smartphones Will the iPhone 5 do it for you vs. Lumia 920

[Ice_Blue]

For current iPhone users, will the new phones with Windows Phone 8 OS win you over?

[ctebah]

Why would anyone upgrade to a platform with no guarantee of success in the smartphone market? I just read that the official Paypal app finally became available for Windows Phone. I mean WTF, this is something that's been available for iOS and Android for a long time. And i'm sure Paypal isn't the only example of this.

[Ice_Blue]

Why would anyone upgrade to a platform with no guarantee of success in the smartphone market? I just read that the official Paypal app finally became available for Windows Phone. I mean WTF, this is something that's been available for iOS and Android for a long time. And i'm sure Paypal isn't the only example of this.

Well, by the same token, I'm sure that some WP 8 features aren't available on IOS or Android either.

[myxomatosis]

I bought many many many iOS apps in the last 2-3 years, including some expensive ones (25~30$ per app)? Even if I like Windows Phone, I don?t see me buying a Windows Phone device. I?ll stick with my 4S, and buy a 5S?! in two years.

Hardware doesn?t make a platform better? apps do. And I have too much to lose by buying a Windows Phone/Android device.

[watchthisspace]

For me, yes, WP:8 sure does look tempting as I've had my iphone 4 for almost 2 years. But I am quite keen to try something new and don't feel I'm locked into Apple's Ecosystem.

[Xilo]

I bought many many many iOS apps in the last 2-3 years, including some expensive ones (25~30$ per app)? Even if I like Windows Phone, I don?t see me buying a Windows Phone device. I?ll stick with my 4S, and buy a 5S?! in two years.

Hardware doesn?t make a platform better? apps do. And I have too much to lose by buying a Windows Phone/Android device.

Is it just me or are other people finding they use less and less apps? When I had my 3GS, I had a ton. I'm on Android now but over the years I've culled it down into just must haves.

[Wyn6]

Why would anyone upgrade to a platform with no guarantee of success in the smartphone market? I just read that the official Paypal app finally became available for Windows Phone. I mean WTF, this is something that's been available for iOS and Android for a long time. And i'm sure Paypal isn't the only example of this.

And, how long have iPhone and Android been out compared to Windows Phone? Three and two years, respectively. So, looking at it that way, Pay Pal has arrived 22 months into WP's lifespan. Sounds about right to me.

Not to say it couldn't have arrived earlier. But, considering some devs were taking a wait and see approach, it is what it is.

That being said, if the 920 shows up on Tmo it's mine. If not, I'll have to make the decision between the 820 and an unlocked 920.

[DR3AMxCATCHER]

I'm personally thinking this might be the end of the line for me. I'm really interested in the Lumia 920. I feel like iOS or any type of iPhone that is announced tomorrow will be overshadowed in my mind by the Lumia.

[123456789A]

I actually made the switch from iPhone 3GS to WP7 a little over a year ago. Even though WP7 was and still is largely a platform that's maturing, I think WP8 will be the point where I can easily recommend it to friends, as long as it's a Nokia product. Samsung and HTC just don't have the same level of investment in Windows Phone's success.

Now that WP supports better hardware and the OS is more complete, everyone will fall back to the apps argument. There are over 100,000 apps. 99.9% of them are probably a waste of time (just like any app store) but I'm only missing a handful of apps now. I'm sure the last gaps will be filled in soon.

[SMELTN]

no way would I choose a Windows phone over iOS, but... with I am really on the line about choosing the Galaxy S 3 over the new iPhone 5 if it isn't a huge upgrade from the 4s.

[briangw]

Nope, I'm slated to turn in my iPhone 4S work phone for a Lumia when it comes out. I get to test it since I'm a Windows Server Admin and I prefer all things windows. :)

[KeR]

I have had every version of the iPhone since the release in 2007. After today I'll be able to tell you for sure if I am making the jump to Nokia (I have to see what the iPhone 5 has to offer, mainly I need a bigger screen). The thing is, we still don't know much about Windows Mobile 8 and I need to see reviews of the Nokia 920 before making up my mind.

Another big one, and this may end up being the deal breaker here, but there is so much software for the iOS ecosystem. I mean I have hundreads of dollars worth of apps that I would be losing if I made the switch. Also I have been buying music from the iTunes store since 2003 or so, meaning some of it would be lost for ever as it has DRM, and there is just too much of it for me to sit there and convert it all to non-DRM.

In summary I have become so invested into the iOS ecosystem that it is very hard now to sever the dependency and make to move to another phone. All in all the switch would cost me well into the thousands if you add the apps, hardware (including docks, radios that only take iPhones,...), and the music purchases.

[@Leo]

Well, by the same token, I'm sure that some WP 8 features aren't available on IOS or Android either.

In my eyes, the OS is irrelevant at the end of the day. This feature, that customization - it's negligible, despite what some Android users might say. If I use this skin or the next, mobile phone usage breaks down to two concentrated use cases, while the others are quite minor. First, it's web browsing, and all modern operating systems have sufficient browsers, and applications. This is where the differentiation comes. Apple is by far ahead of the game, in both quantity and quality. Applications are well supported and there are clear UI guidelines which assure consistency across the board.

With Android, while also growing in quantity, quality is still hugely lacking. Up until Android 4.0, there were no UI guidelines by Google, and this meant havoc. Every app looks different to the next; one worse than the other. No consistency. This is still a problem, and since there is such huge fragmentation, it will not go away anytime soon.

With Windows Phone, while there are clear design guidelines, quantity is hilariously lacking. Paypal finally coming to WP marketplace was mentioned earlier - it's a comical symptom of a large problem. The marketshare of Windows Phone is so miniscule that developers tend to stay away. Limiting development environment (C# vs. C/C++ of the other platforms) is also a factor, which has been resolved with WP8.

So yes, maybe the iPhone 5 is not as exciting from hardware standpoint as BBC or whatever would like to claim. But that is irrelevant. Their ecosystem is thriving, and that is why I will remain there until a proper alternative is found.

[Calum Veteran]

It's way too early for me to say, considering that very few of the Windows Phone 8 features have been announced, and the hardware features of the iPhone 5 won't be confirmed by Apple until their event today. I'm waiting until we're informed of what features are included in Windows Phone 8; then I'll make my decision :)

[jorel009]

I have had every version of the iPhone since the release in 2007. After today I'll be able to tell you for sure if I am making the jump to Nokia (I have to see what the iPhone 5 has to offer, mainly I need a bigger screen). The thing is, we still don't know much about Windows Mobile 8 and I need to see reviews of the Nokia 920 before making up my mind.

Another big one, and this may end up being the deal breaker here, but there is so much software for the iOS ecosystem. I mean I have hundreads of dollars worth of apps that I would be losing if I made the switch. Also I have been buying music from the iTunes store since 2003 or so, meaning some of it would be lost for ever as it has DRM, and there is just too much of it for me to sit there and convert it all to non-DRM.

In summary I have become so invested into the iOS ecosystem that it is very hard now to sever the dependency and make to move to another phone. All in all the switch would cost me well into the thousands if you add the apps, hardware (including docks, radios that only take iPhones,...), and the music purchases.

...lol yes because when converting music to non drm, you have to sit there and do each one individually :rolleyes:, i am pretty sure itunes stopped doing drm music a long time ago? your music will work in a windows phone or any other music playing device, so that is not a valid argument, your other reasons are valid though.

In my eyes, the OS is irrelevant at the end of the day. This feature, that customization - it's negligible, despite what some Android users might say. If I use this skin or the next, mobile phone usage breaks down to two concentrated use cases, while the others are quite minor. First, it's web browsing, and all modern operating systems have sufficient browsers, and applications. This is where the differentiation comes. Apple is by far ahead of the game, in both quantity and quality. Applications are well supported and there are clear UI guidelines which assure consistency across the board.

With Android, while also growing in quantity, quality is still hugely lacking. Up until Android 4.0, there were no UI guidelines by Google, and this meant havoc. Every app looks different to the next; one worse than the other. No consistency. This is still a problem, and since there is such huge fragmentation, it will not go away anytime soon.

With Windows Phone, while there are clear design guidelines, quantity is hilariously lacking. Paypal finally coming to WP marketplace was mentioned earlier - it's a comical symptom of a large problem. The marketshare of Windows Phone is so miniscule that developers tend to stay away. Limiting development environment (C# vs. C/C++ of the other platforms) is also a factor, which has been resolved with WP8.

So yes, maybe the iPhone 5 is not as exciting from hardware standpoint as BBC or whatever would like to claim. But that is irrelevant. Their ecosystem is thriving, and that is why I will remain there until a proper alternative is found.

ms will win the app game, they are leveraging the world (windows) in order to push out apps that work all over. i would say that by 2014 they will have the same amount of ios apps; or more.

[shockz]

...lol yes because when converting music to non drm, you have to sit there and do each one individually :rolleyes:, i am pretty sure itunes stopped doing drm music a long time ago? your music will work in a windows phone or any other music playing device, so that is not a valid argument, your other reasons are valid though.

Wrong. Apple did DRM until 2008 I believe... and it's not like it disappears because they don't do it anymore. 800 of my songs are DRM'ed. I'm in the same boat as him. You can pay apple to remove it, but **** that. You can also remove it yourself, but the quality is never as good as the original file. Also show me a free utility that will keep the album art, track info, same folder, and manage not to take 1000 years and then I'll say you're right.

[@Leo]

ms will win the app game, they are leveraging the world (windows) in order to push out apps that work all over. i would say that by 2014 they will have the same amount of ios apps; or more.

And yet, Win 8 Metro apps won't work on WP8... :laugh:

[ILikeTobacco]

For current iPhone users, will the new phones with Windows Phone 8 OS win you over?

Would take a loss in apps I've paid for and use daily. Wouldn't want to have to repay for something I already paid for once, not to mention losing the data I've collected in my medical apps which would be lost if those same apps even exist in the WP8 environment. WP8 doesn't offer anything new that changes anything so no reason to go through the hassle and money lose to make a switch.

[AJerman]

I bought many many many iOS apps in the last 2-3 years, including some expensive ones (25~30$ per app)? Even if I like Windows Phone, I don?t see me buying a Windows Phone device. I?ll stick with my 4S, and buy a 5S?! in two years.

Hardware doesn?t make a platform better? apps do. And I have too much to lose by buying a Windows Phone/Android device.

I disagree. I have a One X, as example, and I quite enjoy my 720p screen, LTE, and NFC. I'd definitely say that makes it better for me over an iPhone in this case which doesn't have any of that. I don't really have a whole lot of apps that I've paid for on either (I had an iPhone 3G and iPhone 4), but I have purchased a couple, including at least one that cost $10 on both iPhone and Android. At least I have my iPad as backup to use any apps I paid for on iOS.

[Josh_LosAltosHills]

if Apple matched the Lumina 920's screen size and not just stretched it one way I might've gotten the 5 to replace my 4s and Gen 1 WP. But they didnt so I'll probably get a 920 or the Samsung phone.

[.Neo]

As far as I'm concerned Apple lost its edge. The iPhone 5 still features the same basic design we've had for the past two years. There isn't a single thing that really stands out to me. The company made the smartphone a bit thinner and a bit taller, but that's basically it. iOS 6 looks equally uninspired: It features the same interface we've been using since 2007, it doesn't seem have many major features I care about and quite frankly it comes across as flat out boring. Overall it's one underwhelming release.

My next phone will most likely be a Nokia Lumia 920.

[Chemaz]

Im actually disappointed with the iphone 5, to me its got no killer standout feature, its a slightly better 4s which is slightly better 4. To me it feels like this wasnt a big release, just a minor update to keep up with android and wp8, no feature to actually take the lead

Might actually switch to nokia 920 or maybe a sammy droid phone. I spent ?150 for the iphone 4 for a ?35 a month 2 yr contract. I dont want to do the same with the iphone 5, as other than a stretched screen, few software enhancements (which i wont use, dont need siri and i have the tomtom app) there is no real difference compared to the 4

[jakem1]

As far as I'm concerned Apple lost its edge. The iPhone 5 still features the same basic design we've had for the past two years. There isn't a single thing that really stands out to me. The company made the smartphone a bit thinner and a bit taller, but that's basically it. iOS 6 looks equally uninspired: It features the same interface we've been using since 2007, it doesn't seem have many major features I care about and quite frankly it comes across as flat out boring. Overall it's one underwhelming release.

My next phone will most likely be a Nokia Lumia 920.

Agreed. Additionally, the Lumia 920 contains numerous innovations that the Apple simply can't match. For instance, in addition to having a higher resolution and a higher PPI, the screen on the Lumia has a higher refresh rate and can be used with gloves on. Of course, none of that stopped Apple claiming that their screen is the world's most advanced display ;)

Despite the fact that it's slightly smaller, the camera in the iPhone basically hasn't changed. Compare that to Nokia's Pureview camera with OIS and it's clear that Apple are falling behind.

The lack of NFC in the iPhone is also surprising and will surely make carriers stop and think before recommending it now that they are hooking up with the banks to offer micropayments.

[KeR]

How thick is the Lumia 920 actually? I just need it to be thinner than the iPhone 4/4S.

[REM2000]

Is it just me or are other people finding they use less and less apps? When I had my 3GS, I had a ton. I'm on Android now but over the years I've culled it down into just must haves.

Im the same, used to have loads and play loads. Now a days i play on my 3DS/Vita and most of the apps are pretty universal, evernote, dropbox etc.. i don't really use any specialist apps anymore.

I pretty much spend my time on Email, SMS, Music, Internet and the apps i mentioned above. Im ready to switch to a new phone.