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[.Neo]

Enron, on 09 August 2012 - 23:30, said:

Does the iPhone really make sound when setting an alarm? I don't remember mine ever doing that.

From what I remember when I still had my iPod touch, yes. It got stolen unfortunately and the iPad doesn't have a Clock app so I can't check whether it's still the case in iOS 5.

[Boz]

Javik, on 08 August 2012 - 23:54, said:

This thread is like shill central. It amuses me that nobody made the same arguments when Samsung proved that Apple ripped parts of their design from other phones either. In the tech world people always copy ideas from other people, and despite what Apple fans will tell you Apple didn't invent every good idea either, in fact iOS 5 was a work of ripping off Android and Windows Phone.

It's just the way the tech industry works. Get the hell over yourselves already and bitch about something that actually matters.

One of the biggest problems with this trial is not the claim that Samsung copied iPhone. It's the fact that if Apple wins it means their patents are not invalid and will use this trial to go after everyone else. This is the real problem. This is why this judge is constantly giving Apple everything they need to win. She needs Apple to win because it reinforces the patent system.

Samsung losing this by itself is not a big deal. They have already redesigned all their products and the only thing that would happen is that Samsung loses financially 2.5 billion. The consequences of this trial on the whole competition and backing up the fact that Apple really patented basic things will have far more reaching influence on innovation than just this Samsung spat. It would basically give Apple the right to sue everyone who designs minimalistic stuff in regards to tablets and phones with rows of icons and stupid sh** like swipe to unlock.

Apple wins double. They get ammo to continue trolling competition and getting money from Samsung is just a bonus.

This is why Judge Koh is siding with Apple. She's defending this messed up patent system as it is now because if she doesn't it invalidates everything Apple has been paying USPTO and courts for. Naturally, she is also defending an American company over non-American one because Apple's success (no matter how short-sighted it is) makes money for the government. This is really not about justice.

[Denis W]

.Neo, on 09 August 2012 - 23:39, said:

From what I remember when I still had my iPod touch, yes. It got stolen unfortunately and the iPad doesn't have a Clock app so I can't check whether it's still the case in iOS 5.

Pretty sure the Clock app doesn't make any sounds when setting an alarm, from 3.1.2 to 5.x. If it did, it doesn't now.

[.Neo]

Denis W, on 10 August 2012 - 00:01, said:

Pretty sure the Clock app doesn't make any sounds when setting an alarm, from 3.1.2 to 5.x. If it did, it doesn't now.

The scroller to set the time did definitely make ticking sounds... In fact, I just found a similar scroller on my iPad and it produces sound as well.

PS It's the same sound as when you type.

[Denis W]

.Neo, on 10 August 2012 - 00:14, said:

The scroller to set the time did definitely make ticking sounds... In fact, I just found a similar scroller on my iPad and it produces sound as well.

PS It's the same sound as when you type.

Oh, that sound. In that case, yes. I was thinking of a random sound effect after hitting 'Set/Save'.

[Javik]

.Neo, on 09 August 2012 - 23:21, said:

Bitching about the Windows 8 Start screen has been done more than enough.

Sure, but that's a usability change that potentially impacts a hell of a lot of people negatively, very different to people sitting on their soapboxes in "righteous" anger because "my favourite company invented every good idea and those mean competitors are stealing from them". Having more competition impacts customers in a positive way, and it affects them in no way whatsoever if competitors use each other's ideas, if iFans really hate Samsung that much, just don't buy their phones. If people had a shred of common sense they would realise that banning products is REALLY bad for customers.

Boz, on 09 August 2012 - 23:41, said:

This is why Judge Koh is siding with Apple. She's defending this messed up patent system as it is now because if she doesn't it invalidates everything Apple has been paying USPTO and courts for. Naturally, she is also defending an American company over non-American one because Apple's success (no matter how short-sighted it is) makes money for the government. This is really not about justice.

I think it's more simple than that because a lot of other American judges have thrown Apple's claims out. I think she's just taking bungs off of them.

[.Neo]

Javik, on 10 August 2012 - 01:25, said:

Sure, but that's a usability change that potentially impacts a hell of a lot of people negatively, very different to people sitting on their soapboxes in "righteous" anger because "my favourite company invented every good idea and those mean competitors are stealing from them". Having more competition impacts customers in a positive way, and it affects them in no way whatsoever if competitors use each other's ideas, if iFans really hate Samsung that much, just don't buy their phones. If people had a shred of common sense they would realise that banning products is REALLY bad for customers.

Others may say that if you had a shred of common sense you'd realize the Start screen is actually an improvement. Everyone has his/her own viewpoints and can "bitch" about whatever they'd like. It's just best if you find a way to deal with that. Additionally, it's safe to say the "iFans" in generally won't buy Samsung products and the Galaxy Sheep don't buy Apple's.

[+techbeck]

.Neo, on 10 August 2012 - 02:07, said:

Others may say that if you had a shred of common sense you'd realize the Start screen is actually an improvement. Everyone has his/her own viewpoints and can "bitch" about whatever they'd like. It's just best if you find a way to deal with that. Additionally, it's safe to say the "iFans" in generally won't buy Samsung products and the Galaxy Sheep don't buy Apple's.

Oh please. I highly doubt anyone here is a Galaxy Sheep as YOU so put it and the first time I ever even heard that comment. Great about Android is that we can change manufacturers and try other companies and not be locked it to the same look/style. Most people who have used Android for a little while have used other manufacturers other than Samsung. Besides, comparing Apple fans against anyone else is really no comparison. Die hard Apple fans are the worse...and I will add "in my experience" since I am sure someone here will take offense.

I am sticking with the NEXUS devices from here on out as it provides the pure Google experience. Really do not care the manufacturer as long as they make a good device.

[Javik]

.Neo, on 10 August 2012 - 02:07, said:

Others may say that if you had a shred of common sense you'd realize the Start screen is actually an improvement. Everyone has his/her own viewpoints and can "bitch" about whatever they'd like. It's just best if you find a way to deal with that. Additionally, it's safe to say the "iFans" in generally won't buy Samsung products and the Galaxy Sheep don't buy Apple's.

I've owned an iOS device before, never had a Samsung phone. Seems to me Android fans are more capable of being open minded than the apple fans in my experience anyway.

[Astra.Xtreme]

techbeck, on 10 August 2012 - 05:34, said:

Oh please. I highly doubt anyone here is a Galaxy Sheep as YOU so put it and the first time I ever even heard that comment. Great about Android is that we can change manufacturers and try other companies and not be locked it to the same look/style. Most people who have used Android for a little while have used other manufacturers other than Samsung. Besides, comparing Apple fans against anyone else is really no comparison. Die hard Apple fans are the worse...and I will add "in my experience" since I am sure someone here will take offense.

I am sticking with the NEXUS devices from here on out as it provides the pure Google experience. Really do not care the manufacturer as long as they make a good device.

If all Android phones had the same quality as the Nexus line, I think Android would be a lot more appreciated by outsiders. But the garbage UI's and bloatware that OEMs load on every other phone makes it an easy target for torment.

[.Neo]

techbeck, on 10 August 2012 - 05:34, said:

Oh please. I highly doubt anyone here is a Galaxy Sheep as YOU so put it and the first time I ever even heard that comment.

It's okay if people here constantly call Apple users "iFans" or "iSheep" but you're suddenly up in arms when I say "Galaxy Sheep"? You can cry me a river.

techbeck, on 10 August 2012 - 05:34, said:

Great about Android is that we can change manufacturers and try other companies and not be locked it to the same look/style. Most people who have used Android for a little while have used other manufacturers other than Samsung. Besides, comparing Apple fans against anyone else is really no comparison. Die hard Apple fans are the worse...and I will add "in my experience" since I am sure someone here will take offense.

Funny thing about that is many people seem to hate all those custom looks and rather have stock Android. About the rest: Love the display of double standards you uphold.

Javik, on 10 August 2012 - 21:22, said:

I've owned an iOS device before, never had a Samsung phone. Seems to me Android fans are more capable of being open minded than the apple fans in my experience anyway.

Please spare me the nonsense. Even stopped to think not everyone identifies him/herself with the product he/she owns? Guess not. Beyond that people switch brands all the time. Quite frankly this whole debate of which fans are worse is just sad. Everyone who blindly follows and relates to a company like it's a close friend needs a reality check. Whether it involving Apple, Google, Microsoft or something else is irrelevant. They're all just as bad.

[Javik]

So why aren't you saying the same thing to the Apple fans that are sitting here berating Samsung? I think I smell the foul stench of hypocrisy.

[.Neo]

Javik, on 10 August 2012 - 22:00, said:

So why aren't you saying the same thing to the Apple fans that are sitting here berating Samsung? I think I smell the foul stench of hypocrisy.

It seemed like you already more than covered that part. Where were you criticizing the Samsung/Google fans? All I read was "Apple fans" this and "iFans" that. Must be yourself you're smelling...