluated and changed to accommodate these things. There is no illegal thing about having a file that can be used to download illegal things. However, once you actually download the illegal content, THAT IS illegal, and therefore punishable by law. Simply having a torrent file, however, is not illegal. After all, we all have sharp objects in our homes, or can obtain some by breaking glass. Is it illegal to have sharp objects? No. Is it illegal to use that sharp object against someone? Yes (except maybe in self-defense). Just because you have the means to do something illegal, that doesn't make having those means illegal, right?

I voted with a hopeful "No". How can TPB get busted for only hosting torrent files? I mean, that's like getting busted just for holding XML files... "Oh, I use AJAX to talk to my buddies back and forth when I'm online. It is kind of like meebo!" The next day, they go after meebo...

Yes, that is how stupid I think this is getting. Laws need to be reevaluated and changed to accommodate these things. There is no illegal thing about having a file that can be used to download illegal things. However, once you actually download the illegal content, THAT IS illegal, and therefore punishable by law. Simply having a torrent file, however, is not illegal. After all, we all have sharp objects in our homes, or can obtain some by breaking glass. Is it illegal to have sharp objects? No. Is it illegal to use that sharp object against someone? Yes (except maybe in self-defense). Just because you have the means to do something illegal, that doesn't make having those means illegal, right?

Uhhh in simplistic terms maybe, but these torrent sites don't exist to do any legal things.

The knife in your drawer, can be used to cut fruit, cut bread, ect - All of which are legal.

Crysis-Razor1911.torrent , when utilized, cannot do anything legal at all ;)

So yes, the torrent files are harmless until used, but once they are used they are illegal. Your knife is harmless until used, but even when used, can still be legal, unlike these torrents.

The no illegal data hosted is their defence and it's worked well so far for isohunt as well. Otherwise they would have to go after google.

However the issue, as I understand it, is more to do with trackers. Sharing this copyrighted information via torrent is illegal and so is withholding information about a crime. Therefore whilst the torrent its self holds no copyrighted information and the tracker holds no copyrighted information the tracker does hold information about a crime.

There seems to be a knife analogy trend here. So, if you use your knife legally but a friend uses it for something illegal, if you do not report it you are also guilty of a crime.

As such a high-profile site, I think it's only a matter of time before they get shut down. It will almost certainly be at the behest of the United States government, which, in turn, is almost certain to be under pressure from organizations like the RIAA and MPAA to use its influence to crackdown on foreign file-sharing.

That said, The Pirate Bay has done a remarkable job thus far of eluding shutdown thus far, so if anybody could pull it off, it'd be them.

When Suprnova went supernova, at least 20 torrent sites sprang up to takes its place.

If TPB is taken down, the same thing will happen - there'll still be the same groups releasing the media, there'll still be the same people mass uploading it, it wont make any difference.

When TPB was busted last time, it just made the site more popular.

Id recommend people watch 'Steal this movie' if they havent already, it's really informative (Y)

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