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[vcfan]

modern apps use mediafoundation not directshow. all the old codecs are directshow. if there are MF codecs then they will work in modern. and btw windows 8 enterprise doesnt include media foundation,so no media apps work

[GP007]

vcfan, on 17 August 2012 - 06:42, said:

modern apps use mediafoundation not directshow. all the old codecs are directshow. if there are MF codecs then they will work in modern. and btw windows 8 enterprise doesnt include media foundation,so no media apps work

Really? Now that's something I didn't expect, you would think Enterprise version would have everything in it the other ones have.

[BajiRav]

vcfan, on 17 August 2012 - 06:42, said:

modern apps use mediafoundation not directshow. all the old codecs are directshow. if there are MF codecs then they will work in modern. and btw windows 8 enterprise doesnt include media foundation,so no media apps work

huh, that seems weird!

[FloatingFatMan]

GP007, on 17 August 2012 - 12:17, said:

Really? Now that's something I didn't expect, you would think Enterprise version would have everything in it the other ones have.

I guess there's no such thing as a media industry!

[Ibrahim Haseel]

Install Codec pack

[GreyWolf]

Ibrahim Haseel, on 17 August 2012 - 14:09, said:

Install Codec pack

Please read the thread first. DirectShow codecs do not work with the Xbox Video app.

[AngelGraves13]

Try LAV Filters.

[Mackster]

Was able to play a mp4 with h.264 stream, high profile 3.1, ac3 5.1 track, in the Metro video player. However, no artwork, no subtitle. If that could work as well, or if someone knows how to make it work without installing third party stuff... then most of my media issues on Windows are solved.

[GP007]

I expect the easy way to get videos to work will be using some custom conversion tool for now. I remember people did/do the same to get mkvs to work with things like the Xbox 360 etc without having to use a 3rd party media server app.

[vcfan]

GP007, on 18 August 2012 - 18:35, said:

I expect the easy way to get videos to work will be using some custom conversion tool for now. I remember people did/do the same to get mkvs to work with things like the Xbox 360 etc without having to use a 3rd party media server app.

nah, they'll be an mkv parser soon enough. not that hard. i would do it if i gave a flying bleep about mkv. just wait for it,the passionate mkv guys will have it for you.

[GP007]

vcfan, on 18 August 2012 - 19:15, said:

nah, they'll be an mkv parser soon enough. not that hard. i would do it if i gave a flying bleep about mkv. just wait for it,the passionate mkv guys will have it for you.

That's interesting, I honestly don't know much about the difference between media foundation compared to the old direct show and if you can even do the same stuff or if you're forced to write your own app (like VLC for example) if you want all that stuff on the winrt side.

[Joni_78]

AngelGraves13, on 17 August 2012 - 14:10, said:

Try LAV Filters.

That won't solve the problem, but I'm amazed everyone here still uses Haali splitter, swap to LAV filters. A lot better than outdated Haali splitter. Head to Doom9 to read more.

[GP007]

Reading a bit more about Media Foundation etc, it seems that all we'd really need is for people to port their directshow filters into Media Foundation Transforms (MFTs). Though again, I dunno if installing these means that the built in Xbox Video/Music apps gain the support or if you'd have to actually write a whole new app.

[+sanke1]

Any update on getting default video player to play mkv files?

[Kasper Hovgaard]

I have often been wondering WHY neither Apple nor Microsoft have ever supported ANY of the open source container formats - not even the most successful ones, such as FLAC and Matroska (MKV) although they have both been around for over 10 years, and become some of the most popular media formats during the last 5 years?

From a simple logical-commercial perspective this makes no sense at all. It would cost them nothing to support these formats, and it would increase the popularity of their hardware devices and software even more... so WHY don't they support it?

The only logical answer I can come up with is commercial interests.

Apple is a patent/rights owner when it comes to Quicktime codecs and containers just like Microsoft owns all licenses to the WMx formats.
We have the same situation with Sony, Canon or Adobe who have all developed their own codecs and media standards. None of these manufacturers support MKV either.
All of these companies also make a gigantic profit from MPEG 2/4 licenses via the MPEG-LA consort.

They make extra money each time a hardware manufacturer or a commercial software producer launches a product capable of playing these particular formats, or whenever a TV broadcaster is de facto forced to support Apple's or Microsoft's media platforms.

On the other hand, they would make no money from Vorbis, FLAC, VP8 or Dirac - or if either MKV and WebM became de facto media delivery or streaming standards.

That is essentially why I seriously doubt that we will ever see native MKV support on any Apple or Microsoft device. They insist that you should use their standards regardless whether there is a better format or not.