I wish people would stop using "Metro" to refer to the start screen

[Elliot B.]

And you should still be using Windows XP, by the sound of it.

There is 0 mechanical difference in pressing the Win key and launching a program in 7 and 8. It just looks different.

Windows 8's "Start menu" is fullscreen. HUGE difference.

[BajiRav]

Windows 8's "Start menu" is fullscreen. HUGE difference.

Yeah we noticed it is fullscreen, but what is the problem with that?

[Elliot B.]

Yeah we noticed it is fullscreen, but what is the problem with that?

I, like most people on this forum, multitask.

I have a large monitor and like knowing that in Windows 7, I can have a chat window open in the bottom-right, a movie open on the top-right and can still launch applications from the Start menu without temporarily hiding those windows (therefore, for example, potentially missing an important part of the movie)!

[Noir Angel]

I wouldn't call myself stupid when it comes to computers, yet unless the start screen, and all metro block elements can be removed... I'll be sticking to 7.

I'm hoping that the makers of programs like RT 7 Lite find a way to do it. If Microsoft hard code it into other system DLL's like they did with the CP, it will be impossible to remove.

[BajiRav]

I, like most people on this forum, multitask.

I have a large monitor and like knowing that in Windows 7, I can have a chat window open in the bottom-right, a movie open on the top-right and can still launch applications from the Start menu without temporarily hiding those windows (therefore, for example, potentially missing an important part of the movie)!

So you can look-search-open something from the start menu while simultaneously looking at the opposite side of your "large"(I assume 24+") monitor? That's some feat.

[Wakers]

I also multitask.

The full page start screen is not an issue.

[Noir Angel]

I also multitask.

The full page start screen is not an issue.

Sure, as long as you're happy with an unnecessarily large amount of extra clicks and keypresses. I for one am not.

[Wakers]

Sure, as long as you're happy with an unnecessarily large amount of extra clicks and keypresses. I for one am not.

What extra key presses?

Press Win key > start typing, press enter.

Exactly the same as Win 7.

[oliver182]

I, like most people on this forum, multitask.

I have a large monitor and like knowing that in Windows 7, I can have a chat window open in the bottom-right, a movie open on the top-right and can still launch applications from the Start menu without temporarily hiding those windows (therefore, for example, potentially missing an important part of the movie)!

Riight.. cause your eyes can focus 3 or more things at the SAME TIME, if you open something from the start menu your eyes are focusing JUST the start menu, even if it's just for a second, the same applies for the start screen.. just open, click and boom your done

[Noir Angel]

What extra key presses?

Press Win key > start typing, press enter.

Exactly the same as Win 7.

All I have to do on 7 is pin an app to my taskbar. Which simply means a case of clicking the icon. Because Windows boots into Metro, I'm forced to press extra keys just to dismiss the UI before I can launch any of my pinned apps. And I don't like typing the name of apps in to have to launch them, that's why I have desktop icons and a taskbar with loads of pinned icons. It's just small amounts of extra donkey work that add up.

[Wakers]

That argument makes zero sense.

If you're already on the desktop, you do the same thing.

If you're on the start screen, you click a giant button.

Do you actually have a point?

[Ci7]

I wish people would saying "Metro theme" to refer to the start screen

infuriating :s

Edited May 29, 2012 by Ci7

[Noir Angel]

That argument makes zero sense.

If you're already on the desktop, you do the same thing.

If you're on the start screen, you click a giant button.

Do you actually have a point?

Yes, that's fine but my point was that it doesn't boot to desktop, it boots to RT. It may be a small step, but it still wastes my time to dismiss Metro and go back into my desktop. And I still have also to waste time launching my applications from the RT interface before I can pin them to the superbar or put icons onto the desktop, thanks to their removal of the start menu. It's a bunch of extra hoops that I have to go to in order to get my desktop setup the way I like it after a clean install.

[+LogicalApex MVC]

Massive intrusion :D

I suppose it's a national incident when you spill something on your shirt, too?

I love exaggeration.

Err... Exaggeration how? The severity of an interruption to my workflow can only be ascertained by me. After all, we are talking about my workflow (in the context I was speaking in)...

It might be a non-issue for you, but it isn't a non-issue for me.

[Dashel]

Can you guys seriously not comprehend how jarring (and massively intrusive ;)) a full screen shift is, not even mentioning the hybrid app issues.

Still, can someone keep this OT...

[Dot Matrix]

I, like most people on this forum, multitask.

I have a large monitor and like knowing that in Windows 7, I can have a chat window open in the bottom-right, a movie open on the top-right and can still launch applications from the Start menu without temporarily hiding those windows (therefore, for example, potentially missing an important part of the movie)!

I also multi-task, but the truth is, like any other human being here, I can only truly focus on one area of the screen at a time.

But the truth is the start screen gives you more space to pin the icons and apps that matter to you most. You're no longer limited by how tall your monitor is.

[Dashel]

Yea, but I still use my peripheral vision when accessing the Start Menu currently and its that change that makes the process so jarring. (Expecially if your wallpaper color isn't complementary to your Start color). In fact (and here is a huge one)..with the current system I don't need to look at it in most cases, I am either searching or know the relative apps position/icon well enough without shifting my active focus for more than a nanosecond.

Simply put, the current Start Menu works for me because I rarely have to look at it. So I don't like it when its now all in my face. And if I did have to browse for something, hierarchy does help (which as been harder since Vista). The new All Programs makes little inroads in ease of access for infrequent programs.

Secondly, are you trying to use that as a justification for the inferiority of non-full screen apps?

[Wakers]

Yes, that's fine but my point was that it doesn't boot to desktop, it boots to RT. It may be a small step, but it still wastes my time to dismiss Metro and go back into my desktop. And I still have also to waste time launching my applications from the RT interface before I can pin them to the superbar or put icons onto the desktop, thanks to their removal of the start menu. It's a bunch of extra hoops that I have to go to in order to get my desktop setup the way I like it after a clean install.

Which you have to do once and then never again?

How is that in any way different to anything else you do when installing an OS?

[BajiRav]

Yes, that's fine but my point was that it doesn't boot to desktop, it boots to RT. It may be a small step, but it still wastes my time to dismiss Metro and go back into my desktop. And I still have also to waste time launching my applications from the RT interface before I can pin them to the superbar or put icons onto the desktop, thanks to their removal of the start menu. It's a bunch of extra hoops that I have to go to in order to get my desktop setup the way I like it after a clean install.

It's trivial to set Win8 to boot to desktop (AFAIK, haven't actually tried it). Sure, it's not default but not a deal breaker.

[Dot Matrix]

Yes, that's fine but my point was that it doesn't boot to desktop, it boots to RT. It may be a small step, but it still wastes my time to dismiss Metro and go back into my desktop. And I still have also to waste time launching my applications from the RT interface before I can pin them to the superbar or put icons onto the desktop, thanks to their removal of the start menu. It's a bunch of extra hoops that I have to go to in order to get my desktop setup the way I like it after a clean install.

Why do you have to launch them first? Go to All Programs and pin them from there. It'll take you all of five seconds to go through all your apps and finish.

Heck, you can pin by simply right clicking the tile.

[BajiRav]

Why do you have to launch them first? Go to All Programs and pin them from there. It'll take you all of five seconds to go through all your apps and finish.

but he will have to move his mouse from some place on the start screen to bottom of the screen! That's why metro is bad!!!!@@!!

[firey]

I'm hoping that the makers of programs like RT 7 Lite find a way to do it. If Microsoft hard code it into other system DLL's like they did with the CP, it will be impossible to remove.

At this point, I've stopped caring haha. I know MS won't allow for disabling it, I know this is the direction they want to go. However I will stick with last years model (windows 7) as it does what I want, how I want, and does it as I want.

[APH-Alex]

Whenever people say Metro, I can't help but thinking of metrosexual, and that one south park episode that makes fun of them... Why the word Metro? WHyyyy

[BajiRav]

At this point, I've stopped caring haha. I know MS won't allow for disabling it, I know this is the direction they want to go. However I will stick with last years model (windows 7) as it does what I want, how I want, and does it as I want.

Yet you care enough to often come into Windows 8 related news/threads and repeat I will stay with 7 as if Microsoft doesn't remove metro.

Whenever people say Metro, I can't help but thinking of metrosexual, and that one south park episode that makes fun of them... Why the word Metro? WHyyyy

Microsoft's design team says that the Metro UI is partly inspired by signs commonly found at public transport systems, for instance on the King County Metro transit system

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metro_%28design_language%29

[+LogicalApex MVC]

Yet you care enough to often come into Windows 8 related news/threads and repeat I will stay with 7 as if Microsoft doesn't remove metro.

So the Windows 8 sub-forum and threads should only be used by people who love Metro and can't wait to upgrade? Defeats the purpose of a discussion forum in my view...