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Posted 14 September 2012 - 04:52

The President of the US has nothing at all to do with what municipal laws are passed.. but thanks for playing.


Thanks for a rare dose of sanity!


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Posted 14 September 2012 - 05:02

I'd look to know what you are cooking for $5 a person. Can't even buy meat for that price. Oh and if you like Taco Bell (I don't), you can definitely have a meal for $2.

Walmart sells beef for $10-20, and that can more than easily satisfy 3-4 normal sized people. Rice is like what $5? Add in a salad packet for like $3 and you have a meal. So that's a total of $28, split between 4 people that's $7 a person.

Now the Government is telling us what we can drink, how much. Can you order two?

Actually you'll find that fast food sizes in America are a lot larger than the rest of the world. What's considered medium here is like a large / extra large in other parts of the world.

All this law is doing is making the sizes more "normal", they aren't restricting how much soda you can drink in a day. If you want more, there's this thing that America has called free-refills. So if you want 50 ounces of soda in a day, just go refill your cup 3-4 times.

Oh but there's no point trying to get you to think logically since you probably think Obama and his socialist friends are behind this. :rolleyes:

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Walmart sells beef for $10-20, and that can more than easily satisfy 3-4 normal sized people. Rice is like what $5? Add in a salad packet for like $3 and you have a meal. So that's a total of $28, split between 4 people that's $7 a person.


Actually you'll find that fast food sizes in America are a lot larger than the rest of the world. What's considered medium here is like a large / extra large in other parts of the world.

All this law is doing is making the sizes more "normal", they aren't restricting how much soda you can drink in a day. If you want more, there's this thing that America has called free-refills. So if you want 50 ounces of soda in a day, just go refill your cup 3-4 times.

Oh but there's no point trying to get you to think logically since you probably think Obama and his socialist friends are behind this. :rolleyes:


Apparently getting a refill infringes on some peoples rights to have 1 ginormous cup in the first place "im an American and i want it THIS big"

Plus it infringes on their rights not to have to walk 30 feet and do something known as walking or exercise

Dont you know the Black Satan is behind everything :)......

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Posted 14 September 2012 - 05:17

hilarious how you just cant please the average american, no matter what you try to do to help them, they will bang on about their "freedom"

Freedom for those who dont understand it, and it seems a lot of americans dont, is a privilege, not a right
and you have to do your bit to earn it.

NYC board of health is doing somethign proactive, but if that infringes on your twisted understanding of freedom and you would rather keep downing a bucket of soda and 30 different types of cheese on a 20lb hamburger, then go ahead. but if i was a taxpayer and i knew that you banged on in outrage about something this trivial and that is designed to do you actual good, i wouldnt be funding your heart bypass down the track when youre gasping for breath, probably gasping on about your "freedom: and rights"

theres countless nutters on here posting about how much they hate (mostly due to ignorance) "obamacare", and then NYC does something proactive to try and lessen the chances people will need to use healthcare and prolong their lives, and theres nutters now complaining about that.

i mean f%$k me, but are some of you that mental?

turn thy nuclear bombs on thyself and do the world a favour

unbelievable


Sorry, freedom is a right, you don't earn the right to be free... wtf country are you from where freedom is earned.
Do you have to fight to keep freedom on occasion, from people who wish to make freedom a privilege

I am not from the US and I disagree with banning them, it isn't solving anything, people will just order two or get refills

Doing something proactive would be educating people on drinking so much soda/sugar, maybe tell them if you drink this
You'll need to run/walk 20k to burn it off, drinking five of these will add 1 pound of fat to your already fat ass, etc

Education is key, not outlawing, people didn't stop smoking because it was banned, they did it because they know
it was bad for them(plus all the taxes).

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Posted 14 September 2012 - 05:27

Sorry, freedom is a right, you don't earn the right to be free... wtf country are you from where freedom is earned.
Do you have to fight to keep freedom on occasion, from people who wish to make freedom a privilege

I am not from the US and I disagree with banning them, it isn't solving anything, people will just order two or get refills

Doing something proactive would be educating people on drinking so much soda/sugar, maybe tell them if you drink this
You'll need to run/walk 20k to burn it off, drinking five of these will add 1 pound of fat to your already fat ass, etc

Education is key, not outlawing, people didn't stop smoking because it was banned, they did it because they know
it was bad for them(plus all the taxes).


Im from a little place called Australia, and maybe im alone here in my country in thinking that freedom is a privilege not a right. Maybe i also think that way as im a former soldier, but freedom is not inherent, its only available by everyone doing their part. Id hate to think that people think freedom is a right given to you at birth, its a privilege extended to you by the sacrifices of those who came before you, and its extended to you to maintain.

Education hasnt obviously worked. The real issue is that the product is too readily available and the populace has been conditioned over decades via marketing into thinking bigger is better, and better value. Obviously, finally, someone at the NYC board of health has come to the realisation that they cant undo or compete with the marketing and conditioning of decades, so theyve taken what is the only logical step.

For all those banging on about this negatively, you;d hate it in my village, they banned bottled water years ago as people would single use the plastic bottles and throw them away and usually this meant litter. Instead they put in a free village water station and local businesses sell reusable bottles. This had several effects:
1) less litter
2) less plastic landfill
3) people buying less soda (or soft drinks as theyre known here) for 2 reasons:
a) the bottles are made of plastic
b) the water at the the village water station is free, and people like free ****

Number of protests: 0

Locals from the area just bring their resuable bottles when they come into the village

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Posted 14 September 2012 - 05:53

Im from a little place called Australia, and maybe im alone here in my country in thinking that freedom is a privilege not a right. Maybe i also think that way as im a former soldier, but freedom is not inherent, its only available by everyone doing their part. Id hate to think that people think freedom is a right given to you at birth, its a privilege extended to you by the sacrifices of those who came before you, and its extended to you to maintain.

Education hasnt obviously worked. The real issue is that the product is too readily available and the populace has been conditioned over decades via marketing into thinking bigger is better, and better value. Obviously, finally, someone at the NYC board of health has come to the realisation that they cant undo or compete with the marketing and conditioning of decades, so theyve taken what is the only logical step.

For all those banging on about this negatively, you;d hate it in my village, they banned bottled water years ago as people would single use the plastic bottles and throw them away and usually this meant litter. Instead they put in a free village water station and local businesses sell reusable bottles. This had several effects:
1) less litter
2) less plastic landfill
3) people buying less soda (or soft drinks as theyre known here) for 2 reasons:
a) the bottles are made of plastic
b) the water at the the village water station is free, and people like free ****

Number of protests: 0

Locals from the area just bring their resuable bottles when they come into the village


I agree with fighting to protect freedom, and needs to be fought for and protected(You may see that as earned) whenever someone
tries to take it away, it's not a black and white issue.

Education wasn't really tried, they give calorie information without the required information on what that means, and while this information
is available online, a lot of it is conflicting and outright incorrect, you'd be surprised at how many doctors even get it wrong, much of the information
has been tainted by the same marketing you talk about.

Your example isn't really comparable, now if your village elders or whatever you have, decided people can only drink 8 glasses of water a day
Since that is the recommended and NO more, you can probably bet people would be protesting that.

And using your example, will create MORE waste in this situation, with people ordering two/three drinks instead of one
On the positive side, refills probably wont create more waste and they'll have to get off their asses to get it, or make the waiter
exercise more, probably the second one.

I guess we disagree on this, I don't think banning is the correct action, taxing and education in my view are the better choice
What people choose to do with that information is their own choice.

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I agree with fighting to protect freedom, and needs to be fought for and protected(You may see that as earned) whenever someone
tries to take it away, it's not a black and white issue.

Education wasn't really tried, they give calorie information without the required information on what that means, and while this information
is available online, a lot of it is conflicting and outright incorrect, you'd be surprised at how many doctors even get it wrong, much of the information
has been tainted by the same marketing you talk about.

Your example isn't really comparable, now if your village elders or whatever you have, decided people can only drink 8 glasses of water a day
Since that is the recommended and NO more, you can probably bet people would be protesting that.

And using your example, will create MORE waste in this situation, with people ordering two/three drinks instead of one
On the positive side, refills probably wont create more waste and they'll have to get off their asses to get it, or make the waiter
exercise more, probably the second one.

I guess we disagree on this, I don't think banning is the correct action, taxing and education in my view are the better choice
What people choose to do with that information is their own choice.


I take your points on board, but no one is limiting how many serves, just the size of a single server. Theyre trying to recondition peoples minds on serving sizes, nothing more and certainly not worth the nutty "freedom" chants going on in here.

Refills usually just use one cup as far as i know, i dont think you get a new cup each time.

Still think education is next to useless with fast food. Theyve been printing calories on McDonalds etc wrappers and at Pizza Hut here for a few years now...has that made any impact on how many they sell...no, because as i said, decades of marketing and conditioning make that moot. Sure the companies like McDonalds etc whined about it, but half heartedly because they knew they had done the groundwork over decades.

Theres been talk for a few years about taxing fast food here, and i think its inevitable, and as we have obesity issues here too, i think its getting to the point where i think its likely a body, be it government or local authorities, will step in and tax it - its a way to deter people and also provide healthcare for those who will still continue to act against their own health and also to infuse the general public health system. I have no issue with that.

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Posted 14 September 2012 - 06:17

Funny thing is I don't think NY realizes that obesity tends to be linked more to diet soda drinking than regular soda...so by not banning diet soda sizes they actually just made the problem worse lol.

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Posted 14 September 2012 - 13:48

Funny thing is I don't think NY realizes that obesity tends to be linked more to diet soda drinking than regular soda...so by not banning diet soda sizes they actually just made the problem worse lol.

Ya but the people getting the Diet Soda will die of cancer before they need to shell out the money for their medical treatment for being obese..

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Posted 14 September 2012 - 13:58

Ya but the people getting the Diet Soda will die of cancer before they need to shell out the money for their medical treatment for being obese..


cough bull**** cough

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Posted 14 September 2012 - 14:17

It is a "supposed" epidemic. Did you know that the scale, BMI, was devised in 1830? Most people, probably even yourself, would be considered overweight by that scale. The issue isn't the people when it comes to the rising numbers. It's the fact that the scale used to classify people is old and outdated.


Actually, I'm well aware of exactly what the BMI is and its limitations. You only have to look around when you're out and about to see that the overweight/obesity epidemic is real. An epidemic is defined as something that is "extremely prevalent; widespread", which is factually accurate for describing obesity. And I know my own BMI and I am classed as normal weight, so it's best not to make assumptions.

Doing nothing is an option, because there isn't a problem. It wasn't that long ago that being what you consider overweight would have actually been considered healthy.


And it wasn't long ago that doctors were recommending cigarettes but times move on. If you don't believe there's a problem then we're never going to get anywhere; you're clearly not being reasonable.

I'm not opposing change, I'm simply saying there's no reason to, and even if there was, government intervention is not the way to go about it.


So a government has no obligation to protect the health of its citizens? You may believe that but I certainly don't.

Funny thing is I don't think NY realizes that obesity tends to be linked more to diet soda drinking than regular soda...so by not banning diet soda sizes they actually just made the problem worse lol.


I guess I'm missing something. How can something with effectively no calories be contributing to obesity? You would have to drink 105 litres of diet coke to consume the same amount of calories as 1 litre of regular coke. I think you must be referring to the psychology of "diet" products, though that's a whole separate issue and should be tackled through education and public awareness.

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Posted 14 September 2012 - 14:19

I'm glad I don't live in New York. Gotta have those Big Gulps!

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Posted 14 September 2012 - 14:23

Just jack up the tax rate for drinks over a certain size, most people will simply avoid them.


no they wont, coke and pepsi already proved this by moving from a 2 liter bottle to a 1.5 liter bottle for the same price, didn't hurt sales one bit

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Posted 14 September 2012 - 14:34

I don't hate fat people and I do have fast food every so often , i under stand you pay taxes like I, but as more people get diabetes , and requite other help treatments the overall cost to health will rise and rise which will effect me.

I know the soda drink is small , but could you compare it to smoking, damages your health and causes a higher health bill , without second hand smoking part of course.

Except that soda and sugar doesn't cause type I or type II diabetes. Way to discriminate people with a disease you don't even understand the causes of.

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Posted 14 September 2012 - 14:45

Except that soda and sugar doesn't cause type I or type II diabetes. Way to discriminate people with a disease you don't even understand the causes of.


Actually, that's not accurate. While sugar doesn't "cause" diabetes it is a contributing factor.

Myth: Eating too much sugar causes diabetes.
Fact: No, it does not. Type 1 diabetes is caused by genetics and unknown factors that trigger the onset of the disease; type 2 diabetes is caused by genetics and lifestyle factors. Being overweight does increase your risk for developing type 2 diabetes, and a diet high in calories, whether from sugar or from fat, can contribute to weight gain. If you have a history of diabetes in your family, eating a healthy meal plan and regular exercise are recommended to manage your weight.


Source: Diabetes.org



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