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[Matthew_Thepc]

Both of the "bugs" happen in the WDP

[Zimmedon]

Those two bugs have been around for a long time. Also, UI tearing is more noticable on applications that do its own DWM calls (e.g. DwmExtendFrameIntoClientArea) such as Chrome and Firefox.

Button flickering (colors are a bit off):
http://i.imgur.com/XaFku.gif

UI tearing:
http://i.imgur.com/qS22s.png (normal window; barely noticable)
http://i.imgur.com/A1Fwy.png (Explorer)
http://i.imgur.com/ovGzp.png (Chrome)
http://i.imgur.com/3Ly1H.png (Firefox)

[neufuse]

1st one I can't even reproduce in windows 7...

2nd one I've been complaining about since windows vista's beta where DWM was announced... it's always been marked as "by design" by microsoft...... every beta build I'd resubmit it and get it as "by design" all the way from longhorn up to 7's rtm....

[justmike]

There is a much larger bug called the Registry, that's the bug that really needs fixed. Tried running Windows 95 on a new machine under XP? It's crazy fast. MS is and has been going the wrong direction for quite a while now. The extended library situation back in the day, would be a crazy amount faster now because of multiple CPU's, GPU's, and the size of memory. What's in memory now? MS bloat in the name of security. The Windows registry should have been separated, and fully protected from 3rd party programs years ago.

[+BudMan]

Matthew_Thepc, on 29 December 2011 - 20:52, said:

watch really carefully and the X button kind of gets selected and unselected once every few seconds.

You mean here



I left it there a good 30 seconds never saw it flicker, then again why in the world would you hover your mouse there for more than a fraction of second in the first place?

I have never seen this, nor if I did would I more than likely give it a second thought.. Seem pretty nit picky to me

Not showing hover or not working when you click it would be an issue - it flickers "sometimes" if you hover your mouse there long enough -- not so much How do you know its just not a mouse issue, or detection of mouse location problem -- maybe the mouse is right at the border of selection and is moving from on and off the threshold?

[_Heracles]

What about the taskbar becoming invisible?

[+Shikaka]

I get the flicker really badly, never noticed it before, really bad ill try and get a video

[+Shikaka]

[Ambroos]

justmike, on 06 January 2012 - 16:11, said:

There is a much larger bug called the Registry, that's the bug that really needs fixed. Tried running Windows 95 on a new machine under XP? It's crazy fast. MS is and has been going the wrong direction for quite a while now. The extended library situation back in the day, would be a crazy amount faster now because of multiple CPU's, GPU's, and the size of memory. What's in memory now? MS bloat in the name of security. The Windows registry should have been separated, and fully protected from 3rd party programs years ago.

There is nothing wrong with the registry. Stop disabling stuff like UAC and you won't have any issues with the registry, ever.

[Andrew Lyle]

The window button flickering I got last night in windows 7. I would assume that will be fixed in windows 8

[neufuse]

justmike, on 06 January 2012 - 16:11, said:

There is a much larger bug called the Registry, that's the bug that really needs fixed. Tried running Windows 95 on a new machine under XP? It's crazy fast. MS is and has been going the wrong direction for quite a while now. The extended library situation back in the day, would be a crazy amount faster now because of multiple CPU's, GPU's, and the size of memory. What's in memory now? MS bloat in the name of security. The Windows registry should have been separated, and fully protected from 3rd party programs years ago.

for the 10 millionth time the registery is not a problem, whats the alternative? config files? the registry is a transactional database, it can support concurrent usage, changes, and is better with corruption and can self recover from it.... all things a text config file can not do

[DrakeN2k]

I get bug 2 all the time and I have all-ways wondered what caused it.

[neufuse]

BudMan, on 06 January 2012 - 16:22, said:

You mean here

thisisbugquestion.jpg

I left it there a good 30 seconds never saw it flicker, then again why in the world would you hover your mouse there for more than a fraction of second in the first place?

I have never seen this, nor if I did would I more than likely give it a second thought.. Seem pretty nit picky to me

Not showing hover or not working when you click it would be an issue - it flickers "sometimes" if you hover your mouse there long enough -- not so much How do you know its just not a mouse issue, or detection of mouse location problem -- maybe the mouse is right at the border of selection and is moving from on and off the threshold?

these problems only happen when DWM is running in "aero" mode

[Matthew_Thepc]

BudMan, on 06 January 2012 - 16:22, said:

You mean here

thisisbugquestion.jpg

I left it there a good 30 seconds never saw it flicker, then again why in the world would you hover your mouse there for more than a fraction of second in the first place?

I have never seen this, nor if I did would I more than likely give it a second thought.. Seem pretty nit picky to me

Not showing hover or not working when you click it would be an issue - it flickers "sometimes" if you hover your mouse there long enough -- not so much How do you know its just not a mouse issue, or detection of mouse location problem -- maybe the mouse is right at the border of selection and is moving from on and off the threshold?

I'm not saying that I think it's a huge problem (in fact, I use Device Manager daily and have never noticed this), but I was merely admitting it's existence And I know it's not a mouse issue or detection of location problem because (1) my cursor stays in the same place (2) this doesn't happen with any other windows. Try turning on Aero and try it, i think it might only happen in Aero.

[Mr Nom Nom's]

neufuse, on 06 January 2012 - 16:47, said:

for the 10 millionth time the registery is not a problem, whats the alternative? config files? the registry is a transactional database, it can support concurrent usage, changes, and is better with corruption and can self recover from it.... all things a text config file can not do.

Bro, no use explaining the facts to some people. There is nothing wrong with the registry, as you've stated, with the only thing wrong have been third parties abusing the registry (using it as the dumping ground for random sh-t that doesn't need to be in the registry) and Microsoft themselves admitting that they failed to give clear guidelines on how the registry should be used and what shouldn't be put in there.

What I would like to see is for third parties to have better uninstallers and file tracking functionality so that when you uninstall their software it completely removes all the files and registry changes made - that is one thing I'd like to see Microsoft really emphasise when it comes to Windows 8 application certification. To attack the registry as justmike does is simply attacking a symptom rather than the real source of the problem.

In reference to Zimmedon's post - they're just a side affect of GDI's crappiness which can only be fixed by Microsoft moving their Common Control/Dialogue infrastructure from GDI to Direct2D/DirectWrite; don't hold your breath for that to happen given that Microsoft is focused on Metro at the moment.