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[Captain Peasant]

So, I've been reading about Windows 8 a bit lately and I gotta say, I'm not confident about this version of Windows.

I remember installing the very *first* developer preview version of Win 8 and I was hyped, but after a few days, the hype subsided. I went back to Win 7 and I felt right at home. The Win 8 aftertaste was bizarre and I came away from it confused about why they think that's what I want in an OS.

Now, fast forward to today and I hear that Aero Glass support is completely dropped. I am a huge fan of the Aero glass interface and if I'm to use Win 8, I'm going to have to download a fan made theme that returns the desktop to its former glory. As a desktop user, I feel like the effort to minimalize the OS was brought on by Microsoft's desire to put this desktop on a battery chugging tablet. I feel like I'm getting the ****ty end of the stick. This is not what I wanted. I don't care that it matches your new Metro theme, I think it doesn't match. I think it's fugly. Desktop and tablet do not mix in my opinion.

And this is where I feel like Windows 8 might be a disaster. As a tablet OS, I think it might be a disaster and as a desktop OS, I think it will be a disaster. I think Win 7 is the new XP. People will cling to it until its death... Win 8 will be the new Vista... definitely not in terms of bloat, but in terms of it being totally unwanted.

I do not look at Win 8 as an OS that was built out of desire or request, I look at it as an attempt to enter into the tablet market by piggy backing off their desktop user base. This is pretty undesirable behavior, Microsoft. I appreciate their efforts to make a tablet / desktop hybrid OS, but I feel like the desktop and tablet should have been separate operating systems. Sure, they are fully well entitled to use their OS how they want to, but I'm also fully well entitled to avoid this one like the plague.

Their latest blunder was going with ARM for tablets instead of an x86 CPU... this seems limiting. Intel is obviously not happy with this decision. I'm not happy because it means that there will be incompatibilities between the tablet version and the desktop version. Wasn't Windows 8 supposed to bridge the gap between tablets and desktops? Intel already debuted its x86 mobile CPU and from what I understand, it's good. The device sucked, but the mobile x86 CPU was good. Going with ARM seems like the wrong decision, in my opinion.

Not to mention, the tablet version of Windows 8 will be shutting out browser competition. I only recently got an android phone and being able to install Firefox on there alleviated some stress of having to use that terrible android browser. I am NOT a fan. Not being able to use Firefox on a Windows 8 tablet may make or break me when it comes to deciding on which tablet to buy. Minority or not, I believe this will have some far reaching repercussions. People will tell others not to get a Windows 8 tablet and this will reverberate. This happened with Vista, I don't see why it wouldn't with Windows 8.

Unlike Apple fanboys, Windows fanboys are bold enough to reject certain Microsoft creations. It makes me wonder why Microsoft would even chance something like this.

I'm gearing up to try the Win 8 release candidate when its released so I will hold my final judgement until then... but I would be lying if I said I didn't already have a predisposition based on everything I've been reading lately. It seems like bad news followed by more unexpected bad news.

Thoughts?

-Captain

[contextfree]

Windows RT (ARM) isn't really "the tablet version" of Windows 8. There will be Windows 8 (x86/64) tablets, and there will be Windows RT laptops/netbooks.

[Dot Matrix]

"Not to mention, the tablet version of Windows 8 will be shutting out browser competition."

Huh? Both Chrome and Firefox are coming to Win8 ARM. How is that hurting competition? You won't be using the desktop on ARM anyway, save for Office.

[Stoffel]

It's because people like you that Vista has a bad reputation. Just blindly believing everything people say.
You used the DP for a little bit, went back to Win7 and never tried it again, yet you believe everything they say on the forums.
Use it for a while and you might actually like it, like so many of us.

You will never like it if you keep seeing it as a Tablet OS, with the desktop as an afterthought, which it isn't

[Dot Matrix]

The DP was also a horrible build to use. Download the RC when it's release and base your judgements off that instead.

[Josh the Nerd]

Dot Matrix, on 28 May 2012 - 15:38, said:

"Not to mention, the tablet version of Windows 8 will be shutting out browser competition."

Huh? Both Chrome and Firefox are coming to Win8 ARM. How is that hurting competition? You won't be using the desktop on ARM anyway, save for Office.

To ARM? Do you have a source for that?

[Dot Matrix]

Josh the Nerd, on 28 May 2012 - 16:28, said:

To ARM? Do you have a source for that?

http://www.neowin.ne...ficially-starts

http://www.zdnet.com...tro-chrome/4634

[rfirth]

Dot Matrix, on 28 May 2012 - 16:49, said:

http://www.neowin.ne...ficially-starts

http://www.zdnet.com...tro-chrome/4634

That's true, but perhaps only for Windows 8. For Windows RT, there are a few sticky points at the moment - namely the inability to mark data as executable. It's great for security, but makes it harder to make an efficient JavaScript interpreter.

[Josh the Nerd]

Dot Matrix, on 28 May 2012 - 16:49, said:

http://www.neowin.ne...ficially-starts

http://www.zdnet.com...tro-chrome/4634

Both companies are working on Metro versions, but only for x86. They can't port to ARM because Metro browsers rely on running Win32 code which Windows RT won't allow. http://www.neowin.ne...d-on-windows-rt

[Dot Matrix]

Josh the Nerd, on 28 May 2012 - 17:29, said:

Both companies are working on Metro versions, but only for x86. They can't port to ARM because Metro browsers rely on running Win32 code which Windows RT won't allow. http://www.neowin.ne...d-on-windows-rt

False. Metro apps work on both WinRT and x86. I'm sure Mozilla can come up with something else. That's nothing more than Google crying foul because they can't sink their dirty hands deeper into system processes.

Desktop apps are the ones that need to be recompiled for ARM. But the desktop is only on ARM because of Explorer and Office.

[Javik]

What can I say about it? well in short, I dislike it. I dislike being forced into using Metro, and I dislike the fact that they're apparently going to remove aero. If people find ways to hack those features out and in respectively I may consider using it, but otherwise Windows 8 is a release that I intend to skip, for the first time... ever.

[Ice_Blue]

Gads.

Not another "I love/hate Windows 8" thread.
This is really getting out of hand.

[simplezz]

Dot Matrix, on 28 May 2012 - 15:38, said:

"Not to mention, the tablet version of Windows 8 will be shutting out browser competition."

Huh? Both Chrome and Firefox are coming to Win8 ARM. How is that hurting competition? You won't be using the desktop on ARM anyway, save for Office.

The last I heard, Microsoft was effectively banning JIT compilers via API restrictions and reserving those same API's for IE and Microsoft only. That pretty much eliminates all the popular browsers. I very much doubt these companies are going to completely rewrite and maintain their browsers just for WinRT.

No only does this raise anti-trust concerns, but it degrades the user experience as well.

[Dot Matrix]

simplezz, on 28 May 2012 - 18:00, said:

The last I heard, Microsoft was effectively banning JIT compilers via API restrictions and reserving those same API's for IE and Microsoft only. That pretty much eliminates all the popular browsers. I very much doubt these companies are going to completely rewrite and maintain their browsers just for WinRT.

No only does this raise anti-trust concerns, but it degrades the user experience as well.

There are no anti-trust concerns when WinRT has 0% market share.

[simplezz]

Dot Matrix, on 28 May 2012 - 18:01, said:

There are no anti-trust concerns when WinRT has 0% market share.

It's about Windows and IE, not WinRT. Unless Microsoft is going to call their tablet OS branding WinRT? If it carries the Windows name and contains IE, it's a potential anti-trust concern to regulators.